Battle of the compacts

>>3077269
none of those

The Panasonic LX100 or Canon G1Xii

inb4
>you can't put them in your pocket
only a twat would put a camera in their pocket with all that fluff, keys, coins and condoms etc If I wanted to put it in my pocket I'd use a telephone

>>3077277
Yeah but those have tiny sensors which really don't justify using them instead of your iphone which is gonna be with you anyway

The Ricoh is pocketable AND has an apsc sized sensor

What's even the point of point-and-shoot cameras nowadays with cellphones everywhere.

>>3077281
With apsc or full frame sensors, 1000x the image quality especially in low light
With small sensors (like the rx100 lx100 etc) I don't see any point

Already copped a GR. RX1 is for Benz owners with Rolexes

>>3077280
If the ricoh had a evf it would be the best camera their unless the rx1r was sub 1k

>>3077280
>sensor size is everything meme

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>>3077281
Fixed compact lens design has advanced massively to the point that the zooms have max aperture equivalents around f/4.0 and and the primes around f/2.8. The biggest mobile phone sensors sit at around f/11-16 territory. You get an order of magnitude better light gathering, depth of field and resolution.

They also have filter rings and shoot raw. The raw which some cameras have now is mostly fake DNG raw (pre-demosaiced)

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>>3077298
>>3077299
I found an RX1R Mk1 for 800 bucks
I'm just on the fence because of the lens size, it's huge

>>3077316

It's stolen or broken.

>>3077316
go for it man 800 fucks for a FF compactish camera... Can't get the newest fuji pseudo leica fixed lens for that

>>3077321
Idk I am conflicted about it.
Obviously it's FF and has a nice lens but.. It's too big to be pocketable yet doesn't have a viewfinder.

It's just a dumb compromise for me. I can handle the Ricoh not having a viewfinder because it's so small, but the Sony isn't gonna fit in my pants anyway so why not just add a viewfinder if you're gonna add that huge lens

>>3077322
you can get a EVF for it, but it's bulkier with it on

>>3077327
Yeah, I'm not gonna buy an additional EVF/OVF for any of the no viewfinder cameras, kinda defeats the purpose

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>RX1
>Compact

>>3077336
Yeah I think I'm down to the GR II vs X100T

>>3077340
True. Don't discount the X20 or X30 either.

>>3077342
I considered the X20 but I think it loses to the GR

It's basically a GR spec wise (doesnt have a viewfinder either, same lens and processor) BUT it's not pocketable

>>3077344
you are thinking about the x70 not the x20/x30

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>>3077344
Wrong camera my dude.

The GR is the smallest and best of all of those. Literally why would anyone buy the xboxhuge non-retracting expensive RX1 or the Fuji compacts which are just inferior to the GR. And the X100 is in no way a compact, if you're going to be carrying that around it's going to have to go on a strap anyway so then why not go all the way and get something with interchangeable lenses.

>>3077345
>>3077346
OOOOH right right right

Sorry
Yeah that's the one I was thinking about.
I looked at the X20 especially because I saw one for 150 bucks but eeeh.... Don't think it's worth carrying a camera with anything smaller than APSC

>>3077347
True true true

X100 is sexy though

>>3077316
>RX1R Mk1
Fixed lens, slow focus, castrated raw, waste of money even at $400

>>3077340
>GR II vs X100T
Fixed focal length on a compact is pointless

>>3077397
>large sensor
>pocketable
>zoom

Pick two

>>3077399
>large-ish sensor (1.5 inches)
>zoom

Canon G1Xii

>>3077404
>>large-ish sensor (1.5 inches)
That's practically smartphone tier

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>>3077269
>Panasonic LX100
I'd consider this too. Go to a camera shop and play with one, they're pretty awesome.
But really, the GR is the way to go.

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>>3077406

It's literally seven times larger, fucktard.

I'm just going to throw a 27mm pancake on my Fuji X-A2 and call it a day.

>>3077437
Got any high iso, black and white pics you can share? I hear the Fuji 'A' are sought after by ppl who dont want xtrans.

>>3077269
it ain't exactly all that compact but given that all i ever seem to take anymore are long exposure or well lit landscapes/portraits i have a morbid desire to get a sigma sd quattro and just dump the 17-50 2.8 on it.

>>3077322
I've heard Sony menus are shit particularly in the compact range.

What's the point if it's not fun to shoot?

