Perfect cameras don't exi-

>>3059666
Hahahahaha!!!! Canikon cucks are literally on suicide watch right fucking now!!! Take away their belts and shoelaces!!! Hahahahababaha

Glorious Sony spam day!

>>3059667

Enjoying paying $4500 for green skin tones

>>3059666
Wtf I'm a sonyyger now?!
Thank you Satan

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>>3059717
>HOW COULD SONY PUT OUT A PERFECT CAMERA?! WHAT THE GUCK CANON, WHAT THE FUCK NIKON!
>NOTHING TO MAKE FUN IF ANYMORE EXCEPT CALL IT UGLY AND MAKE FUN OF THINGS I DON'T UNDERSTAND

>>3059666

That's an impressive tech spec. But...really, is that necessary?

I shoot a Ricoh GR

>>3059733
This tbqh senpai

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>>3059666
Satan GET.

Sony is literally the Devil himself.

>>3059666
>still less resolution and dynamic range than my d810

Nice try.

>>3059823
That feel when Nikon will never have any of the Backside Illuminated FF sensors.

>>3059666
>perfect
>not dslr

wait a minute OP

>>3059829
you wouldn't need backside illuminated sensors if your lens mount wasn't so poorly designed that it doesn't allow for anything faster than f1.4

>>3059832
>f1.4
FF E-mount has F0,95 lenses.

>>3059834
prove it dick lips

>>3059835
Voigtlander 40mm F1,2
SLR Magic 50mm F1,1
Mitakon 50mm F0,95
These only exist on E-mount.

>>3059829
>Sony literally cannot outdo the dynamic range of a sensor they sold to a third party brand 5 years ago
LOL

>>3059843
How do you know it doesn't have better DR?

$4500
4
5
0
0

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

>>3059847
That's actually cheap compared to the lesser spec. D5 and 1DX.

>>3059844
More megapixels=better DR
Less pickles=less better DR

>>3059841
>colorshift

>No 4K 60FPS video recording
>No 10bit

FUCKING DROPPED

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so does the a9 still have a shutter? or is this just the demo vid for 20fps? i mean sure if they got the DRAM fast enough to completely eliminate rolling shutter then losing the shutter would make sense.

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ayy lmao it's a sigma simulator

>>3059910
That's what I'm trying to figure out too. It sounds like either the memory integrated into the actual sensor helps off load the data from the sensor faster, causing minimal lag and jello effect, or its technically a global shutter. It's very confusing to me, because the images of high speed events taKen with the electronic shutter show zero jello at all. I suspect there are two modes for shooting, one is probably a high frame rate zero black out shooting mode at 20fps, and a second one that is still very high frame rate, and has some black out with their electronic shutter, which is probably just an lcd element in front of the sensor that can turn black creating a shutter. This is almost certainly what it is

>>3059926

it's either a global shutter that fires the entire sensor at once, or it's not.

there is no "technically".

>>3059923
kek

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20FPS, no blackout. it's actually shooting through the duration of the webm. also note that face detect AF coming in towards the end.

>>3059722
>perfect camera
It has movements now?

>>3059942

>literally walking around at two miles an hour instead doing of gymnastics

OMG AMAZING AUTOFOCUS

>>3059952
it was a demo to show no blackout. im sure there's plenty of AF demos elsewhere if you bothered to look

>>3059942
>>3059957
what does 'blackout' mean

>>3059957

Why would I bother to look? The burden of proof is on the Sony ponies.

>>3059959
EVFs traditionally "blacked out" (showed a black frame) when shooting C-AF, which means you can't see jack shit in the in-between frames

>>3059965
then fuck off

>>3059959
>>3059967
Even traditional DSLR viewfinders have moments during image shoot where the mirror blocks the viewfinder, giving you blackout flashes.

This is a next-gen EVF that receives its own independent low latency video feed from the sensor.

Give it a year and the price will have been cut in half when the A9II launches. That's how I got my A7 for cheap.

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>>3059973
It's been a year and A7rII prices have only gone down $1K for gray-market new. You're probably gonna have to wait a lot longer for A9 price halves.

>>3059969
So I found the answer to my previous question. 5FPS max for mechanical shutter (yes it still has one). Anything above that up til 20FPS is eShutter. Will be interesting to see how IQ from the different shutters compare. Traditionally eShutters suck for rolling shutter and also dropped a bit in DR, but the new sensor does have that DRAM.

>>3059973
That is true for pretty much all electronics. You either pay out your ass or sit on 6 month old technology.

>>3059967

No, go find a video showing good autofocus.

>>3059929
Wrong. An lcd shutter in front if the sensor, could black out the beginning or end of the frame at the point where the sensor readout is happening, capturing only the data being captured in the middle, creating an artificial global shutter. Red cameras have a patent similar to this that creates a global shutter on a system that doesn't have a global shutter sensor

http://www.red.com/store/products/dsmc-mount-ti-canon-captive

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>>3059666
Lel.
It's nice that hacks shooting muh sportsnnews keep getting forced to buy new $5000 toys every 8 months. Gotta keep them plebs in debt, amirite?
>real photographers back in the /fgt/, where they've always been

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>>3059984

>posts amateur format cameras

I mean, you tried.

It's just a Canon C model with a Sony body. Sony will just blend with it's movie features and every cam they make will be just a 'youtube' camera.

Sony consumers are so annoying

>>3059980
no go fuck yourself with a shovel

>>3059994
>Canon C
>20FPS
nuh uh

>>3059987
>in a sony thread
Sounds about right.

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Frame of A9 left vs A7RII right.
Noticeable increase in metal around viewfinder, grip, and around the ports. Interesting to see how the mount has changed.

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>>3059666
Seems like they took out LOG profiles. Not sure it it's accurate since there's a ton of misinformation out right now but even Sony page doesn't list any picture profiles.

>>3060019
It's been confirmed by one of the Sony reps at the presentation.

I suspect it's tied to limitations in the On-Sensor processor. But that's just speculation.

>>3059666
Looks like something Sarnehed would use.

>>3059987
>>3059984
But they're the same format as the A9, senpai?

>>3059959
https://youtu.be/6Q-nzcf8Pkw?t=66

>>3060037

An amateur format?

Yes? And?

