holy shit... >693 points >20fps

>>3059642
Sony cameras are so fucking ugly

>>3059643
it matches the attitudes of their fanboys

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>4500usd

>>3059642
"693 AF points, so you never miss that precious flower picture in your backyard" -Sony™

Not too bad.
Still not gonna buy a Sony tho.

i'd switch to Olympus before i'd ever go with a fucking Sony no matter what

It's nice to see how mad everyone is.

>>3059648
>4500usd
HAHAHAHA

>>3059655
Sure thing poorfag

>>3059655
>1.5 grand cheaper than 1dx2
>yet shoots 6 more fps
>and has ibis

>LAN
>joystick
>touchscreen
>100-400 also announced
>full readout 6K to 4K from 24MP
>DRAM BSI sensor
>new silent shutter tech
>finally a better battery
Looks good so far. Only slightly disappointed with 240 or so continuous raw. Want to see how fast that buffer clears now that it uses UHS-2

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Lots of dials and shit. Also has the front grip dial.

When will the a7 III be released???????

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A9 gold, it's beautiful.

>>3059643
>>3059645
>>3059649
>>3059648
>>3059652
Hahahah!! Butt hurt as fuck!!!

I fucking told you faggots like a month ago that this camera was going to come out and you faggots laughed!

>>3059669
They actually don't care and were trolling since 99% of /p/ could never afford this camera. Fox and grapes.

>>3059659
To be fair the 1dx2 does have 4k60fps albeit in an unusable format and terrible crop. A9 is probably still limited in heat dissipation from a small body.

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>>3059648
Keep in mind that thing is probably the world's most advanced cmosis at this moment.

It's at the 4th step, 3D integration sensor with BSI CIS stack, on-sensor processor stack, on-sensor memory stack.

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I impress with sony tech.
Does sony fanboy in /p/ will really get this camera and use it to shoot wildlife and sport ?

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Does it have dual pixel sensor innovation? NOOOOOOO. Do not want

>>3059642
fuck off sonyshill

>>3059681
That just lowers the photosensitive area for the image and lessen DR and ISO performance.

>>3059681
>he uses autofocus when filming

yes canocuck

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>>3059687
>>3059686
You can't deal with Canon's superior sensor tech? Not my problem.

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Uh... Wow, guys?
The Record button as actually changed location.
This is the first time since the A7 was launched 6 cameras ago.

That must have been a tough pill to swallow for whatever head engineer who prefered the old location.
But bless his soul for not remaining ultra stubborn. He finally listened.

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>>3059692
Dat 60 FPS AF calculation though.

AF for Video pushes the boundaries for AF in mirrorless.

>>3059643
Sony cameras are absolutely beautiful. They look like modernized film cameras.

So they achieved blackout-free EVF.

That means they surpassed OVF when it blinks with the mirror slap.
The only question that remains is the latency.

so no weather sealing? Is this a fucking joke?

That's one of the most important aspects of a pro body

What the hell sony, this makes the camera for rich amateurs.

>>3059711
You're probably wrong Anon.

>>3059712
Not that guy but when they don't advertise it you know they don't got it

Does that mean the a6500 gets cheaper too now?

>>3059729
The A7Rii is only 7-800 dollar more expensive.

>>3059711
>>3059712
>>3059714

Does "dust-and-moisture resistance measures" fit the bill well enough?

>Protection includes sealing around buttons, dials, media jack cover, and enclosure edges featuring tongue-and-groove joints for double shielding to tightly interlock panels and components.

>>3059678

They can barely afford the a6000, and even then they're too busy shitposting. They don't actually use their cameras.

Go ahead and dig through the rpt threads. See how often Sony shows up. The most common camera is usually the a7, and that's only because some poorfags got memed into "muh full frame" and bought a used copy off Craigslist.

>>3059731

You know it doesn't.

>>3059734
I just need to be as resistant as the other DSLRs.

>>3059735

It isn't.

>>3059736
Because it's small?

That's the only clue you have. And it's a stupid clue to conclude from.

>24 megapixel

Nothing too fancy
I was expecting 35mp with these specs

>>3059644

>2.2x capacity battery
>still worse than literally any dslr
>probably still has equal performance to the a7 since it's pushing all those extra pixels through the evf, shooting 20 fps while figuring out which of the 700 points it needs to use at 60 frames per second

Kek

If they could insert a flap that protects the sensor when the lens is being changed it might be a game changer - otherwise, meh.

>>3059740
MP goes down, FPS goes up.

Actually, wouldn't you prefer 20MP and 24FPS?

>>3059741
I'm pretty sure people who spend 4500 on a camera can afford a few extra batteries

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>>3059738

Because they would literally say "weather resistant" or "weather proof" if it were, as that's an industry-standard term that everyone understands, not bullshit brochure weasel words like "dust and moisture resistant because the buttons don't just don't go straight into the body!"

Weather-sealed dslr's and milc's have rubber gaskets at every seam.

>>3059746
Rubber sealing isn't anything special, it might have that stuff too.

>>3059743
I always wanted the ability to screw on a filter right inside the lens mount. That would be so cool.
1 size for everything.

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>>3059749

It's actually extremely special, which is why manufacturers go out of the way to mention it. It's distinctly different from "tongue and groove" joints. Here's the D5's weather-sealing.

The A9's not weather-sealed. Again, Sony would say so if it is.

Seems like yet again they've just released another hobbyist camera.

