Bokeh/Sharpness compromise?

>>2931034
>Additionally, would fuzzing up the bokeh in photoshop afterwards help the bokeh look nicer?

what, are you gay?

>>2931035
no sir, but please continue

>>2931034

Bokeh is a one-trick pony and shouldn't be of any concern to you. You'll use it three times and get sick of it and realize that no good, serious photographers use it all the time.

Sharpness is also of no concern, as you'll quickly realize that content, story and even just basic shit like composition are more important.

Basically, you're getting hung up on trivial concerns.

>>2931040
>content, story and even just basic shit like composition are more important.

gtfo faggot. there is more to photography than street and journalism.

>>2931042

What I said applies to essentially every kind of photography except for maybe commercial, and even then "story" is important.

You'll realize this when you get older. Stay patient.

>>2931044
even if story etc is more important, the better the technical aspects the nicer on the eyes it ultimately is, or else we would all be just using our phone cameras.

>>2931044
>LIsten, kid..

lmfao!

sharpness not mattering is the literal mark of the poorfag pleb with shit lenses.

>>2931049

Arguing about sharp miniature lenses is for poorfags who don't shoot large format. ;)

>>2931049
>everything should be in focus every time

Pretty boring

>>2931059
/p/ has been bending over for street photogs and journalism for a long time, they think that every shot needs a story and that it has to be hard and gritty and boring, kind of like a liberal arts student who overanalyzes a book and tries to find meaning that isn't there.

Not every picture needs to have some sort of story behind it, sometimes a photo can just be done a certain way because it looks pleasing to the eye or because that's the way your client wants it.

>>2931048
Sometimes bad image quality can add to a particular mood.

lense? lindsay?

>>2931144
>/p/ has been bending over for street photogs and journalism for a long time
>bending over for

You seem like a reasonable guy with reasonable thoughts on photography. We should definitely consider your opinion.

Also, I'm not quite sure a liberal arts degree means what you think it does.

>>2931280

he added his points to the discussion in a clear way.

what have you to offer? your useless passive aggresive garbage?

>>2931303

I already said my piece in this thread in a clear, constructive manner.

>>2931307

whats your post?

>>2931144
bc anything that isnt a graphic novel is just m'aesthetics

>>2931311

I mean, does it matter? You're the idiot defending the retard who says we have gay buttsex with a photography genre. Nothing that you say in response to anything I've written in this thread will carry much weight.

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>>2931034
> compromises the bokeh (think Sigma 50mm ART)
That Bokeh is next to perfect. Almost perfectly circular across the whole frame - very easy to crop your 40MP or whatever shot with that.

If you want more speshul swirly bokeh, get a fucking lomo petzval or some nonsense like that.

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>>2931315
>gay buttsex

where was that said? i re-read anons post and cant find it.

>>2931327

Re-re-read it, and slower this time.

>>2931330

literally did it and didnt see any reference for gay penetration. are you sure you arent projecting at this point?

How can you guys honestly say the shot doesn't need to be in focus... At the the main focus of the photos needs to be in focus and the rest can all be bokeh, but you faggots ALWAYS have nothing in focus!!! Always blurry shit!! And you fucking love it!

>>2931351
At least the main*

>>2931351
>>2931353
There are no rules.

>>2931355

Hell, there is no such thing as "in focus".

>>2931361
In focus = sharp

Having nothing in focus looks like shit to 90% of people

>>2931366

"Sharp" is relative and poorly defined.

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>>2931367

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNxDBn0Fh_A

focus and sharpness can be dismissed only when your subject is overwhelmingly powerful. it can also be used as an aesthetic statement too.

/p/ only takes pictures of cats, walls, grass and trash cans, so, they better be some sharp ass photos of trash cans and walls.

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>>2931369

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Daily reminder bokeh and sharpness are gimmicks used to sell overpriced glass to gearfags and nubs

Daily reminder this was shot on a 20$ kit lens from 1987 with a 5$ polarizer.

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>>2931390

Thanks for succinctly and expertly proving my point that it's not enough to have everything sharp and in focus to make a photo good.

