Film General Thread, aka FGT.
>PICTURE EDITION
Hey kids, this time we're going to post pics.
NO posting without a film pic attached.
Lets make the FGT great again.
>just posting in the FGT doesn't make you gay, unless you use mercury intensifier
This is the thread for all of your stupid film questions, and to post your film snapshits without flushing them down the RPToilet.
It's OK to ask about film gear in this thread.
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Added a Mamiya 6 to my kit.
Notes:
The meter appears to be pretty accurate (for automatic exposure).
It's very solid (doesn't feel plasticky at all).
>>2882109
Shot a test roll with it (Portra 400)
1/3
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>>2882113
2/3
Excuse the shitty scans (quick and dirty test roll).
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>>2882116
3/3
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>>2882109
Nice man! I found the meter to be extremely accurate. Bear in mind the metering area is pretty close to where the 150mm framelines are in the viewfinder. If you remember that you should be able to even meter for E6 accurately with the camera. I recommend coping the 50mm if you get the chance. The 50mm/75mm make it a killer travel kit.
>>2882129
Hmm, slide film seems risky but I'll definitely give it a try. The 50mm is next on the list. Have heard great things about it.
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First roll of Portra 400. Finally (unfortunately) depleted my NC/VC stock.
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>>2881922
>>2882016
Thanks guys. Fujicas sure look like great bodies.
I have a hard time to focus with my Spotmatic's micro-prism especially with the Jupiters.
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Do you guys have some sort of sticky for film or a beginner's guide on how to get started?
>>2882194
Buy a film camera, learn shutter speed, aperture and ISO, learn how to focus, you're good to go
>>2882194
Doesn't matter what camera you get at first. If you already have a digital camera with interchangeable lenses it'd be smart to buy into a 35mm that can use those lenses.
A big chunk of film photos looking good on the computer comes down to scanning techniques. Film labs generally don't do a good job at scanning (and are oftentimes expensive). Buying yourself a scanner or using a good quality DSLR is usually the more common route.
Unrelated, but I can't get these damn colors right at all.
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>>2882165
>>2882218
One more cause I'm a whore.
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anyone scan prints? any advice on papers to use, techniques, etc
I have a flatbed scanner that can't handle transparent things e.g. negatives, but holds up pretty well when I scan drawings. I figure if I make an 8x10 print or larger, scan it high resolution, then downsize it in post, I can get "pretty close" to the actual detail of the negative right?
>>2882218
better?
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>>2882180
microprisms are a bitch in optimal lighting, impossible in anything darker. I feel you man, split prism 4 life.
>>2882109
>>2882158
>>2882165
>>2882218
thx for doing
>>PICTURE EDITION
right.
>M
>/fgt/
>G
>A
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I'm looking for a scanner that does both 35mm and medium format well.
I realize I'll get what I pay for, but would prefer not to go bankrupt in buying it.
Any tips?
Not interested in DSLR scanning, but would like to get one which does a decent job.
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>>2882282
I've used a V700 but from what I'm seen and heard, it's a waste to use it on 35mm. You only really get the benefit from large MF and LF.
As usual upwards of 2000dpi isn't going to get much special. As it is, it'll miss much of the detail camera scanning or (well done) optical printing will give you.
>>2882234
Apologies for the double post
Don't count on it. Optical printing loses a lot of the detail from the negative, or so the theory goes (this is why theory testers will tell you that 5x4 will give you 400MP and tests consistently put it between 80 and 200) anyhow.
As an artistic choice it's not unheard of. Keep it flat (I hold the scanner roof down with something) and scan at a high DPI. If you make adjustments bear in mind that the border - should you include it - is taken into acct by the auto exposure "app".
Some people have talked about "wet scanning" but honestly Idk about it
This may sound like a stupid question, but can I use the same fixer for B&W and C41 or do I have to use separate ones?
>>2882304
separate ones
>>2882306
I see. As far as I understood it, I can reuse the Fixer for B&W, contrary to the developer which I mix when I need it right?
Is the Olympus Trip 35 a good starting point for a pleb to get into film point and shoot?