>>3060050
b-but all the blog posts about the a9 use the word "professional" an average of 6.022×10^23 times?

>>3059666
>666
anyway, i liked you moop, now i dont

>>3059975
What's the difference between mechanical and electronic shutter?

There's an advantage to mechanical shutters seeing as people seem to care/there's even one in the camera?

>>3060108
>There's an advantage to mechanical shutters seeing as people seem to care/there's even one in the camera?
Only so long as electronic shutter is flawed.
If it no longer is flawed, and that's a big if, then Electronic shutter is superior in every sense.

Silent. Faster, 1/ 32K.
They have to add in optional noise from the audio speaker so the photo models know what timings to react to.

>>3060108

The way the sensor fires.

A mechanical shutter means that the entire sensor is fired at the same time. Even if it's in live view, the shutter will close, the sensor will shut off, and then turn on all at once for the exposure.

Electronic shutters fire the sensor line-by-line, all the way down. That means with extremely fast moving stuff, you can get distortion of the subject.

>>3059666
So, does it still take forever from power on to being able to take a shot? And does the image magnify when using manual focus still require two button presses?

>>3060116
The fuck are you on about? Even my old ass NEX-6 auto-magnifies with MF. Only reason you would need to manually magnify is if you have a full manual adapted lens, in which case the camera won't know when you're focusing since there's no electronic contacts.

>>3060116
You just KNOW canikuks are but hurt when they start justifying their camera choices with arguments like this

>>3060119
Which I did, when I owned and A7. Even Olympus does magnification via one button press via menu options. It would increase the usefulness of sony cameras by about a thousandfold for my uses if they only had a similar option. Up until now they havent.

>>3060121
Have you actually used any of their cameras? I owned an A7 for half a year, the startup time literally took a second or more until one could start shooting. If you leave it on continously the battery drains like crazy. I gave up after missing too many shots and bought a 6D instead. If their future cameras are quicker I would have no qualms about buying a sony.

>>3060127
Yeah a cold start on my A7 is like 5 seconds.

>>3060127
Yes, I own two sonys. An a7r, and an a6300. I have never been in a situation where I'm stumbling around in such a need for a photo that I don't have one second to spare.

>>3060129
Well, in that case we simply use our cameras differently, for your uses, it works fine. For me, it did not work, that is not to say that sony is shit.

>>3060138
Okay, I can agree on that. I use my a7r for more landscape stuff, so i have time to set it all up

>>3059984
>shooting sportsnews
>paying for your own camera
pick one

>>3059975
>mechanical shutter limited to 5 FPS
Why? It's not like shutters aren't easily capable of 7-8 FPS. And it's not a processor capability question, otherwise you wouldn't be able to shoot 20 FPS with the e-shutter.

>>3060167
I think they made the mechanical shutter more silent, so it can't perform as fast.

But it won't have to perform so fast, since it looks like the new Stacked Sensor has improved the electronic shutter, which is very much faster than mechanical.

>>3059666
Real moopcos don't use trips.

>>3059841
>Mitakon 50mm F0,95

They make the same lens for Fuji just as a 35mm lens :^)

>>3059722
>perfect
>$4500

>>3060114

There exist electronic global shutter sensors, of which Sony themselves have developed for their own products like the F55, or for products aimed at industrial applications (http://www.sony-semicon.co.jp/products_en/new_pro/may_2015/imx250_252_e.html).

The thing is, Sony has as well recently introduced mobile phone camera modules 3D-stacked with DRAM, that minimises barrel distortion created by insufficient interface speed between transfer and pixel readout (https://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201702/17-013E/), so as long they can keep developing and maturing this stacks processes for 35mm format sensors while incorporating bigger DRAM capacities as well the advantages of an electronic shutter are only going to be even more clear.

Maybe an A9R or A9II already benefit from improvements on this area, who knows.

>>3060533

Oops, meant to write "focal plane distortion" instead of "barrel distortion", sorry.

>https://petapixel.com/2016/04/04/sonys-full-frame-pro-mirrorless-fatal-mistake/
sony's ff mirrorless concept btfo tho

they removed color log profiles that they had in a7

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>>3060543

>this article again

All you have to do is look at actual lenses to see how false it is.

>>3060543

You could have posted Andrea's reply as well:

https://petapixel.com/2016/04/05/defense-sonys-pro-mirrorless-cameras/

>>3060543
reported

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>>3060617

>>3060543
>All those retards in the comments saying it's "just physics"
LMAO look at Leica's fucking M-mount lenses. Look at how small they are. Now increase the size by 1.5x and you'll have the theoretical smallest size of a proper AF + electronic FF lens.

>>3059831
dslr is a vestige of the film era

>>3060557
>sony 28 f2, metal construction
200 grams
>canon 28 f1.8, plastic shitbox
310 grams

It's almost like the Sony can use more efficient optical designs...

>>3060807
M mount lenses have a fuck ton of comprimises, sony filled the pro lens range before working on their dinky lenses.

>>3059666
Shame sony's custom service is a shit.

What's gonna happen when it break?

>>3060997
Theyve started their new pro service in the usa by partnering with lensrentals.com.

Next day replacements and free sony lens rentals for $100 (same cost as canon pro services) a year. Everywhere else in the world sony support is great as is.

>>3060997
stop being a gorilla and breaking shit.

>>3060997
>>3061001
> Everywhere else in the world sony support is great as is.
Wow pajeet, nice analytics you've got there.

>>3061023
German here, had a fault with my a7r, contacted sony, had it picked up, fixed and returned in 8 days.

>such bad support

>>3059876
i laughed way too hard at this

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>>3060989
>M mount lenses have a fuck ton of [sic] comprimises

Well, we can all agree that Sony and Panasonic are the master race of the photography and video.

>>3059666
It looks ugly, all the important functions are only accessible through complex menus, and it's expensive as shit

You can get a great film camera with some amazing lenses and rolls of film to spare with how much this costs
Not to mention all the time you won't be spending in Lightroom trying to get things to look decent

Digital is still decades behind

>>3061398
That copypasta complaint doesn't work anymore Anon. You have TWO different sets of custom menus now.
Plus, you have all the recall memory functions from the dial and custom buttons.

Just placed my order.

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>>3061585
It's a BIG camera, you sure you can handle this size?

