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Does anyone here still shoot LF? I had to sell all my equipment a year ago, due to financial issues. I'm now looking to get some new gear. What I've had before was a Wista Field 8x10, which was ok and a Tachihara 4x5 which also was okay.
This time I will be going for either a shen-hao 4x5 or a Chamonix 4x5. Anyone here got experience with these cameras?
I seriously want a camera with axis tilt.
Here, have a shitty LF pic. It's 8x10 Ilford Delta shot at EI50 and developed N-2. This a picture of a darkroom print.
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>>2908583
I'm in the process of selling my digital gear and going over to 6x17.
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>>2908586
Is there any particular reason that you want to limit yourself to a panoramic format?
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>>2908588
It's basically all I do anyway. Swapping over to doing it with a 6x17 will actually remove a shitton of headache (all the stuff that goes into doing a good digital stitch, from making sure that colors and exposure are exactly the same in the individual frames to having to deal with distortion in each frame).
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>>2908594
Then you should go for it. I sold all my digital equipment to go LF. There was no reason for me to be shooting digital. I only did B&W anyway.
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>>2908597
Yeah, the thing I'll miss is being able to be kinda loose with getting exposure correct. It's been years since I've had to do field math, but that's no biggie.
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>>2908586
I'm in the process of selling my car and replacing it with a horse.
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>>2908620
https://www.onlandscape.co.uk/2011/12/big-camera-comparison/
Fuck off now.
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>>2908583
Look for Argentum cameras, there are full tilt/shift sets and light limited tilt/shift sets, panorama cameras and a handy pinhole cam.
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>>2908583
Funny to see you here. I literally popped in after months of not being here because I clicked the wrong board.
Why do you still come here? Us LF fags are automatically dismissed as gearfags because our name isn't Alex Burke, regardless of image quality. Not to mention /p/ is shit in general. National competition exhibitions, solo shows at large regional galleries, and a bustling business, but of course my images were always called shit.
In all seriousness, get a Chamonix and call it a day. I have one, it's my workhorse 4x5 landscape camera. Light. rigid, takes any lens you could get really. A few caveats here and there, mostly that setting up the standards parallel isn't a snap because no detents (at least on the early model).
Just go for it.
Keep posting on LFPF, it's a better community in general. Of course there's shitty people there too and a fair number of old shitters but still, they have way, way more experience with LF than anyone here.
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>>2908816
I don't know why I still come here. I kinda liked when people told me my images were shit. I even started believing it myself. But of course they aren't shit. It's this board that is shit
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>>2908583
Was there anything in particular you found unsatisfactory about the Tachihara?
I'm looking into getting my first 4x5 cam, because I got quite a stash of film for very cheap.
Leaning towards a field camera because they seem reasonably portable, and not as compromised as a Linhof or Graflex.
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>>2908583
I shot 5x7 for a while and moved to 4x5 for film availability. I still have both cams, the first was a Kodak kit camera and the second is a Graphic View monorail 4x5. I like the metal build of the GV and you can get them super cheap, I paid like 30 bucks for mine. The monorail is super sturdy and very easy to set up. Most of them have good bellows as they were made up until the 60s I think.
There's no real reason to pay for a brand new LF cam when there are used ones in excellent shape for cheap but I will tell you pay up for new film holders. DO NOT SKIMP on film holders get at the very least Fidelity Elites.
It has been a while since I touched LF but with the absence of my MF outfit I have thought about jumping back into it again.
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>>2908835
But if you never really produced any pictures, you can't quite say you shot with it.
More like played with it.
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>>2908835
I don't want to drag a monorail into the mountains. I've had used gear before. I want new gear now...
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>>2908834
"Field cameras" and a Linhof are too entirely different things. A Crown/Speed is also a whole different thing.
Field cameras (wood, light, limited movements on occasion) are designed for landscapers going out and hiking long distances.
A Crown Graphic was first and foremost a press camera, but have been "pressed" into service as cheap field cams since they are relatively light but they have limited movements.