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Stupid film question: Is is the case that all film of a specific type is the same across all formats of that film? For example, is Ilford Delta 100 the same in 35mm, 120, and 4x5?
I ask because I want to do my own push/pull testing and it would be easier to do it on a sheet by sheet basis (4x5) than wasting an entire roll of 120 even though I will use the results from the test to shoot 120 film.
>>2882356
yes, but you may as well just get an slr with a program/auto mode
>mf vs 35mm tonality differences are a made-up meme
>the only difference is size of enlargements
>more grains per image surface don't change anything
>>2882396
top looks a lot better though
>>2882401
uh, of course it does. That's the fucking point.
>>2882402
Also how is that scanned?
>>2882403
but i thought the point was there is no difference?
>>2882379
The emulsion will be the same but the film base substrate might differ. So yes, freely test development variations between formats.
>>2882356
Its selenium lightmeter is prone to deterioration and giving bad readings. Look for autofocus cameras with a CdS/silicon lightmetering element (small tiny window instead of a large area like the one around the oly trip's lens, always require batteries) If you want to have some control and room to improve and learn more I strongly suggest a p&s rangefinder like a yashica electro 35, ricoh 500g etc.
>>2882346
Fixer is reusable several times (until it visibly stops fixing, usually between 7-12 rolls), different developers behave differently - some are "one shot" and are discarded after you develop a roll, some can be replenished by adding a bit more after each roll (when developing several rolls in one session, not days between), some by extending developing time for each consecutive roll etc. It's down to your developer of choice.
>>2882405
then why would he use sarcastic meme arrows? are you new to 4chin?
>>2882408
oh, sorry im not as cool as you
>>2882402
solely comparison in resolving power by format and tonality, given different times of day and optical elements in either image.
>>2882404
shittily on a joke of a flatbed with horrible inconsistent post
>>2882405
the point is mf and 35mm are extremely different in many noticeable regards and people arguing otherwise are totally entitled to their opinion but also fucking retards.
Now please stop posting about this, we already had the last thread ruined by this argument. I wouldnt have posted this if I hadnt just finished scanning my halfframe iso400 negs with the same testshot scene as a 6x9 folder test I did earlier.
>>2882396
that's what tonality means you retard, god you're thick
>>2882410
You're demonstrably the least cool person on this board. Lurk more, learn the culture, then go fuck yourself.
>>2882411
>solely comparison in resolving power by format and tonality, given different times of day and optical elements in either image.
does this not rely on the resolving power of the scanner more than the photo negative?
I mean, I get your point
but also
on 35mm
the results I get from my flatbed and the scans I get back from a local photo lab scanner guy are totally different.
>>2882420
>does this not rely on the resolving power of the scanner more than the photo negative?
No, because the size of the film grains are the same for both formats. Whatever extra detail you would pull out of the 35mm frame, you would also pull out of the MF frame. Granted, the 35mm lens is probably sharper given the demands of the format, but it's not 2 or 3 times sharper (while MF film is 2 or 3 or 5 times biggeR), and it's probably outresolving the film anyway.
>>2882416
>I honestly and seriously value and respect your opinion and you are a very intelligent and redeemable human being
>>2882420
not in this case, because the film grain's resolving power with this film ends before the scanner's resolving power does, as shit as it demonstrably is. Both these images are crops (to cover same scene as much as possible) of, respectively, a 6x9cm neg (105mm focal) and a halfframe 18x24mm neg (28mm focal) and they are really bad scans. I'm sure both you and the lab do a better job. The difference is still visible and relevant.
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>>2882396
I'm not convinced by your "comparison"
>supposedly comparing tonality
>taken at different times of day
completely idiotic. you might as well have not posted a picture
also
>using different enlargements
that pretty much ruins the point because the argument was never about the size of enlargements
How old is too old for
400tx
100tmax
Fijichrome 64
Assume it was stored in a basement
>>2882438 #
there is no universal ballpark figure.
c41? anything older than 90' has a high chance of looking irredeemably bad (grain, colour shift, loss of speed)
e6 slides? you might as well go play the lottery, anything goes
bw film? depends on speed. high iso degrades faster, 400 probably passable up to 70', tmax ditto (was it even made back then), bracket first 3-4 testshots, meter accordingly afterwards. speed loss, pronounced grain and fogging to be expected. colour film gets it worst.