I think GR is not just superior in term of size. The menu system and controls are just so comfortable to use

>>3077428
Did you take that with a GR then? I'm thinking of buying one.

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>>3077322
>yet doesn't have a viewfinder
mk2 has the built-in viewfinder. The Mk1 was from before had the engineering in place.

>>3077336
It's just the lens that is big.

The Full Frame body itself is smaller than the other tiny sensor cameras.

>>3077277
>cropped m43
hahaha.

>g1xii
>as big as an a7
>shit canon 500nm sensor
>slow as mollusk af
hahahahaha

>>3077529
> The Mk1 was from before had the engineering in place.
Pajeet? English well you speak?
> It's just the lens that is big.
> The Full Frame body itself is smaller than the other tiny sensor cameras.
Doesn't mean shit. You can't just take the lens off.

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>>3077547
>You can't just take the lens off.

>he doesn't manually sharpen the image sans lens in post

>>3077406
Anything bigger on a compact is meme tier

also

muh prime lens on a compact is meme tier

>>3077547
He missed a "they" anon, my mind added it back in automatically anyway, as I suspect did his, no need to get worked up

>>3077617
U wot m8

All my film compacts are fixed focal lens

>>3077299
You can put an OVF on the Ricoh and Fuji. The lens FL is fixed so it works just right, metering is reliable so it is only for framing and doesn't use the battery. Best option of all the bunch.

>>3077470
Unfortunately not. I suck at B/W.

>>3077548
Lol
you literally can't take it off with that one though, that BBC of a lens is welded to the body

>>3077645
>film compacts
the worst meme ever

>>3077688
Nah

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GR2 is my only camera and as an amateur I am very happy with what I got. Tried my friend's X70 but the controls and image sharpness are just no match. It is quite prone to dust though, and gets really worse in a dirty place like China. I am travelling so I couldn't clean the sensor, have to limit myself to larger aperture for the moment.

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>>3077707
Wow that's gorgeous
Any post processing?

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>>3077709
Yeah, but mostly the basic stuff. Here is the direct output from the raw. The underexposure was a huge mistake, not sure what I was thinking.

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>>3077707
>>3077718
Nice shot anon, you turned up the contrast too high in your processed version though, the tree leaves look washed out. Your original needs only a +0.5 exposure change and then it's perfect

>>3077760
It looks fine.

>>3077718
Thanks mate

Both look really good. Right now I'm torn between the GR2 and the x100t right now

I might pick up the GR 2 now and the x100f instead of the t when I get more money

>>3077269
Ricoh GR with EVF
>>3077340
>X100
>compact
https://i.imgur.com/cRxXfTB.png

>>3077795
Well it still fits in a jacket pocket which is the limit of what I consider pocketable

If I get the GR I'll just use the screen or get an OVF, I prefer ovfs over evfs

>>3077795

>4chan
>linking to an imgur instead of just uploading the image

>>3077804
Photo upload was broken for ~4 hours you dumbfuck. Just kill yourself now

>>3077804
>4chan
>being a tripfag

>>3077805

Maybe you're just retarded.

>>3077807
>trip
>calls others retarded

>>3077847

I'm tripfluid. How dare you assume my identity.

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>>3077526
Of course I did.

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>>3077914
This is juicy

I think I might buy the GR brahs

>>3077760
>>3077778
Thanks for the advice. I will try to approach it differently next time and see how it turns out.

>>3077781
A camera repairman in Hong Kong told me that GR3 will have 20MP and VC stabilization but will not be available until the end of this year. Of course, no guarantee that he is talking the truth.

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>>3077916
I don't think I've seen anyone who's regretted it.

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>>3077963

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>>3077950
I don't really have any digital camera and don't think I can wait until they release the III though

Not without an announcement at least

>>3077950
I hope they make it with an f/2 lens. Will make it better to shoot at night.

>>3077950
>A camera repairman in Hong Kong
TIL Ricoh Imaging Co, Ltd disseminate their press releases via camera repairmen in Hong Kong. In fact, the lady in the noodle shop told me the next Samsung phone will have a tilt/shift lens

>>3077964
Surprising bokeh for an apsc 28mm 2.8

>>3077992
fucking kek

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>>3077916
do it mang

My Ricoh helped remind me of why I love photography. You can get it in places you definitely couldn't stick any other camera.

pic related

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wtf i want a gr now

>>3078145
Just ordered it brah

Got a new GR II. The prices weren't that far from the used GR II or GR I plus shipping so I thought I might as well get a new one and not worry about any sensor dust from previous owners

Stoked as fuuuuuuuuuuck, it's arriving next week

>>3078197
fuck im about to buy one too

Can someone recommend some photography blogs/photographers that use the GR other than jtinseoul and eric kim???

