Post your holy grail

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Contax N Digital. The very first full-frame DSLR, and to my knowledge the only one with a CCD sensor.

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>>3088151

Minolta X-600

Eyeing one for $250 now with data back.

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>>3088173
The Leica m9 had a CCD

But you lose pretty much every thing that makes a DSLR worth while

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I like 645, and that's probably the best system for it

>>3088173
what's so appealing about a CCD sensor that you would buy a 15 year old dslr?

A9 obv

>>3088486

memes, basically. we're around the bend at this point and kids are actually nostalgic about old digital technology.

>>3088173
>never heard of it
>read a review
>asides from how shit anything related to circuitry was, it's a pretty neat system
>also dem CZ lenses and Contax's propensity to use USM motors in their lenses a la Contax 645 AF.

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202FA with that 110mm f2

>>3088174
>>3088174
paypal me $100 and I'll send you an x-700

>>3088151
About a year ago I scored a mint condition nikon f3 and I love that thing. It has become my camera of choice for just about everything.

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I already own my Holy Grail camera

>>3088508

I already have an X-700.

I want the X-600 because I wanna play with its focus confirmation.

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Maitani is love, Maitani is life

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nnnngh

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>>3088487
Same.

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I already own it

>>3088486
The novelty of it being the first of its kind is enough for me. But I am sure the photos from it likely have their own particulars that would be interesting.

>>3088496
And yes, this is true. However, I am not sure I would call it nostalgia since I have never owned it. Instead it's a feeling of desire for the things which were out of my reach when I was a child and teenager. When I think of a "pro photographer" in my mind I see them with these early generation DSLRs because that was what I saw as a teenager and was inspired by.

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So beautiful, so functional.

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It's kind of silly because in retrospect this is a pretty cheap camera when compared to a lot of other panoramic 120 cameras, but god damn I want one. Maybe something like a Technorama 617 would be more of a grail.

>>3088606
This is mine. Haven't jumped because I haven't yet been able to justify shooting 6x7 to myself.

>>3088624
I'm enjoying 35mm for now, especially the portability and convenience, but I can't help but desire the image quality and characteristics of medium format.

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>>3088547

I have a normal a7 and I fucking love it. It is beat to hell though. Someone stripped the rubber off the back and did a very poor job. Disgusted pic related.

I'd love an a7 limited, but they are like $300 for a beat to hell one.

The a9 Titanium starts at $2,000. Would love one, but with film getting harder and harder to find, I am hesitant to spend that much.

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I already have exactly what I want, but if someone gave me $2k and said I could only spend it on camera gear...I'd buy this and whatever remained on film.

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Don't need any more camera gear but one of these would be pretty useful for pottering about the planet.

I would have a line of bars along the lower deck so I can do a pub crawl and the trolly dolly's can double as pole dancers when they are not feeding me.

>>3088627
I honestly don't think it's worth it unless youre a hobbyist, or enlarge past 11x14. If you like 35mm for convenience and portability most MF cams will feel like your trying to run in wet concrete compared. Totally do able though just more work bringing the unit out, although for the two days I had a p67 I carried it everywhere, I was also unemployed haha.

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>>3088151
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>>3088656
Don't feel bad it was a meme anyway

I want a digital back for my Hassy. Shame they're all crop and ridiculously expensive.

>>3088174
Why is it so expensive? Is the data back version rare?

>>3088686

The X-600 itself was rare, supposedly less than 10,000 units produced and not widely available outside of Japan.

>>3088689
I saw 3-4 at a store i was at yesterday in Nagoya. Didn't realize they were special

>>3088692

Well, you were in Japan.

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(Relatively) compact 6x7 medium format camera with an f/2.8 lens.

>>3088500
If zeiss had AF for contax cameras why can't they do AF on their lenses now? They do partnerships with literally anyone. Why can't they do a partnership with someone now to have AF in their lenses? Personally I use MF but financially it seems like a poor decision to release a lens without AF today. Unless they want to ensure their lenses reach a certain demographic by limiting their appeal. It doesn't even have to be good AF, I mean look at sigma.

>>3088695

Prestige my man

>>3088695
maybe durability? If you wanted your lens to last 50 or 60 years Zeiss glass is known to do, why date it with AF and also risk something shitting the bed prematurely?

>>3088692

I live in Kyoto and have turned the city upside down looking for one. No luck. I love my X-500 and really wanna play with the focus confirmation.

