Micro 4/3rds m43 four thirds

>>3098893
This is a meme right?

it's small, more than good enough and has many lenses.

>>3098896
>>3098896
Nah I really like my m43 camera cause it is light and smaller than my DSLR. My only issue with it is my best lens weighs more than the camera body.

>>3098904
12-40 2.8?

Is it just me or do micro four thirds images look kinda flat? This has kept me from MFT so far.

>>3098910
17.5 f0.95
>>3098911
It could be the small sensor or it could be the glass. with my 17.5mm f0.95 the pictures look so much different than my 20mm f1.7

Its ok. My first interchangeable lens camera was pen e-pl1, but then i outgrown it and decided I need a tool and not a toy.

>>3098915
t. A man's man

>>3098911
>Is it just me or do micro four thirds images look kinda flat?
It's physics. Same reason why MF looks more 3d/deep. Read the optics section.

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>>3098893
>needing a fucking massive sensor when larger sensors are just a fucking meme

nobody needs anything more than a pentax q

>>3098915
I guarantee a GH5 or OM-D E-M1 is better than any "tool" you are playing with now

Why are m4/3 fanbabys the most ignorant and unwilling to learn about new gear?

They act like a tiny sensor will beat a medium format film camera

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>>3098992
tfw no qt red Q

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>>3099035
we're mostly just happy with our cameras and recognize that yeah if you want absolute top-tier quality and prints, you can use a ff or medium format camera, but you can still pull great pictures out of small, convenient, and less expensive mft cameras.

For most purposes, 99% of the world will not notice the differences between mft, aps-c, and ff sensor images.

this is a space for us to talk about our cool, small cameras. mad gear nerds can go away.

>>3099035
are there even any m4/3 fanboys on /p/? this thread is literally the first time I've read anything positive about the format here. all the other times it's getting shit on over its sensor size

>>3098911
I don't see much difference between MFT and APS-C desu, but definitely with Full Frame

t. Olympus shooter who made the jump to FF with a Pentax K-1 (still use my EM5 a good deal tho)

>>3099035
The best camera is the one you have with you. I can fit my pen f with a 20mm lens in my pocket. I can't do that with a medium format camera. Even look at the lens itself. People say that the reason the m43 exists is so you could have that 20mm 1.7 lens, which while a good lens isn't the greatest and has shitty auto focus, but fuck it I can literally take that or a 14-42 lens anywhere. I can have on me at any given time a camera that works as a 28-84 mm on a fill frame.

>>3098911
same reason every iphone picture in history looks exactly the same.

A small sensor means wide DoF and no separation between subject and background. It naturally produces bad narrative without a focus.
This is why all the "look a pro used an iphone" articles are hilarious.
A guy shoots a sports game with an iphone, every shot the crowd behind the players is visible and it looks like an ugly turd.

Then you click his portfolio website and look at the sports pictures taken with a real camera with a large sensor, absolutely fucking gorgeous.

M4/3 is fine for gotta-catch-em-all photography (oh look everything is in frame), if you just care about possessing a photo of a bird, or some athlete or some girl. For actually making each photo look good, they just fail.

>>3099073
>hurr durr m4/3 is no better than a cellphone
kys

>>3099035
>implying

>>3099091
>hurr durr my compact camera with a removal lens is the same as a ff except for the complete lack of dof, and horrible dynamic range + iso performance

fuck off retard

Just to let you guys know, razor thin DoF is a crutch for people who don't know how to compose a photograph.

>>3099102
Are you retarded? Nowhere is that implied, while you clearly say the miniscule sensor and shitty lens of a cellphone camera is comparable to a mft camera.

Die in fire, faggot.

>>3099064
Months ago, maybe a year or so, there were constant threads about how great m43 was.They spoke of how there was no difference between m43 and aps-c in terms of noise, dynamic range, and dof. People would show both mathematically and practically how that wasn't true but it didn't matter. The endless threads continued.

