AHAHAHAHAHAHA

Real talk though, the A7 has the ergonomics of a soap bar.

what you laffin at

>>3003697
isnt the whole thing about m43's that its supposed to be """"""""compact"""""""" ?

>>3003698
It also doesn't shut down after 5 minutes of shooting video to avoid bursting into flames

>>3003690
It's the same size as the gh4 & 3, so you're 3 years late with this shit tier post giganigger

>buy GH3
>put cage on it
>still works on GH4 and 5

>buy sony anything
>not even a year passes and a new and incompatible model comes out

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>>3003696
the real soap bar here

>>3003696
since when did ergos matter around here, the look of the thing is more important

>Sonyfags at it again

>>3003696

fpbp

>>3003690
if the a7 is as big as gh4 or 5 it might not overheat every 30 seconds.

anyway, 10butt 4:2:2, 400Mbps intra frame, full sensor read out 20Megapickle anamorphic (or just shoot 4:3 video).

suny is kill and finished.

>>3003698
That's why it was /invented/, but he gh5 isn't a compact, its a producer video camera.
There are tons of compact cameras and lenses if you want compact.

If I'm looking for a digital to make basic 4k video with, is the alpha7IIR better than the GH5?

>>3003885

No.

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>>3003690
>>3003698
but anon, micro 4/3 is compact :^)

>>3003697
left: big camera, tiny sensor
right: smaller camera, much larger sensor

>>3003928

What's funny about that?

>>3003947
Well one of these things is a fully developed, effective, professional tool, and one is a toy for gearfags, and the majority of /p/ posters don't understand which is which.
That's pretty funny.

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>>3003924
buttttt is it reaaallllllyyyy......

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>>3003690
that;s nice.

Now, put a zoom lens on both of them and re-compare. Don't forget to add the weight either :)

>>3003690

I'd take the gh5 over that sonyshit anyday

>>3003885
you will need an a7s + external recorder to beat the gh5.

>>3003721
At least the Leica doesn't look like a piece of extruded metal with a grip and "prism" attached to it. It seriously looks like a consumer electronics company designed it...oh wait

>>3004025
A7SII only outputs 8-bit 4:2:2, so even that won't help. You need a FS5.

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B-b-but the BODY IS SMALL
Big Sensor=big lens, fucktard.

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>>3004167
Cant wait for Sony to start crippling their "low"grade cameras so they dont compete with their professional cams, like Canon does.

>>3004179
Well, they already sort of do that, I'm pretty sure that the latest A7-series are capable of higher bitrates and 4:2:2 internal recording.

>>3004181

They definitely already do that.

>>3004185
wait, who does what? Sony gimps their cameras or the A7 records in 10bit 4:2:2?

>>3004187

Sony gimps their cameras. See also: A6300 and a6500.

>>3004179
>crippling cameras like Canon does
To be fair, DSLRs have no business in professional video, 5DIII and its ilk are just a passing phase like 3CCD systems once were.

There's no excuse for the video mode in EOS M5 though.

>>3003964
Yes, it is.
You can pick the biggest MFT cameras and compare them to the smallest FF camera all day, but most people who use MFT use the "slab" type bodies that are about as big as an rx100.

Sony's MagicLantern when

>>3004261
Unlike with Canon, most of the features people want already are in the stock firmware by actual Sony.

That said, you can go and make apps, or you can tinker around with settings and the firmware using OpenMemories & tooling.

>>3004206
The size of G7/GH4 is about the size and shape you need at minimum to function in normal hands
Most videopeople think that you should put it in a cage anyway and use that, but at the end of the day, the camera needs to stand on its own legs.
Look at the G7 vs. GX85. The latter has more and better features (except for a mic-input) but you'll still see people prefer the G7 because it's better in your hands.
Sony's A7 is unergonomic as fuck, not just because it's a slab with a tiny grip but also because of the button layout. The control-wheels don't turn properly and are too small to get a decent grip on them with one finger, hell the camera doesnt even have a switch to switch on Manual Focus, you need to flip a switch for selecting the different KINDS of autofocus to a specific position and then go down into the menu and set it to manual focus on that setting instead.
Sony's main selling strategy is fucked and also the reason why their fans are such obnoxious idiots: NUMBERZ! They always want the biggest NUMBERZ on their product so they can win dickwaving competitions on the internet.

>>3004304
No you got it backwards.
The cheapest MFT cameras are always the most sold. Same with any brand, or even any object at all. There are less gx85s than g7s because the g7 has been around much longer.

Yes I agree that for an enthusiast you need a good grip, big evf, and carefully designed layout. Customization is next to necessary for me too. But MFT was not ever designed to be that big enthusiast camera. They made their intentions clear in the early MFT days that they wanted to focus on maximum portability without sacrificing usable web quality or interchangeable lenses. The goal was always a camera somewhere between a p&s and a real camera. Even the g1 was too big for Panasonic's liking, which is clear as they tried to shrink it in the g3 and g5.

