The Sony a7rii is overpriced. Why would I get that when I can

>>2889459
You don't

>>2889459
Because it has 42.4 megapickles, and is mirrorless. Not that any of that really matters.
The true reason is canon is for cockboys.

>>2889459
>thinks a7rii is overpriced
>then asks why they should get that over a camera they don't think is overpriced

nigger you are fucking stupid or what? nobody is holding a gun to your head forcing you to buy the sony. if the canon looks better to you go for it.

jesus some of y'all on this board are dense motherfuckers...

Technically, the a7rii blows the 5d3 out of the water, canons sensor tech is about 8 years behind sony.

Also the sony fits in a pocket.

And has higher quality lenses available for it.

The only arguments for the canon are longer battery life, larger range of native lenses, and a better jpeg engine.

>>2889459
>canon sensors
LOL

Body doesn't matter

Acquire glass, shoot using an a7rii or 5dmk3 who gives a fuck

As long as you've got those sweet red rings you're golden

>>2889560
>Body doesn't matter
Exactly. The sensor however does.

>>2889573
And I'd tend to agree with you except for the fact that the difference between the a7rii sensor and the 5dmk3 sensor is negligible for most uses

If you need the extra pickles with the a7rii for prints, great. If you need better autofocus, burst rate, battery life, durability, get the canon

If you need better low light dont even bother with the a7rii and get the a7sii because it's absolutely based

That being said OP how is the a7rii overpriced if the 5dmk3 was 300 dollars more at launch

>>2889579
>autofocus
Nope a7rii has shown to have a much better ratio of shots that get the focus accurately, at the cost of a split second finding time.

>burst rate
5fps vs 6fps, give a shit

>battery life
The batteries in the sony are also half the size physically, this is like arguing a litre bottle of cola is better than 3 cans. Oh and i hope you never plan on using liveview with the canon or you can see the shots per battery quartered.

>durability
I'll take the premium, solid, metal body cheers. You can keep your fischer price toy. Also, mirrors fail and the slightest knock fucks your af, I'd argue it's far less durable.

Have you noticed that before the a7 came out everyone sucked the teat of the 5dii, then after the a7 the 5d range just fell on its face.

>>2889596
>burst rate
>5fps vs 6fps, give a shit
Raw burst rate numbers don't tell the whole story, the A7RII drops to 12-bit color depth to sustain that amount, and even then you won't get 5fps except under ideal conditions. If you use the uncompressed RAW patch, the frame rate drops to like 1.5fps or something.
Moreover, it can only manage half as many frames before filling the buffer (40 vs. 80), and takes much longer to clear since its SD controller has only half the data rate of the 5D3 (30MB/s vs 60MB/s), in real-world measurements you're looking at 4-5 seconds for the 5DIII vs waiting 25+ sec for the A7RII.
Burst rate numbers for mirrorless cameras are always a farce, the highest speed often can't be maintained without locked AF and exposure, while DSLRs always have full automatic control during their highest burst rates; except for the 1DX cameras, which can squeeze out 2 more FPS in liveview with locked settings... but that's more of a bonus than anything.

>>2889611
You cant use logic and words on a sonyfag. They only understand numbers on spec sheets they find on dxomark

I feel like the Sony A range is like the iPhone.

There are better devices out there that do the same thing for cheaper. Despite explaining these facts to the Sony Fags, they'll still suck Steve Jobs molten aluminium bone.

The 5D3 isn't really in the same class as A7r II - compare it to the original A7. Maybe A7 II for the AF.

The A7rII is better held against the 5Ds R - which costs around $1k more and fakes not having an AA filter.

Aside from the obvious differences with mirrorless, realistically, you're sacrificing a much better flash system, better pro support and dual media slots for $1k in exchange for on-sensor image stabilization, modest 4k shooting ability and more accurate AF at very shallow DoF.

>>2889620
Not really. The a series definitely fill a bunch of use cases where you'd want to take it over something else

The a7 itself is a decent middle ground between the a7r and the a7s. The a7s is pretty fantastic for video and the a7r is pretty fantastic for stills. I believe all three have IBIS which is great for older lenses and the focus peaking is really nice

There's definitely not a lot of decent choices to go up against the a7s especially for that low-light performance. You could argue a gh4 with speedbooster is a better choice but at that point you're just getting into specifics that would actually help you decide which is better for you

>>2889620
Tell me a camera with good low light performance that can adapt pretty much any lens imaginable that costs <$700USD.

There is no other option if you want to shoot legacy glass with a FF sensor that's good at low light.

