If you had one film camera, any kind, in which you would take

Leica M6 TTL 0.58 and a couple of wides.

>>2963488
Same but it has to be a black paint edition for the brass

>>2963487
The Nikon is pennies compared to the Leica. Dream bigger; get both.

Olympus om3 maybe just throwing thoughts out (op here)

nikon f3 or canon a1

Leica M4 + 35mm Summilux pre-ASPH
no need for a built-in lightmeter and 35mm is most versatile

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>>2963509
>>2963512
I was going to mention these
I love my RB67 but if I could afford that Mamiya 7 and the 43mm I would switch instantly

>>2963516
Would they last, I want something that I'll never sell.. Like keep till I'm 90 sorta thing

>>2963487
Leica M3 with a 50mm pre-asph summliux. I've had one for 12 years and it's still my favorite camera. Perfect build quality, great finder, simple, great ergonomics, quiet, and does what it's supposed to do without getting in my way.

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I already own this beauty. Looking into getting the voigtlander 28mm as well, but I'm waiting to see if cosina makes a new update on that lens like they did with the 58mm

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>>2963487

My FM2 and 35/2. It's what I learned on, and what I'm sticking with. Other cameras might have more features, different film sizes, better lenses, but it all doesn't matter. The FM2 keeps on ticking and does the job.

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>>2963582
>Looking into getting the voigtlander 28mm as well
Are you retarded?

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>>2963509
>>2963516

This, definitely a Mamiya 7.

No point in shooting one film camera for the rest of your life and having it be 35mm.

Anyone have a Leica m5?

>>2963604
I want a pancake

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all these small format cameras

go big or go home.

>>2963604
>Are you retarded?
>>2963625
>Yes, I am!

>>2963641

As tempting as it is for me to agree currently, will we still have 4x5 film 50 years from now?

If yes, I'll take my Graphic View to my grave. If not, RB67 hands down no contest, with a 6x8 back

>>2963644
Own your hate

>>2963646

It's far more likely that we'll have 4x5 than 6x7. Medium format is basically all but extinct, which is why poorfags like you are able to snap them up for dirt cheap. Large format still commands a mighty premium, however.

>>2963648
m8, if you must eat memecakes, at least eat quality ones.
>EOS 300 w/ 40/2.8 STM
>Autoreflex T4 w/ K-AR 40/1.8

>polluting your fm3a with obviously inferior iq mudblood glass
Absolutely haram.

>>2963604
>28/2.8
>not the 28/2

i think you should kys

>>2963656

The 28 2.8 is the vastly superior lens.

>>2963651
>hating on high quality CV glass
>wants a 28 pancake for nikon, recommends 40 canon shit

c'mon dude, why you trying to force your memes?

>>2963646

kind of this >>2963650
but not for the reason he thinks. 120 will be around as long as sheet film but it is a lot easier to make 4x5 home brew glass plates than it is, home brew roll film.

>>2963656
The f/2.8 AI-S is a legend, it shits all over any other manual focus 28mm Nikon.

>>2963658
also
>doesn't recommend the 40mm Ultron

>>2963641
4x5 is a pain in the ass. I haven't touched mine in 8 years.

>>2963666
and then you wanted sharp focus from foreground to infinity and it shits on itself

>>2963656
>laughingwhores.jpg
>>2963658
I'm suggesting that if you want a good pancake SLR setup, you should switch to a system that has one, rather than getting the 3rd party AIDS.
The Konica is the "nicest", and by a margin the fastest, if you want an on-fleek camera and are tolerant of "vintage" IQ. It also has the shortest flange distance of all SLR mounts, thus giving you the panningest kek.
The Canon setup will be the cheapest, and will give you basically flawless IQ at every aperture, enhanced by perfect metering, TTL flash, accurate AF, perfect film transport and lightest weight.
>>2963668
also
>if you don't care about IQ, USE THE FUCKING PANCAKE NIKKOR LITERALLY DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY FOR YOUR CAMERA

>>2963673
>pancake for pancake's sake

Literally retarded, holy shit.

>>2963674
>>pancake for pancake's sake
m8, that's the only reason to ever use one; the size.
They're usually slower and have worse IQ than most of the alternatves, and in the case of dispshit's desired Voigtlander 28mm, real ugly with stiff focus rings, scratchy apertures and perpetually loosening dress-rings holding the front element in.

>>2963677
>wants a wide angle pancake
>WATER U DOING SHOOT THIS NORMAL PANCAKE FOR COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LENS SYSTEM

>>2963487
In the same boat as you, wanted Leica for its high quality and ruggedness, ended up realizing leicas don't really have that much of a benefit and settled on the next best camera

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>>2963742
What was your next best camera? Honestly, If I'm going to get a camera I really want to take it with me until I'm 90+ (im 20).

