Work shown here vs. postmodern

art is very frequently ugly, morbid and confronting as it is appreciated for it's emotional power.

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>>2887255
This is the black square on white background by Malevich, it's one of the first works of art that try to exclude all classic features of what is considered art by most people. Most of the people back then didn't understand it, neither do most people today. You are on the same level of understanding art as most people 100 years ago, you sure are qualified to discuss it on 4chan.

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I can type up a tl;dr on this if you want?

>>2887265
not OP but do it because I'm interested

>>2887266
Not gounna lie I did pre-type it because I'm a sad fucker. this leaves out a LOT and is very reductive but here we go

Postmodernism initially developed as a sort of tool to deconstruct homogeneous theories of culture and identity. These theories/movements worked from artificially limited and often downright unrealistic standards of viewing the world, the most notable being a movement called logical positivism. PM as a movement was intended to be wholly abstract, just a tool to find holes in other older theories.

Google “moral relativism” to get a watered down, simplified example of where PM is coming from. PM argued that we can’t really access the truth, only come close to it. It argues that things like good vs bad, true vs false, are relative.

In the art world everyone from good artists to absolute plebs used PM to deconstruct how we see art - through art. and so it’s often quite meta, and looks at how, ultimately we choose how we read an artwork - how the meaning isn’t in the author’s intentions, but is in the work itself (and therefore people read those signs differently).

The result is that despite some interesting work made there’s also this attitude of “anything goes” where because art is thought to be subjective, anything can be good art and whether something is a clever statement or just an accidental act of incompetence is a matter of your judgment.

an example of PM being badly applied is the pick-and-choosing of the theories by third wave feminism, who take the ideas of culture and gender being relative, but ignore the moral relativism (because it doesn’t fit the moral narrative).

that said, also see >>2887258

a lot of artists don’t consider the above philosophy stuff when making work and it’s simply the current state of philo.

/p/ is by and large formalist - they don’t care about meaning, only pretty shapes and one-offs. as a result proper series of work don’t come up all that much

>>2887272
I think I sort of understand what you're saying. I need to do more research. Cheers

>>2887262
lol 10/10

>>2887272
youre confusing postmodernism, with poststructuralism and deconstruction though..

there is no postmodern philosophy, there is no intention behind postmodernism, no core group of people who wrote a manifesto. Postmodernism /was/ an art movement that started as a natural reaction to both personal and cultural identity becoming detached from heritage.

>>2887318
also, contemporary photography is Not postmodernist photography..

http://chateaushatto.com/exhibition/ultimate-paradox-the-photography-of-jean-baudrillard/

this is.

weve moved beyond postmodernism years ago

>>2887323
>Giclée print
the pretension is real.

not bad photos, they literally look like the same style of photography that everyone on /p/ shoots

also you could argue that any art from the 1980s onward is "postmodern" because we are living in an irreversibly postmodern world. any previous school of thought are long dead

>>2887328

>irreversibly postmodern world

this makes me sad

nowadays schools of thought are only artists' personal styles

>>2887328
>same style of photography that everyone on /p/ shoots
except theres actual direction and content behind these photos.

>>2887338
of course its better than anything I've seen on /p/, but its still a really generic style of shooting that's been done to death

>>2887343
>of course its better than anything I've seen on /p/
lol okay, my delusional newfriend

Good thread guys
http://photo.net/philosophy-of-photography-forum/00e2zq

>>2887262
A relative of mine was a student at the Surikov Art Institute ages ago, and they know a lot of interesting facts about famous art pieces having been around to see them in the fresh. The story of the black square is quite interesting, since it's only a black square on the surface; it's a "failed" painting that Malevich painted over in black so that it wouldn't be an eyesore in case he wanted to start a new one on top of it, but was surprised when his guests actually commented on it, and decided to start including it as part of his exhibitions out of morbid curiosity. Even if there is a figurative or literal statement somewhere in there about art, there is also a real painting.

>>2887579
stay mad /p/ poster
everyone here is shit

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>>2887328
>>2887343
>>2887579
are you kidding? those photos are absolutely gorgeous.

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This one is raadddddd.

OP, mind posting an example of what you're talking about?

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because they're interesting ideas that seem like some sort of response to theory and history of art photography, aside from the fact that it doesn't sound very postmodern

>>2890079
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