Soon after aps-c users were saying the same thing about full frame. I'm not joking here, this is what was said: "aps-c sensor technology is more advance than full-frame sensor technology." I have to plead guilty here and say I did engage them. I would mention how sensor technology always scales up with larger sensors. They would reply about how the costs would be too much, the cameras would be too big, the lenses would be too big, and the changes negligible at best. I realized it wasn't worth my time.

I left /p/ for a while. When I came back with the market flooded with full frame Sonys the argument somehow went away. The attack on full frame was just an attack on DSLRs which were actually and still are lagging behind. Now that full frame is assessable in a somewhat usable mirrorless.

What we have now is Fuji and Sony threads. Both are great but only time will tell if what happened to the m43 and aps-c threads will happens to them. My money is on yes. Everything has become a trend now. Things have less permanency.

If cellphone technology continues improving soon we will have daily threads about how dedicated cameras are obsolete. It's only a matter of time, just like film vs. digital threads of years gone by.

The worst was still Nikon vs. Canon threads.

Why don't you people just stay in your gearfagging containment thread, I don't get this

I even have a m43 but I still think circlejerking about the same format won't ever help your picture taking

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i really liked my olympus e-m5, but m43 is a shit format for portraits. You need all your lenses to be like f/0.95 if you want some decent bokeh. Thats my biggest issue with it. Otherwise its great for shooting nature and street. Great cams for traveling too.

>>3099211
Well A. There is a good f0.95 42.5 mm m43 lens
B. The 45 mm olympus F1.8 can get good DoF and Bokah too. You act like people don't use the canon 70-200 f4 l lens for portraitures.

Guys, remember the days when deeper depth of field was considered to be a good thing? Guys? Girls? Non-binary asexual transvegan entities?

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I went into Lumix for the video, discovered I liked photos as well.
I like that Panasonic is actually loading massive features into their cameras and designs them around practical uses instead of "Noob-Bracket, Prosumer-Bracket, Gearfag-Bracket and Professional-Bracket"
I would have gone Sony for a DSLM but I have a strong aversion to Sony in every single area. Never made a good experience with them.
Oly and Pana should just team up and make a FF mount too. They have proven to be able to play with the big boys with their tiny sensors. Nikon is dying anyway and Canon wont get their mirrorless system off the ground anytime soon, can't leave half the FF/MF mirrorless market to Sony.

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>>3099185
>/p/ is dying, why?
>stop talking about a system I don't like in the gearfag thread!
>go back to the gearfag thread instead of actually discussing technical limitations and possibilities!

These statements are frequent on this board and connected to each other.

The deal with MFT is that it is actually a widely used format by manufacturers who know exactly what they need.
Olympus sells a compact-but-powerful system, Lumix goes for travelcam or video, and the other manufacturers are in their niche too, like Black Magic or DJI.
Is it an FF replacement? hell no!
Is it a APS-C replacement? maybe, depends on your necessities. APS-C is generally the all-rounder system anyway, so nobody can do as much. But if you want more stable video or a more compact package with tons of features, the MFT should be your choice.

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>>3099223

On one hand, I agree. m43 makes great specialized equipment.

On the other hand, with the advent of good APS-C or Fullframe mirrorless equipment can be had for only a tad more, or in some cases for cheaper(looking at you, e-m1 ii), m43 seems to has lost its appeal.

Just don't see many situations where it makes more sense to buy a m43 camera over an e or x moubt camera. Maybe if every single gram is important and must be accounted for, but how often does that actually happen?

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>>3099246
Well lolympus has some cool features though. Their high-res shit looks cool, their IBIS is fucking amazing too.
I shoot Fuji, but I wouldn't mind having a PEN-F with a pancake to fuck around with.

>>3099382
Oh further to that, their long exposure options look amazing. Being able to see the picture develop? How is that not a common feature now...

>>3098893
I use M4/3 for video work but if you were doing solely photo stuff I don't see why you'd use it.

What is the best lens for portraits on the M43?

>>3099246
The Pen-F is one damn fine-looking and feeling camera.