>>3078197
When I bought mine I came to the same conclusion. It's such a relatively small investment that I don't think I'll ever sell it either, better to buy new. Carried it with me everyday since.

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>>3078198
I actually stumbled upon some when I was researching the GR
They're mostly related to Japan

>>3078205
>>3078203
Juicy
I'm gonna sleep until the delivery man rings my doorbell

>>3077992
Well I shouldn't say "a". That camera repairman is not a random nobody, try to ask some local photographers where they got their GR fixed, they would recommend you to that one particular guy. Again, I don't know if he's telling the truth, but he's known for his familiarity with the series there.

>>3078235
Where? I've been known to need a repairman in Hong Kong from time to time.

>>3078262
Search for the name windowme_ at the dcfever website.

Can't focus at work ugh


AMAZON GERMANY DELIVERY GUY PLEASE COME SOON

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is this the gr thread?

>>3078387

No, this is a "post pictures you could have taken with literally any camera" thread.

>>3078394
Have you ever made a good post?

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>>3078300
Can't find it. The site loses much in translation though, might that have something to do with it

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>>3077299
>EVF
You disgust me.

>>3078411

yes

>>3077294
>>3077280
>>3077281
>Fully manual control
>Ergonomy
>Viewfinder
>Bright f/1.7-2.8 lens
>24-70mm equivalent, which is pretty much all you need 90% of the time
>Basically DSLR quality, yet being small and light enough to carry around all day in your jacket or your hand

That's the point of an LX100

>>3078464
>Basically DSLR quality
With that tiny babydick sensor? Nah bro

I don't think it's worth getting a camera with anything below APSC sized sensors

>>3078417
Actually my bad, should have asked you to search "GR維修" instead. Here is the link. http://www dcfever com/trading/profile.php?id=193928
He doesn't fix all kinds of camera though. Actually, I don't know if he could speak English.

>>3078472
Seems to know his Ricoh shit for sure. Also looks like the place to go when your Sony fucks up as well.

I usually take my lenses into David Chan in Champagne Court for a service every so often but I get the feeling none of those shops in there will be around much longer.

>>3078467
Micro four turds is good for video

>>3078562
>Micro four turds is so good for video it's retarded

fixed that for ya.

Also, anyone who shoots fool frame video is just that, a fool

What do you guys think of the RX100? Is it considered a compact? I was thinking about buying that one, but after seeing some of the Ricoh GR pictures I'm having doubts...

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>>3078669
Totally a compact, but you lose the APS-C sensor size in favor of an EVF and a more versatile zoom lens.

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>>3078677
It has a smaller sensor, then?

>>3078677

much smaller.

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>>3078679
Yeah.

>>3078686
Welp... Put me on the Ricoh GR bandwagon list

Is is worth it to buy the Ricoh GV-2 optical viewfinder for your GR II, or would it be a waste of money? It's compatible, but it's $250 USD; the lack of a viewfinder is the one thing keeping me from buying a GR II desu

>>3078702
Just find the viewfinder used or packed with someone else trying to get rid of a camera

>>3077305
Why is nothing in focus?

>>3078686
That shit is barely 4x the size of an average smartphone sensor (6mm x 4mm). Typical Sony to skimp on specs and overcharge on "features".

>>3078686
Those sizes aren't right. Shouldn't MFT be half of the FF? Because it is the half frame size with 2x crop factor. The APS-C is shown that size in that image and the APS-C should be between that and FF.

>>3078812
No, 2x crop factor would make it 1/4th the size of FF. APS-C is 1.5x crop factor, or 1.6x for Canon.

>>3078815
Ah, okay. My bad.

>>3078818
We're all learning. Think of it like this - if you times the focal length or f stop by the crop factor, you will get the equal focal length and f stop in FF.

The Oly Zuiko 25mm f1.2 would be equivalent to a 50mm f2.4 on FF. The Nikon DX 35mm f/1.8 is equivalent to a 52.5mm f/3.6 on FF.

Don't mix f stop with t stop of course.

>>3078827
I didn't take the squared value into account but it makes sense since the crop factor is a one dimensional value and the area size is squared.
Strange how when doing serious science exams I forget to take basic math into account.

