Supreme Film Camera Master Yoshihisa Maitani Edition
>Old Thread >>3096459→
>This is a place to post about anything film related. Processing, scanning, developing, gear, etc is all fair game. Let's fill this thread with images so please include an image with your post.
>Have fun! Remember, there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers.
>People looking to get their photos critiqued please include the film, lens and camera used to give some context.
>Any post without an image attached should be ignored because the poster is obviously incompetent.
/film/, amrite guise?
like, photos and shit, right?
Seriously though, why bother?
heavy peepee and gimmicks
>>3099466
"why is this longhaired autist pointing his vintage soviet toycam at me? Couldn't he at least get a real camera like us other girls?"
>>3099484
10/10 it's like you were there
>>3099464
why do you keep reposting this? do you think its good?
>>3099493
don't you talk shit about slavman in the /fgt/
>>3099493
Because you're not the only single sole special snowflake on /p/ I post this for, kid.
>"I already saw this so why do you repost it, ever, at all, huh?"
>>3099500
you're unbanned in discord now btw
Im sorry I ever doubted you
-Ken
>>3099448
Fellas do you think that 50mm f1.8 plastic fantastic, with a 25mm auto extension would be good for film scanning with a Canon 10d?
Whats up friends!
Ordered a bunch of bw developing chemicals and gonna go shoot some hp5 tomorrow.
Have some agfa vista 200 juicy goodness on a little p&s af1 twin. c:
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>>3099537
Have a look on your local gumtree/craiglist/whatever equivalent and see if you can get an older scanner, I managed to get a canoscan 8800F not too long ago for £50. It's not the most modern for sure, but it's a decent scanner for a decent price. (and there's alot less hassle with a flatbed rather than DSLR scanning)
>>3099538
you have to be 18 to use this site
go post on tumblr or something instead
>>3099559
r-rude!
>>3099511
Am I unbanned now now too Kurwa?
>>3099511
Is that still running? I had it before I went away, came back and it was kill.
Hello, since I hate that fake grain that my flatshit scanner puts in my pictures from color negs (only B/W film has silver grain) and fucks up colors with automatic balance I'm trying to build a reproduction system using my abandoned DSLR. I'll use my LCD screen as a diffused white light but I'm not sure how much white it can be, any advices on other white light sources?
>>3099494
He's a drama-starting autist. What's not to like?
>>3099538
>c:
>>3099493
Can't you see it's a clever visual rendition of the allegory of Plato's cave???? plebs man
Why don't we get a only film photography board here on 4chan?
I'm switching to digital soon boys cause cost reasons (going to school fulltime instead of working fulltime), i hate to do it, is it an easy transition?
>>3099623
too niche
>>3099628
I've been through hard times some time ago, I used to expose less rolls and consequently asking myself everytime "do I really want to pay for this picture?". Also used to buy shitty film like kodacolor and Foma, I also delayed the processing until I had some bucks to do that. You know, it depends on what you want from photography. Maybe you could just use your phone and take good pictures as well but in my opinion nope, it won't be an easy transition.
>>3099631
I don't think so, recently I'm seeing many threads about film photography around and sometimes analog posts get confused with digital. It worth a shot.
>>3099634
This is the only thread that's actually film related. Those other threads are compact film camera wankery. Film cameras are extremely easy to procure, once people get them they don't do anything with them. Hence, only one thread about actual film on this board. The infrastructure required to shoot film is very expensive and keeps most people away.
>>3099628
No need to switch 100%. Keep a film camera loaded with nice film for special photos or when you look outside and the light is insanely nice. It may take you a month or two to finish the roll, but if you shot selectively it will be full of bangers.
You'll probably find digital liberating as fuck.
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>>3099636
I know it well, film photography is expensive but for the same price of a shitty Sony a7 you'll get more than a basic Hasselblad kit or a good SLR with an almost complete set of high quality lenses. This thread is compact but for the same reason it can be confusing.
>>3099638
The way I see it digital and film are expensive in different ways. With film it's the upkeep, with digital it's the initial barrier that's quite high. Like you said; you get high end film gear for the price of a budget digital camera.
On a similar note; is film even more expensive than it used to be? Accounting for inflation, I'm not sure it's too far off from what it cost in the 80s and 90s. Some aspects might actually be cheaper.
>>3099640
>is film even more expensive than it used to be?
It's much cheaper today if we're talking US prices. Lots of information you can find by googling. To summarize, film costs have remained relatively stable. So once you factor in inflation, you'll find film is cheaper today.
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Here's a negative preview of a shot I printed. I neglected to scan the print because retarded. Take my word for it: it came out pretty okay.
>>3099656
That's a pretty interesting room to say the least. Where'd you take the photo?
>>3099657
The farm.
>>3099659
What.
>>3099659
I went to the farm and took that photo in the garage that connects to the chicken barn.
Here's the chicken barn, obviously a shittier shot.
>>3099646
>>3099640
It depends, color photography used to cost more than nowadays, black and white instead less.
Example:
I have a photography catalog where are listed all available films with prices related to the formats. I calculated the inflation and that's what I got:
Kodacolor II 135 format 36 exp.:
1979 - 8,50€
2017 - 2,50€
Kodak Tri-X 120 format:
1979 - 3,25€
2017 - 7€
Ilford HP5 and FP4 135 format
1979 - 4,80€
2017 - 6€
>>3099666
>>3099668
Also a high quality E6 Kodak slide film (120 format) used to cost from 19€ to 24€, now you'll get a Provia or a Velvia for less than half of the price. I generally pay 9 euros for a 120 roll of these films.
>>3099677
For the amerifags:
Keep in mind that
P$≈11/10 * P€
>>3099680
>P$≈11/10 * P€
now in english, einstein.