The Linhof Technika is a technical camera that can do it all. It has a ton of movements, can be shot handheld, and is still not a complete brick like a monorail. It's just about the best of all worlds but not as light as the carbon fiber field cameras. But it's more rigid and has more movements.
I've shot with all of these. For landscape/hiking predominately a Shen Hao or Chamonix is king (or anything like that - cheaper alternatives are available such as a Toho or any old wooden Korona or some such camera).
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>>2908875
I understand that they're different, I just thought you might have more insight into what's the best to use.
For example, is shooting with just the RF on those press cameras actually a thing? Do people do this?
Are those cameras substantially faster to erect than a field camera?
Can they all be folded up with a normal lense attached?
Is ground glass A garbage, and B so much better? Ditto for film holders. etc.
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>>2908899
What are you going to be shooting?
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>>2908899
Precious few shoot LF handheld, and in terms of landscape (which I assume is your focus), the number would be even fewer. On a tripod, not using movements, an RF and viewfinder could speed up the process a tiny bit but then you can't use movements and you'd be spending a lot more money for a Linhof + matched lenses. Basically no there is no reason to do that.
If you really want to shoot handheld LF for press type work pay a premium for a good Speed/Crown Graphic and matched lens with a good RF. If you like it and want more lenses you'll have to get a Linhof. It's literally the only camera out there that can use multiple lenses handheld easily and quickly.
In terms of erection, personally I carry around my Chamonix on a tiny CF tripod already open and ready to shoot. It's only about 6 pounds thrown on my shoulder. Small backpack w/ filters, a few film holders, etc. plus a darkcloth and it's under 10-12 pounds total. I know some people break down their camera and put it in a backpack/case after every shot but IMO that's absolutely retarded and way too slow. When the light is right I gotta get that shit setup quick. I can put the camera down and setup a shot in just a few seconds if need to.
I've never really noticed any deficiencies with any modern ground glass. Older GG on older cameras can certainly be dimmer. Film holders, just make sure you buy newer plastic ones in decent condition (Lisco, Regal, etc.) and avoid wood ones for the most part.
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thinking of learning photography, is 6x6 a good format for beginner
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>>2908900
Well I feel like I'd mostly be doing landscapes.
The thing is I quite like close ups, and with a 4x5 sheet of film, you don't have to get that close before you're actually shooting 1:1 macro, and I feel like bellows extension might be a limiting factor on a few of the more portable options.
>>2908902
thx bro.
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>>2908911
Regarding bellows, that's another good thing about the Chamonix - they make an extension bracket. I have one and have over 800mm of bellows draw. I rarely use it because that is way more than I ever need, but it's there.
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>>2908911
>Canon EOS 550D
:^);;^))
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>>2908918
It is my scanning camera. friendo.
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>>2908834
OP here.
So the Tachihara was quite flimsy in my opinion. It doesn't handle larger lenses well either.
I found it to be an OK camera, with short lenses. But it doesn't have axis tilt. Which means you'll spend a long time finding the right focus plane.
You can get a Horseman 4x5 quite cheaply. There's one on Ebay at $680
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tl;dr -- fukken saved
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>>2908583
>>2908911
Hot damn. As a lowly 35mmfag, I'm extremely impressed by these three pictures, and will resolve to practice more landscape shooting -- to eventually one day git gud enough to justify the investment of LF.
Please, keep doing the LF threads in the future.
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>>2909309
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>>2908823
/p/haggots don't really like any photos, with the occasional exception of 35mm snapshits of stop signs on an olympus XA. Most people here have no idea what they're talking about and treat it as a shitposting board. it's a good place to be told your photos are shit and your "highlights are blown" by someone who has no idea what that means, but it's a horrible place to get advice if you actually want to improve.
Unfortunately, there's pretty much nowhere that will give you useful critique. You either get places like here where everything's shit, or anywhere else where it's "ey yo dis looks sick senpai 100 100"
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This one is pretty shit desu
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Why are most of these so dusty? What did you scan them with?