>>3078818
Crop is less than half the surface area of ff, hence why it sucks so hard in comparison.

>>3077277
Also love my LX100. Checks most of the boxes for me. Ignore cunt that compares it to a cell phone, it's almost a mu4/3 sensor which is way larger than a phone. Not to mention it's just quite pleasant to use.

>>3077294
The Lx100 is still considered a large sensor compact - hell people call 1 inch large and the lx100 is well larger.
There's a massive difference between what the f1.7 lx100 can shoot at in low light than what you can with a cell phone. Massive.

>>3078829
That's a ridiculous claim.

>>3078829
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHYidejT3KY

>>3078833
Keep in mind that all these f stops are in small sensor terms, not 35mm equivalent

>>3078833
f/1.7 is f/1.7 considering the amount of light going through, no matter the sensor size.
The crop factor x f-stop is the 35mm equivalent depth of field which you can easily ignore if you look at the original focal length of the lens.

>>3078845
That's not how it works because you're using equivalent lens

F stop isn't constant across sensor sizes, just like focal length

>>3078849
idiot.

>>3078855
You're the idiot
A 28mm equivalent like 18mm or whatever "f1.8" isn't f1.8 in full frame terms
It's gonna be 28mm f2.8 or something like that

These dumb zooms with micro sensors are false advertising, they only give you the focal length equivalent but not the aperture equivalent

Something like the rx100 is probably f5.6-f8 in full frame terms

>>3077277
>condoms in pocket

Noice. You must shag a lot.

>>3078859
thats dof, not light
idiot

>>3078862
Are you dumb? Can you do basic math? The aperture (light gathering) isn't the same since the lens size isn't truly the same either

Here, I found the equivalent for the mk3:

Sony RX100M3: f/4.9-7.6

Congrats turd, you got duped. And wow if you thought you had a zoom faster than 3000 dollar pro zooms on a cheap compact

>>3078860
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BVVm2IL1oE

>>3078863
Lets say you have a simple lens, a 50mm or a 35mm and put a piece of paper behind it as a screen. You draw a big bracket for full frame and a small bracket for crop.
When you switch the brackets behind the lens, DOES THE FUCKING LENS CHANGE SHAPE, YOU GODDAMN STUPID FUCK?!
IT DOES NOT! THE F-STOP DOESN'T CHANGE YOU GODDAMN IDIOT!

>>3078834
36 x 24 = 864mm2
24 x 15 = 360mm2

Ff is 2.4 times the surface area homie, that's 2.4 times better signal to noise ratio presuming the lens and sensor are equal.

>>3078835
>comparing apples and oranges
>implying half frame wasn't seen as a joke next to 135

>>3078849
Aperture is just the ratio of size between focal length and lens opening, it's independent of sensor size. F1.7 on 8x10 = f1.7 on your smartphone. Bokeh is nothing to do with aperture.

T is also independent of sensor, it's just a measure of light intensity, between crop and ff, the intensity is identical, it just covers a larger circle.

>>3078865
You still don't get it,christ

The f stop has to be adjusted because you want to find out equivalent aperture
Aperture is dependent on the actual lens, not just the sensor

Christ you are dumb

>>3078869
You are one special kind of stupid, moop.

>>3078867
who the fuck cares about signal to noise ratio

>>3078880
Anyone that cares for low light.

>>3078870
You're not replying to moopco (me), aperture isn't dependent on the sensor in any way shape or form.

>>3078558
https://melbournestreetphotography.com.au/2015/03/23/hong-kong-analogue-camera-trail-david-chan-champagne-court/
looks p cool, would pay him a visit next time I go to Hong Kong.

>>3078890
>https://melbournestreetphotography.com.au/2015/03/23/hong-kong-analogue-camera-trail-david-chan-champagne-court/

It is heaven for film fags.

Champagne Court used to be 80-90% second-hand camera gear but quite a few of them have gone now. It's an old building and I can see it being knocked down within the next few years so don't wait too long. They can also repair modern gear as well although I don't think he will do lenses with stabilisation

>>3077302
>my little bitch 1/3" iphone sensor is the best i've ever laid eyes upon

>>3078145
such a sick photo senpai. looks like from american history x.