>>2882435 #
you enlargemented my peepee
>>2882442
fuck off to your hugbox echochamber leddit and kill yourself you retard etc~
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>>2882396
>only shots he ever posts are snapshit """"test"""" shots
lmao kys my man
>>2882463
dw girl I've got more where that came from, i.e. this red filter testshot :^)
or this uv-pass filter testshot
Don't know much about film but I am going to Tampa FL for a week and bought some Fuji 400 disposable cameras just for shits.
I've gotten film developed and scanned before at Walgreens and it was the worst quality I have ever seen, never again.
What would be the best option to develop a few rolls and get some good (not the absolute best) scans?
any reccomendations on what film to use when first starting out?
i got a bunch of gear just dno what film to get/use
>>2882522
You'll eventually learn what film to use and when but for now just get relatively cheap stuff like superia 200
If you want to go a little higher I'd recommend shooting portra 160 and ektar 100 as they're very forgiving for color
For black and white it's a little dicier but I'd recommend starting off with tmax 100 or tri-x 400
You can get quite a lot of those at around 5 dollars a roll and then once you're familiar with stuff and have a couple favorites try getting into slide film
>>2882526
aight, i'll have a look around, thanks
>>2882509
>bought some Fuji 400 disposable cameras
>I've gotten film developed and scanned before at Walgreens and it was the worst quality I have ever seen
Disposable cameras always give horrible quality. I developed my film at Walgreens for a few years and never had problems. Never got their scans though. You'll find most places that offer scans offer sub-par resolution for pretty high prices. People who get good lab scans for <$10/roll have found a needle in a haystack.
>>2882235
Looks like you peed on it. Think I just need to try rescanning that one. Something seems to have gotten messed up with it.
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>>2882526
tmax is kind of a bad choice for a beginner, its really responsive to overexposure and overdevelopment
tri-x and hp5 are good because you can literally be a monkey and still come out with decent negatives
>>2882454
Does "might as well play the lottery" mean that its a slim chance it will work? The lottery is a billion to one odd right?
>>2882539
>tfw tmax, delta and acros are easy to use for me
>tfw never, ever, ever gonna get HP5 to look good EVER
Just doesn't work at all m8,
>>2882563
That's because HP5 is a garbage fucking film. I love pretty much everything else Ilford makes, but HP5 is just Tri-X except with disgusting clumpy grain.
>>2882563
>>2882564
I agree, its ugly as sin, but for a beginner its very hard to shoot a roll of hp5 or tri-x and come out with black, radically overexposed, blown-out, etc., otherwise fucked up negatives
tmax and delta are much nicer but have steeper learning curves because you have to be careful with development
>>2882567
>tmax and delta are much nicer
Highly debatable if t-grain films are better than traditional emulsions.
>>2882584
I was saying they're nicer than hp5
and that's not debateable :-)
>>2882564
HP5+ looks different than Tri-X. HP5+ has very smooth skin tones. Tri-X has that gritty documentary look. Both are great films. It comes down to what you want your photos to look like.
Ilford Pan 400 is also a great film. It's only sold in certain countries but looks excactly like HP5+.
It's my go to iso 400 film now. I buy it from ebay for 15 € three rolls
This picture is Pan 400 developed in Rodinal 1+50.
>>2882587
And Acros is much better than tmax or delta.
>>2882590
>Anonymous 07/14/16(Thu)01:16:05 No.2882588
And only available as ISO 100 now ;__;
>>2882588
>Tri-X has that gritty documentary look
>this meme again
this isn't 1970. emulsion is different
source: I've done side by side comparisons with hp5 and tri-x (I always shot tri-x but hp5 is cheaper here so I decided to compare). only discernible difference so far has been the grain structure. maybe a tiny tiny jump in contrast
it depends more on the developer than the film, anyway
>>2882593
You could always pick up some Neopan 400 off ebay
Question
If I am wanting to take a long exposure on 35mm using a 10stop ND filter, can I copy the desired settings from a DSLR that has just captured the shot I want? Or will the settings be different for film?