>>3099686
Price in dollars approximately equals to the price in euros multiplied by 1.1
You're welcome retard
lads im bored of digital and i want to get into film. Is minolta x300 a good start for someone who shot film with auto compacts like 20 years ago?
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>>3099448
Link the fucking new thread in the old thread you dumb fgt
Is the Kiev 6C a good choice for babbies first medium format camera?
>>3099845
yes sir pretty much any slr is a good choice
>>3099869
The Kiev 6S is basically a pentacon six copy. Those cameras are generally unreliable, the curtain shutter is big and this will cause lots of problems in the years to come. If you're lucky enough you'll take one for a fair price and it won't need CLA.
Welp, it's been almost shit, 3 months?
Time for a ferrania shitpost!
So far, only 2 "dispatches" have been released, lemmie sum them up here.
SCALING UP Pt 1 & 2
> Since day one we've been thinking of scaling up production.
> However, we still haven't.
> We know you want our garbage film, so we can only make limited amounts.
> So far, we shipped some film. But we see some scratches as a result from our shit machinery so we decide not to release those rolls. Which is probably 90% of our production.
>/ me smells a cover-up of lies going on.
> We've "resumed" making film. But we still won't ship anymore yet.
So basically, you folks still can't produce film properly? What about you're "scaling up" proclamation? Shouldn't you have scaled up yet?
QUIET MEANS BUSY
> We've gotten emails from concerned customers.
> They've JUST NOW FUCKING REALIZED they still haven't gotten film after ~3 months.
> We aren't making much film, if any at all, to ensure quality and serve you better. No film is for the better.
> Go on lengthy explanation for people who can't figure out the brief sentences, and probably won't get the explanation either.
> We're shipping film as we make it, so maybe one or two rolls per week. Our production rate also is increasing by about .01 roll per week, but we assure you it is increasing.
> We are disappointed we aren't growing any faster, and we probably aren't doing much about it either.
> YA'LL FAGGOTS PRE-ORDERED, AND NOT TRULY ORDERED, SO YOU GET FILM WHEN WE SAY YOU CAN!
> Kickstarters, we still care about you. Not a lot, probably little at all, but we still do.
Glad I wasn't a pre-oderer or a kickstarter.
I could get a better deal with some expired ilford.
If you're one of the lucky ones who actually got some ferrania film, please do reply.
>>3099901
Italian here, I'm really suspicious about Ferrania.
A guy I know run some tests on that film, they say it's a 80 ASA panchromatic film, but it's really a 12-20 ASA orthochromatic film.
Exposed at 50 ASA will give the best results.
Oh, they even recycled old film cartridges putting a Ferrania sticker on them.
I don't know how far they'll go, they're not trustworthy and their film is damn expensive.
Quality is good if properly exposed btw
>>3099906
Damn, first time I've had an admitted Italian respond.
Either way, I can see them reusing cartridges. The have no sheet metal working tools, nor have they said anything about.
Now those specs. Mmmmhh yeeeessss.
Sounds more like it.
Thanks for the reply.
>>3099917
It's the more expensive black and white film, even more than Fuji Acros 100. They should at least buy new cartridges, come on, a single one costs less than 20 cents.
Someone else asked this question in the old thread and I was also curious about an answer, but looks like it was overlooked.
>on your traditional 35mm camera, changing the iso will only fuck with your light meter, right? It doesnt change anything about how the camera actually operates unless it has auto shutter speed or apeture or whatever, right?
>>3099931
Correct.
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>>3099974
>So someone just deleted the post with the /p/ discord server invite link
And nothing of value was lost.
Where do you Britfags buy film online? I would just get what I want off Amazon but I'm scared it will be expired or something
What are some good film photography youtubers?
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>>3099999
Nice pants, picture is insignificant.
>>3099994
Eduardo Pavez is my favorite at the moment
Has any one else tried shooting Fuji instax wide through their 4x5 camera. I made a little insert/holder for a standard film holder and it ends up working great, insanely more detailed photos than using it through a instax camera. Definitely going to shoot a lot of this, really wish there was still proper 4x5 instant film. I'll post some scans.
>>3099975
Well I was in there at one point so it wasn't entirely valueless.
>>3099845
get x570 instead, more features and easier to operate
or look into pentax in particular the k1000, spotmatic, km
>>3100027
>k1000
Mine broke and costs 70 quid to repair. Seriously considering it because of how fucking hot that camera is
>>3099920
Double X is still more expensive, if I'm not entirely mistaken. Not worth it either, and jacks your fixer up. StreetPan falls somewhere in between.
For weird small-company film, might I recommend Bergger's Pancro 400 instead? It's supposedly fair quality, though I had some problems with their very last run of BRF400+ (repackaged Orwo N74+) getting some light leaks in frames 0, 1, and 2 due to leader retrieval.
But like, JCH of all people has his boutique film these days. Ferrania the Second is trying to operate a factory on clapped-out old machinery; I'm honestly surprised they've got this far.
Who makes these weird films, anyway? I don't think Maco have a factory; rather theirs is coated at Agfa Gevaert, and Bergger's stuff comes from either Belgium or Germany.
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>>3100071
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>>3100075
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>>3100062
Maco is indeed Agfa Gavaert. Bergger comes from Belgium.
Love Bergger, btw. Expensive but somehow different, to my limited experience.
I got two rolls of JCH's Streetpan last week and I'm holding onto them for a while. Any special recommendation on how to shoot them?
New to this part of 4chan, nice to see the discussions!
>>3100104
b-but Agfa Vista 200 film is repackaged Fuji c200
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>>3100113
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>>3100114
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>>3100115
last and comfiest doggo.
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What's the best way to fix a light leak?
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>>3100124
By sealing your camera film door with light sealing foam.