As for the price, the data back itself usually goes for close to $100. It also had a 16mm fisheye with it (though it was described as cloudy glass, it looked fine in pictures), which usually goes for another $100 or so in good condition.

It is a lot, but I am really considering it.

>>3088624
6x7 is easy to justify. It is a beautiful format. All things being the same a bigger format is always better. If your concern is the size there are cameras that are about the size and weight of a DSLR like the mamiya 7. If you don't have the money for a mamiya 7 you can look at a fuji GW670 or a GW690 if you want to go even bigger. I think 6x7 or any medium format camera is worth it. It doesn't have to be your main camera but something you shoot occasionally. It is a total joy.

Apart from size and weight I can't think of any downside to 6x7 or other MF.

>>3088703
I have a 6x6 camera that I like and use a lot, so the question is whether I need more MF negative/more modern MF glass (i have a Rolleiflex T).

>>3088701

>really wanna play with the focus confirmation.

Get an F100 my man

>>3088710

But I already have a bunch of Minolta lenses.

>>3088712

I'll spoil it for you right away and tell you that focus confirmation is a neat trick but doesn't work half as well as split prism screens that already exist.

>>3088707
In my opinion: hell no. I love 6x7 but it's not going to give you much over 6x6. If my math is correct 6x7 is only close to 15% bigger than 6x6, which is nothing compared to other formats. Square is great if you want to crop so see if you like the 4x5 crop which I think is one of the great things about 6x7.

>>3088718
Fucking this. Even on Nikons where it'll tell you which direction you need to focus in, taking your eye off to the subject to look at your confirmation dot is just not acceptable when you're used to a split prism.

There's also the fact you're focusing with DOF at f5.6, and the camera is telling you anything in that DOF is in focus, so you're not going to be nailing anything critical.

>>3088719
But squares are shit for composition, and cropping down to rectangles you may as well just use 645, which is a fuck ton smaller than 67.

>>3088756
>But squares are shit for composition
Or you just suck at composing

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>>3088743
>>3088718

Man, you guys are totally ruining my fun.

Guess I will just have to save up and get an a7 limited body instead.

>>3088756
I always heard square was great for composition, I never used it myself. I don't know man, just do what you want.

>>3088557
Worth it? Any weird quirks?

>>3088606
How heavy is this thing?

>>3088825
actually not as retarded as a RZ
I think only the Bronica GS-1 is a lighter 6x7 system

>>3088831
Thats what I was thinking, my holy grail is the Bronica SQ-A.

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>>3088174

30 minutes left, no bids.

I think I am gonna go for it...

>>3088858
Godspeed.

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And a bunch of old Minolta lenses.

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>>3088877

Oh god, I did it.

Seller is in my city too, may arrive tomorrow if they ship early enough.

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>>3088606
Saw one on Craigslist earlier this year for like $100 idk why I didn't go look at it

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An Alpa meme setup like those old richfags over at getdpi.

I wouldn't even take pictures with it, just off it.

>>3088926
This would probably be mine too, just for how beautiful it is

>>3088156
this

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>>3088931
I love every ridiculous aspect off of it.

The fact that the 1500 buck digital back adapter plates come with shim kits that are adjustable in max. +/- 3/10 mm in steps down to 1/100 mm.
>1/100 mm.
Because those 30+K digital backs aren't made precisely enough to Alpa standards.

>>3088636
I have two of those. Stop being poor.

>>3088926
I don't get Alpas, or any ultra-high end carams with a 5 digit price tag. Does the image get better? Is it 1000x times better than what you'd get from a conventional medium format?

>>3089026
no, the same way that a rolex doesn't display time 1000x more exact than a conventional watch. it's not at all the point

>>3089030
Then what is? I get that Rolex is for small-dicked men that want to show off, because thats the first impression I get. And I'm not rich, but not a poorfag, I guess a sensiblefag, I don't see the point in shitting money away because it gives an image or whatever.

A camera is all about the shooting experience and the negative.

>>3089030
>more exact than a conventional watch
do you even chronometer, m8?

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>>3089026
The Alpa is an incredibly well made modular system where the basic ‘body’ can be married with a range of lenses, backs (digital & film) and other accessories to produce a customised camera made to a precision standard.

The lenses made for them by Rodenstock are insane and optically perfect.

Alpa is a world of neurotic perfectionism. An Alpa is able to extract the ultimate image quality that the backs and lenses are capable of.

Sort of the end game camera really.