>>2931034
Why the fuck would anybody sacrifice image quality for bokeh
>hurr durr look at my polka dots everybody

>>2931034
Generally, yes.

Complex lenses are better for sharpness.
Simple lenses are better for bokeh.
So there is a trade-off.


Although I'm not sure it's also true for telephoto lenses.
Long primes have a lot of elements, but still produce very nice bokeh.

>>2931313
Have you ever heard of something known as the death of the author?

>>2931433
A distracting background can impact a shot far more than a few % less pixel peeping sharpness.

>>2931390
Nice one shugah!

>>2931325
The shape is only important for bokeh whoring shots.

Far more important are the edges.
On the older Sigma 50 those edges fade off when shot wide open, so you get a very smooth background.
On the 50 art those edges stand out, so you get distracting lines in the background.

>>2931437
yeah what are you saying

>>2931390
> Daily reminder this was shot on a 20$ kit lens from 1987 with a 5$ polarizer.
It looks quite much like it might have been shot on a modern $200-400 or so lens, so I'd say you chose these well.

I feel it makes the opposite point though: Since you *had* something pleasant with details to look at, it would have been nice to get a better shot of it, with a sharper lens and higher resolution camera...

>>2931315
Eat shit. He's right about /p/'s bias in favor of boring fucking "edgy" street photography. Almost all the photos praised are of people just walkiny around doing nothing. Just because you have the confidence to take pictures of people overtly in public doesnt make your photo interesting or especially good.

Street photog is 99% boring shit. It's only interesting when there is something going on, like a festival, celebration, riot, ceremony, etc.

No one cares about "how normal people look in 2016 i mus photograph dis for posterity" there is so much media out there now that 100 years from now people will be able to see everything about 2016 and it wont include your gay photos.

There is more to photography than edgy street garbage. Sometimes photos are worth looking at simply because they are beautiful. A concept completely lost on a modern thinker such as you sound. You actually sound just like the kind of person who sneers at classical art and thinks statues of shit and solid colored paintings are mindblowing. I agree with him completely.

>>2931342
>bending over

Are you fucking retarded or an uncreative troll?

>>2931554
>I feel it makes the opposite point though: Since you *had* something pleasant with details to look at, it would have been nice to get a better shot of it, with a sharper lens and higher resolution camera...

Gonna have to agree with this anon here.

I feel like different kinds of photos should be handled by different types of cameras.

If we excuse the matter of expense, we can all agree if Alex took this shot on his 4x5 it would look incredibly more colorful and detailed. While I think your subject is pretty, I dont feel your photograph itself is pretty. I dont get a sweet emotion out of it.

IMO,
Events, family activities, sports, vacation and other fast paced things but also simple things should be handled by a 35mm.

Formal portraits, landscape, formal architecture, and other slower paced things should be shot on either MF or LF, situation and ease depending.

On top of that, there is no reason to reject the thought of owning superior lenses if you can afford them. There's no need to gloat about a $20 lens even though I think it's fine, it just makes you sound like a hipster with hubris.

>>2931730

It's strange that the two of you (you and the guy you're defending) have an obsession with stuff you don't like being "gay". I won't read into it too much, but have you ever considered that you yourself might be a macho manly man who ain't got no time for none of that queer shit?

>>2931757
>muh Freudian psychology is the answer to everything

No you're just a cunt.

>>2931034
Sony 55 f1.8 is stupidly sharp and has arguably the nicest bokeh of any oem normal prime.

>>2931390
>purple tinge to highlights
>soft corners
>not really sharp anywhere
>low contrast

Thanks for showing that cheap/'affordable' lenses produce bad image quality.

>>2931768

That's not Freudian, dummy.

>>2931390
Wow! It's dominated by a big, ugly, boring rock that's almost sharp, with all the interesting and colorful jungle and water features blurry and out of focus! Great work.

>>2931390

all of that looks man made. boring and gay.