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>>3059741
>while figuring out which of the 700 points it needs to use at 60 frames per second
It's a 3D chip, the processor sits inside the Image sensor, so it will barely use any energy at all.

And that's why it can do it so fast and responsively.

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>>3059758

It's sweet that you actually believe this, kind of like how a stupid kid believes his parents took the dog out to a country farm where he has more room to play.

>>3059759
Proximity is everything to latency. And they will both use the same advanced manufacturing node.

All of your separate external CPUs are relics of the past.

>>3059755
I agree with this anon.

Sony would have advertised it if it had weather sealing.

This is pants on head retarded. Trying to compete against a Nikon D5 // Canon 1Dx2 with no sealing.

>>3059762
>low latency is the same as low power consumption

what? it's still gonna process the same amount of data

>>3059764

or even a 5d4 or d810.

>>3059762

So.. this is the power... of the cell processor...

>>3059768
The 3D integration will help the processing latency. The is no faster way to contact your neighbour than if your neighbour lived inside your house.

It also means they use the same nm node, so we pretty much know it's not some old external CPU they recycled since the A7 days.

>>3059771

it's not about latency, fucktard. it's about throughput. that's a lot of raw data it's pushing through.

>>3059660

in theory UHS-II allows for a max of 300MB/s

This camera is 24MP like my A6000 so I assume the raw file size will be the same, around 20MB for a photo

in theory it should allow continuous shooting at 15FPS having a 300MB/s write card, which is not bad for a Unlimited buffer FF

I'll wait a few generations for the price to drop

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>>3059773
Wrong. Processing the AF + feeding the EVF is all about Latency.

Throughput is a secondary trait that's more important to the FPS count.

>>3059777

We're still talking about power draw, my man. You got so spun up on your marketing babble that you forgot.

>>3059774

I hadn't considered that.

>compressed raws needed for 20 fps confirmed

>>3059778
Power draw is mitigated by using more integrated and more dense manufactoring nodes.

>>3059777
What? this is about power consumption

>>3059782
Yes, and?

>>3059781

Helped, sure.

Mitigated? Go take a physics 101 class my dude.

>>3059784
yes its still pushing the same data as before. There is no magical power advantage to including the processor in the sensor rather than having it separate.

It just speeds everything up.

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>>3059788
You need to think back to the shifts from ddr to ddr2, and ddr2 to ddr3, etc.

Performance has always been a balance between latency and throughput.
You can get same performance even if the data suffers from worse latency, but you need to compensate with higher frequencies in throughput.

The reverse is also true. If you somehow suddenly gain magical latency improvement (3D integration), you can go down a bit on the throughput processing, and actually save power.

>>3059791

Are you going to see a 600% improvement in power? Or 10%?

that's been the core issue this entire time, dummy.

>>3059794
There is no reason to believe the presentation is a lie. It most definitely will keep the promised 450 shots per battery.

Sensor technology keeps moving forward.

>>3059796

So then I was exactly fucking right the entire time and you've just been arguing out of sony fanboy delusion?

neck yourself my dude.

>>3059799
No you said it would have same performance as A7. Nothing wishful and hateful delusion.

>>3059800

How many shots does the A7 get out of a battery?

>>3059802
Not 450, that's for sure.

>>3059802
About 250

The only thing that appeals to me is the shutter speed, but I don't even need that.

Nice, though.

>>3059807
>>3059803

Sony says 350, which is well within the margin of error for heavy shooting.

So basically, I was right this entire time and you're just autistic and screeching that someone make fun of your playstation.

>>3059643
>He cares about how his gear looks more than it's quality and capabilities

Nigga what

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Dat 3D image sensors.

Do we know yet if the video is 8 bit or 10bit?
This could be critical for the smaller models in the future when this technology trickle down.

>>3059812
That number has been going down to 340 depending on the model.
Now it's bumped to 480. That's not within margin of error.

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>>3059812
twice the battery and about 1.5times the power consumption from new EVF and more powerful sensor/CPU
Makes kinda sense.
New vertical battery grip with twice the battery capacity put it to about half the picture u can take with a dslr.
Not so bad at all.
Im more worried about true weather sealing

>>3059815
>That's not within margin of error.

It absolutely is with mirrorless. I see people all the time on this board saying how they can get 500 shots, 700 shots out of a single charge, but they use manual focus, no image review, etc. Heavy, consistent EVF and AF use will draw the battery more heavily. Keep in mind that all of Sony's projections for battery life have always been with minimal EVF use, shortest possible image review, etc etc etc.

>>3059818
>It absolutely is
Not. It's a 41% increase.

Those 500-700 manual focus claims will simply become 700-900 claims.

>>3059820

41% is less than 200% my man.

If Sony says you can get 350 shots out of their battery on Camera A, and people get between 200 and 600 shots? Guess what the margin of error is.

>>3059820
Man I own a A7r first gen.
If you use AF and you take 250 shots (not bursting into 250 shots like an idiot, but shooting 250 single shots) you will be at 10% battery left tops.

>>3059821
>and people get between 200 and 600 shots
Now people will get between 300 and 800 shots depending on the situation.

>>3059825

Cool, so it's identical to the previous bodies, just like I said fifty posts ago.

>>3059826
No that's called an improvement.You can't compare from manual Focus guy in Florida with an AF guy in Alaska.

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I didn't know shutter lag time was a thing. But apparently that's improved too according to Patrick Murphy.

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>>3059833

Why did they put question marks for the D5? The D5's shutter lag is a known quantity. It's 39 milliseconds for pre-focused, 4 milliseconds for manual focus.

