For a complete beginner, which of these would you recommend?

Follow-up: or is there another camera in the 350-450 price range (mirrorless or dslr) that is suitable for a complete novice AND boasts decent video capabilities?

Nice unrelated op pic op

>>2974610
it would be nice to know what they shot that image with. the exif data is all wrong and the camera didn't even exist when the album came out.

>>2974612
Any camera with bad lens would do.
If you're op get ANY middle-ranged camera with good fast semiwide lens.

But I warn you, you'll eventually want something smaller and cooler like a nice x100 or x70 or even Ricoh GR

>>2974607
https://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=yi_m1&products=canon_eos1300d&products=sony_a5000&sortDir=ascending

>>2974615
The form factor is making me lean more toward the mirrorless cameras than the dslrs. It seems that it would be best to get the camera that is more portable since a beginner needs the most practice. If i'm reluctant to carry the dslr then I wont have as much practice, and that kind of defeats the purpose, right?

>>2974619
I don't define myself a pro but still the camera's size is sometimes a problem for me. It's a rule that fits everybody at any level.

>>2974619

It's hard to practice if your camera is dead.

>>2974624
Fair enough. I've removed the Yi from consideration because the reviews aren't that great.

So here are my current best options:

$350
Sony Alpha a5000 Mirrorless Digital Camera with 16-50mm OSS Lens

vs.

$450
Canon EOS Rebel T6 Digital SLR Camera with 18-55mm EF-S f/3.5-5.6 IS II Lens + 58mm Wide Angle Lens + 2x Telephoto Lens + Flash + 48GB SD Memory Card + UV Filter Kit + Tripod + Full Accessory Bundle for $450?

>>2974626
Don't fucking buy the second shit.
I told you body + fast lens, not body + mediocre lens and useless uvs.
Get that body + equivalent fast 35mm (~40/cropfacactor)

>>2974630
Gotcha, I'll look around some more. Thanks

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>>2974612
>Cheapo box cam with fixed shutter speed around 1/30s - 1/60s
>Cheapo, grainy b&w film (e.g. Fomapan)
>Largest aperture setting possible
>Sunny / mostly sunny day about an hour and a half before sunset

That's probably not what Will Oldham used to take the Spiderland photo, but I've gotten similar-looking photos (see pic related) by using this combination.

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>>2974640
very interesting, thanks for the info

>>2974615
>>2974615
>>2974615

listen to this
I went through 3 DSLRs, couple 35mm SLRs, couple point-and-shoots before realizing this
not the "cooler" thing but smaller, something you can carry with you everyday