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>>3089032
>And I'm not rich, but not a poorfag, I guess a sensiblefag
Nope, you're just a jealousfag. Not everyone with money who buys nice things is doing it to show off or whatever, some buy nice things literally just because they can. If you had more money than you knew what to do with, and really liked the alpa, you're saying you wouldn't buy one?

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>>3089032
A 1000 bucks gets you 98%, for the last 2% you need to spend 10000, that is what an Alpa is.

Also a Rolex isn't for showing off, at least a normal sub isn't that is just a well-made dependable watch that will outlast you.

Alpa is for the big-buck landscape photographers who blow up their shit to multiple yard gallery size. A point where that 2% might matter.

Also they are lovely to work with and since it's a modular system it will last and is upgradable/swappable.

>>3088173
The Zeiss glass I'm sure is great on it.
It's a shame the Pentax MZ-D didn't come through as well.

You could always get a Canon 1D if you wanted a close to FF CCD.

>>3088529
How much?

>>3088174
congratulations anon

i almost never post questions about auctions because im afraid somewhere on the board someone is after what I'm after and will bid a stupidly high amount and I'll lose.

>>3088898
How much did you get it for?

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I never knew a tripod head could be so nice until I got to play with one of these.

>>3088825
>Worth it?

It seemed so worth it when I first got it, but I find myself using my FE a lot more often than the F. It's an awesome camera but it's so heavy that I don't take it out very often.

>Any weird quirks?

Not that I can think of

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>paying sixty grand for the 100mp phase one alpa so you can take landscapes

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>>3089089
>You'll never use two Arca Cube's.

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>>3089133
For what purpose?

>>3089150
The purpose of one cube is to level the platform of the camera EVEN if the tripod itself is not perfectly level. This is great because the process of leveling a tripod is imprecise, time consuming, and requires a lot of bending over, whereas leveling a cube is incredibly quick, very precise, and can be done without bending over. Imagine you're on a rocky cliff in the winter with heavy clothing/coat, and you can see where the difference can be anything but minor.

By leveling the camera base you can now pan your camera left and right along an EVEN HORIZON.

What if you want to take a shot with the camera pointed slightly down or up (for instance to place the horizon at a rule of thirds). A single cube makes doing this very easy for a single image. You can rotate the camera on the cube until it matches one of the axis of the cube, then use the cube's tilt to accomplish the needed rule-of-thirds composition and use the cube's other axis to level the horizon perfectly. Fast and easy.

The long standing problem is when you want to compose with a non-even horizon (e.g. at a rule of thirds) and then pan-and-stitch left-to-right. With one cube you can't do it! The camera will not remain horizon-level and you move left to right.

So you COULD just level your tripod - what any sane person would do in this situation. However, if you're smart, you could use a second cube.
You use the first cube to provide a level base and you use the second cube to tilt-and-pan to your hearts content.

There.

>>3089040
Finally, a good answer. Thanks.

>>3089043
>If you had more money than you knew what to do with, and really liked the alpa, you're saying you wouldn't buy one?

No, I wouldn't buy one, it seems like you need equal parts camera gear, knowledge of operation, and a decent lab to extract great results.
Definitely jealous mate, so jealous. Really hit the nail on the head there.

>>3089046
What is the point in having a watch that will outlast you? I doubt you will care if it works after you're dead.

>who blow up their shit to multiple yard gallery size

This is incredibly niche and very specific to do with photos.


I can appreciate a good ALPA, but seriously lusting after one, or even blowing money on one without being a pro with his own lab seems like a waste.


>>3089095

I've got an FE, and it's just pure joy. The build quality, cost factor and usability make it an instant winner.

>>3089195
I see.

>>3089201
>I can appreciate a good ALPA, but seriously lusting after one, or even blowing money on one without being a pro with his own lab seems like a waste.

Wouldn't it just be better to invest in an 8x10 system if you have the money for an Alpa and a good back?

>>3089201
>What is the point in having a watch that will outlast you? I doubt you will care if it works after you're dead.

A Rolex Sub despite it's current status as a luxury icon is perhaps the best example of a tough "tool" watch, you could buy one today, wear it to work at the office all week and then beat the daylights out of it on the weekends sailing, diving, climbing mountains, building an iron man suit in the machineshop and it wouldn't complain.
The Sub's automatic movement isn't as fancy as some other high-end watches, but it's basically bulletproof. And Sub's hold their value spectacularly well.

You don't need one, but it will essentially not disappoint at being what it is.