The reason that "big" MFT cameras are a thing now, is because there was a demand that was generated. People who bought tiny MFT cameras wanted to either upgrade image quality, ergonomics, or speed, without selling their lenses. Thus, gh3, g7, em5/grip, em1, etc.

I'm a huge fan of MFT, because of:
EXTREMELY low price
EXTREME portability. What other system with bodies, batteries and several lenses fits in a tiny bicycle top tube bag? With my phone and a power bank and cables and a snack?

MFT will not seriously compete with a ((newer)) Fuji x camera, a decent Sony f camera, and it won't touch a full frame flappy mirror DSLR.

Do not make the mistake of buying into a tiny MFT camera to upgrade to a bigger one- the performance is basically identical. Buy a tiny MFT camera because you already are a photographer who knows what they need and this is it.

>>3003690
it's also more reliable, better built, can record indefinitely, has far superior battery, doesn't overheat, can stand more of a beating, has superior video capabilities....fuck off sonyshill.

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Is there a reason why their bodies got so much bigger? Are newer gh models water resistant and all?

>>3006036

The GH series has been fully mag alloy and weather resistant since the GH3. They feel like mini 5Ds in the hand.

Every time I see people compare the size and weight of cameras I imagine a bunch of Eric Kim's sitting there collecting camera gear and shooting photos of their cats talking about how "size affects how discrete you are and therefore smaller cameras will make you a better photographer" while downloading the free VSCO presets on their phones

>>3006102
that's because it more or less is exactly that.
Unless you do street photography, size doesnt matter. and even then the Lens-system will contribute more to the size

>>3006354
>Unless you do street photography
Or unless you travel a lot like myself. Size is super important as I dont get 5 check-in bags in the airport you know.

>>3004178
>18-200mm lens

Well thats what you get, you can have small lenses on FF, or big heavy lenses, you got that choice anon.

>>3006036
GH1/2 were cheapo plastic bodies because Panasonic wasn't sure how well the idea would take off.
From GH3 onwards, they got professional build quality and became significantly more expensive. The "affordable video ILC" role was taken over by G-series.

>>3006361
and an equivalent lens will always be smaller for a small frame.
That's why Olympus' pro 300mm lens is about halv the size of the Canon Bazooka and why the Panasonic 14mm 2.5 is so tiny

>>3006360
Pleae show me a setup where the lens-size stays the same and the camera body makes an entire carry-on bag difference, I'll wait.
Lenses take more space than the body.

>>3006373
yeah but i dont just carry a camera body in my bag. its got 5 lenses as well.

>>3004124
Leicas look and feel like they were not designed to be held.

>>3003690
One of these can take video indefinitely, the other can't. Which one is which?

>>3006373
Pentax 645D with pancake lenses

>>3004189
>tfw you will literally pay another $2000 for the Sony a6550 that comes out in May where they just moved the red record button by 3mm

>>3006529

>Pentax 645D

All the ones under $2k have like 20% shutter life left.
And only Pentax Japan fixes them now.

>>3003690
>mirrorless
>compact

That would be nice, but lens manufactures still make the lenses the same size as for dSLRs

no fucking point

Where's the pancake 35mm f1.4 for Sony-E?

Oh wait I forgot there's only one, same size as the canon 35mm f1.4

>>3008168
You gain compactness by losing the flange distance. for a smaller lens you need to make the image smaller, i.e. designed for a smaller sensor
I don't think you know how optics work

>>3003714
>buy sony anything
>not even a year passes and a new and incompatible model comes out


Oh fuck man. This. I still have my A850 and love it. This shit right here pisses me the fuck off though. Fuck this propriety bull shit. Fuck Sony for pulling this shit with fucking everything.

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Where are they hiding the rest of that Lumix sensor?

>>3006360
Idk, I traveled quite a bit with my 7d and lenses really took up much more room than the body itself, no point in having a body that's like "20 percent smaller" or some bullshit when you're using the same sized lenses especially with Sony cameras where pretty much all native lenses and most adaptable lenses are big as fuck

>>3006354
Yeah exactly, the only time size comes into play is if you want a carry around camera and most full frame cameras are terrible carry around cameras unless you're willing to pay ridiculous prices

>>3008171
a 35mm lens must employ a retrofocus design on a SLR, but you can choose any design on mirrorless, potentially yielding a smaller lens without compromising image size or quality.

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>>3008471
A7 would've been an alright carry-around camera if it had compact lenses, but it's very front-heavy with anything save one or two lenses.

I'd very much like to upgrade my travel kit to FF, but any FE lens combo I can fit in the same 4-lb bag is so drastically less versatile that I can't justify it.