>>2882564
>>2882563
>>2882567
>garbage film
Remember, this is the PICTURE EDITION kids.
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>>2882601
>so I heard you like grain
it is fun being able to shoot handheld at night, tho
>>2882141
damn
>>2882601
Have a snapshit to make up for it fgt
>>2882598
Yeah, but I'm still sad to see it go since I'd still love to shoot it in 10 or 20 years.
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>>2882604
>fast color film
absolutely disgusting.
>>2882610
One more. Both are Fuji Acros pushed to 400, by the way.
>>2882610
>>2882611
like i said, its fun
still looks better than those overcooked turds tho :)
>>2882613
mm thats tasty
what setup/film?
>>2882594
Shoot people and compare the skin tones. HP5+ has really smooth skin tones. Tri-X shows blemisesh etc. better.
See my point?
>>2882618
cinestill 800 (so kodak 500t cross-processed in c41)
I like it because its the cheapest and most easily available tungsten based film around anymore, but damn is it grainy
I would honestly expose it at 320 or lower
>>2882628
>Dictating how people shoot film
You don't like it it when your food touches, don't you
>>2882601
>>2882564
>>2882563
>>2882567
>garbage film
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>>2882707
>garbage film
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>garbage film
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>>2882710
>garbage film
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>>2882711
also those tones are gross. flat and dull, man what are you doing?
>>2882712
>>2882711
Sorry, can't hear you over the sound of all this
>garbage film
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>>2882716
Don't forget the garbage image, too
>>2882721
>>2882713
>>2882711
All of YOUR pictures are really proving your point, aren't they?
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>>2882735
why would I post shitty hp5 pictures, when you're already doing that for me
>>2882738
Just a roll of 120. For me it's ok. but really not fine grained enough to justify the slow speed.
Something like FP4 is just as sharp, but a whole stop faster, and gives you massive latitude.
For a slow film I prefer Rollei Retro 80S or Ortho 25.
>>2882741
I'm guessing the case is the same for 35mm?
>tfw no 120 yet
I'd shoot portra 160 all day if I had something that could shoot 120 though
Found some old scans - I believe this is Portra NC 160
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>>2882599
no.
google reciprocity failure and look up data for your film. it might turn out you won't need such a strong nd filter for your desired exposure time, too.
I feel so happy cause I never knew how little 500/el's cost compared to regular 500s or even compared to the focal plane bodies
>>2882757
>static subject in daylight
>shoots wide open
>misses focus
4/10 for the on fleek 80's qt slut on hog meme
>>2882842
All that softness and LoCA on the chrome. The focus appears to be on her top hand.
Sorry, if that's stopped down and still abberating like that, I feel bad for you son. I assumed it was some f/4.5 memeya prime. Maybe it has focus shift too. Shoot better lenses.
>>2882842
Drew, drew... it's like you don't know anyone online can tell everything about your camera, optics, settings, digitising method, postprocessing steps and diameter of your left thigh solely by looking at your web resize photo. It's like your new here. Sweet socks in that photo, shame about that parking ticket in your backpocket and that coffee stain on your jeans, tho.
>>2882864
Slav, slav, it's like you don't know that when optical defects are plainly visible in the web-resized photo you took with professional equipment in the context of a professional shoot, you probably just fucked up.
>>2882610
>>2882611
Is that really what it looks like pushed, or is there some heavy editing involved too? What developer?
Acros in Rodinal is one of my favorite combos.
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>>2882871
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>>2882871
HC-110, and no there wasn't much processing there they were just high contrast scenes to begin with.
Personally I like the look sometimes, it's not for everything though and I haven't been pushing film as much anymore because I've been printing more and making decent prints from those negatives is hell. They scan fine, though.
Why film when you can get a Fuji XT-2?