>>3061588

He is overcompensating.

Bigger is better.

>>3061589

>overcompensating

So he doesn't have a small benis.

>>3061387
Too bad Panny still pushes their crippled DFD. Olympus destroys them on the photography part and is catching up with vid.

>>3061258
Spherical aberrations, vignette and coma are bad on leica.

Also, why did you add (sic), it's all spelt correctly you turd nugget.

>>3061398
>completely customisable menu system, 9 c buttons, 3 dials, joystick and custom quick function menu, custom shooting profiles for different button arrangements.
>you have to menu dive

This is why no one listens to anti sony cucks. You spout shit.

>>3061665

Probably referring to

>ton tonne

You also failed to notice "comprimises".

>>3061668
You put sic after the fact, and ton is correct, stupid clown shoes doesn't know there's metric and imperial.

>>3061676

As I said, he's clearly memeing the SI manual.

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>>3061665
>Spherical aberrations, vignette and coma are bad on leica.

>>3061683
Just look at photos taken with leica lenses, or voigtlander, they're compromises found with nearly all small rf lenses.

Or are you lacking in visual literacy?

>>3061685
You keep spouting shit out of your ass but nobody is actually listening. Just leave.

>>3061693
He's right though.

And you offered zero rebuttal.

>>3061706
>Proves no proof
>He's right though
Sure thing bub

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>>3061707
Pic related
Shot on leica 50 noct.
Clearly shows spherical aberrations, loca and coma.

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>>3061707
Heres the summicron showing spherical aberration and coma again.
Micro contrast is caused by loca.

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>>3061713
>f/0.95 lens
>>3061714
>1968 lens
are you even trying?

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>>3061715
Ok, heres the 50 summilux
Same 3 issues on show again.

That's 3 lenses, all on sale new today, all 50mm, all with the same issues.

Stay mad, or learn optics.

Not gonna bash it... nice camera, but for me:

>20 fps

I don't spray and pray

>60 AF/AE calculations per second

Miss rate is minuscule already

>blackout-free

This is just unnatural at this point

>silent, vibration free

Wouldn't mind that

>1/32,000 shutter speed

I don't use over 1/3200

>693 AF points

I use 1 or 9

>4k video

Literally never used video, and never will

Yeah, seems like the future is taking video and choosing frames like a pleb... kind of depressing. That's what this is: A 20 fps video camera.

Anyone else feel a crash coming?

>>3061810

U mad, poorfag?

>>3061810
pretty much how i feel about it. all these extreme setting might be useful in some fringe niche of photography, but i have never wanted 20fps or 1/32000s shutter. all i want is noise free high iso and accurate low light focusing

>>3061810
I'm feeling a crash for a while now. Sony is pleasing the retarded consumer, and they are getting pretty good with it.

>>3061810
Nothing wrong with video.

Is it true that the A7 series has a filter that fucks up focusing with an external flash? I do nightlife photography.

A9 is sick btw.

>>3061810
It's nice to have all those features but I don't think they'd make my photos better somehow. Maybe 1 or 2 shots I do could use an insane shutter speed like that but even then I might just be using it to justify my purchase ya know?

>Yeah, seems like the future is taking video and choosing frames like a pleb... kind of depressing.
It is kind of bothersome, but don't worry. There will never be a camera that can find the best light, composition, subject etc...some things a computer will never replace.

>>3061814
you

>>3061822
This seems like a money making tool, plain and simple. Never will you miss a shot again, you just sort through your 400 frames for the most usable/best one and call it a day.

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>>3059666
I see what they did now.

It's the Semi-Global shutter that's responsible for half the new improvements in this camera.

Whoever is responsible for this Key decision, they are crafty motherfuckers.

>>3061836
>There will never be a camera that can find the best light, composition, subject etc...some things a computer will never replace.
Autonomous drones could make all sorts of event photographers completely obsolete in a few years if a manufacturer decided to do so (disregarding e.g. security concerns at a heads-of-states meeting)

>>3061850
I don't know about that. That's the kinda stuff that gets blocked by unions and worker's rights groups. Automated trains aren't running in America simply because the unions won't let it. A lot of toll roads have not gone completely electronic/bill-by-plate for similar reasons. To name a couple of examples, anyhow.

Also, the drones would eliminate the "fun" of photography. For those people who simply need a body with a camera in hand to take pictures for them and don't give a shit, they'd probably suffice. But it'd be a sad day if all of photography got automated out of existence, and I'd probably hold a personal grudge against all the Silicon Valley types who are so obsessed with tech that they want everything to be done by a computer instead of people.

>>3059666
Looks sweet. I don't have $4500 to spend on a body, but if I did I'd be excited for that camera.

Until then I'll keep shooting on the camera I still have (d750), but I hope this gives Canikon a swift kick in the ass for upping their mirrorless game.

Why is everyone getting so upset? Who the fuck has brand loyalty for cameras?

>>3061718
>1959 version
Good job at finding fossil lenses you fucking retard.

>>3061930
>Who the fuck has brand loyalty for cameras?
Where the fuck do you think you are?

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>>3061718
>all on sale new today
Go find me a 7/6 Summicron f/2 new.

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>>3061718
>thinking a 1959 Summilux is even close to the same thing as the modern one
just kill yourself now you worthless existence

Okay, when would someone use the continuous autofocus feature?

Or when would someone even use anything that isn't centre spot?

My camera is set to centre spot, and I see what I want to take a photo of, I focus on it, and then I recompose. Do people not do this?

Why would you ever trust anything aside from yourself to choose what you want to focus on?

>>3062185
by understanding how it works well enough to predict its actions, as with any piece of technology, you stupid luddite faggot
I dont even like Sony but your brain doesnt work

>>3062190
go on...

>>3062194
Your brain doesn't work and you're probably stupid. The end.

>>3062623
He's raising a good point to be fair. No need to be so rude.

Yeah, relying on AF all the time is not always ideal. There's a plethora of photographers who either focus and recompose, select the point nearest the area they want to focus, or simply do not use auto focus at all. Of course, blind Sony fanboys do not consider this at all, so they make threads insisting it's the "best camera ever" when really, it's one of the best ACTION cameras ever. Possibly. We won't know until it's really tried and tested.