>>3059836
It was from a youtuber, not from Sony.

>>3059837

it still boggles my mind that people get their info from youtube for photography. they are in no way more qualified to speak on this subject than any random shitposter on 4chan, and they lack the crucial element of discussion and dialogue, so everything they say gets treated as an inviolable truth, rather than just some shitty opinion by a guy trying to drive up ad revenue.

>>3059838
It's a little bit higher credibility because he actually held the thing in his hands.

>>3059845

it has zero credibility if he can't just google "d5 shutter lag time", and throws all of his claims into question.

critical thinking, my man. it does wonders.

What about fucking rolling shutter in video mode? It was always so fucking horrible on all of their bodies so if the chinks didn't eliminated this at least now, they can straight go kill themselves

Keeping 1 port UHS-II and 1 port UHS-I is kind of smart.

The UHS-I use lower voltage and less power, and can be set to jpegs.
The UHS-II can handle the raws.

The alternative would have them both use UHS-II. But that would just increase power consumption.

>Canon used to have CMOS sensor leadership, now totally destroyed by Sony

CANON IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT

>>3059873
Canon is in the baby league. They are currently at step 1 on this chart>>3059677

The thing Sony is taking the leadership for isn't actually the Photography. It's for Smartphones and Self-driven cars.
These cameras are just a small hobby to their engineers.

>>3059744
>wouldn't you prefer 20MP and 24FPS?

no.

I'd rather have huge super high resolution medium format images with great colour rendition and 6 fps.

>>3059642
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AREGOD7jf2s

where were you when canikon is kill?

>>3059884
1-2 more years and Phase One will release MF digital back with 150MP BSI sensor.

>>3059814
probably a fujifag

>>3059673
>wanting his footage to look like video games

>No 60FPS
>No 10bit

FUCKING DROPPED

>>3059897
watch the a9s come out in half a year or some shit. but really you should be using something like the FS5 if you're looking at video with a body budget of $4500

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>>3059897
Th-the AF sensors are 60 FPS.

>>3059901
4K 60FPS video recording

It's 4K 30FPS only, meh

>>3059901
>AF 60FPS
>4K at 30FPS
>literally AF's twice in a single frame for 4K
woah

>>3059911
That's because AF image is subject to analysis so the Camera can determine which frame is sharper.

>>3059642
>blackout free
o shit son
If the finder image doesn't blur up in the dark, this could be great.

Now if only they weren't so fucking ugly.

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what a qt.
the camera too.

>>3059919

that's a godawful promotional photo.

sony should just kill themselves now. what an embarrassment.

>>3059925
>>3059919
>693 af points
>60 hz af
>can't find the eyes

>>3059925
>>3059932
it's literally a frame from the video demo.

>>3059925
>>3059932
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKvn75TQ-b8

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Oh no. Now we will go into an era where Canikon fans argue for progression and touchscreen technology while Sony fans argue backwards against touchscreen.

This is the opposite outcome of what I expected.

>>3059941

Oh never mind it looks great then.

>>3059951
A9 has a touchscreen though

>>3059955
Strange. One of the videos said it didn't have that.

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Uhh it's weather sealed you canikon sheep. They don't advertise it as much as canon or Nikon because Nikon and canon need that one feature brought up because they lack elsewhere. BYFO

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>>3059958
Touchscreen is only used for focusing point moving, like the A6500. Really not necessary for anything else.

>>3059962
Don't worry, the Canikon babbies will say you can't dunk it in the ocean next.

>>3059891
Sony sensor

>>3059962

Or because to them weather-sealing is just some tongue and groove joints lmao

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>>3059977
tongue and groove is double shielding, meaning it's addition to whatever gaskets are already there.

>>3059981

Or it means that the tongue is one shield and the groove is the other. Until they show some skeleton pics or any of the schematics that all the other manfacturers publish showing the gasket coverage I'm (rightfully) skeptical.

>>3059982
Or ... or... yes keep on making excuses for your canon or Nikon companies who don't give you guys anything you want just what they want to release...kek enjoy that turd d7500

>>3059985

i shoot sony though.

i'm just super disappointed in this release. here was sony's chance to release a real camera and destroy the competition, and instead they released the a7 mk3 but charged 3 grand more for it.

>>3059991

The sensor alone is in a different league than the a7.

I did expect a little more out of this, but I still think it's a pretty great camera.

Not $4500 great, but good.

>>3059991
>i shoot sony though
>i'm just super disappointed in this release
doubt.jpg

>>3059993

so all sony shooters need to be brainless brandfags?

i know that's what they tell you in the literature, and why so many of you act like that, but think for yourself my man.

>>3060003
so what are you disappointed in you dumb shill?

>>3060004

that this is a marginal sidegrade and still a hobbyist camera, and not a true professional-grade camera worthy of a new numerical designation.

>>3060006
>marginal sidegrade
now you're just spouting shit out of your ass.

>>3060006
Me thinks you're fat, bald and angry, and not worthy of single stand of hair on the head.

>>3060010
>Me thinks
It's methinks. Don't use archaic terms if you won't use them properly.