>This is incredibly niche and very specific to do with photos.
A lot of these people exist, go over to Getdpi and be surprised, enough to keep Alpa running well.

>Wouldn't it just be better to invest in an 8x10 system if you have the money for an Alpa and a good back?

I've asked this to a landscape photographer I know who did this and now shoots Alpa: weight, flexibility and ease of use.

>>3089205
A good back, as in 100 mp Phase one? Then you have the tedium of processing and making sure you get your monies worth from the camera.

Call me a pleb, but I love my fuji xtrans system, the fact I can enjoy my holiday, have my ultra-light weight system, a lens or two, take a few snaps and out of a couple hundred there is a handful I print and love.

With an Alpa, it almost seems it requires you to be a pro, and it needs to be making you money, otherwise it's just a weird investment.

It's like buying a brewery to make beer, when a home brew kit would suffice, I don't know if that analogy makes sense, but I hope you see what I mean.

>>3089230
The thing with shit that lasts is that you grow sentimental about it, and that value is greater than that of the material worth of the object.

I have a shitty casio gold watch that has been going strong for 3 years, it was about £25 in Argos, and it's got this really cool worn patina on the surface, it means more to me than any expensive watch.

>>3089088

Too much honestly, a step above the list price. 26000円 with tax and shipping.

>>3089011
Kek, far from poor. I just have no need for another camera...especially one as niche as that.

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>>3089195

>>3089230
>I've asked this to a landscape photographer I know who did this and now shoots Alpa: weight, flexibility and ease of use.

Did you ask him about the difference in image quality?

>>3089242
>Call me a pleb, but I love my fuji xtrans system

What lenses do you have?

I believe some people complained about the AF of the 28mm being slow?

>>3089288

It is the 18mm and 35mm f1.4 which have the shit autofocus.

Everything but the 56mm is stupid soft wide open too.

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>>3088694
Muh nigga.

I just want want a RF MF foldable camera. I guess I will have to stick with my Isolette.

>>3089288

I'm the original guy you are referring to,

I've got the 23mm f1.4, and 35mm f2, both are superb and very fun to shoot with.

The 28mm, is slow in low light because of the f2.8 aperture, but it's not my cup of tea anyway.

>>3089301
Check out Fuji's MF folders.

>>3089309
I don't have that kinda money.

>>3089310
The 645 ones can be had for $300ish.

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>>3088151
Owned and sold. New F-1 is better

>>3088156
Used both. M3 and M4P are better. MF rangefinders aren't very good imo.

>>3088173
Wouldn't want. Old digital is pretty gross and unreliable.

>>3088174
Owned and sold. Nothing really special about it.

>>3088314
Would try if I found it at a good price but not convinced it would better than any other 645 systems I have used.

>>3088507
>auto hasselblad

>>3088531
Fuck off, Sugar.

>>3088545
Just get a Rollei 3003.

>>3088557
Own. A classic, but I prefer the standard prism.

>>3088606
Own two, one bricked, another that developed a spacing error. Considering cashing out on the system. Fun, but I now can't help feeling they're unreliable.

>>3088616
I've been meaning to get into large format.

>>3088617
In my experience, all these panoramic MF cameras are ticking timebombs for mechanical failure.

>>3088636
Have always considered getting this or the x-pan but every time I just think about how all I have to do is crop my MF shots to get exactly the same performance.

>>3088656
KC is cool for what it was, but if it came back everyone would just use it as a crutch for boring and uninspired photos.

>>3088694
Now THIS is an unreliable/unfixable camera.

>>3088855
Owned and sold. Looks a lot cooler than it is to use.

>>3088926
Might as well buy a hasselblad digital rebranded sony camera.


picrelated

>>3089334
>dream camera is a sony

I'm sorry about that

>>3089357
Not just any Sony, the first Sony.

>>3089334
You sound so pompous.

>>3089371
Dude, this is 4chan. What do you expect?

>>3089290

I can't understand why Fuji would make poor lenses for their boutique system.

>>3089308

Did you ever get the chance to handle the lenses Anon mentioned?

>>3088151
That one is so satisfying to use.

>>3089376

They aren't poor, just below average and overpriced.

The x-mount system is not aimed at professionals, but instead at gwc, soccer moms, and nostalgic old men.

Their lenses don't have to be top of the line, just good enough and compact. The super wide apertures help them to sell too, even if they perform as bad as a kit lens until stepped down to f 4.