>>3062625
A7 series is also the best camera system to use for MF. The end dumb dumb.

>>3062634
It's really impossible to get over what a fucking brat you are

>a7 is the best camera for auto focus
Somebody clearly has never looked through a ground glass before. I'd be surprised if your balls have even dropped yet.

>>3062638
Lol what a dumbass. You can't even quote a post correctly. And I have medium format as well you pretentious snob. Not even close to auto-magnify MF + focus peaking on digital cameras.

>>3062643
>I have a medium format as well
Sure, that's why you're shilling Sony spray-and-pray cameras on 4chan. Right.

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>>3062657
>muh medium format is a super exclusive club

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>>3061398
3/10
>sony releases camera for pro sports photographers
>you can still get good film cameras that are easier to operate ;)

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>1/32,000 shutter

>>3062664
>I own a camera I bought at a store
>I can't even be bothered to post images from it, I just shitpost about Sony on 4chan

>>3062848
keep backpedaling retard. show us how great that brain is.

>>3062851
Do you even use that fucking camera or are you just a stupid shitposter? Serious question.

>>3062854
>b-b-but he probably doesn't even use the camera!
Keep backpedaling. I love it. And no I'm not going to show you images that I took just for you to start criticizing it and turning your dumb argument even further away from the asinine road it was already going down.

>>3062859
Lol at you actually thinking that manual focus on a digital camera with a battery sucking digital viewfinder is a substitute for decent ground glass on an old MF/LF camera. You clearly do not understand why people prefer certain cameras over others, and pro tip, it doesn't always have to do with which one does the best job holding your hand while you take the shot (Sony).

You owning that camera means nothing if you never use it. You seem to think that it does though. It's pretty cute.

>>3062862
>still saying I don't use a camera that I bought
Keep telling yourself that. Whatever makes you sleep at night.

Also, Prefer != Better
Digital MF + Magnify + Focus peaking is objectively better in speed and accuracy than any sort of film camera. If you cannot get that through your head, then you should probably just go and die in a ditch somewhere, because the human brain is obviously wasted on you.

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>>3062657
>>3062848
Why are you such a sour person Anon?
He posted exactly because you asked him for evidence, but it only made you more nasty and sour.

>>3062890
because he's brandfag A that wanted to shit on brand B but miserably failed when he realized that not everyone is a brandfag like him.

>>3062873
Accurate as far as the point of focus goes, yes. Faster, maybe, until you take prefocussing into account, but without magnify it's not as good, and with magnify you have no idea wtf is going on in the rest of the frame.

I'd call it a draw at best, depending on usage.

>>3061437
Who cares about menus?
Menus are dumb and this camera is terribly designed

Everything should be physically accessible, not via menus

>>3061665
>menus are dumb
>RETARD YOU CAN CUSTOMIZE SONY MENUS

Ugh

>>3063261
This one has 6 physical dials. That's more than your camera has.

>>3062730
Literally amazon deleted their ND filter recommendations from the product page - mode

>>3063265
Yeah, a bunch of useless toy dials LMBO

Literally all you need is an ISO dial, shutter speed dial, exposure compensation and lenses with aperture rings

This is a camera for nerds who hate photography

>>3063265
Nice try but I shoot a fuji. Ergonomic perfection.

Inb4 you demonstrate ignorance of fuji ergonomic options.

>>3063270
>Literally all you need is an ISO dial, shutter speed dial, exposure compensation and lenses with aperture rings
The A9 has all of this and more.

So why did you bitch about this in the first place?
>Everything should be physically accessible

>>3059666
>Tiny babby size camera
>Perfect camera
Kek

>>3063270
>Literally all you need is an ISO dial, shutter speed dial, exposure compensation and lenses with aperture rings

.. and a metering mode selector.
...and a shutter mode selector.
...and a way to change flash settings.
...and a way to change AF settings.
...and a way to set bracketing
...and...
...and...

>>3063277
You can make a small camera big by putting extra battery grip on it. But you can't ever make a big camera small and have it more discreet.

>>3061810
Lol get fucked taking video and choosing 6k frames is the future

>>3063281
Battery grip still doesn't make a camera big/heavy enough for me

>>3062185
Moving subjects, duh.

>>3063285
Then attach a Kg of lead to it.

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>>3063285
Sony's got you covered macho man. Tack this onto the bottom. 400g without any batteries. Batteries are 83g each so you have adjustable weight from +400g to +732g.

>>3063285
Lucky for you all good Sony lenses are Xbox huge.

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>>3063289
Why would they make that instead of simply a bigger battery grip?

Something the dimensions of pic related would be a good idea I think.

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>>3063289
>>3063288
So it's a perfect camera, you just need to stick a load of shit to it...

Here's a really good AF test: https://youtu.be/a4mL8iRtUQI?t=43

Subject was running straight towards him, and it tracked perfectly, even after he disappeared off screen and and came back.

>>3063294
It's optional, small is perfect for me.

>>3063295
>small is perfect for me
Exactly.

My point was that there is no such thing as a perfect camera.
Small cameras with grips and shit might be perfect for some, but others might want something entirely different.

>>3063297
But it covers all sizes, and can become all sizes.
Can you just admit yourpoint was stupid?

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>>3063293
Like they one they just released?

>>3063295
>Subject was running straight towards him, and it tracked perfectly

You can't tell from that video.

It keeps the GREEN SQUARES on the subject, sure.
But that's not AF tracking, that's just picking the AF points.

>>3063300
Except taller so it can hold enough batteries.

Note that's still tiny because the camera is tiny.

>>3063299
Like I said, even with a battery grip it's still too small.

>>3063303
>not enough batteries
>sony releases grip for up to 4 batteries
>but it's dumb and big
>sony has a standard grip with 2 batteries
>but it's small
are you dumb?

>>3063306
So you can just attacht more than the battery grip, until it's perfect for you.

>>3063308
You can only attach one battery grip. You can't attach more to make it bigger.

Why are you shilling so hard for this? How much do they pay you?

Just admit that your "perfect camera" isn't perfect.

>>3063307
>>but it's dumb and big

I never said that.

They should make a grip with something like 12 batteries so you can actually use it all day.

>>3063309
>You can't attach more to make it bigger.
Yes you can, there is a screw thread under the battery grip.