>>2882940
This, with the filters provided within Fuji bodies and superior Leica-like lenses made by Fuji, there is literally no reason to shoot film in this day and age.
>>2882945
>>2882940
>samefagging this hard
>not posting pictures
Come back when Fuji can even come close to emulating ITS OWN FILM IN ITS OWN CAMERAS
>>2882954
We have light room for that, dummy. Get with the times.
INB4 "that's an extra step you have to take" well at least I don't have to wait hours to develop a single roll.
>>2882940
>Buys a digital camera that tries to look like a film camera, has ergonomics similar to a film camera, has a sensor design "inspired by the natural random arrangement of fine silver halide grains in film", and uses processing to try to imitate film
>Y-you don't need f-fucking film
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>>2882968
Well why not spend the money and get film quality, straight to digital, no fuzz or process, and lots post processing capabilities?
>>2882978
Because I don't want straight to digital, I want to hold negatives in my hands and spend long hours hunched over trays of smelly chemicals in a dimly red lighted room making wet prints from them because that's something that gives me satisfaction and results that I like. Before you came to this thread to shit on film and start proclaiming THERE'S LITERALLY NO REASON TO SHOOT FILM because it's not what you want, did it occur to you that other people may have their own reasons for liking it?
>>2882987
Wow, sniffing all those chemicals really messed you up. I'm glad I went Fuji
>>2882988
See OP, I'm glad I went Fuji too.
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I found a Canon Snappy S and a Pentax Espio 738 among my parent's old shit. Are these any good or just rubbish?
>>2883022
It's rubbish. buy a fuji instead.
>>2883025
I'm looking into a L35AF or Electro 35 or both.
Though I'd give them a whip before purchasing those.
>>2883028
Not what i meant, i meant get a fuji digital camera. don't bother with film.
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Best price on higher speed color film?
>>2882396
I know where you live, chuju jebany
>>2883123
finally someone satisfyingly stalky to check the visible street address in google maps with the characteristic street/building layout in a couple major cities, good grief that took a while. Yeah, my secret's out, I live on the topmost flight of stairs by the window :c
Here's your prize rodaku
>>2883131
too bad the context of this photo is understandable only for a polak
since it's /fgt/ I'm posting a photo too, focusing with Rollei 35 is fun and shit at the same time
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>>2883146
>literal mysterious shadowy figure
Yeah, I sometimes regret some of the passable stuff I do isn't suitable for an international audience.
>>2882848
Given there is no region of great sharpness and camera shake wasn't in play, I would more likely assume defect in the (shitty, consumer grade) scan.
I am pretty certain this is f4-5.6, and it is a Bronica kit lens. Not surprised at the purple fringing.
>>2883179
>Bronica kit lens
ETRS?
The 80mm on the SQ is absolutely perfect. Not entirely sure how much worse a 6x4.5 would be, unless you were absolutely crazy and owned a GS
Bronica or Mamiya?
>>2883181
What negative size? What focal lengths? What features do you need?
Just buy a fucking Bronica.
Drying marks on my negatives are driving me insane.
I have no access to distilled water. Will battery water help?
>>2883181
Pentax 645.
>>2883182
120/220
The two I'd most need would be a short tele and something a bit wide like something with a 75 degree fov like a 24-28mm 35mm equivalent
>What features do you need?
I'd like it to have a built in meter but it's not completely necessary
>>2883183
add two drops of dishwashing liquid to final rinse. or any other non-viscous detergent. distilled water is sold everywhere people use steam irons, strange you've no access. Ice from your freezer smell aside is literally condensed moisture, without any groundwater ions - it's a poor man's distilled water in a pinch.
>>2883183
Deionised water works fine. Photoflo or tiny amount of dishwashing liquid (like dilute 1/10 and use 1 drop, if it foams its too much) may also help.
>>2883186
>120/220
Yeah, that was assumed. Are you wanting to shoot 6x4.5, 6x6, 6x7 or 135 pano?
You can get finders for some systems with a meter if you REALLY needed it.
Priority features on MF are things like what finder you can use, shutter speed, leaf/focal plane shutter, mirror lock up or different backs (like 135 pano).