>>3060007

>same battery life as the a7x models
>no global shutter in video
>no 10 bit raw video
>no 4k 60 fps (gh5 has this and 10 bit for 1/3 of the price)
>20 fps is electronic shutter only, it's only 5 fps if you want global shutter (nikon and canon are both global shutter and shoot much faster)
>20 fps will also likely be compressed or you'll have to use sony's expensive-as-fuck proprietary cards
>no major upgrade in low light or resolution, just middle-tier-jack-of-all-trades 24 megapixels
>no major announcement in sony professional services, who are substantially worse than nikon (the previous titleholder for worst in the industry, and a far fucking cry from what canon can do)

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If I was Nikon or Canon, I would think about jumping into full Frame mirrorless now, before the train leaves.
It's going to be expensive to license this sensor and stuff, but these image sensors for mirrorless are steadily becoming too capable.

The AF and EVF tech is here. Tokina, Samyang, Sigma, Zeiss are pushing out their mirrorless FF lenses right now. The only one missing is Tamron.

If they wait any longer, the train will leave without them.

>>3060014
literally half that info is wrong and meme-spouting
>sony's expensive-as-fuck proprietary cards
the fuck are you even talking about? talk about retarded

>>3060014
>sony's expensive-as-fuck proprietary cards

lol, this feels like you just startedtalking about the Vita out of nowhere

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>>3060018

which part is wrong? feel free to point anything out instead of just saying "HURR DURR HHGHHHNNN NOOOO WRONNGGG"

>>3060016

>he communicates in train analogies

very neurotypical.

>>3060027
>same battery life as the a7x models
>20 fps will also likely be compressed or you'll have to use sony's expensive-as-fuck proprietary cards
>no major announcement in sony professional services
all flat out wrong. kill yourself now.

>>3060033

Prove any of them.

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>>3059642
https://youtu.be/6Q-nzcf8Pkw?t=49
THREE ON-SENSOR AF PROCESSING PER FRAME
WE FAST AND ACCURATE NOW

>>3059662
I live dials. Dials are good.

It feels weird that there is now a joystick in addition to that circle pad dial. It's kind of an admission that the old circle pad wasn't good enough.

>>3060035
(You)

>>3060048

some spicy proof my man

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We are Straight Golf Club now!

>>3060051
some weak ass bait my boy

>>3059822
I have gen 1 A7r as well. Don't get the battery obsession. I have 4 batteries and spares fit in a pocket almost unnoticably.

All the battery talk is dick measuring bullshit.
>My M6 can go 6 months without a battery change. DSLRs suck, then. If you can't get 6 months, you suck.

>>3060053

that's cool, seems like it would be easy to disprove anything i've said besides just going full trump and saying WRONG FAKE NEWS WEAK TROLL

Add to that>>3060052

That is Silent Electronic shutter. But without the Electronic shutter distortion.
Completely silent, not even the faintest physical movement to disturb the sensor.

>>3060056
keep going boy

>>3060059

>he's going full "boy"

how 2 spot when someone can't refute something

>>3060060
boy

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>>3060060
I'm pretty sure you're just mad you got tricked into typing a big list for no reason.

Plus it means absolutely nothing, because most of it is false.

>>3060065

Prove it.

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>>3060067
He's so mad he only have enough for two words per post now.

>>3060067
b

>>3060069
>>3060071

oh man i am so mad that you guys can't disprove a single thing i've said and smugly assume you're winning the argument when you actually look like fucktards to the rest of the board.

ya got me!

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>>3060060

>>3060084
I mean, if you looked at press release you would see you are wrong

>ethernet port

for what purpose

>>3060088

>read the advertising material it's totally honest and trustworthy!

you should probably just end it now my man if you aren't ever going to exercise any independent thought or skepticism. you're what's wrong with the world.

>>3060092
I honestly thought you weren't trolling but I see I was mistaken.

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>>3060091
It's apparently faster than USB tethering and allows you to send larger batches.

>>3060094

Sorry I made questioned your PlayStation company.

you guys are worse about sony shitposting than fucking /v/

>>3060091

It runs Starcraft

>>3060098
I'm pretty sure there is at least 1 ninty drone or mustard race from /v/ on these boards. They ousted themselves before by using reaction image of one of the e-sport commentators.

That's where part of the hate originates from.

>>3060099
That's $60 extra in the app store.

>>3060099
Only Samsung's cameras did that

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That feel when nikonrumor admin is in a state of depression.
That feel when Thom Hogan is in full damage control mode.
It's like that feeling when the close family you know is dissolving before your eyes.

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>>3060125
Nikon has been going downhill for a while now with the constant rebrands and dropping the 1 line (especially the 1 P&S line that people were actually looking forward to). Their ancient lenses are still insanely expensive on the used market because they still fit the modern bodies. The only thing worthwhile in the whole system nowadays are the D5 and D500 for lots of money, unless you buy something like a used/refurb D7100. They have to realize that blind brand-faggotry always loses.

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>>3060125
How many levels of Sonyposting are you on?

>>3060137
Maybe he's just a Nikon user that finally woke up to reality?

>>3059692
Canon = Apple
every new product is essentially the same

>>3059692
actually Nikon has the superior sensor (D700 D4 and Df as examples). Sony is just becoming the Canon of the mirrorless, every shit they do is the same, and soon they'll be trapped because of nothing about it matters. They tech is just to show off

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>>3059755
>>3059764
>>3059746
>It's actually extremely special, which is why manufacturers go out of the way to mention it.
Well, here is your extremely special rubber seal wanking.

So do you approve yet?

>>3060131
>They have to realize that blind brand-faggotry always loses.
Funny, because Canon does well with just that.

You left out the D810 though, it's a pretty stellar stills camera. I'd consider it one of their best ever, honestly. And yes, I know that it has a Sony sensor too.