>>3063310
Tony got 10 000 shots on 1 battery.

>>3063269
but i want nd for long exposure

>>3063314
In under 10 minutes by just pressing the shutter button.

It's the EVF that burns through batteries.
I like to actually compose my shots, weird I know.

>>3063311
>The camera is perfect
>You just need to buy and add 500 accessories!
Yep, definitely seems like the perfect camera to me...

>>3063311
>there is a screw thread under the battery grip.

But no electronic contacts.

That's a serious design flaw.

>>3063317
No, its was all-day performance.

It's nice to see you guys panic over the A9 by the way.

>>3063318
It's more perfect than your big camera which can never be made small for people who want that.

>>3063310
you can get whole day performance out of a single battery

>>3063320
No because you don't need electronic contacts to make the camera bigger.

>>3063323
No, because the camera is small. Adding stuff to it to make it fit your needs means the camera itself was never perfect.

Perfect cameras don't exist, because it's impossible to match every single requirement of every single photographer.

What if I wanted an even smaller camera?

>>3063329
>Perfect cameras don't exist,
Perfect is the camera that can adjust in size.

>What if I wanted an even smaller camera?
In terms of full frame, the A9 is as close to it as you can get.
The advice would be to fuck off to smaller sensors.

>>3063333
What if I don't want Full frame?

The perfect camera is whatever fits your needs. Fuck off with your stupid shilling.

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>>3063339
well then you're outta luck elsewhere as well. haven fun with your P&S cameras baby.

>>3063339
You were discussing perfect size, not perfect camera. (there obviously is no perfect camera)

But this camera is the closest you will get to adjustable to all sizes.

>>3063302
Thisone shows each frame was in focus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEHbKghfgtY

>>3063342
No. I was discussing perfect camera.

To say that this camera is perfect means it should fit all my requirements, which it doesn't, therefore not perfect camera.

>>3063340
>The perfect camera
>If it happens to be the camera you are looking for
There, I fixed your shitty marketing. No need to thank me, shill.

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>>3063347
No you were discussing size, because your arguments were based around the size.

That's how low you have fallen, and how desperate your criticism has become. It's worth reflecting over.

>>3063349
I was using size as an example of one area where the camera isn't perfect.

Why would I buy a tiny camera and then pay more to get a bunch of accessories, when I could just buy the camera that is the right size and weight?

>>3063350
>then pay more to get a bunch of accessories
Slightly different argument, but equally as desperate. The A9 is already 2000 dollars cheaper than the D5 for example, so it's still cheaper until you exceed 2000 dollars worth of accessories.

The thing is the argument doesn't really care about what you by.
From Sony's perspective, they just have to release a camera that can please as many as possible, and that's done by making a small one that can scale up in size.

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And film still has better resolution.

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>>3059666
If the menus have improved and the EVF doesn't get blurry in the dark, this thing WILL be the new standard for sports and journalism.

This kind of camera will become cheaper and more accessible, and it'll lower the bar for technical knowledge.
It's only a matter of time until all that's left to think about is what you want your picture to look like, and all the technical knowledge required will be how aperture, shutter speed, and focal length will affect the final picture.


>>3061810
>I don't spray and pray
You can never have too many in-between frames.
>This is just unnatural at this point
reflex babby pls
>I use 1 or 9 AF points
good 4 u go have a cookie
>Literally never used video, and never will
It's always handy, and not much was sacrificed for its inclusion.


>seems like the future is taking video and choosing frames like a pleb... kind of depressing. That's what this is: A 20 fps video camera

If you get the picture you want, what's the problem? It does (or from what little I've seen, I think seems to do) everthing a DSLR does, but better. It opens up so many possibilities. Don't you see this is an amazing thing?

>>3063352
Nobody uses your film dinosaurs anymore gramps. And you still only get 40MP max out of MF Velvia.

>>3063355
I'm looking forward for the reviews on the EVF as well. It's potentially one of those paradigm shifts we have waited for.

Main menu is customizable now. So that's also promising.

>>3059666
>no weather sealing
>4500 dollars

>24mp
>4500 dollars

>shit skin tones as always
>4500 dollars

>worst lens selection on the market
>4500 dollars

yeah nah

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This is the backside of the image sensor. It has a connector to EVF right there on the backside.

That must be the trick to its low latency. The sensor itself is a computer, with with integrated processor, memory and display controller.

>>3063351
My argument isn't desperate you fucking shill.

You would literally have to be retarded to believe that this is a perfect camera. Either that or you are being paid.

>>3063366
I already said it isn't perfect. But size wise it's come close since you can scale up.

The alternative would be for Sony to release multiple cameras, but that would just make you even angrier.

>>3063363
very weak bait on all fronts. best i can do is 1/10

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>>3063357
>What is medium format for a fraction of the cost of this digitshit

>>3063402
slow dinosaur not used to shoot sports. anything else you want to add before you climb back in your grave gramps?

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>>3063404
I shoot digital an and can see past your cuckoldry.

>>3063409
good for you cuck

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>>3063411

>>3063413
ok kid

>>3063355
>all that's left to think about is what you want your picture to look like, and all the technical knowledge required will be how aperture, shutter speed, and focal length will affect the final picture.
But... that's what we've been since ever. Only gearfags would deny this.

>>3063289
Where can I find more info on this?

>>3063339
>What if I don't want Full frame?

Then set your Sony APS-C crop mode to "on"
BAM
full frame confirmed as perfect

>>3062873
>I prefer=!better
There's no better reason to use a camera other than being more comfortable with it, unless you're getting paid to shoot sports, which you aren't.

Also, you might want to look into someone called Vivien Maier. She could compose and focus candid street shots on a humble little TLR. No batteries and hand holding bullshit required.

>>3063491
http://www.sony.com/electronics/interchangeable-lens-cameras-batteries-chargers/npa-mqz1k

>>3063499

>Supports W battery cameras too

Shit, I want one now.

>>3063492
And what if I want a much smaller crop camera like a Fuji x100?

Keep trying Sony Shill, you will never convince anyone that your camera is "perfect"

>>3063606
Errrm, the a7 is a whopping 30 grams heavier and within 3% of the volume of the x100.