>>3100124
find out what's leaking, and fix it? usually replacing foam seals everywhere.
Small inside news, Kodak wants to revive Kodachrome and it will be available again in Nov 2018.
>>3099668
I buy tri-x for $4, but when I buy it in bulk it usually averages around 3.
so I guess lucky me! same price as it was in europe in the 80s.
Got my first two rolls of film i ever shot back. two rolls of triX, one shot at box speed and the other pushed two stops. i liked the normal roll better.
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picked up this big boy, just need to find some time to get printing
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>>3100165
nutbutton.jpg
>>3100166
where do you buy from in bulk? everywhere I look at seems that it's not worth getting tri-x in bulk but maybe im bad at math.
>>3100166
27 count Superior premium is the way to go.
>>3100165
I heard the same, but that it would be on the market in late 2017.
>>3100216
Kodak's films aren't worth getting in bulk, unless you must for some reason load a 200 exposure reel in a dark room. Ilford's films are barely worth it. It's only films like the RPX triplet and Fomapan stuff that get below 3€/roll. And then you'd probably like to pay off your bulk loader first, those things can cost like a hundred on their own -- basically everything that saves money costs a lot...
>>3099974
>>3099975
oh so the report option works after all, cool.
>>3100165
No idiot, they are reviving Ektachrome. And everyone but you has known this for nearly 6 months now. It will be available the last quarter of 2017.
You didn't get one piece of information right, kys.
>>3100248
they should revive not """ektachrome""" but e100g, thats the only kodak slide worth reviving.
>>3099869
Get a Bronica SQ, ETRS, S2, or a Mamiya 645 for your first medium format camera.
Is it even worth getting my canon repaired if theres oil leaked in it or whatever? I had a guy briefly tell me it might stop working in a year or 2 cause it was left in the heat for too long (was a hand me down).
i take my film to a shop to develop it. should I get the stuff to home develop bnw, a scanner, or both?
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>>3100304
Black and white it's very effective yo do both.
Scanners are ass but at least you can do multiple passes to compensate for dense negatives. DSLR scanning mustard race
I touched the emulsion of some 4x5 I was loading into film holders, should I commit honourable suicide?
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>yfw double the meme
>>3100363
that street cuck film is literally killing film.
>>3100359
Oh shit
Cookie cutter houses aren't just an American thing anymore?
>>3100355
>Scanners are ass
lmao fuck off
How much is a fully serviced k1000 worth
>>3100366
how
>>3100363
I don't mind JCH as a person, but who would buy that shit?
Been looking for a compact and came across the Minolta Supreme Freedom Zoom, anyone have any experience with It?
Reviews are great(though quite old), and it is dirt cheap.
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Want to get into exclusively b+w film photography with my AE-1. What are some essential film I should check out?
>>3100434
JHC Streetpan 400, washi film, Foma Retropan 320, Ferrania P30, these are the absolute classics
>>3100440
Not him, but...
Washi film looks neat as fuck.
I guess that is something I'd have to develop myself?
>>3100428
>using a 10$ camera to waste $8 film
Why do people do this to themselves
>>3100452
It is like $3-5.
And waste $8 of film? I seriously hope it wouldn't take me three rolls of film to realize it is shit.
The reason I asked is because it's optics seemed to have been praised in its reviews. Wanted to know if they still held up.
>>3100434
>TRI-X
>TRI-X
>TRI-X
>>3100434
All you'll ever need is Tri-X for 400+ iso and Acros for slow speed.
Anyone who says otherwise is a fucking dummy.
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>>3100461
Tri-X and Acros is a weird combination. I'd rather go FP4+ or Fomapan 100, given that APX 100 and Plus-X are dead.
>>3100461
but muhh fp4+
>>3100476
> given that APX 100 ... are dead
I disagree. APX 100 pushed to 400.
A little cloudy, but I just need to clean my scanner.
>>3100447
Ye you have to hand-develop it but the results are worth it
>>3100512
Haven't gotten to hand development yet, maybe someday soon.
Shanghai GP3 is back in 4x5"
>>3100536
>$27.75 for 25 sheets
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Shanghai-4x5-Black-White-B-W-ISO-100-Sheet-Film-25-Sheets-EXP-2018-12-Freshest-/282508917616?hash=item41c6d7fb70:g:OvsAAOSwX9FZM9E6
Flickr examples looks ok:
https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=shanghai%20gp3%204x5
Found nice looking Leica M3 + rigid Summicron + Elmar 135/4 kit at a local store. €750 a fair price, anons?
Never used anything Leica before but really want to try an M3 to see what the fuss is all about. And if I don't overpay I probably won't lose any money should I decide to resell.
>>3100659
Hell of a deal. Make sure everything is in working order (accurate shutter speeds, clean, properly aligned rangefinder) and that the lenses are clear, and if they are, buy it.
>>3100461
I thought tri x was meant to be grainy what is this magic
>>3100671
Medium Format, fine grain developer.
Even Ilford Delta 3200 looks smooth in 6x7
>>3100673
How is film so fucking hd
Sheit
>>3100675
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>>3100382
Like, $25-$50.
>>3100694
I dunno. I wouldn't ever pay more than that but prices are pretty inflated right now because the K1000 is a popular film camera right now (mostly because so many recommend it as a "starter" camera). With a bit of luck I bet you could get even twice that.
>>3100673
What developer?
>>3100713
pyrocat
>>3100671
Tri-x is a pushing king. That was deved in d76 1:1.
First roll back from a GA645W. Somehow, I think this lens is sharper than the GA645's 60mm. Tmax, red filter, d76 1:1
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Sup /fgt/'s?
There has been a lot of talk about scanning film, so I decided to do some comparisons.