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>>2909290
35mm film is pretty awful for landscapes, even with the sharpest lenses. I gave up on it as soon as i stumbled on an rz67, which blows any smaller format out of the water. The slides that come out of that thing are gorgeous. I can't even imagine how amazing 4x5 or 8x10 looks though.
>>2908930
Are you scanning that in one shot or stitching? if you're stitching, what's the full res?
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>>2909316
Epson V750. It was a "community" scanner full of dust and I'm too lazy to remove all the dust. My prints are fine.
Here's a shitty 4x5 Velvia 100. First colour 4x5 I shot
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>>2909317
Yeah, I never even bothered with 35mm. 6x7 - 4x5 - 8x10. Probably gonna go 8x10 after a few months with a 4x5 again. I know I'll miss 8x10. But they've become so stupidly expensive now.
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Recent LF because wtf not:
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>>2909317
(tl;dr -- but I'm shit as a landscape photographer, so burning LF will just make it inconvenient and retard progress in gitting gud.)
I'm well aware of this. It's the case that my lack of skill, inexperience with filters, composition, having an eye for a good shot, and general unfamiliarity with the topic is far greater a limit on how the final result ends up. I'm also somewhat out of shape and without automobile or even driver's license, so carrying a medium format aircraft carrier around would just put a huge crimp on actually going around, shooting, and working on my basics while it's cheap.
Compare to getting an entry-level clapped-out LF body, scrounging up a ground glass and some film holders and possibly a slightly moldy lens (and having the shutter assembly CLA'd), and then spending sheets of Fomapan 100 (or whatever) four at a time for the next year or two. I'll look into it once I start feeling like it's the format that's holding me back, a few years after babby's first bald and whatnot.
Also, developing medium format makes me unhappy with the number of shots I got. A Mod55 (was it called?) sticks 6 sheets in a 1l Paterson tank, which also does 24 6x6s or 108 3½x2½s. While quality over quantity is certainly worth going for, there's still a lot to be said for quantity as well!
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>>2909290
>fukken saved
Thx bro.
But I hate to burst your bubble bud, >>2908911 is 35mm.
Using a Sigma crop sensor lense.
t. pleb tier kit.
>have another
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>>2909317
And it's a one shot scan :^)
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>>2909578
Thats sort of the point of LF. You're not supposed to make a million images. Only 1.
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>>2908583
incoming alex in 3...2...
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I still use my Linhof Technika once in a while, but I still haven't learned to love, and I've never taken a picture with it that justified the effort spent over lesser formats.
I'm starting to get happier with my development now after I stopped doing stand dev, so I might try to use it more in the future, I even found my red and yellow filters today after them being lost for months.
Have gotten a job as an assistant at a photo lab now, so I can dev C-41 for free, so might try to do some more color 4x5 too.
Pic related is from my latest dev, feel free to tell me how shit it is.
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>>2910084
>this posting someone elses terrible photo and claiming it was shot on 8x10 instead of dusty sensor phone meme
go away
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>>2908624
>muh microscopic line pair extinction resolution!
Always hated these kinds of fucking "tests" by film fans.
For one, fine detail in the real world has neither the shape (line) nor contrast (black on white) of detail on a line chart.
For two, the sharpness and clarity of details in the mid range are vastly more important for human viewers than slightly more detail at the limits of the system. (Lens designers realized this half a century ago.)
That said, 4x5 and 8x10 offer tremendous IQ plus movements. LF is certainly not a "horse" vs. a car.
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>>2910134
>For one, fine detail in the real world has neither the shape (line) nor contrast (black on white) of detail on a line chart.
>what is hair
>what is grass
>what is cloth
>what is fencing
>what is printed text
>what is a rim light
>what is a silhouette
>what is anything on a white background
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>tfw no Alex
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Any of you a fan of Ben Horne?
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>>2911038
Not really
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>>2911038
Thats a nice photo, more info?
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>>2915480
go home, ben.
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