The idea of this thread was that for my 21st my parents want to get some something sentimental, but at the same time, usable I watch is a watch with me.

If I was able to have help buying a piece of history such as a Leica or even just a built-like-a-brick-shithouse such as a Nikon F3HP or FM2a and two nice primes (35mm & 50mm) I just want something that is mechanically renowned... maybe even a Bessa?

>>2963663

That's a good point. There's also just a higher demand for large format in 2016 than there is for 120. It still has commercial application, and will continue to do so until all the old farts die, which is like 90% of the photographers on this board right now.

>>2963650

I paid 30 dollars for my GV 4x5 with full movements in almost flawless condition I had to clean the GG and install the sunshade on it.

I think I have 100 into my Schneider 180 and Synchro-Compur, and 50 bucks into my Ektar 127 in Graphex shutter that I had to disassemble and repair because it was stuck from sitting for 40 years

Poorfags can LF too

>>2963656

>28/2
>not the god-tier 28/1.4

bunch of fucking poorfags

>>2963774
>>2963772
>sugar
>not dying in a fire

pls go

>>2963772

No one cares what you have to say about some shitty cameras you found in a barn, fucktard.

Come back when you have an actual, real camera that someone with self-respect would use.

>>2963772
>>2963774
>Sugar STILL not shooting Sugar

im getting tired of waiting and will end up doing it myself desu.

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>>2963779

>all-metal Graphic View I 4x5 full-movement monorail view camera
>Nikon FE
>some sort of Kodak 5x7 wet plate camera
>not real
>who was Edward Weston
>who was Ansel Adams
>who was Group f/64
>mfw my second hand shitty LF barn cameras are still better than literally 99.9999999% of every camera ever posted and used on /p/ regardless of whether or not I can actually make decent pictures with them
>mfw digifags btfo with no recovery

3/10 I replied.

I use the FM2n as well and love it. Been involved with darkroom/alternate processes for years and don't really give a shit about Leica as a brand. Sure the glass is god but at that pricepoint?

>>2963784

But neither Weston nor Adams used any of your junky cameras. They used more serious bodies by Zeiss, Korona, etc.

And the FE isn't even as good as the FE2, which is itself a super common camera, so I don't quite understand where you're getting off with your special snowflake idea that your collection is somehow unique or privileged.

>>2963492
Even the OM-1 is a great camera. I can find no flaw with mine.

>>2963809
Mine has this weird issue where the aperture locks up when using my 50mm 1.8 at any f stop other than wide open, and I have to press the dof preview button to unlock it, but it doesn't do it with any of my other lenses nor does it happen when I put the lens on another OM body.

Either way, it really is a great system and the lenses are outstanding for the price.

>>2963809
>>2963810
Every OM1 has this weird flaw where it doesn't have the metering system introduced in every subsequent OM body that is literally the single best reason to ever shoot one.
>there's a reason the 2's 3's and 4's are worth more, you dummies
>also, when will the meme of mythical zuiko optics die; if the OM lense system has any high points at all, it's the macros

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>>2963604
>Nikon EM
r u a sissy?

>>2963800
>And the FE isn't even as good as the FE2
t. mentally challenged person

>>2963784
post your LF photos please
>>2963487
Smena 8M

>>2963886
>>Nikon EM
>r u a sissy?
see >>2963804
I've got 2 bb. The women's Nikon is an excellent camera.
btw, the fgt op pic was taken with my fm3a and Ais 24/2.8.

>>2963800

>John Huszar interviewed Adams for his 1981 film, Ansel Adams: Photographer. Adams recalled:

"Well, people have asked me what kind of cameras I used. It's hard to remember all of them. Oh I had a box Brownie #1 in 1915, 16. I had the Pocket Kodak, and a 4 x 5 view, all batted down. I had a Zeiss Milliflex. A great number of different cameras. I want to try to get back to 35 millimeter, which I did a lot of in the 1930s. Using one of the Zeiss compacts. In the 20s and into the 30s, I would carry a 6-1/2 x 8-1/2 glass plate camera -- that was a little heavy. And I had a 4 x 5 camera, then of course we went to film, to film pack, things became a little simpler."

>kodak brownie

>http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/ansel/sfeature/sf_packing.html

gg no re

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>>2963894
>I've got 2 bb
That makes you a double faggot.