What follows is two FULL SIZED scans of a single negative. Nothing special, just a snapshit at the station to test out a new film camera I had cleaned. One is a full sized fullframe camera scan, and the second is a scanned using the Plustek OpticFilm 8200i at full size (which outputs a MASSIVE 200 mb .tiff file).
First up is the mirrorless. It is scanned with an a7ii w/ SEL90M28 that was manually focused. The negatives were held with the Lomography 135 film holder.
Dust and scratches were removed manually (there were quite a few actually, this was the first roll through a dirty old camera that wasn't cleaned quite as well as I had thought), and color correction was done using this:
>https://www.iamthejeff.com/post/32/the-best-way-to-color-correct-c-41-negative-film-scans
Exposure was dropped by around -1 after applying because it tends to output an overexposed image.
I am sure some of you anons could do better, but my monitors aren't calibrated, and my eye for color is kinda shit (maybe I should shoot b&w?).
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>>3100917
This is the 8200 scan.
I actually had to downscale it a bit, even after exporting as a jpeg through lightroom it was 9 mb.
Just a straight scan at max resolution available, with iSRD (automatic scratch removal) and some light noise removal. I did not apply the negafix film profiles, they really fucked the colors.
Took a good few minutes to actually scan. Didn't actually time it though.
Oh, and the film used was Fuji Superia Premium 400, 27 count.
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>>3100917
Oh and here is a "Quickscan" using the 8200.
Took seconds.
>>3100024
Not quite 4x5 but I've moded a Polaroid Pathfinder (Rodenstock Ysarex 127mm F4.7 tessar lens) to shoot Instax wide. Its pretty fun
>>3100937
>>3100917
>>3100918
>>3100921
Can't wait for the dslrcuck cunts to try and defend this after being BTFO this hard
>>3100968
>i-it can rival drum scanning!
L M A O
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has anybody used both the contax g2 and the leica m6 and can tell me some of the pros and cons of both systems? I'm looking for a more compact system that I can carry with me all the time because it's pretty cumbersome carrying around my hasselblad everywhere.
>>3101007
>tell me what to think please!
>>3101013
Well it shows the second of the two scans in the sharpest but the reason for including the third one remains a mystery.
I guess I was thrown by >>3100968 faggot because I can't see what DSLRs have got to do with it
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>>3101007
Nothing.
Just giving a comparison between the two. Draw your own conclusions.
>>3101018
Yea, third was included because somewhere in a previous thread someone was asking of they needed to disk with silverlight or if they could just use the quickscan button. I should have explained it in the post.
>>3101018
>Well it shows the second of the two scans in the sharpest but the reason for including the third one remains a mystery.
The second scan is not only far sharper, but also has much better shadow detail than the dslrcuck scan.
The reason for including the third scan was probably to show that you can still get good enough results for online posting with a quick and dirty scan, considering these dslrcucks are always crying about how long it takes to scan with a dedicated scanner, and how muh dslr method is so much faster.
Just got my first roll developed, can I get some feedback on it? Also I fucked up and got a bunch of light leak onto it.
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>>3101030
The rest are pretty average snapshits, but this one stands out.
>>3101027
>dslrcuck scan
>a7ii
I think you mean mirrorlesscuck
This is a DSLR scan.
For the unashamed anorak wearers it was shot more than 20 years ago with a Canon F1, an FD 35-70mm f/4 and a Metz potato masher on Fujichrome Provia 100. For most of the intervening years it languished in a dusty old cardboard box in a humid environment with no climate control.
For scanning I used I used a 5Dmk2 with a 50mm macro, extension tubes and a Nikon ES-1 slide copying adapter and a speedlight
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>>3101044
Cool.
Now show us the same negative scanned on an 8200 so we can compare.
>>3101047
>negative
Slide
I don't have and 8200 you'll have to use your imagination
>>3101049
>use your imagination
So sharper and with even better shadows?
Man, you should get an 8200.
>>3100476
Not to sound like I'm shilling, but my substitute for old APX 100 (aka the stash someone's gonna inherit probably, at this rate) in Rodinal is RPX 100 in HC-110. Sadly it's only like a 85-90% equivalent, but works nicely for photos of nothing in particular.
>>3099906
Most of these are standard gripes about any film. Many people like to overexpose 2/3rds of a stop, and there's even good reasons for it even on a zone system perfect process; your shadow detail area under the curve will be greater. I've also had dicky cartridges from other small-time brands. (curse some of them for being so delicious regardless. pic related.)
The orthocromaticity point I've heard before in a thorough technical review, but can't find the link for the life of me. Said it's best for shooting brick walls in old industrial districts & so forth.
However, from a professional italian, point taken.
>>3099901
I see people on twitter mention shooting it like all the time. Maybe it's single rolls on occasion? I've not ordered any, Maco lists it as stocked, but aside from that...
>>3101050
Nope, I never shoot film these days and the only stuff I have left to scan are old family snapshits. Even the slides weren't worth spending money on a scanner. They are all old and some of them are in dodgy condition.
>>3101050
kek
>>3101027
The dslr/mirrorless/what-ever-you-want-to-call-it scan really isn't all that terrible.
It is certainly a valid option. And considering many people already have a digital body and a decent lens, it is a very economical choice too.
>>3101057
I'm not at all against dslr/mirrorcuck scanning and agree it's a valid option, but there's two faggots in particular (one being moopco who doesn't even take photos, and the other being another sony cunt lmao how typical) who like to argue that dslr/mirrorless scanning is the ONLY option and that dedicated scanners and shatbeds are far inferior.
Even after being shown valid proof and comparisons, they are too much of a manchild to admit there's other options. Just you wait, they'll show up soon enough.
>>3101061
>But I have to say if I was shooting film I would be putting it in an enlarger and making prints. Scanning wouldn't enter the equation.