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One of the Pros who tested the A9 said he captured 2200 images and only drained his battery by 60%.
https://youtu.be/qsZJXktCglM?t=93

Not sure if he meant the Dual slot battery grip. But even if it was dual battery, that's still phenomenal.

>>3060206
It's fairly old at this point (everyone's waiting for the damn refresh), and I personally never saw the appeal behind the high res flagship consumer FFs from any company either ways (5D, D8xx, A7r).

>>3060197
Nikon sensor was better compared to Canon since they just bought stuff from Renesas. Canon still has the throne for dual pixel AF which nothing else matches. Even a billion PDAF points on Sony aren't as good as DP-AF.

D4 was marginally better than D800 at high ISO because of lower MP. Otherwise D800 generally performs the same or better across the board.

I'm mainly a sports shooter. All brandfaggotry aside, will we start seeing this camera replacing all the Nikon D5's and Canon 1DXmkII's along the sidelines of major sporting events?

>>3060223
It needs more long lenses with dual motors especially designed for the native E-mount AF routines.

But the 100-400 GM lens is a first good step along the way. And it will only get better and better once Tokina and Sigma gets into the AF lens game.

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>>3060204
>Most buttons an dials

Mfw my Pentax is fully sealed

>>3060204

No, it doesn't say that it's weather sealed, just "resistant".

Also,

>most buttons and dials
>pro

pick one

People are saying the A9 has faster AF than Canon 1dx.

Y'all motherfuckers need to read a book on advertising literacy and then one on Edward Bernays. Bunch of retards in here being played like a piano.

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>>3060232
But Tony said the EVF doesn't lag.

>>3059642
So since the a9 24mp rumors were true then I guess that means the a9r being 42mp is true.

>>3060246
Honestly I would rather see an A7R mark3 with Joystick, Touchscreen, New battery, Dual card slot.

I don't actually shoot sports. So I don't need Blazing fast AF, and I don't need the Next-gen EVF either, since the new EVF most likely needs 3D sensor with improved low latency video feed for said EVF.

So I can make do with older generation EVF.
And Sony doesn't need to redevelop a completely new image sensor with 42MP +BSI + 3D stacking.
That's going to be expensive as hell.
And I just want an affordable A7R series with the basic improvements:
>Joystick, Touchscreen, New battery, Dual card slot.

By the way, the rumours where not 24MP, they were 20MP.
Only some individuals were able to guess it was 24.

>>3060248

I mean, that's exactly what the A9r will be.

Don't let the different number fool you. This is just the A7 series.

>>3060251
In my opinion they shouldn't be A9 designation if they lack Nextgen EVF and 3D Stacked Sensor.

Also, I would expect an A9R to have much higher resolution than 42MP.

>>3060204
All of the A7s have been "weather resistant" back to the original one, when they were toting that it was weather sealed but then later had to change that.

>>3060222
>never saw the appeal
Simple, its for people who shoot studios, landscapes or otherwise want or need the res but don't need the speed of something like a D500. It's basically the perfect DSLR for me and nothing else at the time could match it. Nowadays it has contenders but I consider it a very solid camera. My favorite feature of all is a sub-100 ISO base of 64, and I was hoping this would spark a trend of cameras focusing on better DR and color depth with even less noise. Sadly that doesn't seem to be the case.

It also has a highlight weighted metering mode which is basically the DSLR answer to zebras in EVF. It works perfectly.

>>3059648
lol i was going to say, ya for 5 grand.

>>3059880
>These cameras are just a small hobby to their engineers
this

Sony doesn't really attempt to target pros, yet people still buy their cameras.

Canon and Nikon has extensive lens lineups, weather sealing and customer support, things that actually makes a difference to professionals.

Yet Sony outsold Nikon.

>>3060040
is it bsi now?

>>3060204
>put a large lens
>finger can't fit
just make it wider or put the mount to the far left

>>3060248
no, the rumor was 24mp
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/59011809

>>3060230
Spot the kid that doesn't understand ip ratings

>>3060316
if you're more excited about backside illumination on your sensor than your model something must be wrong with you.

>>3060353
i hope she is bsi too if you know what i mean.

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Sony is really good at the sensor strategy, they really know how to Maximize the few special sensors they have.

The A99ii - 24MP or 42MP? They recycled the 42MP for this, to make a unique offering by helping its slow AF with dedicated AF sensor, and to unleash the sensor at its full 12 FPS speed. And people were very surprised when they saw this sensor was capable of 12FPS all along if only it had a buffer to assist it.
The A9 got the other sensor, and people were against surprised by the specs.

As result, Sony now have two lines of really strong Sports cameras. One with High resolution, and one with moderate resolution.
And they each made a huge positive splash in their launches.

>>3060214
> He said she said

>>3060054
yea, let me just change the battery mid-exposure. fucking sonyggers.

>>3060489
>9001 images to go through every event
wew

>>3060566

>mid exposure

Shouldn't be an issue if your exposures aren't over 5.5 hours long.

>>3060558
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpUYjpKg9KY&ab_channel=LimpBizkitVEVO

>>3060585
LOL, I remember having a limp bizkit CD and borrowing my friends Walkman to listen to it
Good times.

>>3060571
>5.5 hours long*

in room temp, when temperature drops to -10C and bam, you're changing batteries every 10 minutes.

>>3059642
>693 AF point
>all of them shit

no thanks.

>>3060566
>>3060571

Does Sony even use more battery during an exposure?

I thought it was the evf what was the battery burner same as live view on a DSLR?