>>3089382
>They aren't poor, just below average and overpriced.

So why would someone buy into the X system?

>but instead at gwc, soccer moms, and nostalgic old men

It seems that higher end compacts would better serve that market.

>>3089390
>So why would someone buy into the X system?

muh retro styled mirrorless!

And even though they are below average for the price compared to DSLRs and other mirrorless, they are still pretty solid lenses.

>It seems that higher end compacts would better serve that market.

No one buys a compact when they have a cellphone.

>>3089334
>this or the xpan

It's exactly the same camera, you dingus

>>3089334
You can also clearly differentiate a shitty photo cropped by you and one taken on an xpan

>>3089398
Yeah, I know.

>>3089403
Bullshit, man. Shoot the same film in both and compose with the aspect ratio in mind.

>>3089403
>you can tell the difference between a wide 35mm frame and a medium format frame cropped to the same dimensions
you're a special kind of retarded

>>3089334
>In my experience, all these panoramic MF cameras are ticking timebombs for mechanical failure.

What experience is that?

>>3089394
From what I've seen, I like the styling of the X series cameras as well.

I can even understand having below par lenses in the catalog, but how is their any lens, much less a prime lens, made and designed in the last 10 years that has bad AF at their price point?

>>3089421
You clearly have never used an Xpan.

>>3089445
You clearly don't know anything about film.
But I'll hear you out: explain why cropping medium format can't match a 35mm pano.

I'll wait.

>>3089458
I really dont care if anyone wants to crop or not.........one thing missing in this conversation is perspective.

It is almost impossible to "see" the panorama format when looking through a regular VF or GG. I have tried many times.

If you want pano shots and wont/cant afford a pano camera then you crop. I know that for me the pictures would not be the same at all. I look for things and see things very differently through the pano VF or GG and i believe these things would not be seen the same way in another format.

Once you stop being a pleb, and actually use an xpan, you'll understand.

Cropping is for plebs. Kys

>>3089501
Your brain doesn't function well. Maybe use tape to mark off the viewfinder instead? Composition when cropping doesn't have to be dead on.

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its sexy af

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>>3089515
ill sell you mine

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>>3089515
>35mm bentax as holy grail
>shitty spotmatic
>not an LX

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>>3089524
I think I heard there is something in the LX that always breaks. I can't remember what it is, maybe something to do with the mirror. Is that true? Is it uncommon?

>>3089528
you're probably mistaking it for a different pentax slr

the LX was the most rugged and reliable slr they ever built

>>3089529
> The most common LX problem is the so-called "sticky mirror" where, after periods of inactivity, the mirror "hesitates" on its first trip up towards the viewfinder. This is normally accompanied by the "no infinity focus" syndrome where wide-angle lenses cannot be focused at infinity. Both problems are caused by a small rubber piece onto which the mirror rests in its "down" position. Due to aging, this rubber piece becomes porous and sticky, and the mirror sits lower and becomes stuck to it. This rubber piece is easy to reach and replace, but when that happens, it is usually time for a complete service. There are several other mechanisms deep into the camera that need cleaning, lubrication and adjustment (CLA).

http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/bodies/film_LX/LX_old.html

>>3089531
If it's easily done during a cla I would hardly consider it an 'always breaks' type of situation

especially when its something that probably takes several decades to get the way it does

still good to know I guess

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>>3089501
>What is a viewfinder mask

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This Nikon FM2n was donated to me. I haven't used it yet tho. Can this be considered a holy grail?

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>>3089659
Dude, the FM2 is so based that Nikon produced an insane tribute model as a vanity project after it was obvious to every phoographer that film was dead, at least commercially, and had NO RAGRETS.
>http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/fm3a.htm

>>3089501
>>3089541
kek, what a retard.

The only reason to get the xpan is that it's a lot more portable than any medium format camera.

>>3089676
You seem pretty defensive, friend. Are you okay?

>>3089659

Motherfucker, this IS the holy grail. Why aren't you making sweet love to it right now?

It's a camera that will survive a nuclear apocalypse.

>>3089713
I'm dead inside.

>all of these "BASED" identical SLR bodies with exactly the same features
You're all just posting your favorite or only thrift store finds, aren't you?

This board is so fucking cringey.