I don't print anything larger than L (and the very, very rare A4), so even the DSLR scan is more than enough.
Digitizing it means I can shitpost in threads like this too.
>>3101041
Yeah I feel the same way, got pretty lucky with that shot.
can anyone identify how old this is? And how much overexposure that would need
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>>3101267
Color negatives tolerate high overexposure, so expose it like a 50 ASA and you'll be ok, you could have a maximum of a stop of overexposure.
>>3101267
It's gold, your probably don't even need to adjust the exposure.
>>3101007
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>>3101049
final redpill on DSLRcuckscanning:
it fucking sucks. i has been demostrated. and it was demostrated that it sucked with b&w too in another thread.
now, between different cuck devices, DSLRs perform better than mirrorless (surprise surprise), even an old crop reflex like the 550D rapes the A7ii weeb professor cuck in the ass in terms of IQ.
>>3101280
The reason I ask is because a different font is used for Gold nowadays and I've never come across a 12 exposure film, so I'm assuming its older
>>3101302
it wont be earlier than 2002 or something, youll be fine.
>>3101304
t.hanks
>>3100937
>>3100939
Pretty neato but doesn't look particularly nicer than the instax cam
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>>3101289
It's not that bad. This is with the kit lens and china extension tubes
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>>3101327
Thought the EXIF was included.
Canon 550D
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Got my hands on a Minolta srt 200, looking for some good lenses. Came with the 50mm 1:2
Also anyone have experience with this model camera?
>>3101044
is this a joke post? what does having a mirror have to do with film scanning?? you even go into "mirrorless" live view mode to focus the image
>>3101355
He's being pedantic because it's not DSLR scanning if you are using a mirrorless camera.
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>>3101387
show the full photo so we know how cropped this is
>>3101401
Well here's the thread, mostly about how many photo sites shill hard for digital, I remember an article where they were saying that 4x5 was equivalent to 5mp
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I'm probably responding to trolls/idiots here, but I see no reason why dslrscanning would be inherently worse than using a scanner.
You just need to make sure both the negative and the camera are absolutely level, and you need a decent macro lens with good field flatness (and focus it correctly).
If you even take the time to stitch shots of different parts of the negative you'll probably hit the maximum possible resolution pretty fast.
>>3101404
in the future you'll be able to scan every individual grain in a negative and then stitch them together
>>3101409
thanks for your contribution
>>3101412
You're welcome
>>3101403
Sony A99 II is good enough to bridge this gap :D All those megapixels <3
>>3101355
Nothing. In theory they should perform roughly similar on the same negative. (only variance due to lens and sensor, and of these two, the mirrorless had the better lens and sensor).
The difference between the two examples in this thread could be due to different films/lenses used to take the initial image, fucked up settings by some (i.e.-anti-shake on a tripod can sometimes cause issues), and so on.
Flippy flap mirrors change nothing.
>>3101406
>i didnt realize a format that's 60 times bigger would have more detail
I'm planning to shoot 400 iso all day with flash, taking pictures of people, it's an f4.7 lens, what shutter speed should I set my lens to?
>>3101512
how could anyone possibly tell you that without being there with you
why the fuck are you using a flash in bright daylight? Does your camera have a light meter?
>>3101428
>watermarking pictures of your cat
this better be a troll
>>3101428
>Sony A99
>7952x5304
>watermarked photo of cat
>:D
><3
>all those megapixels
obvious troll is obvious
>>3101428
>>3101518
>watermarking pictures of your cat
It's the only pussy he gets, and even that one hates him
>>3100993
Haven't used an m6 but would like to, but I do own a contax g1
The glass is awesome, the camera is pretty nice since it's all titanium and the viewfinder will hmmm shrink, for lack of a better word to show what you're focusing on when you get closer to your subject. Lack of a proper manual focus can be a dealbreaker for some people when it comes to the g1/g2. There's a wheel on both cameras to do scale/zone focusing but it's awkward to use. Otherwise, even on my g1, the autofocus is pretty decent, although the g2 has a much better AF system according to some internet reviews and fares a little better in low light
The g1 is pretty cheap, a body is less than $150 (I got mine for $90 from a local shop) and most g2s start at over $500 for the body only from what i've seen. The tradeoffs are a faster shutter speed (1/4000th iirc, and 1/6000 in aperture priority), better AF performance, more lens compatibility, and a somewhat better viewfinder. Imo the tradeoffs don't justify the ~$400 difference in price. I love the system, but if you're looking for a full manual experience, i'd go the leica route but if automation is your thing, the contax is a good choice.
>>3101516
No lightmeter, but I have one on me, but what about when I go inside the building?
are leicas a meme?
>>3101567
Digital Leica's are a meme, but the film range finders are absolutely exquisite.
>>3100917
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>>3100968
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>>3101289
Actual DSLR-scancuck here.
Very happy to see this shitfight unfold with you morons holding up a total garbage scan as evidence of the whole concept of camera-scanning being a failure.
It's obvious that the only reason you babbys are so against it is that you lack the technical ability to make it work.
And that's really the key; if you want to take the process into your own hands and improve it, you're also going to have to overcome the challenges involved yourself as well, and you folks simply can't or don't want to try.
That A72 scan is massively out of focus and has been "colour corrected" by a retard.
And hot tip guys, a 24mp camera outputs a 4000x6000 pixel file; captain shitforbrains has cropped right in, to about 18mp, because he couldn't fill the frame with the neg for some reason, because he has NFI what he's doing.
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>>3101060
>Just you wait, they'll show up soon enough.
>>3101637
And here's one of the faggots now, right on time.
Thanks once again for providing us with one of your "superior" scans of a literal snapshit lmao. How about actually providing some fullsize scans for comparison, just like everyone else with an unbiased opinion has done.