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>>3060566
>>3060608
Just connect it to a powerbank and you can exposure for a day long, fucking retards.

Since its mounted on a tripod anyway it's not an issue, bet your shitty canikon doesn't have this basic tech yet in 2017.

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>>3060622
except no charging via usb port in a9 lmao. stupid sonyggers.

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>>3060632
But it does, stupid CaNigger.

>Multi/Micro USB 2.0 port

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There is going to be a new Firmware update for LAEA3 adapter to make it compatible to A9 AF system.

But you have to send it in to Sony for update, since it doesn't have USB connector.

>>3060641
I'm pretty sure 99% of the firmware updates are done through the SD/CF card nowadays.

>>3059729
My question too. Really would like to use my Canon lenses with this via adapter.

>>3059642
Hope tis makes the A6500 cheaper.

>>3060669
That Lens adapter doesn't have such card slots either.

I was talking about LAEA3.

>>3060675
>buying a shitty adapter for sony shitty lenses
Well, it's not like it was failsafe.

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>>3060672
Sony is working on adding Tracking capability to the LAEA3 adapter so the A-mount lenses works with new AF.
Once the A-mount adapter is updated, it will probably be reverse engineered into Metabones and Sigma adapter.

The Caveat is the speed will drop down to 10 FPS, because the A-mount motor weren't made for this new AF routine. And the unfortunate part is it will affect your Canon lens too, since the camera will simply assume your Canon lens is A-mount.

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>>3059642
20 FPS = equivalent to 6,7 bracketed shots per second.

That's actually pretty fast.

It's a Sony, it will have an Achilles' heel.

Can't wait for the reveal.

>>3060711
I hope not. I would definitely kill to have this sensor in a D760. With the sheer speed it has, we would get more effective bracketing than ever before.

>>3060714
And at half the price

>>3060634
>But it does, stupid CaNigger.
>>Multi/Micro USB 2.0 port
Which doesn't allow charging while the camera is operating

>>3060702
>>3060714

Why are Sony shooters so shit an idiot proof evf isn't enough for them they also need to bracket their shots on top of that to avoid fucking up?

>>3060718
>Which doesn't allow charging while the camera is operating
It does. USB is just specs for voltage and Amps, it has nothing to do with how the camera routes the power source.

>>3060719
You should try it some time my man.

>>3060719
Oh you idiot. You're so blinded by hate that you can't see it will also be useful for things like the high resolution pixel shift in the K1.

This is very useful technology, and they did a really good job.

>>3060722
oh that's why sony just released the dummy battery and power bank that does not use usb. stupid sonyggers.

>>3060730
>be retarded
>be poor
>be canonigger

just fucking kill yourself t b h.

>>3060737
You cannot subvert the sonygger meme

>>3060718

Why would it not?

Last few Sony cameras have done so.

>No USB 3.1 Gen 2 10Gbps transfer speeds
>No USB-C connector

FUCKING DROPPED

>>3060777
Fuck USB-(C)rap. Cables and plugs are loose all over the place. Literally just google "USB-C loose."

And fuck retarded 10Gbps when just about nothing supports it, including your camera and card. Even the 1Gbps ethernet port on the A9 is overkill since you'll never reach those speeds for transfers ever.

>>3060091
dude, its fuckin awesome. industry standard, been around forever, fast as fuck. better than retarded companies shoving shit like usb-c or lightning bolt or some other shit that no one fuckin uses until they are forced to

>>3060669
no

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Oh my god....
https://youtu.be/gcIpuo_mJl8?t=219

The A9 is killing the 1DXii in AF tracking.

This is it. We've reached the point where DSLRs will go down, and down, and down.

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>>3060865
>blurred out DSLR
>white lens with red ring
>what could it be?
That OVF blackout is super annoying now that there's ZERO blackout on the A9. Also isn't the D5 supposed to be better than 1DXII at tracking or something?

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>>3060878
>Also isn't the D5 supposed to be better than 1DXII at tracking or something?
Probably, but they are taking one step at a time. And keep in mind the 1DXii is a 6000 dollar beast.

This isn't over yet, mirrorless will evolve further.

>>3060882
With the A9, Sony has literally put every last tech they had in the camera. Their smartphone sensors are usually a few years ahead, but now FF and 1/2.3 are even. There's probably not going to be that big of a jump in the next 3 years at least.

>>3060907
They are probably working on the Global Shutter. Increasing the speed and bandwidth through other means, new materials, more RAM. And most likely working in improving the video encoder and RAW encoder.

Particularly the Video encoder has probably held back the A7 cameras for wuite a while, and now it's holding back the video in the A9. Because I'm sure the A9 sensor is capable of much better video than now. (kind of like how the 42MP sensor wasn't fully unleashed until the A99ii)

>>3060343
Why the fuck do you reply to every single post in this thread you massive mongoloid

>>3060920
For more (You)s
This thread is just a big circlejerk

>>3060909
Global shutter will always result in decreased DR, which Sony is obviously not a fan of. Their DRAM implementation is a way to bypass that. I doubt they'll still pursue GS on consumer cams at all once DRAM improves.

Video is pretty much just processor + cooling. There was something said about BionX being limited to 8 bit or something in the past but I can't remember how accurate it was. Also, since people love comparing the Panny's 4/3 to Sony's FF video cam, you have to understand that the Panny body is not only larger than the A7, but that the sensor area itself is 1/4 the size of a FF one. Full readout FF with 10-bit and that other crap will almost certainly require a fan and a larger body to go along with it. If anything, Sony will probably release a FF version of their Cine line long before consumer cam catches up. While their low level Cine (FS7, FS5) are amazing, they still only have S35 sensors and also have fans built in.