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>>3099393
Exactly my point >>3099217
It's a stabilization issue, because bigger sensors=more jello and I do documentary/journalism stuff

>>3099498
prolly the 1.8/45mm Olly or the 1.7/42.5mm Pana. they're both good. The Olly is often cited as "THA BEST MFT LENS EVAR!"
the cheap 1.7/1.8 primes from Olly and Pana are generally a good deal at any focal length. I use the 1.7/25mm for most stuff and for 170€ it is the best bang-for-buck you can get, pic related

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>>3099507
Shit like this makes me wish I went mu4/3 (I do have an LX100). The cheapness of the lenses is just amazing, while here in Fuji land they're simply not cheap haha.

>>3099557
>here in fuji land they are simply not cheap

Well what did you expect? Fuji x-mount is aimed more ar being fashionable than affordable.

>>3099503
Yeah, if you've never handled a Fuji

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Remember, M/43 is like using a cellphone camera. Every thing is in focus, there is 0 separation from the background

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>>3099507
>I walk around at flea markets, aka DOCUMENTARY AND JOURNALISTIC STUFF
its little white lies like this that are saddest of all

>>3099566
>bokeh on a macro shot
Okay, now step back a few feet and shoot a person with bokeh

>>3099563
Eh, and functional. I've shot Samsung, Canon and Fuji, and the 35mm f2 is one of the only lenses where I can shoot directly into the sun without flare. Likewise the 18-55 is a hell of a kit lens, and the 23 1.4 is gorgeous. So the lenses are great - but they're too expensive.

>>3099565
Every Fuji I've handled has felt vaguely hollow and cheap. Except the X10, weirdly.

>>3099576

While I will agree with some of their primes being decent, I found the 18-55 to be a major disappointment. Terribly slow and nothing really special about it.

>>3099585
Terribly slow? It's a kit lens. How is 2.8-4 slow compared to basically every other kit lens that is 3.5 - 5.6 or something like that. Also the OIS is very good, and its overall IQ blows away the Canon 18-55 I have used.
That said, I do think their primes are better than their zooms, which is a bitch because for pro style work, a fast continuous zoom is hard to beat.

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>>3099570
You'll have to excuse this photo of my sweet little dog.

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>>3099593

I meant the autofocus was slow.

It was like night and day compared to a zoom.

>>3099598
Huh. I don't find the 18-55 AF to be that bad. Definitely slower than the 35mm f2, but I use an X-t10 and it's not their fastest AF camera anyways.
For work I used Nikons, but I only own Fuji and an LX100 because I actually find I enjoy using them.

>>3099566
Just goes to prove that bokeh whoring is not a replacement for actual composition of everything in the frame

>>3099597
You wouldn't shoot a person so close. Do you know what distance from subject dies to bokeh?
Of course not you're an olyfag

>>3099606
eh it was a shit post just to show it can be done

>>3099507
>THA BEST MFT LENS EVAR!
that would be the 42.5mm f1.2 Nocticron

>>3099603

I was using it on a T2.

I needed a usable zoom, and it was so bad that I ended up not getting a Fuji.

>>3099651
sounds like old firmware, you tried it in a store huh?

>>3098893
>Micro 4/3rds general
so what is everyone's MFT gear?

>cameras
G85
GX85

>lenses
panny leica 15mm f1.7
panny 42.5mm f1.7
oly 14-150
panny 20mm f1.7 (which pretty much lives on my GX85)

I also have a couple lenses I rarely use anymore: the 12-60 kit lens that came with the G85 which I haven't sold because its weather sealed and the super cheap oly 40-150 which I'll probably just give away eventually (honestly a really good lens, especially considering the $99 price tag; image quality is better than that kit lens imo which Panasonic sells standalone for an outrageous $500)

>>3099735
>Camera
Pen-f

>Lenses
14-42 mm f3.5-5.6 Olympus pancake ez
20 mm f1.7 Panasonic pancake
25 mm f1.7 Panasonic
45 mm f1.8 Olympus
60 mm f2.8 Olympus Macro
17.5 mm f0.95 Voigtlander