>>2889624
where the fuck can I find an a7 for 700 dollars

I'm serious I'd buy it right now

>>2889625
I bought mine direct from Sony refurbished for $750CAD last May.

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>>2889626
HOW

PLEASE

>>2889611
>comparing burst between a 20mp wedding body and a 45mp landscape body

The fuck you doing?

Also
>hurrr you lose a stop of dr cos 13+1 compression
Still got 2 more than the 5diii

>hurr buffer size
The a7ii can do 28 frames at 5fps, the 5diii can do 18 at 6fps, the a6300 has shown that af can be maintained, with no blackout at 11fps, the a9 is confirmed to have unlimited raw burst.

Also
>no ibis in a 2k body
Gurlslaffinatum8o.png

>>2889627
Bought it from a Canadian store called Henry's. They listed in on their eBay store. Came with a Sony warranty and everything.

>>2889627
>http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/annerley/digital-slr/sony-alpha-a7-ilce-7-full-frame-24-3-megapixel-camera-body-/1119208759
Here's one in Aus which just sold for $780 AUD ($584 US). Not a refurb, but still.

Actually chances are it sold for less than $750, considering the price was negotiable and someone made an offer.

>>2889630
>comparing burst between a 20mp wedding body and a 45mp landscape body
>The fuck you doing?
I wasn't the one doing the comparison, I was pointing out the fallacy of the comparison. Don't get your pants in a twist over nothing.

>Also
>hurrr you lose a stop of dr cos 13+1 compression
>Still got 2 more than the 5diii
You don't understand, the 13+1 compression is what's active all the time, regardless of shooting mode, and indeed it's only visible in fringe cases like astrophotography.
What I'm talking about is how in shooting modes like continuous, the camera literally chops two bits off the data, which directly translates to two stops off the dynamic range. You're now comparing 12-stops on the Sony vs ~11.5 on the Canon.

>hurr buffer size
>The a7ii can do 28 frames at 5fps, the 5diii can do 18 at 6fps
How about comparing actual buffer sizes with fast cards?
>a6300
who gives a shit about point and shoots?

>Also
>no ibis in a 2k body
>Gurlslaffinatum8o.png
Nice crutch there Mr. Seizure

>>2889645
"Hmm... let me stop down to f/8 here in this room lit by one incandescent light. Oh 1/8sec? No problem," said the man on crutches.

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>>2889656
If you're gonna use a crutch, may as well be a real one, like pic related. Or are you going to shoot off a burst of 12-bit RAWs in hopes of getting that one shot that'll actually be sharp?
>Daily reminder that stabilization does nothing for subject motion.

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>>2889661
So instead of using the tech in my pocketable camera, i should carry half a kilo of sticks with me everywhere? K

>>2889645
>11 bit on Burst
Firstly, this is not correct it's 11 + 7 compression, they are very different

Secondly, you can choose to use uncompressed

Thirdly, Sonys 11+ 7 still fucks canon in the arse for dr and colour depth

Itt:caniggers get buttache

>>2889703
This has nothing to do with the lossy color compression, but reduced bit-depth, they are two separate things that both exist on the A7. You can choose to use uncompressed to solve both problems, but then it fucks up the speed of the camera, which iirc was the point original argument.

>>2889661
>implying a tripod prevents subject motion

Holy fucking shit anon.

>>2889731
I think it was a separate statement, but optical or in-body stabilization does have practical use even if your subject isn't motionless. It's also not right to compare tripods to IS, both have their place and time to be used.

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>>2889542
>Also the sony fits in a pocket
Wtf anon you the type of nigga to wear cargo shorts

>>2889736
Levi 501's with a 32" waist
doesn't get more standard than that
I do use a lens I made from an old oly xa, that's barely deeper than a nex-m39 adapter tho

>>2889738
Lmao 32" waist you fucking fatass. Unless you are 6'2 and up then youre just a fat nigga with a huge camera in your pocket.

>>2889579
>negligible

That's plain wrong, to be honest. The sensor inside the 5D3 is horrible in terms of dynamic range and color depth.

>>2889739
6' and 10.5 stone, I think I'll be ok ;)

>>2889753
>10.5 stone
How much is this in real world weight?

>>2889753
>stone

It's 2016. stop calculating in stones, sticks or sea shells.

>>2889738
>use a lens I made from an old oly xa
shit, you got any info on how to do this?

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>>2889661
Haha. You must be fun for portrait subjects.

"Ok everyone, hang on while I get my tripod set up right here. Mary, would you please clamp yourself to the bracket while I do this. Ok... now hold still, don't blink your eyes and look right here at my 5D Mark III"

>>2889739
>not having naturally wide hips

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>>2889542
>Also the sony fits in a pocket.