>>3060946
>not using line skipping and hardware accelerated anti aliasing.
wew

>>3060950
That's retarded. Visibly far worse resolution. Might as well just stick with 8-bit in that case.

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>>3060946
>Global shutter will always result in decreased DR, which Sony is obviously not a fan of.
I don't think you have understood how their engineers think.

Higher resolution on sensor also decrease frame rate. People thought Sony would restrict themselves to High MP + Low FPS in one chip, and Low MP + High FPS in another chip.
But what does Sony do?
A99ii, you get High MP and High FPS both at once.
They will just try to find a way through the limitation again, this is what invention and innovation is all about.

>Video is pretty much just processor + cooling
I could see the on-sensor processing become more and more advanced, and more and more integrated. This Stacked sensor business is no doubt expensive, but I can see some sort of possibility in that direction.
Either that or more layers of RAM. Or maybe both.

>>3059642
>>20fps
>tfw I await the day for a DSLR capable of this to hear it sound like a machine gun

>>3061048
It's funny to imagine Nikon and Canon prioritize developing mirror flipping technology, while other companies prioritize developing image sensor technology.

>>3060950
>>3060954

Except for the A7s, all the A7 series use line skipping.

It's the real reason they don't perform as well in low light as the A7s which uses all the light that falls on the sensor.

>>3061050
The mirror flipping isn't the limiting factor.

It's handling the huge amounts of data generated.
Which is why higher megapixel DSLR's have lower fps.

Although 20fps might be too fast for any mirror, I don't know.

>>3061053
The limiting factor to transfer speed is in sensor construction.

The new sony a9 sensor is stacked, with memory and processing layered to the back, this is MUCH faster for data read out than any previous method.

And a mirror flipping up 10 times a second means you barely see your image and are effectively shooting blind.

Sony overcome both the data speed issue AND blackout issue. Oh, and they have a complete monopoly over the sensor industry right now as no one else can develop a competitive product.

It's all over, sony have won, now they've nailed the incredibly difficult sports and wildlife market there is no reason to ever not choose sony. Best image quality for stills and video and low light and smallest body and highest quality lenses and fastest most accurate af and ibis and fastest fps and silent and no blackout, no one beats them at anything!

Unless you're poor.

>>3061056

>bragging about monopoly

You're certainly very proud of things you never had a hand in, but you aren't doing a company any favors by bringing up that word.

>>3061063
It's not technically a monopoly, just that anyone else that's tried to come out with a competitive product has failed miserably.

A forced monopoly is a bad thing, a natural one just shows off how far ahead one company is compared to the rest.

>>3061053
>The mirror flipping isn't the limiting factor.
Still we have seen many issues with the mirror flipping, from bad mechanical duration, to leaking oil and stuff, and to causing way too much vibration against the sensor and the lens.

It's clearly been an engineering issue at some point in time.

>>3061063
I wouldn't worry about it too much. This just means we will eventually have safer cars and better mobile phones.
Rather, I think it's necessary for Sony to be this far ahead, otherwise the Canon brand will just overpower them like always.
And Nikon's woes have mostly been self inflicted, they would have been in trouble even if Sony didn't exist.

>>3059642
well, em1 mk2 has 60fps af-s and 18 fps af-c

Why am I moist?

>>3061052
>all the A7
A7 gen 1 was useless for in cam video (even A7S since you needed external recorder for 4K)
A7II doesn't even support 4K (again useless for video)
A7RII 4K is full readout for S35. Only binned for FF.
Considering it was only until the $3K A7RII for Sony to even include in camera 4K, obviously most of the prior stuff outside of the A7S only had video as an afterthought.

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Sony has started posting samples from this magnificent abomination. What say ye?

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What masterpieces. Such color.

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I am so overwhelmed by the superiority of these incredible images. I am so glad that Sony carefully selected only the best examples.

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Exquisite

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>>3061176
>>3061177
>>3061179
>>3061183

DELETE THIS

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Here's one from the new Sony FE 100-400mm lens they announced with the camera. I'm going to have to sell my Canon EF 100-400mmL II lens now that I've seen how superior the Sony product is. It's even more expensive so it simply must be better.

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>>3061184
>DELETE THIS

But these are from the new Sony a9. And the images are posted in direct reference to the thread, the subject and the camera. Even the pixel dimensions are within the required 1000 pixel width. Or are you jealous of the superior image quality of this new and expensive tool?

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>>3061176
>>3061185
That looks like a low light situation. Looks good to me.

Especially that video where they put it head to head with the 1DXii and the A9 had far more sharp hits.

>>3061192

>that video put out by sony at a sony conference where they compare a sony product to a competitor and the sony product wins

really activates your almonds.

>>3061167
Is there a reason why nobody circlejerks the EM1 m2?
It must have some sort of weakness you're not mentioning.

>>3061195
It says something about their confidence. What is your reaction going to be if you can confirm the same results in your own hands? Good, right?
So just give it some time for launch.

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>>3061195
>really activates your almonds.

Sony camera gets more focus hits but fires at twice the speed of the Pro Canon camera. Exposure, color tone errors and AF target lock issues means less accuracy and vastly inferior.

>>3061198

It says something about the critical thinking capability of the average Sony user.

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>>3061199
I doubt that. It's said to calculate exposure just as fast as the AF.
3 exposure calculation per frame.