Also,
>defends his retardation to death for a year with pure nonsense, he didn't even knew that those ante-litteram coolpixes were designed for women and his ass explodes when people mentioned it
>eventually buys a load of bodies because /pee/ bullied the shit out of you because of those 2 fagcameras
>has now collected more bodies than half decent photos
Sell your cameras and kill yourself kek

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>>2964013
>implying I didn't read exactly the same web articles as you before buying it, and didn't know exactly what it was
>implying I didn't buy my first one to replace a defective FM2
>implying there's anything actually wrong with them
>implying there was anything wrong with my second one, which I bought for 2000 yen from a stack of five of them in Japan because I wanted to shoot my new 28mm
>implying I didn't actually buy my FM3A on a whim, because it turned up in a local store for a great price, not because I needed to improve on some deficiency in the EMs
>implying I don't shoot the FM3A in exactly the same way as the EMs (Aperture priority mode) and get exactly the same results
>implying I don't actually prefer the EM because it's smaller and it doesn't have the FM's fucking wind lever must be cocked to shoot bullshit
>implying I don't miss the little buzzer telling you to hold the camera still below 1/30 when I shoot the FM3A
>implying you're not the one with the ravaged sphincter at the fact I have a sexual set of Ai-s primes to go on matching sleek black Nikon bodies and you don't

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>>2964150

Daily reminder this was shot on the EM's replacement, the FG.

Daily reminder an EM and FM3a will take the same picture on the same lens

Daily reminder you're a faggot for buying either one, the EM because the FG and FE is marginally more expensive and has way more features and the FM3a because the F3 does the same thing and doesn't cost 500 dollars.

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>>2964150

nice assmad, m8.

>>2964155
You embarrass yourself Sugar, pls go.

>>2964155
omg stop posting this shitty picture already

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>>2964170

No u

>>2964159

Never, the more you hate something, the stronger it gets. Rules of the Internet.

>>2964150
>it doesn't have the FM's fucking wind lever must be cocked to shoot bullshit
I actually like it. It's like a safety and a thumb grip all in one.

>>2964213
Yeah, which I guess is why you see it on literally no other cameras at all.
>number of inadvertent in-bag exposures from dozens of EM rolls: 0 (zero)

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>>2964244
My FA has it too. I kind of wish my F3 did. You're pretty militant about your fucking camera though, I'm glad you like it even if it doesn't have a safety winding lever.

As for the thread topic, this F3 would be my choice. It's just the perfect camera and it looks so slick too.

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>>2963509
6 is my dream camera but lately someone told me he much preferred his hassy and im wondering if the mamiya is as good as people say

>>2963922

but you don't have a kodak brownie, so I don't know why you quoted it, and also, who fucking cares what camera ansel adams used when he was literally 13?

you have the same camera as a snapshitting teenager in world war 1. great fucking job, retard.

>>2963749
>>2963749
my next best was the fm2, the fm3a is a better camera but i didnt really see a reason for paying twice as much for 2 more features, and trust me the leica is a great camera, and i might still get one someday but i really didnt want one because the price

also all these bullshit leica users like eric kim and shit talk about the leica as if it makes them a better photographer like "oh its all about the leica philosophy" and "it atttaches you to the subject" but honestly its really just some psycological aspect that they circle jerk to, i mean i have seen photographers who use 50 dollar cameras and theyre better than any modern m6 shooter ive ever seen

also all that shit they talk about with rangefinders where its all "oh the rangefinder is useful because you can see outside the frame and focusing is so fast" ive owned and shot with several rangefinders, and honestly you will never ever look outside the framelines because you should be focusing whats inside the framelines and focusing with a rangefinder is god awful, first of all you only have this tiny little area to actually focus with, which means you have to center the subject to focus on one (which subsequently makes you less subtle if shooting street or something) and if its slightly dark, a moving subject, or a strong pattern you wont be able to focus accurately

in all honestly my complaints are mostly about rangefinders but the leica is just a really fucking good rangefinder, of course youre getting god tier build quality and god tier lenses but other than that you really have no benefit (other than having an extremely beautiful camera)

honestly if its something that will last years then get a leica, its real heirloom material

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>>2963487
I just sold my M6 to go back to using my nikon FE.

the FE interface is so simple and easy to use. it fits my hands better as well.

>>2963617
underrated camera but i suggest you compare (irl) to bessa r2/3 and the m6/m2/m3/m4 before you buy as the ergo may not be for you.

you can definitely kill a man with that camera though

>>2964775
cool, I had the opposite reaction. I picked up an FM2 cheap and found it almost unusable after shooting an M3 for 2 years.

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Flame me all you want. I'm taking my Maxxum 7 to the grave. It never does anything wrong.

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>>2964150
>implying I didn't read exactly the same web articles as you before buying it, and didn't know exactly what it was
Exactly, otherwise your clueless ass wouldn't be insta-set on fire when Anon mentioned the women thing, while the fact you still can't see the key difference between the EM and basically any other Nikon film camera along this new wall of useless, pathetic post-rationalizations tells volumes about your precious-thrift-store-gear-on-desk photography, which BTW can be bought ten times by any self reliant man with just the money he got under the mattress, me included lol.