As for a wide lens, you'll be able to get your hands on fairly wide lenses like the 35mm f3.5 for M645 or 40mm f4 for the Bronica SQ system which are about 22-24mm (135 eqv).
>>2883194
A really, really silly question. Have you tried your supermarket or a car store if you have one?
As for drying marks, I sometimes get them even with photoflo/washing up liquid. Usually depends on the temperature in my house and how humid it is.
During summer like now where the average temp inside is 22-24c it happens all the time. So much that I need to switch my dehumidifier off while drying film.
>>2883192
Thanks
I'd love a 6x4.5 and 6x7 back which it appears I can get along with an sq-a real cheap
Is there anywhere that I can read about the different models easily? Like what's the difference between the sq-a, sq-b, and etrs
>>2883196
Yep I've checked. They only sell deionized water and not distilled.
I got skimpy and bought Fomapan 100 instead of Acros.
Terrible film. Unsharp, coarse grain for an iso 100 film and very gray tonality.
And I bough 5 rolls of that shit.
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>>2883209
>bad workman, tools, blame, etc~
foma can only justify its emulsions with their price, and even then by a slim margin.
>>2883198
Places like camera wiki or camerapedia have some info, searching model numbers will give you sometimes older html pages with a wealth of info.
A note, Smaller bodies like the M645, ETRS, SQ etc will only shoot that format or smaller. For 6x7 you need to move up to something like the RB/RZ67 or GS-1.
Bronica SQ will shoot 6x6, 135 (36x24) and 135 pano all with different backs.
Mamiya 645 will shoot 6x4.5 and 135 (36x24)
Another thing I forgot to mention regarding features is the availability of a grip/motor drive. since MF SLR's are more of a box shape, if you prefer shooting like a 35mm/DSLR you may want to pick up a grip and prism finder, both of which will add a good bit of weight onto the rig.
Butkus.org has manuals for a variety of cameras and accessories. Don't be scared to read through 'em for a few days before settling for a camera.
If focal length multipliers confuse you then use this site: https://www.pointsinfocus.com/tools/depth-of-field-and-equivalent-lens-calculator/
>>2883209
I have a few untouched rolls of Foma 100 in my fridge.
I shoot F400 regularly though because it's cheap. It's my official snapshit emulsion.
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>>2883180
My phrasing was bad. It's an ETRS. The lens is a fine design, but my scanning workflow has always been shit and shows all kinds of weird stuff.
Wide open at f2.8, this image would look very different, and given that the whole image is mushy, I guess I was wondering what would make someone conclude it was a focus issue. I might learn something.
>>2883238
m8, you're reading too far into it.
It is a focus issue. the plane of focus is sharp, it's just behind the front of the bike.
Look at the kickstand and the bitumen around it, you can see the plane of focus.
And like i said, her hand and face are sharp too.
And even then, it wouldn't have been AS much of an issue if it wasn't for the subject matter being 90% polished chrome, which is the absolute best way to show longitudinal chromabs. If you'd just rocked back on your heels 10cm, that pinkish glow on your highlights would be gone, and Kim Wilde would have still been plenty sharp.
Remember your DOF extends further behind the plane of focus than it does in front.
>>2883242
>breaking my own thread rules
PICTURE EDITION
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>>2882161
lol
>>2882438
I dont think you can develop fujichrome anymore?
>>2883246
absolute ASS
>>2883248
I don't think you should post when you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
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>>2883248
You can't develop kodachrome you dongus.
>>2883184
Ever thought of people wanting to be able to swap out viewfinders and backs and even shoot the camera without a grip attached?
I'm looking at getting a Bronica, in this case I'm eyeing up either the GS-1 and the S2a
>>2883394
Fall for the square format meme instead.
How do all the different Bronica systems compare, anyway? I really like my SQ but I always wondered what the others are like, it seems like they just made a bunch of very similar square brick bodies but each with its own format and set of lenses.
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>>2883250
:^)
glad you like it then
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>>2883399
I wouldn't mind a GS-1 tbqh with a 6x4.5 and 6x6 back or two. The only problem is the lack of 35mm pano back and wide lenses.