So the auto exposure already has been Bracketed into the 20FPS burst speed.

>>3061201
My critical thinking is applied just fine to internet trolls such as yourself.

But I think it's fair to give the A9 some buzz into it gets into real reviewers' hands.

>>3061192
>that video where they put it head to head with the 1DXii and the A9

Can anyone post said video?

I am in general curious how the A9 auto-focus performs with subjects moving TOWARDS or AWAY from the camera.
That's the type of situations where so far all mirrorless cameras sucked, and it's absolutely critical for sports and wildlife which Sony claims this is a decent camera for.

>>3061210
https://youtu.be/gcIpuo_mJl8?t=219
Excuse the spanish.

>I am in general curious how the A9 auto-focus performs with subjects moving TOWARDS or AWAY from the camera.
He sort of does that in this test. But more in a zig zag movement, which the 1DXii had a really hard time predicting.

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>>3061204
>Each shot has focus bracket
>Each shot has exposure bracket
>All the way across 20 FPS
Is this the technology of gods...

>>3061209

Skepticism is healthy, giving a multi billion dollar company "some buzz" is a mental illness.

>>3061212
I sincerely hope the reviewers can replicate this experience.
Already I can see the removal of the "blackouts" become a huge boon. And a big point of envy.

>>3061212
Unfortunately he's really just testing the automated subject selection (ie: how the camera picks which AF point to use).

This has nothing to do with how well the actual AF points perform.
It's more about fixing the users inability to point the camera in the right direction.

Normally it's not so hard to keep the subject on or close to the user selected AF point, especially for trained professional photographers.
And when you do you want almost guaranteed perfect focus in any situation, anything less feels like your equipment is letting you down.

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>>3061225
>This has nothing to do with how well the actual AF points perform.
Check out the scene around frame 31 on the Canon side. He is smack in the middle of the focus point, yet the DSLR still misses.

His head had been within the focus point for a long time as well, I don't see much excuse for this kind of performance.

>>3061218
Blackouts aren't a big issue.

The video makes it look far worse than it is because the video frame rate is interfering with the blackouts.
When you actually look through the viewfinder it all looks very smooth.

At 20 fps you still get jerky movements which makes it harder to track your subject.
With an SLR you always get perfectly smooth movements, and even though it's interrupted by blackouts this makes it easy to track subjects.

At 20 fps there is also still some delay between the viewfinder image and the real world.
With an SLR you're looking at the real world without delay, again making it easy to track subjects.

>>3061230
>At 20 fps
The EVF isn't 20 FPS, it's 120 Hz.

Sorry Anon, but many of the the youtubers like Tony have been pleasantly surprised by the EVF, he said he couldn't see any lag at all, so I can only suggest you to try it out yourself.

>>3061229
For accurate tracking you should NEVER let the subject leave the area covered by focus points while servo focus is active.
Which is what it did from around frame 10 to frame 20.

With the subject out of sight it can take a long time for the camera to find it again after it re-appears in an unknown lactation, it might not even find it again at all.

It would probably have been better had the photographer released the AF-ON button, put the selected AF point over the face again, and re-pressed the AF-ON to tell the camera what the subject is.

>>3061232
>The EVF isn't 20 FPS, it's 120 Hz.

When you're taking a sequence of photo's at 20 fps the EVF will also be 20 fps.

The EVF cannot take frames with the shutter closed.

>>3061236
>With the subject out of sight it can take a long time for the camera to find it again
It found him again many times.

There is also some more questionable things, like around frame 120, it has him in focus, like full body shot, all the focus points where onto his, but the DSLR lost focus in frame 124.

>>3061243
In any case I'd love to see the AF performance compared without user error mixed into the equation.

You can always train to be a less shit photographer.
But you can't fix unreliable equipment.

>>3061238
>When you're taking a sequence of photo's at 20 fps the EVF will also be 20 fps.
I'm actually not sure this is what is happening. It looks like there is some 60FPS stuff going on behind all the technicalities, since that appears to be the rate which the camera does many of the calculations.
But maybe you're right. I think I need to read some technical review of how this new EVF is working.

>>3061249
It has nothing to do with the EVF.
It's just how photography works.

>>3061252
>>It's just how photography works.
In the old days, yes. But this one no longer even needs its mechanical shutter.
The built-in RAM is so fast, it's nearly on par with global shutter consistency. Who know what else the sensor is capturing in the meantime when it's outside of the exposure intervals.

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>>3059642
I'm a sucker for speed, but
>4499 US DOLLARS
I can't even afford a D500

>225 US DOLLARS per frame
This will be meme gear for years.

>>3061238
20 fps is electronic shutter only. Mechsnical shutter only enabled up to 5 fps

>>3061264
If anything we can always hope this technology will be trickled down the A7 family sometime in the future.

People are hoping the A7 mark3 will incorporate this exact sensor.

>>3061195
They have more to lose if they're blatantly lying, you mongoloid

>>3061268

>this is what fanboiz really believe

>>3061271
Yeah, you're right, there's not going to be any backlash if a company lies about their product and the consumers and reviewers find out about it, every person on the planet are a part of the big Sony conspiracy and you're the only person who can see the light!

>>3061275

>what is marketing
>what is the fact that most people are fucking idiots and forget about a product's failure to live up to the exact specifications exactly

>>3061238
Wrong. Check the vid again you tard. This isn't some dumb mirror dinosaur. 20FPS shooting looks exactly as though you weren't shooting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZXFI-eIXk8