Part II from this thread >>>3076012
In this thread let's review some professionals' work. I will endeavour to post one or two photos I like, and one or two I don't like, and say why. I'm a noob and that's why I'm here. If I knew everything then there wouldn't be anything to learn. So if I say some stupid things take your best shot to troll me and deal with it.
I think it would be a productive exercise for anyone interested in modeling photography to do the same and we can get a good discussion going.
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The first photographer: Jan Scholz
Attached photo I love, primarily because of the model's positioning. The leg aggressively pointed at the camera (along with her bent elbow) gives her body an extremely sexual and almost grotesque form. Despite the hard angles of her limbs, her facial expression to me is soft and keeps a feminine quality to the shot. Love the shadows on her left collarbone as well. Softbox to the right of the photographer?
Only things I don't like are that the pattern on the sheets is ever so slightly distracting, and the framed pictures in the background as well. To me, a blank wall would draw more attention to the model.
Question: It seems it's shot on a wide focal length and then cropped. Is that correct? What focal length would you say?
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BTW, the entire sets are viewable here: http://blog.micmojo.com/
I chose this one as the second "good" photo by Scholz because here he's doing something very simple, and making it look good. I think you could line up 100 photographers to take a similar shot and it wouldn't look so dramatic, with such feeling. To me it is simple, not some super clever pose or excellent backdrop. Just a girl on a bed. Everyone has such a setting in their home and could take such a shot. But Scholz seems to get every angle just perfect -- I especially like the lines of her shirt stretched across her chest. It seems to me he chose the exact correct angle for her to face, and where to position himself.
What I don't like about this shot is the hair over her face. It might look better if she'd positioned it differently, but as shot it looks flimsy and doesn't fit with the rest of her bold and dramatic, confident pose. I think the silhouette of her face, the line of her nose, lips, would be more interesting and more befitting the photo. I also think the choice of panties creates the illusion of added weight and makes this part around her waist and pelvis look fat.
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>>3086090
>micmojo
oh i have him on fb. hes pretty good and also super consistent.
This is my least favourite of the ones I viewed. To me, it just feels awkward and doesn't evoke any real emotion.
I think given the pose, it's obvious he wasn't going to an attractive or desirable feeling. The model's body doesn't look good. He was going for something, I suppose, more vulnerable. I think it falls flat because her hair still has this perfect seductive shine to hit, and the way its positioned is so flawless. As well, he doesn't pay attention to the background. It's awkward where she is posed near this window, and there is just a bit of a painting in the top of the shot.
It all combines to take me out of any mood I might feel and I just feel like I'm in that room sitting there as he awkwardly directs her and she waits for this to be done to get into the next shot because it's fucking weird.
>>3086100
>dat backburster
my fave from what youve posted.
bullshit.
>>3086086
He only uses natural light.
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>>3086191
Expand please.
>>3086177
>He only uses natural light.
He is too much of a massive bed wetter to learn how to light properly.
>>3086086
These are dime-a-dozen, second rate soft core trash. There's nothing even remotely interesting about these. There are thousands upon thousands of photographers on the internet who produce this shit all day every day.
They're not bad, but they're supremely boring and common. Anybody with a moderate amount of training could do this.
>>3086235
>t. strobist
You're fucking awful at this, and you have terrible taste in modelling.
Stop posting, faggot.
It's just not a very good selection of his work. I'll collect the good photos, according to me that is and post.
>>3086695
Nope. It really doesn't work like that, especially when the point is someone is wrong in every aspect. The thinking is wrong and highly egotistical. Note the meandering ramblings attributing motivation to the model and photographer? Unless there are interviews or writings where they dictate their motivations (and even then you've no assurances that you're getting the truth), you have no clue the reasoning behind the choices that were made. I'd also argue that such really isn't important beyond trivia anyway. What's important and not academic masturbatory self importance is, if anything, figuring out why you read a work as you do and how that relates to popular readings of such a work. This isn't to say that you should necessarily be guided in your readings by the popular understanding, but be aware of the gestalt and how you diverge or converge with it. Inform your own works with these understandings, then watch how your audience reacts. This lets you tune your work to elicit the reactions you want from your audience, and that, my friends, is the mark of a good artist.
>>3086090
>http://blog.micmojo.com/
>fine art prints
>>3086905
If he makes money off of them, who's laughing?
One of the things I love about his photos is the framing.
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Same model as I posted in the other thread on the bleached image.
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Framing again.
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Wonderfully sharp, which is kind of the point of the photo.
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>>3086906
They make money too. I guess they're offering fine art.
few dreamy as a contrast. I think this is just tilted.
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>>3086907
>framing
For fuck's sake. Do you even know what that word means? Please, explain the "framing" used in this photo.
>>3086912
"Fine art" is a common label for highly technical black and white nudes like these. Doesn't matter if you like it or not.
Personally, I think the work's kind of boring, but it's not offensive, either.
>>3086911
>sharp
Absolutely remarkable! Stunning! Exhilarating! A photographer who figured out the mystical art of focusing!
Stupid 4 chan countdown. I don't want to spend the whole evening here.