If you want small, the x100 weighs 50% more than the nex 3 and is about 30% larger in volume. It's a much better apples for apples comparison too as it's the same crop sensor and doesn't have ibis. And second hand prices, the sony is about £50, the fuji about 5 times as much.

Good job fuji.

>>3063363
at the end of the day, you are right.

>>3063607
I was at this point I'm decision a few weeks ago. Problem is that a similar fast and compact lens for the Sony does not really exist and also the you have to pay a premium for any kind of viewfinder in the nex line.
Nex 3 is fine if you want a better p&s but I couldn't recommend it.

>>3063663
>nex line
that's ancient. nobody should get anything older than the A6000 at this point.

>>3063607
I don't want NEX size, I want x100 size and form factor.

It's obvious that the only thing you sony shills care about, or can compare, are specs and cold hard numbers.

Face it, a perfect camera doesn't exist, and the fact that you had to resort to 2 completely different cameras proves it.

>This camera is perfect
>Unless you want something else
>Then these cameras are perfect
>But the original camera I mentioned is still perfect
The thought process of a sony shill is so interesting.

>>3063764
I don't think the problem is the other guy.

The problem is you got massive analhurt due to an trolling words in an OP post.
Your anal is bleeding so much from the hurt that you have been going at this for several days now.

>>3063606
>smaller crop camera like a Fuji x100
then you're dumb to want a $1K fixed lens APS-C turd with X-Tranny crap

>>3063764
No you are a Fuji shill in the wrong thread. Fuji thread is elsewhere.

>>3059666
Does it still keep the aperture stopped down while focusing? Because that is fucking retarded.

>>3063776
I'm not even sure what this meme is about, but my A7ii keeps its apertures on max during AF.

>>3063771
X100 is about $400 and has a Bayer array.

Just sayin'

>>3063765
>This camera is perfect
>But if it's not what you want buy these other cameras
>This camera is still perfect
Yeah, sure, I"M the problem.

Go suck some more sony dick you stupid shill

>>3063791
There is no one who says that other than a meme in the OP. You clearly have some mental issues you need to talk to a psychiatry about.

>>3063793
>No one says that
>Argues about why it's perfect for 2 days
Jesus, you sony shills are getting stupider every day.

If no one was claiming it was perfect then you wouldn't have had to try and defend the camera for so long, or attempt to show how it's so perfect.
If no one thinks it's perfect, then why not just say "Yes, you're right, there is no perfect camera for everyone" instead of shilling this camera so hard.

>>3063800
There still isn't anyone who have said it's perfect, outside of the meme OP.

You clearly have a brain issue that needs treatment with haste.

>>3063730
>that's ancient. nobody should get anything older than the A6000 at this point.
Anything below the A9 is trash.

>>3063369
>lists facts
>hurrr you're just baiting
end your life

>>3063802
>This camera is not perfect, and here's why
>HURRR SONY IS BEST! HERE ARE REASONS WHY!!!!
Is it really so hard to admit that it is not perfect? Why even respond to someone claiming it's not perfect, if you also don't think it's perfect?

You shills are trying way too hard to push this camera

>>3063811
Making up greentexts won't help you. It's a problem inside your head you need professional help.

>>3063814
the camera has major issues and is overpriced. Only autistic sports photographers and people who cannot take good pictures need 20fps and seeing as that's the main selling point, not anywhere close to a perfect camera. I don't know what sort of sports/event photographer would buy a non weather sealed camera in 2017 too

>>3063817
I can only say you're new on this website if you think the text in OP post is anything but a meme copypasta. The tripfag is even a false flagger.

>>3061815
>all i want is noise free high iso and accurate low light focusing
So true. I'm mildly amused by this thread with Canon and Nikon and also Sony bashing.
My 40D/50D seems to get good enough pictures for my customers.

>>3061966
>>Who the fuck has brand loyalty for cameras?
>Where the fuck do you think you are?
On a photography board. Or are you on a camera board?

>>3062185
A good facial detection could be good. I shoot underwater photos, baby swimmers. They dove for 2 sec and sometimes it's hard to predict where the parents dip the child, even though I try to instruct them.
But it seems like f13 gives a deep enough DOF anyway so dunno.

>>3063355
>>I don't spray and pray
>You can never have too many in-between frames.

Well of course you can!
It's really annoying to have your photo library clogged with duplicates! Sometimes it's useful and I did do this in the beginning of my photography career but for fucks sake. Take good photos, not many photos.

And if you get paid for photography more photos means more time. And more time working sucks.

>>3063806
>lists lies to bait
>gets called out
>hurr durr i was pretending to be retarded
good job cuck

>>3062664
>film
careful with that antique there, grandpa.

>>3063835
>Take good photos, not many photos.
If you have some sense and your reflexes are Stephen Hawking tier or better, you'd be shooting bursts that are much shorter than a second.

>It's really annoying to have your photo library clogged with duplicates!
>what is Bridge and Photo Mechanic

>>3061810
>Literally never used video, and never will
>Don't shoot high fps
>Don't really care for AF
why don't you just shoot glorious film MF then?

>>3064003

Honestly you are right.

It sounds perfect for him.

>>3063791
Sony has the perfect camera for every situation.

Smallest apsc camera? Yup
Smallest ff camera? Yup
Best quality ff camera? Yup
Best quality video body? Yup
Best lens quality? Yup

There is no perfect camera, only a perfect camera for your needs, and unless it's solely being used as jewellery and you have bad taste, sony wins every time.

>>3063817
It is weather resistant, to be weather proof it would need an ip rating, and things need to be submersible to get an ip rating. The a7 range work fine in heavy rain.

It's also $1500 cheaper than canikons sports/wildlife offerings, but is faster, silent, has no blackout and has intelligent af. Every pj will have one next year.

>>3064121
>Sony wins every time
What if I don't want the smallest FF camera? What if none of those things you listed fit my needs?

You sony shills are dumb if you think Sony is the only camera brand that people need

>>3064121

>best lens quality

Kek

>>3064224
You have been through the size discussion before, and you have been told the camera can be made large.
Don't accuse others of being dumb when you can't even remember your autistic screeching 2 days ago.

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The first Full Frame camera with perfect Silent Shooting.

No Dynamic Range loss.
No visible Distortion loss.
No image quality loss.

>>3064224
So what are you looking for?
If it's not size, quality, value for money or versatility?