>>2931390
>"yep that's a rock alright"

I really don't think Bokeh is as big a deal as you make it out to be. In the end, nobody really cares if the bokeh is more round or more frantic other than autists who seriously read dpreview.
Go for sharpness.

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>>2931390
>Bokeh and sharpness are gimmicks
That's why I only use a 15mm bodycap lens

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>>2932098
I'm confident I'll finally see a good photo by you eventually.
Eventually.

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>>2932146
I hide all my world class award winning prints from P in a secret locker due to copyright concerns.

>>2931825
Freudian is not limited to everything being phallic

>>2932148
Post one without memegrain

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>>2932181
Why you ever wouldn't add grain is beyond me.

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>>2932297
>failing at such a simple photo

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>>2932357
What about it is "failed"?

>>2932357

dslrscan shill bringing the visual bantz.

>>2931034
>24-70 meme

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>>2932635

looks like a bad 50 1.4 lens from the 70s open wide.

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>>2932642
I'm pretty ok with a bokeh with "personality. Doesn't look bad to me.
>taking about 50mm from the 70s
pic related is Pentax-M 50mm f1.7

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>>2932775
completely ruined by the window glare

>>2932812
This...should have moved a smidge farther to the right.

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>>2932812
>>2932813
Thanks. I spray-and-prayed, beautiful place there.

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The main benefit of Bokeh is that is isolates the subject and draw focus to the subject in the frame. In addition to this, the human eye seems to find bokeh pleasing in many instances.

However, if you want to shoot wide open with a wide aperture lens (eg f/1.2), you may need to add a filter (or use a faster shutter speed) - depending on your camera.

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>>2933142
What a waste of a 85mm f1.2. Give it to me, scrub!

>1/2500
>freaking underexposure
>f/1.2
>that framing
>those horrible shadows on the face

>>2933171

Looks like a candid shot taken on a beach without a flash. Framing? Looks like the user had a 6D and made sure the center AF reticule was used but didn't bother to crop the picture.

This thread is about Bokeh, not framing and exposure. It looks to be a good example to me.

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Two different cameras. One with a shallow DOF lens. I can see why architecture and landscape photographers don't want bokeh or shallow DOF but it's great for drawing attention to a subject.

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>>2933176
>candid shot taken on a beach without a flash
You meant to tell me that it wasn't staged at all? Wow, it looks like those pro shoots in the magazines...
>made sure the center AF reticule was used
That's what the other points are for.
>but didn't bother to crop the picture
Cropping wouldn't even fix it.
>This thread is about Bokeh, not framing and exposure
His camera in green square mode would have calculated a better exposure and deliver a far better result than this turd. But you're right, the bokeh is nice.

Pic is russian 135mm sonnar-copy.

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>>2933184
>russian 135mm sonnar-copy.

had that one. its freakingly sharp. ended up selling it.

My depth of field remains exactly the same if I set my 50mm to 1.7 or 22. Am I retarded?

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>>2933311
That's not how a lens work, so yes, you're doing something wrong.

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>>2933311
Lenses on a lot of cameras are wide open for focusing and composition, and stop down very quickly when you press the shutter release. You'll probably find a DoF preview button somewhere.

>>2933326
Its a manual lens

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>>2933342
Even for manual lenses. This is almost (?) always the case for SLR lenses. Do the photos you take at different apertures look the same? How about exposure length at different apertures?

>>2933345
>dat sharpness
>dose unholy chromabs even with in-camera corrections

>>2933311
Yes the lens will stay wide open until you take the picture. The lens doesn't stop down until then because you wouldn't be able to see anything in the viewfinder at f22 from it being so dark.

To confess, fast lenses give me a semi, just bought a 50 2.0, although I normally shoot 4.5 or lower... the glass just looks sexy.dgaf about bokeh though...

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>>2933362
Fast glass is often pretty sharp stopped down. Not typically as sharp as slower ultra high acuity centric lenses, but pretty damn sharp. I don't find a problem with not shooting wide open personally. It's also nice to have the f1.4 when you need the light.

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>>2933311
>>2933342
>Not knowing that old film cameras will keep the aperture open until you take the shot for focusing and metering