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>>3086915
"Fine art" is a term for shit sold by no name wankers at the county fair.
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Thanks for making me go through his stuff, I really love much of it.
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>>3086920
It's almost as if the term is a good indicator of whether something is kitsch.
OK, this one is here for the boobs.
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>>3086923
Fine art = I bought a camera and took a BW photo of barn doors.
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>>3086924
what the fuuuuck what a perfect body.
I love this one. I think that's an Aero-Ektar, I should take mine own again.
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This is unusual, I think it's with a 50mm, pretty wide.
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I always loved this one but can't say why.
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Color ones. This is, I think, again Aero Ektar. It's wonderful.
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He has this dutch streak once in a while, not surprising as he lives in Amsterdam :)
FP-100c45 is really a great film for these as shadows quickly underexpose.
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Another. That's viktoria again I think, she's really interesting, and a great model to work with.
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this looks like shot in greece or somewhere.
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I love that he only shoots color when there is color to be shot.
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The colors are not at all accidental, and they are wonderful.
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I think there is a massive reflector to the left of the camera.
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I feel like licking the colors off the screen.
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This one is a little different palette.
And I'm done. Thanks for watching why I think Jan Scholz is a good photographer.
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This stuff looks an awfully lot like this guy who posted here way back, excellent set
>>3087008
That's me that posted that list above, and unfortunately no, it doesn't really. That photo, for instance, is quite underexposed, and should have been shot with a larger reflector and on negative film, not astia.
>>3086177
when a tungsten filament combusts inside a bulb, light naturaly comes out of it
>>3087020
that image is incredible, and has its own thing. its memorable and palpable, i saved yours when it was posted in the original thread but i wouldnt save any of what you posted from that guy.
>>3086932
>I always loved this one but can't say why.
Probably because you're a horn dog and it has a naked chick in it. Just a guess.
>>3086922
Didn't 5hoe used to post pics of that chick?
>>3086913
>>dreamy as a contrast
do you have any idea what you're even talking about or is english not your first language
>>3087202
yip yip yip yip yip yip
uh huh
uh huh
>>3086899
>egotistical
>meandering ramblings
Project much?
>>3087202
yip yip you
yip yip me
yip yip baby
yip yip family
Short attention span in this forum. Will try to keep it short from now on, unless replying to a thoughtful post.
I like this photo
- interesting clothes and background
- model on the right is gorgeous
bad
- don't really like model on left's pose
BTW now we are reviewing photographs of Helmut Newton
I like this one overall
good
- love the foreground/background obviously
- the mirror is a clever way to show her face
bad
- don't like the colour of heels (dated)
- hairstyle is terrible (makes her look even older than she already is)
- model's ass looks flat and terrible from this angle
- might have cropped some off the right edge
I like this one also
good
- so sharp with excellent angles, looks dramatic and poignant
- shiny on the car is good
- sky is good
bad
- would change hairstyle and move her hand so you can see her fingernails, hand resting on the top of the car door
question: what focal length is this?
Probably my favourite one of his that I viewed
good
- as close to absolute smut as you can get while still being somewhat legitimate
- provocative
bad
- technically it's poor. not sharp, don't like the exposure, contrast
- don't like the TV background
- can't tell if that's a burger or cake but it better be cake
I like this one
good
- carpet lines
- shadow (natural light?)
- costume is interesting, like the veil and black and white
bad
- would change the heels for something less tacky
Didn't like this one
good
- it's weird and interesting to look at
bad
- model is ugly and her posture is godawful
- shape created by this corset she is wearing is not at all sexy, makes her legs look fat, shoulders rounded, and waist all fucked up
- ugly construction in the background
- the guy on the sidewalk to me is just trying too hard to be weird and "artistic" and to me seems pretentious and empty
>>3086931
if I was rich, I would buy the print of this from his shop
Didn't like this one for similar reasons as the previous one
good
- colour of her dress, background
bad
- too grainy
- made her tits look awful
- makeup and facial expression look unattractive and not feminine, almost clownish makeup, cunty expression
Don't like this one
good
- holding cigarette in a good way
- love the background
- like her hair
bad
- model looks like a tranny
- bad facial expression
- bad outfit, makes breasts look weird and torso has odd angles
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>>3087118
What editing?
>>3086086
is that a man?
>>3087008
You have any more from that set? I used to have those, but that computer is long gone.
>>3087051
Well thanks :)
>>3087112
I think that's Ryonen (sp?), an American model, so he might have.
>>3087352
http://tiggersix.tumblr.com
>>3087313
Not sure what he means, it's, I think, a tilted but quite stopped down lens, probably 4x5 rather than 8x10.
>>3087516
No he didn't, he tilted the lens.
>>3087465
Blast. His extraexposure blog is shut down.
>>3087534
That doesn't make any sense.
The only way her face and chest can be in focus while her lower torso is not, despite all being an equal distance from the lens, is post-processing.
>>3087815
>literally what are movements on a view camera
>>3087815
It's a real shame that he ruined this large format polaroid with that post-processing also.
There really isn't any way to achieve that look with the camera you say?