>>3089800
>never used a good film SLR body after suffering with one that was shit

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>>3089806
>after suffering

look at this whiny little crybaby

use a smena for a year

>>3089806
>wants me to believe he actually uses cameras while he's fapping over old film cameras
Point me to your photography thread or website, show me what you "used" it for

>>3089812
>I don't like your choice of camera, so show me your photos so I can shit on them

oh, this old meme

>>>/flickr/

>>3089822
>I'm insecure about my shitty photographs, so therefore you're seeking to bully me by asking to see my photos, fuck you, I dont hate myself, you hate myself!

>>3089825
nobody owes you anything, lad, much less an opportunity to shitpost

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It seems almost flawless for what it is and I like 6x8 a lot

>>3089811
Smenas are below dogshit in terms of cameras.

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>>3089831
Here's a 3 lens kit for $600usd

>>3089922
I own that not sure its worth the 1.5k i paid for it

>>3089877
im jelly

>>3089929
nigga, no film compact is worth $1.5k.

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>>3090003
>tripod

>>3089831
>almost flawless
>implying how ridiculously heavy and fucking huge it is, is only a tiny flaw

>>3090027
you seem to have forgotten the 'for what it is' part

being heavy and huge isn't a flaw, its what you deal with when you use a specialized tool like that

>>3090027
I think his caveat of "for what it is" makes his statement hard to dispute. For a "studio camera", size and weight are all but meaningless.

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It came!

In decent enough condition. The lens is weird as shit though, no clue what it is. Has some weird color filter dial. Unfortunately the clear one is a little foggy.

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>>3089831
>almost flawless

cons
>heavier than a 4x5 field camera
>clunkier than a 4x5 field camera
>less lens selection than with 4x5 field camera
>lenses more expensive than 4x5 lenses
>smaller film format than a 4x5 field camera
>lens movement's = to cheap 4x5 field camera
>bellows extension = to cheap 4x5 field camera

pros
>reflex body

no thanks

>>3090040
>less lens selection than with 4x5 field camera
>heavier than a 4x5 field camera
>clunkier than a 4x5 field camera
>smaller film format than a 4x5 field camera

all irrelevant to me. I actually welcome it because I could still use roll film especially since there's far more available 120/220 film

I have no problems with 4x5 field cameras and I'd certainly enjoy using one but this would better fit my needs, workflow, and convenience in regards to the larger format film movements required workhorse

>>3090045
and I realize you can use roll film on a 4x5 camera but it just seems a bit pointless to me especially since a 4x5 with rollfilm is going to be clunkier to use than a gx680 which is the main gripe you seem to have with it

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Aero Liberator for maximum bokeh whoring and that orgasm inducing 4"x5" SLR mirror slap

>>3090048
I use one of these orbits, loading it is a little more of a bitch than my a-12 hassy backs but not that bad.
its usally just as easy to pack the 4x5 as it is the Blad, I can't imagine ever picking that foo-gee monstrosity over a nice compact field camera.

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>>3090076
forgot pic

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Leica CL/Leitz Minolta CL/Minolta CLE

Pros:
>smallest m-mount body
>comes with a dank ass 40mm prime
>has a meter built in

Negs:
>uses those shitty mercury batteries
>meter prone to failure
>meter is on top of shutter, prevents mounting of certain lenses that encroach into flange
>not m body tough, but still solid

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>>3090116
cle is adorable

>>3090118

The Minolta branded CLE looks way cooler, but I hear there are no parts for it, so no one is willing to repair it unlike the CL.

>>3090118
why is the shutter button so small wtf

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>>3090133

Made for Tiny Jap hands.

>>3090121
Actually i think it has parts inside which can be found in other minolta bodies. Here in the Netherlands it can be repaired.

>>3090121
From papa ken

>I've found my two CLEs to be far more reliable than my three Leicas.

>Two of my three Leicas have needed service, while both my CLEs work just fine.

>The CLE is based on the Minolta XD- and XD-series SLRs, for which there are plenty of parts and donor bodies available.

>>3090164
>>3090162

Ahh good to know.

I was looking at some Leica specific camera shop here in Japan and they said they would not touch it.

>CLEは電気部品払底のため残念ながら修理不能です。

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>>3090037

Friday I will go to Osaka and try it out.

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>>3090037
How much did you pay?

That lens alone is worth about $ 150+
Quite sharp strange semi-fisheye lens that's rather fun.

Also you can screw of the front element so you can mount 22.5mm filters that are screwed into a filter thread inside the lens.
>80's Sigma thinking.

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>>3090265

Yea, I tried that and the whole front element popped off. Woops.