>>3101637
>That A72 scan is massively out of focus
It isn't though.
I will admit the source was done with a subpar camera, so could be an issue.
>has been "colour corrected" by a retard.
Will totally give you that.
>And hot tip guys, a 24mp camera outputs a 4000x6000 pixel file; captain shitforbrains has cropped right in, to about 18mp, because he couldn't fill the frame with the neg for some reason
Was using text on the negative to aid in focus.
>>3101428
fuck i hate that cunt from captured society
>>3101641
>How about actually providing some fullsize scans for comparison, just like everyone else with an unbiased opinion has done.
You mean just like I've done dozens of times?
I'm tired of leading you fucking horses to water.
Buy your shatbeds, buy your toasters, it's not my loss.
Meanwhile, anytime I show my photos to not-a-scanning-shitfight-thread-poster...
>is this film?
>wow nice scan
>please post your scanning setup
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As far as 120 film goes, which is your favourite, /p/?
(let's consider B&W and colour different categories)
>>3101646
Good rendition on the black parts, generally flatshit scanners put there fake grain.
But man, what the hell? Is that high iso fault? Too much color interference.
>>3101647
B/W:
Adox CMS II 20 ASA
Ilford XP2 Super 400 ASA
Kodak T-Max 400
Ilford Delta 100
Color negative:
Kodak Portra 160-400-800
Fuji Pro400H
Slide:
(Like if we have a choice)
All Provia and Velvia
I was thinking about getting a Holga as babbys fist MF camera. Is there any other option that won't break the bank or requires hunting it down on eBay and risk getting a dud?
>>3101651
Buy a cheap TLR. Will be infinitely better quality than a Holga, and it'll last you a damn sight longer
>>3101651
>Wasting 120 film on a plastic shit trashcam
>Willing to pay ridiculous price for that shit
At this point man get a fucking plastic Ferrania from the 60s for 5 euros.
>>3101642
>>That A72 scan is massively out of focus
>It isn't though.
If your film isn't flat and parallel to your sensor, it can't be in focus, fuckwit.
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>>3101647
bw:
hp5
delta 100 and 3200
c41:
portra 160
pro 400 h
e6:
I'm down to my last 5 rolls of ektachrome epp 100, never shot any other slide, it's beautiful though
I hope provia 100 is a tad like it, getting some soon
>>3101654
It was flat and parallel.
Any perceived distortion is probably due to lightroom applying a lens profile.
>>3101648
I use small radius high intensity sharpening and resize with sin-c interpolation, which is generally inappropriate for photos of clouds on fast 35mm colour film.
I think lab scans and shatbeds being most peoples' reference means that they don't understand how much "noise" colour film has. They apply a shitload of noise reduction, I don't apply any (aside from whatever aliasing filter is on on the sensor).
>>3101657
This is the level of ignorance I'm up against, folks.
>this atheist cuck won't debate me on intelligent design, he must be afraid he'll lose!
>>3101646
>You mean just like I've done dozens of times?
>posts comparison with lowest tier shatbed
>never used a good scanner to make fair comparison
>hur a7 is the ONLY way of achieving good scans all other methods are trash
Hahahah righto m8, yes very unbiased of you.
>Buy your shatbeds, buy your toasters, it's not my loss.
Well you clearly think it is you fucking auitist, otherwise you wouldn't put this much effort into shitposting and shilling your sony setup. You sure seem to get upset when proven that there's options out there for different people, and that shatbeds and dedicated scanners hold up. You're just too much of a manchild to admit that you're wrong, and that the method you personally choose isn't the only fucking option.
>not-a-scanning-shitfight-thread-poster
>implying you and moopco aren't the biggest scanning-shitfight-thread posting faggots of all
>implying people with other scanning methods don't get the same compliments
>>3101658
When I scan pictures using a V600 all that noise does not appear.
Of course that noise in fast color negative film exists, not denying that, the dyes on the various layers cannot be perfectly alligned since there are crystals and not dots, but that noise is way above the dimension of dyes' spots. I believe that it's software fault, not film fault. I'd honestly remove that noise with some noise reduction filter
>>3101654
Unless it was shot wide open (which would be retarded since that lens he use is sharpest at f8 or so) wouldn't minor differences in flatness/levelness still be in focus?
Thugh wthout exif we can't tell if it was shot wide open or not.
>>3101645
So does his cat
>>3101671
In macro photography DOF just goes fucking away.
To minimize the non flatness of the film you should close at f/45, the diffraction is not a problem unless you want a 130x130 print. Come on guys, let's get real.
Dropping
Nikon N4004, Af Nikkor 35-70, Ilford Delta 100.
Church of Saint Francis, Amatrice.
Now that church has collapsed after a earthquake, only few stones remain.
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>>3101656
get agfa precisia, it's literally the same but half the price
my aunt just gifted me some film that expired in 2005, its kodak high definition 400, color film. also gave me a roll of kodak b&w 400. what am i in for? any special precautions i should take shooting or developing?
Portra 400
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>>3101798
I remember your other shots from a few /fgt/s ago. This stuff is legit valuable, anon.
>>3101918
I don't think there's a 120 version
>>3101997
I'm guessing the rolls were stored at room temperature, so especially the color film will have deteriorated somewhat.
Just "overexpose" one stop, shoot at ISO 200 (for B&W the rule is 1 stop per 10 years expired IIRC). Both films should have more than enough exposure latitude for slight inaccuracies t b h.
Dev 'em exactly like you would normal film.
>>3102094
Thanks, Anon. That means a lot.
Mossy rock porno.
(Bessa R2A, Kentmere 400 under Jupiter-3 w/ 3x yellow on top. HC-110(H). Curves tweak in Darktable.)
>>3102144
Is Bessa the poorfag's Leica, can you tell me how solid the system is?