I honestly have 0 reason for owning the 25 now that I got the 35 (only reason I had the 25 was muh 50 and that it focuses better in low light than the 20 mm. And basically 0 reason for the pancake zoom which I bought stand alone and don't remember why. I think I was pissed about the 20 mm auto focus when I bought it. )

>>3099736
>Pen-f
lol

>>3099737
>lol
I like what passes for discourse here

>>3099737
>hating on the pen-f

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>>3099738
>>3099742

>>3099750
if this was an iso dial the camera could have competed as a smaller format xpro2
instead its shit
olympus should be defunded

>>3099735
>Camera
G7 but wanna upgrade to G85 soon

>lenses
Lumix 2.8 / 12-35mm
Lumix 1.7 / 25mm
Canon FD 1.8 / 50mm
Tokina FD 2.8 / 28mm
Tokina FD 3.5 / 200mm
Jupiter M42 4.0 / 200mm

>>3099720

My buddies around...January? Don't remember. He said it was up to date but I didn't check it or anything.

But maybe a shop is a good idea. I'd suspect Yodobashi Camera to keep things updated.

>>3099750
this.
i was really hyped for pen-f, and then I saw this "art filter dial" lmao.

>>3099651
>>3099720

Yeah I'm having a hard time believing this. You're telling me it was so bad on an X-t2 that it was unusable? What are you planning on shooting?
Even on my x-t10 the 18-55 is quite quick.

>>3099759
>>3099881
>crying over a dial you can easily ignore
autism

>>3099910
or OCD

>>3099910
if you hate pineapple would you still buy Hawaiian pizza?

>>3099923
you don't have to eat the dial

>>3099735
Olympus EM10.II
Kit 14-42
Oly 25mm 1.8
Oly 12-40 2.8 Pro

>>3099923
Most autistic comparison I've ever fucking read

>>3099907

'Unusable' was probably a little strong of a word, but it was honestly not much better than my ancient NEX-3.

I was much more impressed with the comparable m43 and e-mount bodies.

>>3099735
>OM-D EM-10
>no native lenses
Not going to invest in the system, but it does the casual shittery better than my phone at least.

I currently own a X-E2 with the XF 18-55 kit lens.
While I thoroughly enjoy shooting with it, I absolutely despise working with the X-trans RAWs.
Should I switch to M43 if I don't really give a shit about bokeh or portraits in general?

>>3100069
My issue with Mirrorless:
>Fuji system is too small/exclusive
>Sony is a shitty company and their cameras are ergonomic nightmares
>MFT is tinysensor
>Canon M has one line and Canon refuses to give it any meaningful features

So, pick your poison. All systems have perfectly capable cameras, but you gotta suck at least one dick

>>3100132
I guess it's a battle between fuji and sony for me

fuck m4/3 and canons mirror-less

>using canon 5D MK IV at work
>full frame sensor, $5000 body
>still prefer my Canon 80D with a crop sensor

>>3100132
i've never felt held back by the "small" m4/3 sensor desu, except a little when shooting at night or in low light/indoors with slow zooms. even then, ISO 1600 doesn't look bad on my gx85 and 3200 is more than acceptable.

any other m4/3 users feel the limitations of the sensor enough to quit using the format? and if so, what situations were you in?

Who /dfc/ here?
GX85
P20
P12-32

>>3100169
Delicious Flat Chest?

>>3100169
I too use a gx85 with 12-32, but with a 25 1.7 instead.

>>3100132

Sony wins.

Here in Japan they rock, and I have small Japanese sized hands so the ergonomics are perfect.

>>3100169
Gx85 bro here
12-32
15 1.7

>all these GX85s

is it the best mft camera?

>>3100243
The EVF's not top of the line, but that's about it. It's every m43 embodies, without any of Olympus' terrible UI/UX decisions.

>>3100246
I kind of wish it had a slightly larger grip like the g8 but that's about it. Likewise the g85 is bretty gud too.