$240 total. I am not sure how much the lens is worth, since its clear filter is a little foggy. Wonder if I can send it someplace to be cleaned (would it be worth it even?).

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>>3089673
>>3089746
Damn sweet, didn't know this is a keeper! The original owner said the camera survived a 6-foot drop during a magnitude 7+ earthquake and it had no issues after. I can't wait to use it with a Tri X!

>>3090116
>>3090118
it is a love it or hate it camera
if you don't have one already and have never handled one do before you buy it. I found them to be the least comfortable Leica / M mount camera I have ever used but the guy who bought it from me has 3 and shoots them over his m6.

>>3090285
It was Nikon last mechanical camera, barring the expensive, late, limited, and wonderful FM3a. It is robust and simple, with none of the automation of the FE2/F3. By the 80s there were other cameras that were more advanced and had more features than the fm2, but few could claim to be built as well or carry the cachet of being an all mechanical nikon. I inherited my grandfather's, and it's a joy to use everytime.

>mfw my dad tells me my grandpa used to own leicas, but traded it for nikon because he was afraid of losing or breaking something as fine as a leica
Oh well.

>>3088900
I fucking hate you.

>>3090009
>>3090440

Thank you

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It seems like i'm the first one to mention this lil' guy

Healthy eyes would also be appreciated

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I want this one real bad. An 18-35 and 100-150 lens, and im good for life.

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>>3090555
wtf? this post really made me think.

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Own, love. Shooting with a nippon kogaku 50mm f1.4 while I save for a lux. Photo related is my dream kit

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>>3090825
Isn't the M5 fuckhueg for a Leica though?

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>>3090901
It's one of those things that is actually just a tiny bit bigger but by having a radically different shape suddenly feels and looks gigantic.

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Just a little travel cam.

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Somebody stop me from being poor.

>>3091481
>>3091482
dont be gay.

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Someday I'll become an /out/ landscapefag and get a field camera. I need a new scanner for whenever that happens.

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>>3090265
>>80's Sigma thinking.
niggga what u mean that sounds rad.

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I'm a travel videofag

>>3089195
That's fucking retarded, the cube already has a rotating pivot on the very top, independed the tripod, after you align the whole thing you just turn that thing to pan

if the cube didn't do this it wouldn't be worth what it costs.

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>>3091548
Same, pic related.

>>3092569
>reading comprehension.

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I need to find a rich old lady who will buy me a black M10. Either that or learn how to sell drugs or something.

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if only

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>>3092778

>choosing the wrong grail

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>>3092973
An internet to you, good sir.

For me, it's the FM2/T, the best 35mm Nikon SLR. I'll take a 35/1.4 AIS with it, but probably use the f2 day to day.

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>>3090265
>>3090258
>>3090037

So I have put two rolls (well one and a half) through the X-600. I go to pick them up tomorrow, but here is a mini-review.

The lens that came with it is a mess. Moldy, scratched, dirty, and not even the good one with the mini filter thing like the other anon said.

The camera itself is really stripped down. No exposure compensation even. It has this extremely shitty focus screen, nothing like the awesome split ones on the X-700/500. Not sure I can change it either without breaking focus confirmation. Will have to test it later. The camera is nothing more than an X-370 with focus confirmation slapped on.

The focus confirmation works decently well in good, even light, useless in low/mixed. It gives you a beep, so you could shoot it without actually looking in the viewfinder, but I wouldnt do that for anything critical.

The winder is either worn out, or just a tad bit longer draw than the X-700 messing up my muscle memory. Quite often (one in three or so) I have to flick it all the way to the end a second time to make it shootable.

It is neat and all, but I will probably just end up using my X-700 more often. If it was all I had I wouldn't really complain about it though.

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>ITT
l2Mamiya, newfag

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>>3089334
>Rollei 3003
Holy shit dude, this thing looks awesome.
Definitely one of my new grails.

a very large, thermoelectrically cooled detecting surface with very small pixels and very high quantum efficiency attached to lenses with very low focal ratios and very little off axis imaging error and minimum 16 blade irises.

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>>3093059
this, but also has a red dot

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isi's Bessa is my holy grail. I'll get it one day.

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>>3093059
>16 blade irises.
>even number

Stay plebeian

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This baby. Issue is that there are relatively few around and those that do have one like it too much to want to sell.

>>3093229
Just get a Fuji branded one.

>>3092995
>Moldy, scratched, dirty
what did you expect buying from ebay?