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>>2883399
I said S2, not SQ. The S2/S2a are older focal plane bodies, they're entirely mechanical as well.
The S2 focal plane also had interchangeable focusing helicoids and its lenses were mostly Nikkor glass
>>2883408
I want a GS-1 mainly because I want to shoot 6x7 but I want a body that's small and compact. And the GS-1 seems to be the smallest and most compact 6x7 slr out there
>>2883421
I was focusing on the GS-1 you mentioned. Why would you want an S2 over an SQ anyway though? Focal plane is inferior to leaf shutters, mechanical is inferior to electronic, the Nikkor lenses aren't really any better than the Bronica lenses. The SQ system is pretty much better in every way.
>>2883425
It's not that much better. sure it's got more electronics and leaf shutters but leaf shutters are only good for flash sync. the S2a goes up to 1/1000. As well because of the interchangeable helicoids you can make your own lenses and there was even adapter so that you could attach lenses designed for Nikon's reflex housing lenses. There is an electronic version, the EC-TL, which besides being electronic also has TTL metering built into the camera body. THe only benefit of leaf shutters besides the flash sync is them being quieter which with an SLR like the SQ or even a hasselblad isn't going to make much of a difference as it's still oging to be quite loud because of the sound of the mirror flipping up and down. As well with the S2a the mirror is in two pieces that both flip back when firing the shutter which allows for lenses that recess deeper into the body without the need for mirror lockup. And since the shutter isn't in the lens lenses were made by third party manufacturers as well
does film "self-correct"?
I developed my very first film and one thing that got me was how well exposed every single shot was. I am using an all-manual camera and I'm pretty sure I must've been off on some of my shots, especially some of the low-light indoor shots that I pretty much guessed the shutter speed at 3 seconds.
did I get really fucking lucky, or does film have some tendency to develop towards some normal exposure?
>>2883482
well if you had a lab develop it then they probably adjusted the scans/prints
but yeah film has an amazing exposure latitude when compared to digital, its the only reason i shoot is, well that and the cameras are cooler
why are you guys so obsessed with scanning and film emulsions, it's all the same shit.
no one cares how sharp your photos are, it's all about the content
using a fucking drum scanner isn't going to turn your mf photo of a tractor in the desert into gold
you guys are worse than pixel peeping digi fags
i love film tho
>>2883501
I developed and scanned it myself. It's quite impressive, very forgiving. Another reason not to miss the chimp
>>2883504
>Not pixel peeping Adox to shame digifags.
>>2883474
>>2883504
I'm really concerned with your post. You don't seem to own a keyboard with a shift key. You do however have access to some punctuation.
Now this is where it gets really crazy. You just have no respect for fullstops at all. Used on the first sentence only after you used a comma. Then no more. It's all about the comma and apostrophe.
How the fuck are you still alive?
I don't give a fuck about scanning, I do care about properties of the film though. I care about lattitude, grain and ease of development. I care about content too much, to the point of not posting.
i love digital tho
>>2883523
>haha! a spelling error! now i don't have to respond to the argument!
also it's called a period you fucking bong .
>>2883537
I responded to your post. I really need to know how you're still alive as you seem to be legally blind too or have no reading comprehension. Tell me how you have not drunk a quart of bleach yet?
I'm not sure you're also aware of what an argument is; you certainly have issues with reading comprehension.
>>2883430
One of the best parts about the leaf shutters in the SQ is the glorious T-mode. Makes long exposures an absolute joy to do. No stupid cable releases or anything needed.
>>2883504
>no one cares how sharp your photos are, it's all about the content
Agreed. But there is a certain quality benchmark that should be reached. Otherwise you're leaving out qualities that will make a great photo even better.
People talking about lines per mm are lame as fuck, but wanting to get decent scans of your images is totally reasonable.
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>>2883539
is this a moonlight long exposure or a night+early dawn combo?
also; pls dont diss lpm, not everyone has the luxury of being picky ;<
>>2883541
Moonlight + dying campfire (hence the slightly red light on the tree bark). Exposure time ~10-15 minutes I think (though part of me wants to say it was closer to 30).