>>3064225
rebuttals hitting hard.

>>3064227
And still not large enough.

Stop shilling for Sony so hard

>>3064360
You can extend the camera until it weighs 20 tons and more.

Stop being so retarded.

>>3064362
>This camera is perfect
>You just need to keep buying attachments for it

>>3064255
I have used Sony cameras, they have terrible ergonomics

I don't expect a shill like you to understand though, seeing as your only way of looking at cameras is pure specs and cold hard numbers

>>3064364
Is it normal for autists to not know what scalability and adjustments are'?

>>3064121
>best quality FF camera
>Sony wins every time
Not really. The Nikon D810 has nearly one full stop of dynamic range over the A7r II at base ISO's (the A7r II edges out the D810 at higher ISO's though, as well as having better ISO performance). Among the two cameras, portrait bit depth is about identical.

Meanwhile, the A9 is reported to score worse than either camera in all of these categories. I don't understand how a 24 MP sensor cannot edge out a 42 MP sensor for low light shooting, when the former is newer and from the same company. But it costs thousands more for 20 FPS burst. Amazing! (not)

I wouldn't give up the D810 for anything right now, unless it was medium format digital or large format film.

>>3064121
Smallest lens selection? Yup.
Worst battery life? Yup.

And the backlit sensors don't even do that amazing compared to Canikon.

https://fstoppers.com/originals/fstoppers-reviews-canon-5dsr-sony-a7rii-and-nikon-d810-89896
>After processing the RAW files through Lightroom, we had a very hard time distinguishing the 3 cameras from one another and ultimately decided that all three cameras tied when it came to the signal to noise ratio. We found this fairly shocking since there has been so much hype behind Sony's new Back-Illuminated CMOS sensor technology.

Gonna be a real laugh when Sony overpromises and underdelivers on this one.

>>3064421
They promised a battery that can take 480 shots.
Tony got ten thousand shots on his.

Looks like you will be sad. Sony under promised and over delivered.

>>3064428
But at what cost? Holding the shutter down and snapping jpegs only until it dies?

He also tested worse noise performance and DR than an A7RII, so if he is to be believed, it actually takes worse quality images than most available full frame cameras, including a 3 year old D810. 10,000 shots is nothing if they can't measure up.

>>3064451
How do you know he didn't shoot RAW?

That's the only way he even has a chance to compare DR. Use your brain for once in your life.

>>3059717
>not shooting raw
kek

>>3064458
There is really no way 10,000 usable shots on a single charge is possible with a single lithium ion battery in a camera that relies on electronics and computers for every single thing that it does. Not without using it in some strange way that would probably be a pain in the was in real world shooting situations. You could just as easily do one undisclosed 'test' that defies any reasonable assertion about battery life, and another test shooting RAW for DR tests.

>>3064695

Mirrorless use insignificant battery to release the shutter, most consumpoon is due to the camera being on.

There are tests of other Sony mirrorless where shutter counts vary from 300-900, but on time is always around 5.5 hours.

>>3064695
It's easy if you shoot 20 fps without the need to
A) actuate a mirror
B) actuate a shutter
C) fixed focus with VR OFF
D) don't follow CIPA testing in general

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>>3059666

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>>3064395
>d810 has a stop extra dr
Learn to read dxo charts properly.
Whilst the d810 has nearly a stop more dr, it has a stop worse shadow recovery.

>>3064695
Doesn't change the fact it can do it, and it's more than any dslr.

By your argument you could walk round with it on all day and only take one photo before the battery died.

>>3064421
That article is spouting bullshit though, notice how they haven't given their test shots or even labelled the comparison shot they have.
Here's someone that's been more open.
http://f64academy.com/the-canon-5ds-vs-sony-a7rii/

>>3061810
>>blackout-free
>This is just unnatural at this point

Can't imagine getting used to this

>>3064707
So in other words turning off a ton of features and just spray and praying. Got it.

>>3064718
>doesn't change the fact that it can do it
There are no facts though. If Sony is advertising 480 shots max and Tony has achieved over 20 times that number there is something he's not telling us.

>that article is bullshit!
Right. Any article that doesn't agree with you is wrong. Surely.

>>3064887
>turning off a ton of features
?
Enabling silent shooting is to turn on a feature.

There is absolutely no need for mechanical shutter or mirror in those situations.
All of your critiques only appl to last generation EVF and lastgen e-shutter.

>>3064754
>>3061810
Heh. Chelsea said she got used to it after an hour and had trouble going back to the D500.

I think the new EVF is going to be like a cocaine drug.

>>3064887
Dpreview got 8k shots off one battery.

As usual sony are under promising but overdelivering.

They haven't even announced what video codec they're using yet, pro tip, it makes s log 3 look like shit.

>>3064914
>They haven't even announced what video codec they're using yet,
Not that guy, Anon... But I think we are most likely dealing with the usual codec and usual bitrate.

I suspect they are most likely recycling the same old southbridge chip.
The first hint is the 1 single UHS-I connection. The other hint is the old USB-2 connection.
Added to the above, it would make sense why the sensor still does the rolling shutter, despite the sensor being 20 times faster than last generation. It's all bottlenecked by the old video codec in the southbridge.

>>3064898
>>3064914

>turning off features
What I meant was disabling the VR, focusing and likely the EVF or something related to it as well. And that's not how people are going to want use this camera. I'm sure you could get better gas mileage out of a car if you took out all the seats, radio, A/C and people, but at that point is not viable for any serious use.


>>3064914
>As usual sony are under promising but overdelivering.
Not "as usual", their battery life has always been around as bad as they've advertised it.

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>>3064920
I wouldn't worry about that too much. The lens stabilisation and EVF were probably on, since they tested all the aspects of the camera, and not just 1 or 2 particular configurations.
All of the videos I have seen also showed them using the AF all the time. So the other way around seems far more plausible, none of them had video with manual focusing,.

>likely disabling the EVF
Probably a mix of EVF being on and off. It makes sense to test both screens given the chance.
And even so, the large LCD has the same low latency black-outfree trait the EVF does.
We know from the unveiling the backside of the sensor has 3 connectors. Two of them goes directly to the two displays for low latency, and the third goes to the off-sensor buffer.