>>2964943
>lets sony-branded lenses straddle it like a $2 whore
Anon, I...

>>2964952
>no credible arguments levelled at the EM's effectiveness as a camera
Does it only hurt when you poop, or all the time, honey?

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>>2964975
>no credible arguments levelled at the EM's effectiveness as a camera
You'll find it out when you'll point your EMs at something moving and/or with mixed lights instead of just pointing it at the rest of your thrift store crap on the desk you should do your homework on instead of shitposting on chinese imageboards (ie never).

>>2964943
Can I instead make fun of the fact that it's got the LCD on the back which is objectively the worst place to put one?

I myself has an f3, i love it! It is so great and pretty. But an M6 would sure be my first choice if i had the money...

>>2965079
You're a fucking retard.
When you take a camera away from your face to check the settings, do you take it away from your face, or put it in your lap?

>>2965116
You're right m8, I'm a total fucking retard, how dare I look down at the barrel to see my aperture, the top to see my exposure comp and then TURN MY FUCKING CAMERA TO THE GROUND OR HOLD IT IN FRONT OF MY FUCKING FACE TO SEE THE SHUTTER SPEED.

It's fucking useless if you're not shooting manual, even then you're still more likely to be looking down at your camera to check things because your eyes aren't suited for focusing on something so close.
It's a stupid place to put Aperture/SS/Metering info.

I own an F3HP and an M-mount rangefinder, I wouldn't trade either one. Rangefinders are the best cameras for carrying every day, focusing is quick and easy in most situations, I find the quick frameline preview to be useful, and RF lenses are amazing. However they don't focus well up close, they have parallax, and you can never see through the lens.

SLR's do what the rangefinder doesn't. Fine, precise focus, and exact framing. I use my rangefinder for everyday usage and my F3 for portraits or other work.

>>2964937
this desu, people can hate on leica all they want but the m2/m3 are probably the smoothest feeling and best built cameras of all time.

>>2964251
Have a 50mm 1.8 AIS pancake on my F3. Wonder if I should go for that 1.4 instead.

>>2965466
I'm a bit over my 1.2, t b q h f a m.
When you look at a roll of negs, the difference is night and day between those shot on the 28mm and those from the 50; they're so much lower in contrast. And barrel distortion, and focus shift.
My next Nikon acquisition will probably be a 55/2.8.

>>2965164
In this case, you just might be a retard:
>a-mount lens....no aperture ring on the barrel
>there is an lcd on the top of the camera also that shows aperture and shutter speed
>Exposure comp, flash comp, drive mode, metering mode, ael, af/mf toggle and 2 aperture/shutter control wheels all mounted topside.
>Viewfinder display shows all information that is on rear lcd. There is never a reason to even remove your eye from the viewfinder.

Are there any other questions I can answer about the lcd on the back?

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I love this camera..sharp as hell and the metering works better than leica r4

I wish i had a fuji ga645 though

>>2965214
How does a rangefinder focus any faster or slower than a SLR? The split prism and microprism collar is going to be larger than a RF patch, and you can focus on the ground glass if you're feeling lucky.

>>2965466

the nifty fifty series E is all you need.

>>2965636
It depends on what you're used to. Rangefinders have a steep learning curve, but once you're good at it it's very quick. RFs also tend to work better in low light than microprism or split prism focusing aids.

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My 195 because peel-apart is fun, dammit...

...until the film's gone. Thanks, Fuji...

>>2965822
The 195 was my grail instant camera for a while. Real shame about Fuji, but here's hoping the founder from impossible can do something with this whole New 55 partnership.

>>2965774
>RFs also tend to work better in low light than microprism or split prism focusing aids.
t. never used a rangefinder.
>or only used a Leica :'(
Once it gets dark, there's not enough ambient light to illuminate your framelines, and the double image is too faint to detect, unless you're pointing it at a light bulb (or your semi silvered mirror isn't 40 years old).

>>2963487
my pentax k1000, had it for 30 something years. might as well take it with me

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nope, i'll take them both

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>>2965822
>blaming Fujifilm for you not having film
It's less than 1% off their business. You should be blaming everyone else for not having competing products already.

>>2963487

EOS 3

>>2969006
Competing products could not have been made - Fuji was producing it under license from Polaroid for the passport industry. It was reportedly phased out to convert the factory to Instax Square production.

>>2969003
anon you practically have to of the same cameras.

and the 50. 1.7 is better opictically u cuck

>>2969798
Oh wow, you're dumb.
They're about as dissimilar as two manual focus 35mm SLR's could be?

>>2969985
>They're about as dissimilar as two manual focus 35mm SLR's could be

So, practically the same?

>>2970006
;)
If anything they're more alike
>opictically
than in any other regard.