>>3100163
Low light, long exposure, high ISO. >500 looks utter garbage on OM-D. Long exposure turns shadows into noisy turd even with the lowest ISO. Bokeh looks terrible. When this camera dies, I'm going to either look for a DSLR or just get a quality compact like Ricoh GR to replace it and keep film as my main workhorse.

In my experience, I mostly use my g7 for video shooting and for landscapes.
In the first case, I've seen it outperforming an alpha 7. Even in low light, g7 grain was way more pleasing.
In the second case, portability wins.
> portraits are shit though, but I mostly think it's my fault...

>>3100163
I recently stopped using basecurve and shadow-highlights compensation when editing and it visibly reduced the noise I get. I think now noise is mainly a editing Problem and liveMOS sensors have incredibly good noise perfomance on Video compared to Standard CMOS

>>3100243
It's a rather common one. It's the first with IBIS from Panasonic to get some good deals and pricecuts, it is compact, pretty.
When you go on FLICKR however, Panasonics most popular camera seems to be the FZ200 and FZ1000, for whatever reason.
Bridge cameras really seem to sell.

Panasonic 20mm is based god and I'm so glad I stole it from the museum I was working at (the department was being dissolved and no one would use it anyways). Anyone who says you can't get subject isolation on m43 i will duel with sword or pistol, their choice.

>>3100715
It is truly the most patrician lens. Cause you see the 20 mm is a 40 mm equivalent, the best lens for a leica is the 40 mm

>>3098904
Most "good" lenses weigh more than the body, even DSLRs

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>>3099045
>tfw no Asuka

>>3099212
>There is a good f0.95 42.5 mm m43 lens

What's that?

>>3099212
>f0.95 42.5 mm m43 lens
>m43
must be a 150mm f5.6 in real life

lolololol m43 babbies BTFO.

>>3100787
The Voigtlander Nokton 42.5 0.95, 800$

I don't really like it, it's too soft and too expensive for a MF lens when you can get a 50 1.4 Zuiko + SpeedBooster for 1/4 of the price

>>3100804

How is he trying to defend that as a reason to use MFT when you can buy the 100mm f/2 for $500?

>>3100202
>ergonomics are perfect
I went to the local electronics&media store to test A6300, A7II and G85 recently in terms of handyness. At the time, some sales guy from Sony was there too, supposed to demo the cameras. But even he couldn't figure out how to get some features to work,, like Focus Peaking, which enables automatically on the Panasonic cameras when no electrinic lens is connected or the switch is set to MF
On the A7II, the wheels are hard to reach, you have to bend your fingers back, you have no way of switching between normal AF and MF, one setting on the switch is shared between AF and MF, the menu is unintuitive, there are too few buttons so you'll run out of custom buttons to use, the record button is retarded as fuck, the rotating control-wheel is inaccurate and unresponsive.
None of those are an issue for the G85, the G85 is perfect in terms of ergonomics, no matter the size of your hands. My GF can handle all the buttons just as I do and she has babyhands

I could go on, but this video sums it up pretty damn good in like 5 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk19TuyKiXc&t=7m58s
it also tells some things I thought not even Sony would ever do
>need to pay for a timelapse mode

>>3100842

I dunno what you were using, but I have none of those issues with my a7ii.

>the wheels are hard to reach, you have to bend your fingers back,

One sits under your thumb, and the other under your index finger. It isn't hard at all to use them.

>you have no way of switching between normal AF and MF, one setting on the switch is shared between AF and MF,

There is one button actually labeled AF/MF on the back. Some of the better primes have another switch on the lens themselves, and you could just set it to DMF so that it autofocuses until you turn the focus ring where it switches automatically to manual focus.

>the menu is unintuitive

For like the first minute or so, but then it is rather easy to figure it out.

>there are too few buttons so you'll run out of custom buttons to use

12 customizable buttons, all but one of which is easily reachable without changing your grip, plus a quick menu accessible with one button press which has another 12 settings.

That is more than enough for any possible setting. How many does the g85 have?

>the record button is retarded as fuck,

You mean perfect as fuck? Out of the way so not easily mispressed, but easily pressable with your thumb.

>the rotating control-wheel is inaccurate and unresponsive.