>>3078811
It's not right to think of it purely in terms of sensor size, equivalent aperture is a more pertinent measure, and a RX100 has a f/4.2 equivalent at 24mm equiv, and f/7.1 at 70mm equiv. It's only behind a regular APS-C DSLR with kit lens by a 1 stop margin, but its lens is significantly sharper, and the whole package is small enough to fit in your trouser pocket. What it sets out to do it more than accomplishes. If you want a big equivalent aperture you buy something else.

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Biiiiiiiih my GR is here

Time for dem snapshits biiiiih

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What's the best compact camera in the $400-500 range? I'm not a photographer but I travel a lot and I like to pretend I'm a photographer when I do. I'm looking for something small to replace my old Nikon P500 that just became too big and too much of a hassle to carry around.

I'd like at least a 1" sensor, but my only real requirements are wi-fi capability and portability. Otherwise, I'd just like the highest quality photos possible in my price range. A tiltable screen would be nice, but not necessarily a deal breaker. Zoom isn't particularly important.

Any suggestions? I think I'm leaning towards the Cannon G9 X Mark ii, especially since it's $100 off on amazon right now.

>>3078977

Thanks. Was at a rally in my hometown in support of Trump, pre election. Bunch of skinheads showed up, as did a bunch of antifa idiots. It was fun to sit on the sidelines and watch them literally stab each other into oblivion.

>>3078890
Dang, recently spent a weekend in HK but didn't get time to go to Champagne Court, will definitely go next time I'm in HK

I know this thread turned into a GR circlejerk, but can someone give me an impartial comparison between it and the Fuji X70? I'm in the market for a compact as a secondary camera and those two seem like the best options without going over $1000 USD

>>3078863
>>3078865
I think the t stop is different though because for example a Canon EF lens can be used with a light booster on a EFS crop body because the light booster redirects all the missed light onto the smaller sensor idk which one of you is right but I'm pretty sure f stops don't change because the sensor size changes

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>the whole t-stop/f-stop/crop factor argument again.

Seriously? Can you guys not google? Do we have to put this in the OP?

And lets not forget that it doesn't matter how wide your aperture is if your lens is shit as taco bell shits until stopped down to f/8 (looking at you, fuji).

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>>3079184
GR biiiiiiih
Mexcept the GR wifi is godawful wow

Don't think I'll ever use it except when in a pinch

>>3079321

that looks like a dalmation with it's dick out

GR3 should get a tilt screen at the very least.

>>3079485
The only thing that matters is a solution to the dust problem.

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>>3077280
AND has a fixed lens

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>>3079497
This.
And if they add weather resistance while they're at it, the GR would be pretty much the ultimate compact.

>>3079502
Needs to be full frame to be the ultimate compact and at the level of the film ricohs

They also had an optical viewfinder and were slightly thinner

>>3079506

Maybe in a decade, but Ricoh Pentax won't be making cameras by then.

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>>3079497
>dust
Not solvable with the retractable lens mechanism, which is the sole reason that an APS-C camera can be so compact. Fuji's shitty attempts (X100 series) are bulky as hell and the X70's lens is soft as shit, while still being bulky.

>>3079520

I think you have camera body dysmorphia my man.

@3079527
I think you're a retard that doesn't even deserve a reply.

>>3079529

Lrn2quote newfriend

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Been too busy so I didn't even get to play with my baby, but it's been a really treat so far

I especially like how malleable the raw files are, I feel I can get them pretty close to what I would expect to see with film and it makes the jump to digital totally painless

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>>3079549
Your baby is an iPhone?

>>3079551
I had to resize it with VSCO, the Lightroom export was too large for 4chin

>>3079430
Mmmmm...lipstick

>>3079549
Nice shot, in dead earnest! It's something I'd never shoot because on the spot I'd think its pointless. I am only disturbed by the transverse running branch. Beautiful view, good mood!

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>>3079569
Thanks mate
I think this one might be a bit cleaner

And yeah, one thing I like about the GR is that due to how convenient it is, I can just completely carefreely bring it everywhere and document everything, doesn't feel like I have to go out with a focus and hunt for things

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Doesn't the GR II have big dust problems?

>>3079598
As much problems as any other fixed retractable lens camera

>>3077294
>With small sensors (like the rx100 lx100 etc) I don't see any point
You're clearly stupid. The sensor in the LX or RX is fucking huge compared to a cellphone.

>>3079598
Yes, it's a pain, and I wish they'd fix it.

>>3079598

You should expect to have to send it in for servicing to clean it out a time or two over the life of the camera.