>their battery life has always been around as bad as they've advertised it.
That's my experience as well. But all of the reviewers are pretty much holding up this claim now, with their credibility on the line. So it's definitely promising.

>>3064912

Wow, she got used to taking video? Amazing.

>>3064930
Can I get some quotes on battery life? I'm several pages into google and everyone except Tony is saying sub-500 shots per charge.

>>3064960
DPreview got 8000.

I have not seen a single person say he got less than 500 shots. So it would be far more interesting to see your quote.

>>3064959
Bald and ugly fatographer strikes again.

>>3064964
All the reviews I come across are just quoting Sony's numbers. Nobody except Tony is saying that many shots were taken.

>>3064966
>Nobody except Tony is saying that many shots were taken.
8 or 10, it's sort of almost the same.

DPreview, Tony, the the camera tv store actually had their hands on the camera.

>>3064969
What I mean is most sites I go to just quote the battery life and don't write anything else. I can't even find the DPReview article that's quoting 8,000 shots, can you please link it?

>>3064969
>>3064970
Nevermind, I found this, finally

>Sony has rated the a9 with a battery life of 480 shots when using the viewfinder, and 650 shots when using the LCD monitor.
>These numbers reflect shooting single frame still images, and does not take into consideration continuous shooting.
>Yes, you can shoot the 241 continuous raw frames twice and still have fresh batteries. In my day of shooting,
>my final total was 2,805 images shot (1,639 of them were a combined raw+JPEG — I became worried about filling my one Sony UHS-II SD card borrowed to me so switched to JPEG-only at this time) with 30 percent battery left.

So you can get nice battery life from it if you're bursting photos. Problem is it still dies quickly if you're shooting frame by frame. I honestly wish you had an option for an attachable rangefinder window, something to frame the shot while the camera is off. That way you're not destroying battery life while you set up a shot and try to frame it with the lens you're using. Oh well.

>>3064974
Forgot link

https://fstoppers.com/originals/first-images-sony-a9-mirrorless-camera-sports-photography-full-frame-stacked-174758

>>3064959
daily reminder, if you drop your camera in the ocean, it dies.

>>3064959
Salt water literally kills all ILCs

>>3064718
t. disingenuous cuck.

>>3064974
>It can take 8000 photos!
>Can't even do half that
Sony shills BTFO

>>3059666
>Perfect cameras don't exi-
$4500 american dollars are you on fucking crack OP or just a paid shill

Well shit. It's officialy over for D-SAURS

https://youtube.com/watch?v=wv7ZVSnEtmA

>>3065050
>that super awkward over hand grip from the guy with the earring.

Why do so-called professional photographers do this?

>>3065050
>buffer writing turns the camera into a potato
>you cannot change focus while shooting 20 FPS (this is understandable, but needs to be said, because it severely limits how often you can rely on that high burst rate)
>some AF functions still cannot match Canon or Nikon
>battery life still sucks balls unless you do nothing but burst shots all day, which leads to first two above problem points

But it's not like most people are going to really switch to this camera anyways. It's always nice to have options. I'm personally waiting for the price of the A7s II to drop so I can throw my Nikon lenses on it and get to some crazy night shooting.

>>3064974
>I honestly wish you had an option for an attachable rangefinder window, something to frame the shot while the camera is off.

Problem with those is they only work for normal-ish focal lengths.

The perfect camera.
And I am talking real PERFECTION.
Would have a hybrid viewfinder that is an SLR style TTL optical viewfinder when composing and a digital viewfinder when shooting.

And Sony could have gone this route easily if they had stuck with the A mount. Many such design fuck-ups. SAD.

>>3065114
What I got from the video is it won't auto-focus AT ALL when shooting at 20fps.
Making the whole "20fps" pointless in all but a couple of situations (ie: subject that moves, but stays exact same distance to camera).

Though with AF on it's still a little faster than what Canon and Nikon have to offer, just not twice as fast.

>>3065123
Well I would reason that it focuses once and then never again. This might work OK if you're at a smaller aperture and the subject is moving across the frame in a way that it's remaining inside your plane of focus. But like I said, that's severely limited. You still run the risk of missing shots if you get a bunch of "perfect moments" that are out of focus. A solid 12-15 FPS with AF active is always going to be superior to even 30 FPS with no AF at all, especially if you're literally trusting the camera to get the shot for you at that point.

>>3065123
>>3065125
What are you guys even talking about? Every shot in those 20 FPS has the AF tracking.

>>3065132
Watch the video, 0:50 mark

>>3065137
The way I interpret that is simply the camera waiting for the lens' focus groups to move into focus before taking the frame.
This will depend on lenses, some are slower, some are faster and will reach faster speed.

You can't just say that 20FPS has no AF.

>>3065137
>just like the canon and nikon it needs to slow down when it tracks motion
what? D5 and 1DXII are both advertised as 12/14FPS with AF and AE. Do they not meet that framerate with AF or something?

>>3065143
What happens to those when you put on a slow lens with physically heavy focus group that moves back and forth slowly?

Either they would miss focus on a few of those shots, or the camera will slow down so they won't miss.
There is simply those two possibilities. So there is nothing new here, it's simply the old case of lens not being able to keep up.

>>3065141
>>3065149

With Nikon it only slows down when in "Focus" or in "Release+Focus" mode.
In "Release" mode it won't wait for focus. - this is the default setting on my D800 at least and I've never seen reviewers let the fps drop when doing focus tests.

>>3065050
>dat horrible buffer
>no XQD
>only one UHS slot
>3 minutes to clear

Yet another blunder from Sony. great marketing job though.

>>3065163
Because your D800 only shoots at 5FPS or some shit. It's a whole different story once you starting hitting 10FPS+

>>3065168
>XQD max is 440/400
>Sony's new UHS-II cards are 300/299
I mean that's not that much of a difference for the cost, size, and incompatibility of XQD. Since it's Sony they probably also limited everything to 150MB/s or some crap on the bus level.

>>3065050
There's something about the way he speaks and moves that bothers me
How long do you guys think it'll beuntil prices for the a7ii drop?

>>3064249
Why would the a9 have more noise than an a7r2?

>>3065359
I don't think everything is final yet. Wait for when the software we use gets updated for the RAW support.
Other people say the A9 is better.