None of the three control wheels are inaccurate or unresponsive.

>need to pay for a timelapse mode

You don't though. You only need to pay for their shitty gwc, no raw output timelapse mode.

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What are your opinions on the Lumix GM5?

>>3100854
Look, I know you're shilling No Sense in keeping you entertained any longer

I had the Sony in my hand and tested it for quite some time. I know how shitty it is. It might have excellent Image Quality, but the ergonomics are horrible.

I trained on a a6000 and a77 that friends lended to me to get a feel for using a camera. Then i took a Lumix in my hand and it was like laying in a soft bed after 3 weeks of camping.
Sony is the same company that created this horrible, symmetric cobtroller with a D-Pad where a joystic should be.

>>3100727
If you Look for MFT cameras on Flickr, it's also rather Common.

>>3100860
a dial with only 3 things on it? seems like a pretty wasteful use of a dial.

>>3100890
You got BTFO, kid.

Go home, it is over. You lost.

>>3100890

>Sony is bad because of console wars!

Go back to /v/.

>>3101023
Except that I actually BTFO you out before you even began talking, REKT, burn!
Imma gonna call an wambulance for ya, nothing personnel!

>>3101128
I'm not the guy you were arguing with but it is obvious you got BTFO.

Stop posting and except that you lost, faggot.

>>3101140
Keep crying bitch nigger
Maybe if you ask nicely, Sony will still give you your paycheck, although you failed to impress a single person in this thread with your obvious sonywankery in a thread entirely Not dedicated to anything Sony.

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>>3101141
This is getting embarrassing now anon. You need to stop.

>>3101142
You're the one insisting on trying to convince people that Sony is Superior by insulting them, something that has probably worked 0% of the time.
Just Stop Posting, I'm Just gonna keep calling you a shill anyway.

When the gentlemen in here can Return to the subject at Hand, MFT,
Do you think BlackMagic will Release a 4k BMPCC anytime soon and how is the Low light performance of the BMPCC? Given it only records 1080p, its Pixels must be huge

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>>3101148
Anon... You said a load of shit that was wrong. Another anon explained exactly why you were wrong.

No one is trying to convince anyone that Sony is superior, you posted a load of shit that was untrue and wrong. You got proven wrong and now you are acting like a kid trying to pretend it didn't happen.

We can all see your butthurt, just accept that you got proven wrong and move on. Stop acting like a child.

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I sold my PEN F to buy an X100F and I'm pleased I did due to the size difference and DEM FUJI COLORS.
I do miss that extraordinary image stabilisation and the general feel of the PEN F. The Olympus 25mm lens is great.
The X100F viewfinder is unbeatable also and I hated the lag between raising my PEN F and the EVF switching on.

>>3101182
You are fine with having only a 35 mm focal length ever?

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>>3101188
Yes. I'd prefer a 50mm but I'm completely satisfied. The Digital teleconverter works a treat as well. I just got back from a trip to Hong Kong and it didn't let me down. Size is a big thing for me.
I feel like I'd rather have a X100F and a cheapish DSLR like a Pentax K-50 than a M43s camera and a plethora of lenses.

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>>3101200
Why do you feel that way?

>>3101205
Actually thinking back, the PENF is a lovely size and was nice to hold. I would miss the film sims of the Fuji (my photo workflow has almost zero PP and I like it that way). The Olympus menus also I found far too complicated and I feel that Fuji has more of the "get what you're given", film style approach.

I'm not a smart man.