>>3093469

It was Yahoo Auctions actually, and it was described as such. I was after the body and didn't care about the lens. What I already have is better anyway.

And I have actually had very good experiences with e-bay. Better than with Keh honestly.

>>3088156
beat me to it.

>>3093473
wanker

>>3093442
They are pretty much the exact same price and have been for almost a year now. Secret's out son.

>>3093583
Ya got me. I was going on information from way too long ago. Props, anon.

>>3093472
NOTHING is better than KEH, bro.

>>3090555
The optics and sensor are shit thought. All it has the best processor ever devised. Not like it matters since the images are not reproducible.

>>3092973
kek

>>3093588
>suggesting a website that would probably cost $60+ in shipping to order from

>>3089334
This looks so shitty
why do i want one wtf
I have one of the later Floppy models- actually not bad for what it is. got it for free, i just let my kids fuck around with it because i don't give a fuck if they break it like my phone or other cameras i own.

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>>3089334
>but every time I just think about how all I have to do is crop my MF shots to get exactly the same performance.

That's basically the reason why I sold my xpan and bought a second M7.

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Downgrading is my fetish

>>3088546
it doesn't exist ?

>>3093750
I want to buy one of these, how has the experience been? I know that they are not the sturdiest cameras, but that doesn't bother me.

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I really love the idea of a (relatively) compact medium format camera.

>>3093765

Dis guy's my hero

>>3089076
Can't remember, but they come with good price tags usually. For a mint condition I think I payed in the $100 range. They told me I got a good deal. Not sure if true or not.

>>3093693
>suggesting a website that would probably cost $60+ in shipping to order from
>suggesting a website that would probably cost $60+ in shipping to order from and be $120 cheaper and 1000x better

KEH LN-, EX+, EX, and BGN all rate as LN in my eyes.

>>3094053

I bought two lenses from Keh.

One was an EX+ that ha a massive thumb sized blob of mold that even showed up in pictures.

The other was an EX manual lens that had random bumbers carved into the side.

Both were cheaper on e-bay with free shipping.

Never buying from that scam site again.

>>3094070
KEH with their fucking bumbers

>>3093812
Shame that it's shit.

>>3092575
I haven't tried it so I can only imagine the function. It seems like if I leveled one cube then the pivot on that cube would then be able to pan left to right while keeping the horizon perfect...why not? I guess for some reason, in my mind it seems like if you use a bubble level to get everything level to begin with, then pans shouldn't have a problem with horizon?

I've always wanted to do some big panos and this interests me a ton.

>>3094101
Fuji's medium format line is nice, though.

>>3093812
I dislike the idea of a big fuckoff huge mirrorless camera. Might as well go SLR at that point, with the weight and frou-frou.

How come SLRs don't have hybrid viewfinders yet, anyway? Surely that shit should fit in the prism housing.

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>>3088151

>>3090265
Ive got one of the konica filtermatic 16mm, it has the filters already inside and you change them but spinning one of the grips on it. Really fun.

Bessa III is my holiest of holy grails.

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>>3094802
The problem is that comparable SLRs are fucking massive. This isn't like an A7 where the difference with a lens is negligible, this is a noticeable difference that's inches apart.
You could honestly fit an H1D with a 45mm into the same space that an H6D /H5D, Phase One, or 645D/Z body takes up.

>>3094802
>hybrid viewfinders
If you ever picked up an X-Pro 2 you'd realize that hybrid finders are absolute trash.

>>3092995

Take a look at this.
>>3088174

Sensors don't go through viewfinder screen.

Change it to the X-700 one and you have a decent camera.

It must get a fuckton of rolls off of two AAA batteries. I'd be worried about them exploding before they run out honestly.

>>3094101
What makes you qualified to say that?

Yet again some poorfag idiot on /p/ claiming absolute shit and has nothing to back it up with.

You think that a company like Hasselblad would spend millions on R&D and just make a feeble camera?

>>3095130
nah they'll just buy a sony and slap a different logo on it

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>>3095958
so a feeble camera, then?

>>3095958
rekt

>>3095130
>You think that a company like Hasselblad would spend millions on R&D and just make a feeble camera?
Yes

>>3095130
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJSRKsj31bE& He even hates this camera..

>Live view/evf sucks dick and is slow af due to the leaf shutter needing to be double cocked

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>>3095958

I am surprised no super budget chinese company has tried to copy/clone/license e-mount from Sony yet.

How did this Yi M1 turn out anyway?