>>3006036
GH3, GH4 and GH5 are Panasonic's top-of-the-line video/still cameras with all the features. You can get one that fits in your pocket if you want

>>3008940
that Olympus 45mm is quite lovely

>>3009140
Not the sharpest wide open, the new Panny version looks better (but I'm not gearfag enough to swap)

>>3003964
I'd rather have an EM5 II than an a7r, the ergonomics are just perfect.

>>3008940
I have a set of olympus om lenses in 20mm, 28mm, 50mm and 85mm, they are dinky as heck.

The 28 f2, 35 2.8, 50 1.8, 55 1.8 are all considerably compact and lightweight too, there will be an 85mm and 20mm joining this group of affordable lenses later this year.

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>>3004345
>EXTREME portability
I can fit my OM-D, the 17mm 1.8, the 45mm 1.8, the panny 45-200, the Samyang fisheye, the 60mm f2.8 macro and a speedboosted 135mm f2.8 in a camera bag that I can carry around with ease. Lovely image quality off the lot.

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>>3009383
Well, of those, 35/2.8 is kinda slow (so there's little advantage over a crop sensor with a faster lens), and everyone seems to hate the 50/1.8.

Sony needs a small-ish travel zoom for the A7 as well. If they can make something as insane as RX10III's lens, surely they can do a compact 24-90/4 or something like that for FE mount. Might ditch OSS for extra compactness since they now have in-body stabilization.

>>3009533
>so there's little advantage over a crop sensor with a faster lens

Lol, no, that's not how this works. You get full frame because it is a lot less demanding on the glass so you get sharper images. And longer lenses produce smoother, more natural bokeh, which is why you get a much more pleasing aesthetic from a 50mm f2.8 on ff than you do from a 30mm f1.4 on crop.

The fact Fuji can't put together a crop body with the bare basics in it in a smaller and lighter package than Sony's top of the line full frame model is a bit of an embarassment.

Admittedly there needs to be more compact, not premium priced lenses, and they're coming now that Sony have the essentials for professionals available which was their targeted market since the A7 came out.

>>3009558
>You get full frame because it is a lot less demanding on the glass so you get sharper images
Nah, modern camera stuff is so good that for street/travel use I don't give a fuck, something like Fuji 23mm or this faggot's >>3009386 17mm is probably already sharper than I would ever need. What I want from FF is mostly extra low light and subject isolation capability.
Also, FE 35mm's bokeh is mediocre so that argument doesn't work.

>>3003696
Man I'm not sure about the A7 but I have an A6000 that I carry 1 handed by the grip handle with large lens attached and never dropped it. You must have parkinson's if you can't hold onto a mirrorless camera without dropping it.

>>3008940
recently saw a comparison of Lumix GH4 + a 35-100mm 2.8 and a Canon 5D + 70-200mm 2.8 and HOLY SHIT, the form-factor really is an issue.
sometimes I feel like getting the GM5 with a panasonic 20mm just to have a teeny weeny itzi bitzi set to carry around for snapshitting.

>>3008940
>
You know the kicker? Sony is criplling its E-Mount ASPC cameras with their mentality. by making E-Mount a FF-Mount they slap oversized lenses on tiny bodies and completely destroy the argument of compactness.
And even then they don't have the courtesy to include an actually grippy grip.

>>3009842

a7 grip is lacking for some.

I am a 170cm manlet with girly hands and even I can one hand the a7ii with a large lens though.

What is the most compact lens out there, which has a 35mm-50mm equal. focal length and opens to more than f1.8?

>>3011485
Easily some c count 25 12.5 or 6mm f1.8.

>>3011485
voigtlander 40/1.4 for M-mount

there are faster lenses of same or smaller size, but they are all made for joke sensors and thus won't give you thinner DoF or better low light performance

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>>3011576
The Voigt 40mm 1.4 is about on par with a CCTV lens wide open though, on crop, so you shouldn't really consider it a low light lens.

It sharpens up SIGNIFICANTLY at 2.8, below that, ehhh, only for effect

>>3011485
Prolly the Panasonic 20mm 1.7 Pancake
It's also perfectly suited for a GM1/GM5 for a minimalist street photography setup.

>>3011579
Well, he didn't specify a SHARP lens, only a compact and fast one.

>you shouldn't really consider it a low light lens
It's ok wide open if you keep your subject in the center, so it works alright for artsy-fartsy low light shots of people in bars and the like.

>>3009373
>unironically talking about sharpness
>implying sharpness is relevant to whether or not a lens is good

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>>3003924

>>3011579
why would you mount a freaking 40mm on a crop camera

>>3011579
>on par with a cctv

It isn't that bad. Sure the corners go to hell, but most of it can be posted out. As long as your subject is in the center there is no issue.

>>3012766

It is a great everyday lens on an a7. 60mm is a little long, but not unusable though.

>>3012766
Because I mostly shoot with an 18mm or 25mm. It's my reach. I don't need a lot of it.

>>3012748
RX1 is thicc af tho

also no zoom

>>3012702
It is totally relevant when everything else is the same