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>>3101169
>you posted a load of shit that was untrue and wrong
Except it wasnt
Just to begin, the A7 does not have 12 custom buttons, it has 4 custom buttons. It would only have 12 buttons if the Lens-release, the shutter, the menu and record buttons are all counted as well.
Sony has never understood ergonomics in any of their fields. Their products, factually, hurt normal human hands, case in point, their controllers.
Stop shilling so hard and look at these people accurately explaining what is exactly wrong with the ergonomics/menu:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXkjssgbVaY&t=7m44s
>bad placement of on-off-button
>camera turns on incredibly slow
>menu is shit
>Panasonic ergonomics are better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk19TuyKiXc&t=7m58s
>button placement is bad
>record button is very difficult to press
>focus peaking is hidden behind menus to activate rather than auto-enabling
>menu is a clusterfuck that's also slow as fuck, still can't get used to it after 1.5 years of using it for over 500 videos
>Panasonic has better button placement and better menu navigation

Me, myself, going to the store, and handling a A7ii for a while:
>wheels are hard to turn because they're not grippy and tactile enough
>menu is impossible to navigate quickly without studying and memorizing the manual for several hours
>weight is always badly distributed and feels like the lens wants to fall off
>AF-selector switch has retarded options and doesnt allow switching between a single-AF, a continous-AF and pure MF
>too few custom buttons (no, not 12 as the anon lied, 4)

Meanwhile, all you say is "LOL NO UR WRONG I LOVE IT SO U MUST BE WRONG"
I rather trust people who are actually comparing different cameras against each other than some shilling guy rooting for Sony. Because praising Sony products for their technical power and quality is one thing and perfectly valid, but praising Sony products for their ergonomics is like praising MFT for its low light performance

>>3101207
Oh ok, so it is that you like the in body filters of the fuji more than the in body filters with the dial for the pen? Makes sense, the only pen filter I will really ever use is the second black and white one. I like the range finders and I think the 20 mm pany lens should be about the same size lens/body as the x100F. Though I gotta say, I love how my voigtlander 17.5 mm renders images on the pen-f. It is a big lens but it looks so amazing and is really fucking fast.

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>>3101208
Pls, just stop. This is getting cringey now. Go outside anon.

>>3101211
I could easily move back to the PENF and still enjoy myself but I would miss the Classic Chrome film sim so much. I do love the simplicity of having one lens do even when I had a PEN F I left the 25mm on there constantly and loved it. I would also say that I prefer the PEN F looks.
I would buy the PEN F again if I had the need to change lenses.

>>3101208

>Custom buttons 1-4
>4 Directions of Rotary Dpad
>Rotary Dpad Center
>FN
>Switchable button

That is 12. Some of those admittedly have labeles, but they are all changable.

And that dude had to have been doing something wrong. It boots instantly unless you are booting after a battery removal.

>>3101215
I wonder if there are nice fuji film presets for light room...

>>3101215
Also I can understand your autism. You just made me go through google and watch reviews on the x100f lol. Main reason I got the Pen-f was for the looks and the size and half the time I just leave the 20mm lens on and don't take others.

>>3101220
There are many filters but I don't use LightRoom currently and I cannot be arsed to learn how to use it. Browsing old photos I do like the way the PEN renders in black and white. It's very sharp due to the IBIS and it looks and feels like a film camera esp with the screen put away.
Fuck now you got me looking at PENs on eBay.

What's considered the best value for money OM-D camera? Are there any with better EVFs than the PEN F??

>>3101213
Your denial is showing, you need to leave this thread
Don't be sad that you got BTFO about something you were absolutely and completely wrong about

People about fighting over brands need to leave.
This thread is about MFT, not Fuji, not Sony, not anything else. People keep shitting up the gearthreads with brand infighting to it's just a matter of time that people started making their own threads to get away from that. Let this thread be at peace rather than cancering it up
This thread is not for you, just leave us alone.
Just leave or make your own thread about wanking to your preferred brand

You are shitting up 4chan so much with this BS. People tried to get away from you and you get into their threads and sow discord.

>>3101244
I don't think the x100f/pen-f discussion was gearfag shit posting
>>3101224
kek and you were making me want the fuji

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>>3101248
PEN F has one of the best shutter sounds I've ever heard as well. The X100F is almost completely silent even on mechanical shutter - it's remarkable and takes some getting used to but useful on street photography.

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>>3101224
>best value OM-D

EM10.II is the best value for sure, unless weather sealing is very important to you, in which case the EM5.II.