>>3102149
The A subseries are poorfag's Leica M7. Definitely not cheap, but there's autoexposure and a 1/125 sync speed for that old-school self-metering auto flash. I quite like mine. Chews through film right quick though. The meter is usually quite satisfactory, and responds to EC just as one would reasonably expect.
A poorfag's Leica ii is the first Zorki and Fed cameras; a rich poorfag's would be a Canon or some such. Unmetered stuff, hardcore but I wouldn't bother myself.
>>3102154
Excellent, the R3M looks nice, being that it's full manual, makes me almost wish that I didn't put all my egg's into the 4x5 basket, maybe next year
>>3101798
>>3102094
Also a different perspective from the outside.
Nikon N4004, Af-D Nikkor 18-55, BW400CN film.
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>>3102191
And all of this is gone now? Tragic to say the least.
What's with the black circle around the picture, by the way?
>>3100260
I bought a Bronica ETRS as my first MF camera, but now I regret not going for a Mamiya RZ67 right away. 645 negatives aren't really that much larger than 35mm. Photos look a lot different on 67
>>3102203
you shouldnt have trouble selling that 645
>>3102206
I don't think so either, plus, I have a lot of accessories for it. Together they should more than fetch the price of a complete RZ67 with maybe an extra lens. Do you have any experience with the RZ67? I mostly shoot the ETRS with a speed grip and a metering prism attached
>>3102198
Yes, anon. It's all gone, many people I used to know died, many smaller nearby villages were completely swept away as well. I'm lucky and grateful I can still tell about that.
By the way the black circle is caused by the smaller coverage circle of the lenses built for APS-C format, I used it on a 35mm, it's like an extreme vignetting. As I told in the past /fgt/s at that time I really loved experimenting, I still do, but not always that way.
I also attach here a higly underexposed picture I took on the street where my vacation house was located in Amatrice. It was meant for the garbage can, but you know, in hard times hard bread seems soft.
That dog guarded his house's ruins for five days without eating or drinking, not a case if his name is Bravo, literally "good boy". Also I consider it a metaphor of memories fading away.
Thanks for your interest, anon.
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>>3102210
i have experience with the Pentax 67, yes 6x7 is godly format. if you want the back capability and other stuff, go mamiya.
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>>3102217
Thanks, I'm really looking forward to using it. I still have to upgrade my analog work flow to MF though, now I'm just scanning them on my shatbed as my enlarger doesn't accept anything besides 35mm. Would you by any chance have some recommendations for a good MF colour enlarger? Maybe even a LF one, so at least I'll never have to upgrade again
>>3102198
>>3102214
Same as here, by the way, anon.
Still Amatrice, still same camera, lens and film.
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>>3102119
thanks man. good to know.
>>3101798
How is the old Nikkor 35-70?
Need a normal zoom for my N2020 and was considering it over the 28-105 just because it is so damn cheap.
>>3102237
In my opinion it's a good lens, cheap, sharp and no big and annoying aberrations.
I think it's an everyday lens, keep it mounted on your camera and you won't need other lenses 99% of the times.
>>3102343
Go 6x17 or go home
>>3102347
>meme format
no thanks familia
>>3102149
>>3102160
I used to own an R3M. I recently sold it and I'm filled with regret because Bessas are such enjoyable rangefinder cameras. I chose to keep my fm3a over the r3m because trying to view 40mm frame-lines with glasses is impossible and the rangefinder mechanism fell out of alignment too easy and it was annoying to have to align it (even though it's a relatively easy process, just time consuming if you keep getting it wrong).
I can get a Konica C35 for $20 plus postage should I bite?
What film is in your camera RIGHT THIS INSTANT?
Or do you always finish your rolls?
>>3102441
>do you always finish your rolls
yes, since it's only 10 pictures on 6x7.
just loaded my backs though, so I have Delta 400, Portra 400 and Portra 160 ready to go right now
New to film, Should I be using Manual override when learning to shoot on my AE-1? With this exact lens, for what it's worth
>>3102441
XA = Fuji Velvia 50
Natura S = Fuji Pro400
GA645 = Provia 100F
GA645W = Portra 400
Bronica SQ-A = Acros
>>3102451
Only if you want to purposedly over or underexpose a shot. Why else would you want to get out of your way to manually select the shutter speed that the light meter is telling you that's the most optimal anyway?
>>3102441
Fujipro 800 in my Olympus 35RC
Portra 160 in my Nikon N2020
Afga CT100 Precisa seems to be Fuji Provia 100F according to https://dexter.pcode.nl/?dx=105574
Should I just get Precisa instead of Provia?
>>3102160
Word of warning about the M series though: reportedly the mechanism will irreparably fuck itself if one winds on before the second shutter has closed. That's the reason I went with the A, and also because I've also got proper soviet LTM bodies for the manual mechanical experience.
Film loading is fucking smoothest I've ever seen outside of the automatic stuff in F5 and F100, though. Stick it in, crank once, close up, release twice, bob's your auntie. Still have to shake the finished cartridge out though.
>>3102477
Yes
Hello, I just got my first roll of film back from development and many of the pictures are like this, but not all. Is this a light leak issue with my camera or is it possible the developing people fucked up?
>>3102501
What camera model did you shoot this with? It looks like an issue with the shutter not opening fully
>>3102501
you shutter is stuck. this may only happen at certain exposure times. test without a lens if you can physically observe the lagging shutter.
>>3102441
Agfa vista 200 24 exp £1 all day erry day
(Except when I get provia 100f in)
>>3102441
superia x-tra 400
it's noisy but very cheap and i like iso 400, it's quite versitile
>>3102537
Same, but Superia Premium.
I think they are about the same thing. I get the 27 count rolls(yea, not 24, 27. Weird right?) because it ends up cheaper than 36.