>>3087815
4/10 troll
good attempt
>>3087815
On cameras that allow the lens to be not in the same plane as the film/sensor, this is not the case:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheimpflug_principle
Borrow a field camera somewhere and try it out, or just hold your lens in front of your camera and play with it.
>>3087901
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheimpflug_principle
Shit, thanks anon, never knew about this, cool.
Thread not getting a lot of participation, would anyone like to see a different format?
>>3086907
For me it's her tits.
>>3091452
this is a shit board, but keep with the format and keep posting.
>>3086907
>model leaning against bed
>no other elements in photo
>framing
>>3086910
>model sitting on bed next to window
>no other elements in photo
>framing
>>3086907
>framing.
wew lad. this is just porn.
>>3091452
His work is fine, but there's not much to say about a lot of it, for me. It's just very well executed on a technical level and it's not saying much.
We will now shift our focus to some photos by David Dubnitskiy.
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I absolutely love this photo
Good
- low contrast, high exposure gives a very cozy feeling
- excellent poses and scene
- two absolute babes
- unfocused bit of door on left edge frames the shot for us
Bad
- nothing
Love this one as well.
Good
- Her facial expression, biting her glasses
- The room
- Great dress
- Perfect capture of moment it is floating
- Panties around ankles very sexy
Bad
- Not crazy about her heels
Good
- Cool setting once again
- Insane hottie
- Great pose, hand delicately on cheek, toes pushed against the floor making her legs look great
Bad
- Colour of her dress doesn't go with colour of the seats, imo
- Mop is a little too real in this fantasy scenario. Looks disgusting
- Might elect for a tighter crop
Good
- Colours, seems everything has an orangeish reddish tone
- Model is very attractive, face and boobs look very good
- Again, excellent cozy feeling room
Bad
- Model's stomach looks a bit strange, maybe just a little chunky, but I wonder if she could have been positioned differently to stretch that chub a bit
Good
- Setting (notice a pattern here where he always chooses fantastic scenes)
- Foregorund model is a stone cold babe
- Bit of tit is sexy as hell
- Great costumes
Bad
- Model's facial expression looks a bit hard/unhappy
I didn't like this one too much
Good
- Model's large hanging breasts
Bad
- Bad 80s feel
- Everything is too soft
- Not sharp
- Overexposed
- Blue white and red is ugly and kind of reminiscent of some kind of flag
- Kind of ugly face on the model
I didn't like this one either
Good
- Sharp
- Colours
- Love her shirt, would like to see more of it
Bad
- Not a flattering photo, makes her mouth look too big, shadows on nose are a litle strange, jaw looks broad and not feminine
- Sun hitting her hair in such a way to make it look thin
>>3091764
but i think the model's face expression makes her even more sexy
kind of awkward and nervous face
>>3086086
Autistic, purely technical crits: the thread
>>3091859
yeah because the narrative value of all those photos really made us think.
>>3091872
Also part of the point: there is none
I know this is /p/ and it's all about the lighting and optics but MOAR MALES
M-males are more worthy of good lighting an optics is all.
>>3086907
I like how he footsexually used her soles.
>>3091724
This is /p/ lol, someone responding to an uninteresting discussion as if he were someone else.
The model in the first case is basically packed into the frame of the photograph, as if she was curled into a box. And that makes the framing just right. Framing doesn't have to be creation of the frame by elements in the photograph, it's the interaction between the object and the border in this case.
>>3086912
How do you photograph the concentrated feminine musk inside their boots?
>>3086909
That was my phone wallpaper long ago
>>3086086
>Seeing all this intention that isn't there.
>Not analysing painting, the superior form of art.
>>3091859
Yes, but also the tits make it art
>>3087260
lmao
>>3086086
OP, I'll make one non-shitpost here.
When evaluating a photo that functions as expressive art - i.e. not reportage, stock, product, commercial portrait, or porn - first you evaluate what the photo is trying to express and whether it's successful at expressing that. All technical considerations are secondary if they're not in service of that expression. If the photo isn't trying to express anything - if it's just a pretty picture - then it's not worth discussing beyond how valuable it is as a commodity.
What's your goal with your interest in this subject? Are you looking to sell photo sets/prints or to express something? (Not that the two are mutually exclusive.) Decide on that and use that to inform how you look at photos.
>>3092793
I wouldn't really call it expressive art, nor would I call it a commodity. I don't want to make money, and I think if I want to make expressive art I'd choose a different medium.
What I want to do is make cool photos of interesting scenes that are visually pleasing to look at.
Visually pleasing is going to be well-composed, have interesting and attractive subject, interesting setting, and it's going to be well-lit and sharp. That's all I really care about. I don't want to tell a story or anything like that.
>>3086086
Perhaps I've seen too many BLACKED threads on /b/... I thought she was propping up a gigantic black dildo in the thumbnail.
>>3086086
god you have truly awful fucking taste. delve a little deeper before you come on this board and populate it with drivel.
>>3093137
It helps build my confidence when you haters shit on even the best of the best. You can call this shitty taste but these photogs are more popular than you'll ever be so where does that leave you and your cum sock?