EM-10 has most of the image quality and features of the pricier models, just pared back. IBIS not as strong but still best in class. Fewer programmable buttons. You can get used/refurbished for ~300.

>>3101252
It does sound pretty good. Plus it isn't like I am going to switch now anyway after the lens I got for it costs about the same as the whole camera.

>m43 is shit in low light reee
Sure, the noise performance is worse, but the DoF of the lenses makes up for it. If I set my m43 lens to f4 I have the DoF of a full frame at step 8 but a whole 2 stops faster for my shutter/iso. I got a lens that can step down to 0.95 which gives me about a 1.9 but gives me like 2 more f stops of light

can you GX85 owners comment on its portability and criticisms against its viewfinder?

i have a G85 that i love but need a camera i can carry around everywhere in a messenger/laptop bag when going to work, my lunch break, or running errands

currently looking at a GX85 + 20mm f1.7, Ricoh GR II, and Fujifilm X70.

>>3101874
The GX85 woudl win out simply because of the IBIS in my opinion.
there's also the GX850 without the IBIS but much smaller
Also, investing equal ammounts of money into a MILC rather than a Point&Shoot will pay off in the long run

>>3098893
if it's so great, why he's holding it like disgusting shit?

>>3101874
The gx85 is pretty much a g85 without articulating screen, weather sealing, and mic jack. The evf is worse than the g85, but when I was looking around the only other comparable camera at the price was the em5 or m10, which has the external mic (in the m5), articulating screen and better vf, but has weaker video and no dual is.

Like someone earlier said, the gx850 (or the lx100 if you want a evf), are good cheaper and smaller alternative options that allow you to use your current glass too. The gx85 is still small, but those other two are much smaller, comfortably pocketable.

So, for m43 is it f8 and be there or f4 and be there due to the depth of field thing?

>>3102281
F0.75 or go home and eat bagel bites

>>3102281
what are you on about?

>>3102288
on a 35mm camera with a 35 mm lens, you set the f stop to f8 and then zone focus for like 9 feet to infinity. Photojournalists would do this and it would pretty much guarantee a pretty in focus shot for really quick if something happened.


on m43 the f stops have more depth of field than in a full frame. Basically is it that f4 on a m43 has the same dof as f8 on a full frame?

>>3102297

Kind of sort of.


A m43 50mm lens at f/2.8 does not jave the same depth of field as a ff 100mm lens at f/2.8.

What it has is the depth of field of a 50mm lens at f/2.8 on a FF lens, but it is as if you had cropped the image to the same field of view as a 100mm lens.

>>3102318
so what f stop do I set my 20mm and 17.5 mm to if I want to have as much in focus as a 35 mm on f8 on a ff?


Also are you one of the people who thinks that portraits look wrong on a crop?

Which is better? Original EM-5 or EM-10 Mk 2?

>>3100202
Yeah, they rock so hard here you can't set the standard models to English, like some kind of Gilligan's Island bullshit coconut camera or something. Meanwhile my 3 different Japanese Nikons and a Fuji let me set them to imperial-go no problem.

What I like about the MFT format isn't necessarely the size, although Panny and Olly know how to play this advantage, but the fact the system is very open and allows for a lot of different models and lines. I would really like having a bigger sensor, but in Video, that often means going to Sony, which just doesn't feel right in the hand.
I think I'd buy a MFT-esque APS-C or FF system, a big, open economy where camera brands can compete with each over over the actual body and available lenses matter not so much.

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>>3102515

If you are living in Japan, you should be able to figre out camera Japanese.

If not you should have bought the thing in America, usually cheaper there anyway.

Besides, language can be changed along with a whole hell of a lot of other settings thanks to Open Memories.

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So, why get a 17.5 mm voigtlander over a 20 mm panny?


I only shoot stills, no video. I usually edit my photos in lightroom an shoot in raw. I shoot on a pen f, I guess mostly street stuff? Anyway what are the advantages of dropping more money for the big and heavy manually focusing 17.5 mm over just using a 20 mm pancake?

>>3102917
35mm vs 40mm perspective.

Choose what works for you. It's probably the panasonic