>>3102441
ROBOT II=PROVIA 100F
ROLLEIFLEX AUTOMAT IV=XRAY SHEET
SPOTMATIC=KODAK VISION II 200T
KYOCERA SAMURAI= MYSTERY SHIT
>>3101652
>>3101653
Ok, let's reformulate the question. Any worthwhile MF camera under 100 bucks that's from the 80s onwards so it doesn't feel like I'm struting around with a heavy antique hanging from my neck?
Or alternatively, how much should I shell out in order to be able to buy what I'm looking for?
>>3102619
SOUTH AMERICAN HALFFRAME GUY IS THAT YOU HOW HAVE YOU BEEN
>>3102663
>that's from the 80s onwards so it doesn't feel like I'm struting around with a heavy antique hanging from my neck?
what a homo.
so you prefer plastic trash instead of solid and durable metal machinery because your little numale neck will get some strain? kys faggot. oh and get that holga, it was made for people like you.
What b/w 35mm film can you recommend?
I am using a nikon fe2 mainly for outdoor portaits of my friends and gf
>>3102675
acros 100
>>3102676
>acros 100
Thanks for the recommendation. Looks interessting, but quite expensive. Cost 2€more then tri-x 400.
>>3102694
>cost
Fomapan 100 then
>>3102694
do you love your girlfriend, anon?
>>3102701
yes, does that make a difference of the choice of film i use to take photos of her cunt?
>>3102704
>of her cunt?
or
>of her, cunt?
>>3102441
Olympus AM-100: Lomo 800
Minolta X300: Superia 400
Ilford XP2 disposable
>>3102710
the later, they havent had sex yet. he's too poor for her.
>>3102441
Olympus Stylus Epic ZOOM 80 - Superia 200
Smena 8M - Ektar 100
>>3102718
shoot your color
drink your wine
your days are numbered
bourgeois swine
>>3102719
ok
>>3102667
sup man. been kinda busy and a bit unfocused to pull up a proper serie im satisfied with. still post spares here ocassionally.
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>>3102237
I have one. Used it a fair bit. It's a very good lens with one weakness: it's flares very easily. If that bothers you, you might want to give it a miss.
>>3102673
Woah, you rekt that homo.
>>3102441
Rollei Retro 80S in muh FM3A.
All other cameras unloaded rn!
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>>3102721
Yo, Kurwa, what do you know about a Russian film called Foto, available into the late eighties at 32, 64, and 130 ASA? Supposedly shipped without cartridge in 36 exposure lengths, so there'd be a lightproof bag with some film in there in the carton which one'd load into a cartridge or (more likely) straight into the camera in darkness.
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>>3102764
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>>3102766
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>>3102460
>GA645
my guy
>>3102761
I guess you refer to Svema Foto film.
That's kinda common in Eastern Europe, it's like Agfa in Western Europe.
Also those numbers are not expressed in ASA, in the Soviet Union sensitivity was expressed in GOST scale. So:
32 GOST = 40 ASA
64 GOST = 80 ASA
130 GOST = 160 ASA
>>3099448
Let me know if this belongs in another thread but I thought it was appropriate to ask here. I got an adaptall 2 for my Minolta and I was wondering what new old glass should I get?
>>3102663
100-200$
Also it's more the lenses that make shit heavy not the camera. If any 35mm camera is too heavy for you you should man up or look for a p&s
R8 my vacation autism loadout. Also bringing a Trip35
>>3102858
just bring one camera, you autist
>>3102441
Make this it's own thread^^^
>>3102720
get out the trailer
you trashy whore
your pics are bad
please live no more
>>3102860
>Taking only one camera with you
Plebeian
That aside, which one would you take with you?
>>3102871
not him but M43 cameras are great for traveling, especially for living out of a backpack. Weatherproof and pretty tiny for hardly any money
>>3102858
Man, that's excessive.
Probably you'll end up using only the smaller one and regretting to bring all that useless weight.
Generally when I go on a trip I bring my Hasselblad with 50mm and 80mm. And that's sometimes excessive.
>>3102875
Oh but I'm just going to booze in Prague for a couple of days whilst looking at Austrian architecture
>>3102876
I know, but I'm terrible at choosing and I hate not having something with me when I want it. It's just that I want some nice MF slides of architecture, some MF portraits of friends, some digipleb snapshits and some 35mm b/w snapshits to enlarge in my darkroom
>>3102858
Ridiculously excessive. Two flashes?!
I want a medium format camera.
Is there a "beginners guide to MF photography" link somewhere?
What is a recommended starters camera?
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>>3102924
how much money do you want to spend?
Medium format has 3 typical formats: 6x4.5, 6x6 and 6x7. It's all the same film, but the cameras produce a negative of different width.
Medium format cameras come in three common types as well. SLR (like the Hasselblad or Mamiya RB67), TLR (like the Rolleiflex or Yashica Mat 124g) and Rangefinder (like the Mamiya 7 and Fuji GA645).
Decide what type of camera you want, what format you want and how much money you want to spend and that should narrow your options
>>3102907
Yeah the Olympus flash doesn't fit on the Bronica speed grip somehow, so I shaved some plastic off an old flash that now fits the Bronica but is too loose (and not computer guided) in the Olympus.
To be clear, I never claimed not to be an autist
>>3102924
B R O N I C A
E T R S
O R
S Q - A
>>3102939
I don't have any experience with any of those formats, so I have no specific preference. I'd like to try 6x6 though.
SLR or Rangefinder for around $500-$1000 if possible.
>>3102473
Thanks.
New thread?
>>3102860
But anon, he is only taking one real camera?
>>3102866
I am not she
Who you think is isi
Tho I guess mistaking me for him
is easy