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>>2889793
Okay Mr. Granger.

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>>2889736
My A7 fits in my pocket just fine :^)

>>2889806

now quick take it off, attach your lens and take snaps!

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>>2889796
Also - If you want to go out with a little Leica 28/2.8 or a compact prime - you can and it's awesome.

Or one of the compact Loxia lenses.

If you want to put the huge-ass Sigma 180 f/2.8 APO MACRO on it with a hood on it, and use a battery grip... you can do that too.

That choice is really nice to have.

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>>2889796
>attempt to disprove point
>cherry picks the image with a monstrosity of a lens
>SEE, IM RIGHT!!!

>>2889736
kek

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>>2889857
>mfw my lens protrudes less than the grip

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>>2889899
And has the same image quality as shooting with the grip

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>>2889899
>nikon strap

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>>2889903
100% crop attached.
It's as sharp as is needed and has shown moire so can outresolve the sensor.

You're clearly not familiar with the oly XA len :^)

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>>2889911
And another showing the unique rendering of this old len

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>>2889899
yfw you're moopco and isi gave you advice on how to build that

i sold my a7ii on ebay but my lenses i eventually kept and sold off later on CL, guy was a die hard a7iir fan - and his reasons were

>af adapter for M mounts
>adapter for practically anything else
>produces the best videos
>native focus peaking
>muh ISO
>lenses are 50% off at best buy with employee discount


the battery argument i never got, since you're already carrying a crap load of shit how does holding two extra battery warrants a basis to bring it up? it's not like you go out and ONLY carry a MRKIII

>>2889899
>>2889911
>>2889913
cumming buckets

>>2889913
>unique rendering
>soft as butter and purple fringing because sony cannot handle close rear elements
>unique rendering
lol

>>2889459
legacy lenses

>>2889913
You mean unique as in a busted coating?

>>2889919
>it's not like you go out and ONLY carry a MRKIII
but some people aren't gearfags and legit only carry one camera one lens

>>2890012
Yeah, I'm one of those people. Stashing an extra battery in my pocket just in case is no big deal. It's the size of 2 big lighters.

I've also never needed the second battery, even on all-day outings.

>>2890021
That should say two Bic lighters*****

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>>2890021
Dude FW50s are tiny.

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>>2890028
Exactly.

>>2889899
how to build? I have an xa2 that is broken anyways

>>2890059
Take lens out of xa, put in helicoid at correct flange distance.

>>2889899
I would absolutely love a guide on how to do this if anyone has one

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>>2890194
dope

>>2890198
This isnt really a guide but I saw it here

http://www.meinezersaegtenkameras.de/E3more.html

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If you are a hoping to get work then count the A7 out. Clients will take one look at it and dismiss you (rightfully) as an amateur. Why? Because regardless of muh 42MP muh IBIS, clients want to see consistency and someone who has bulletproof gear to get the job done on the day. The 5D series is a standard for that reason, but if you want a better choice, get a 1DX instead. That is the only professional camera that has been mentioned in this thread so far. Clients will be handing work out to you left right and center so long as your work isn't completely full of snapshits. Ignore these fucking meme cameras.

Source: Working pro

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>>2890200
He should have stopped at pic related, looks so much cooler

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>>2890205
Nice b8 m8

Clients see your portfolio well before they will ever see your camera. Odds are the day of the shoot will b the first time they see what gear you even use.

>>2890200
That looks like aids compared to >>2889899

>>2890249
>no lens cover

nah

>>2890205
This is like posting about which Sherwin Williams paintbrush is best for wood trim in law offices.

Who the fuck cares what boring tools working stiffs need to use?

>>2890237
>>2890254
Life's an anecdote, I was on a visit to the director of a local theater along with a friend for reasons unrelated to photography, but had my 645Z along anyway. At first his secretary creamed herself over the camera, and said she never seen something so big and professional. After the meeting I decided to take a group photo, and mr. honcho also commented on the camera. He asked for some portrait shots and said that no one ever took photos of him that looked so good and showed the shit he had before, including a recent shoot he was disappointed with. I can now be the theater's official photographer, and do portrait work for all the actors. I'm not sure they'd have paid special attention if I were shooting with something that looked like a compact, but if I had taken shit photos, I wouldn't have landed the job either. If someone is hiring you specifically as a pro photographer, then yes, you don't need to impress anyone with your gear.

>>2890259
This anecdote makes sense. I recall stories of people in the 80s who would bring a nonworking Hasselblad to shoots to make a splash, but do the actual work with whatever Canon/Nikon/Pentax 35mm camera they actually used.

To me, commercial work is a difficult and honorable trade - but passionate enthusiasts should not look to working photographers to see what gear they should use.

>>2890263
>but passionate enthusiasts should not look to working photographers to see what gear they should use.

Whether you're a pro or an enthusiast, it's important to look at your needs first and place them before wants, because there are many desirable systems that may not fulfill your needs, even if they are decidedly more expensive or higher-end. Prospective buyers should simply demo for themselves.

>>2890273
I need what I want

>>2890276
I need very little but want much.

If only I could collect enough Normal Prime candy to evolve my Nifty Fifty into a Noctilux.

>>2890279
I would collect zeissmons so I can evolve a 21/2.8 biogon for my g1

>>2890279
I would rather the 55 1.8 myself, the noct, whilst technically pretty wow, the oof areas look janky, vignetting and fringing is off the charts and the resolution is pretty awful everywhere but the very centre until you get over f4.

>>2890300
That is the point, though. You can get a good, solid, basic 50mm with stellar technical performance for pretty cheap.

The real deal for me and many others is having something you connect with emotionally.

The Noctilux is an extreme example but I did sell off something like 4 Canon L lenses to get a Summilux M 50mm 1.4 ASPH. The fucking thing is so rewarding. I literally changed systems just to use it more often.

It has become more a partner than a tool. I seriously wish the same for everyone who loves photography.

>>2890333
In my case, even though the Z body has better features, I still lust over the Leica S just to use those lenses; the 120mm in particular is simply god-like. Shame that my entire lens collection costs as much as that one lens. Yeah, my FA 120mm is no slouch either, but it's not as inspired in rendering quality. Not even close. I hate myself for ever demoing that bitch.

>>2889738
>I do use a lens I made from an old oly xa, that's barely deeper than a nex-m39 adapter tho
Interesting. Is the quality any good? Since the XA's lens sits so close to the film plane, I presume the light hits it at an angle. For film this is no problem of course, but I thought this caused problems on digital sensors.
How's the vignetting?

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>>2890350
The quality is as good as it needs to be.
The rear of the lens doesn't sit TOO close to the sensor, the whole assembly is only around 2cm, there's little problem with colour in the corners but it does vignette quite a bit (compact symmetrical designs do this, luckily it's a nice even smooth falloff that isn't distracting)

The lens is actually from an XA2 and the aperture mech was removed (I like f4, the lens was f4, it's never going to be for critically sharp photos, so fuck it, keep it lomo)

The bokeh rendering is definitely very different to any off the shelf lens, it's nervous yet buttery soft at the same time, the lens definitely performs best focusing around 2 to 4 metres away.

Chromabs are visible, but not harsh definite lines with bright colours, more like a slight coloured smear, it's also awful with flare resistance and blooms easily, as can be seen here on the glints of the pots >>2889913

Centre sharpness in flat light is actually phenomenal and easily outresolves my legacy Nikon 28mm in the middle 25%

Attached is another shot that shows the vignette and nature of the lens, it's saved off facebook as I'm not by my pc, so try and ignore artifacting if there is any.

>>2890362
while Im happy to see youre back on your meds I think theyre influencing what you think good is

>>2890400
not that guy but for a lens you can make for literally 10 dollars it's pretty good

>>2890400
it's honestly about the same as some 35mm M42/M39 lenses I've owned.

>>2889899
why are you using a lens like that when shooting an a7r? if you don't care about resolution, shouldn't you be shooting a7/a7s instead?

>>2890400
can you keep your irc banter off the board please? thanks

>>2890404
>Olympus XA lens
>$10
lol, for one
two, there are way better lenses adaptable for $10 or less
three, that helicoid adapter he used to make it costs like $30 so this is more like a $40 build "literally"

I guess if youre new to adapting lenses youre easily impressed though

>>2890436
because he's a gearfag, anon
the a7r is better

>>2890452
>I guess if youre new to adapting lenses youre easily impressed though

You can tone the snark down. I never claimed to be some master adapter, neither did I say it was better or worse than any other lenses. I'm not sure why this triggers you so much

For taking a useless broken XA and making a decently usable lens it's pretty good. Obviously you could do better with an m42 adapter and various m42 lenses but I'd still give it a shot

>>2890452
fuck off isi

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>>2889899

>>2890460
yeah because that cunt was the first person on /p/ to adapt a lens to a mirrorless camera you retard

>>2890452
Are there any as small?
No, it's achieved it's goal

>>2890518
...yes?
Like, practically every other point and shoot with a one piece lens block? Or you could get a T43 off of a $2 Smena which is a far better lens and even retains aperture control on the front

answering your own question here is 100% like saying "are there any cheap film P&S other than the XA that are good? No. It is the only good one, and its not very cheap."

its just a meme camera you dip. there are way better things out there.

>>2890012
youre a gear fag if you own a MRKIII

I thought that XA lens looked good until I saw the examples posted here and on that website. The guy that originally did it doesn't even recommend it.

I'll just deal with the extra 1" protruding while using a real lens that gives great results, thanks.

>>2890519
The smena extends an extra inch or so and prevents the camera being pocketable, the xa wasn't chosen because of it's meme status, it was chosen because of it's tiny depth and the lens assembly isn't permanently fixed in the body (i took apart a few old rangefinders and more often than not it would have been a long job with a dremel)

This is more an awesome alternative to a body cap than a serious lens, having said that I love the rendition and probably end up using this lens as much as any other.

>>2890781
Get over yourself. You don't even have aperture control on it. It's a shit adaptation of a shit lens to a double shit body

The smenas lens isn't even an inch deep BTW so I don't know what you're talking about.

>>2890784
Sorry, how could I be so silly

I forgot I can only like things if you approve

Wont happen again

>>2890781
if you want a camera that fits in your pocket, get a tiny point and shoot. a professional high-res camera and sticking a shitty lens on it just so it's pocketable is fucking retarded, you'd get far better results with any cheap point and shoot camera.

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>>2890786
Not that guy but it's nice using one camera and being able to use it in lots of different situations. If I can slap a pancake on an a7 and have it be real compact and easy that's a huge plus

That being said I'd just get that 20/2.8 but turning a busted xa into a neat lens still sounds like a fun project

Are you donkies really comparing body from 2012 to body from 2015?

>>2890784
>smena lens less than an inch
What is flange distance, theres even plenty of examples of the smena on an a7 clearly sticking well past the grip

>thinking the smena is any better
No son, keep your ussr trash.

>>2890786
If i had a tiny point and shoot I'd still have my a7ii with me, also, why would i drop £300 on a gr when this was a tenth of the price and takes up infinitely less pocket space. I also have my huawei p9 which takes better shots than any cheap p&s. Also, please quantify "better results" ;)

>>2890787
I had the 20, but it was fucking shite, id take a proper "lomo" look over bad modern glass any day. :)

>>2890436
I use an a7ii...

>>2890796
>What is flange distance, theres even plenty of examples of the smena on an a7 clearly sticking well past the grip
2mm is well past

No aperture control pfftjaha, better than triplet43 bahaha

DIY buyers remorse this is new

>>2890922
does this look like 2mm?
http://www.a7camera.com/jpg_lens/40mm_lomo_t43_IMG_1186.JPG

noob.

>>2891027
Yes, it's just also at its near focus distance aka extended fully

>>2890796
>id take a proper "lomo" look over bad modern glass any day. :)

I'm with you, honestly

The great part is that you can have both too. I guess I'll have to look for a different wide pancake for fe. That one looked pretty good but the example images ive seen look kinda garbo

>>2890519
>>2890616
>>2890784
>>2890786
>>2890922
>>2891070

Fucking hell someone isi butthurt

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>>2889542
"sony has higher quality lenses available for it"

>>2889621
lol you are such a spaz. the 5DS R is worse than the 6D even because it has way too many pixels and shitty pixel size, as does the a7r II. the only thing those body's are useful for is gigantic prints or billboards which is literally GAY.

>>2891543
>cameras are bad for having too many pickles
>must limit pickles for good photography
>redspongebob.jpg

>>2891630
And that's why the a7s is so rad

they made the pickles bigger so you can get more light

Is the 5dmk3 still a good choice for someone going to do pro work? Fashion, nighttime/early morning, concert/music event, architecture, city, and some landscape photography would be main uses. Video isn't super important but being able to take decent video and decent audio would be nice

>>2889459

Because with mirrorless you can pre-chimp without even taking your eye from the viewfinder.

>chimp harder better faster stronger

>>2891632
>>2891630
>>2891543
Look. I'm not saying its pixels. (But it is pixels.) Even if you down-rez every image, the benefits are pretty clear (even if the Canon falls apart faster in low light).

>>2891715
If you are doing pro work, it is basically the camera to get. You probably need a good reason NOT to get it to pick somethibg else.

>>2891727
what about nikon equivalent to 5dmk3

A whole thread dedicated to butthurt povvo faggots that can't afford what is widely regarded as the best digital body on the market.

Never change p, save up enough gbp and I'm sure munmy will get you a 2nd hand a7 for chrimbo.