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>>2883539
Seeing as you mentioned sharpness, Why is yours so unsharp?
Is it because the camera moved and the slide is not sharp, or because you don't know how to sharpen?
>>2883571
The tree bark is pretty sharp. From what I remember the slide was sharp.
Bottom of the frame is soft because this is shot at f3.5 and focused on the tree. Top of the tree is soft because the branches were blowing in the wind.
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Anyone has experience shooting this kawaii film?
>>2883593
Probably seen this a thousand times, but I finally decided to buy a decent camera and got an a6000, although pictures are great, I'm a bit more interested in shooting video and it only does 1080 which is slightly worrying from what I've seen.
The a6300 is 500 bucks more, which is money I just don't have right now.
Did I fuck up? I want to learn how to use a camera before spending a thousand bucks on something, am I a retard?
>>2883612
Why the fuck are you posting in a film thread?
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>>2883612
for what purposes do you need anything more than 1080p in 2016? If your videos are looking crummy it's most likely because you haven't set it up right and you don't have an understanding of how light impacts a shot
>>2883621
because he's a truly dedicated shill. The
>am I a retard?
bit is merely a device to get another bickering thread going to keep his brand on the front page
>>2883631
Fucking excuse me?
Are you insane?
Finally got a tablet. It makes cleaning dust/scratches on negs so much easier than using a trackball.
Still finding it hard to correct the purple streak the V550 seems intent on placing in every image tho.
>>2883593
>>2883594
what a qt looking film.
>>2883612
>am I a retard?
Most certainly.
>>2883631
>not filling every corner of the board with A6k/A63k/A7 shilling whenever you can. Why even live?
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>>2883605
have you shot it before?
I've been looking for a cheap t-balanced film to shoot at night
>>2882165
holy, where is this?
>>2883453
It would be hard to find a still.
Just developed my first roll of B&W film (Ilford Delta 3200).
Is it supposed to be this grainy?
Also, some of my pictures had these nasty marks from drying. Is there anything I can add/do during or after the final rinse to make sure that these don't show up?
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>>2883730
>is it supposed to be this grainy
yup. shoot and develop at 1600, the film is literally overrated at 3200. honestly trix 400 pushed to 3200 would probably look better.
>>2883734
Don't touch your film and scratch it all up with a squeegee you impatient animal, just dip it in photo-flo and let it air-dry.
>>2883730
what did you rate the film at (shot at what iso), what developer, temperature, time and agitation scheme did you use? All these factors influence grain size.
Delta 3200 is natively a iso1000 film, it is the grainiest film out there outside of fomapan 400 and old expired stocks
>>2883732
>>2883742
should've mentioned: was shot on a shitty olympus P&S, no manual controls whatsoever. Developer was some Rodinal (R09) one shot at 20°C, developed 11 minutes, agitated for 5 seconds every minute. No stop bath used, just rinsed it with cold water for 2 minutes. Fixer was also from the same brand as the developer, left in there for 4 minutes, agitated every 30 seconds. Final rinse was 10 minutes at 20°C. Will try to shoot it at 1600 in the future.
>>2883734
>>2883735
alright, will order some photo flo. Never really had this problem with C41, but I guess that's because of the Stabilizer at the end
>>2883603
>Probably something like Fujicolor C200 or one of the ceased Agfa stocks.
It's an ISO 400 film and only 27 exposures which is weird since I don't know other films which only has 27 exposures. The Fujifilm C200 is ISO 200 and 36 exposures.
>discontinued film stock
It's expiration is on 12/2017 so it's pretty new. If it's a rebrand then it's emulsion is probably still being produced.
Anyone here has experience or has a MR-9 Battery Adapter for Film Camera & Exposure Meter / Mercury MR9 PX625 PX13?
>https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CTNZ9H0/sr=1-1/qid=1468605679/ref=olp_product_details?_encoding=UTF8&me=&qid=1468605679&sr=1-1
Are these worth it and last long as in 5 years or more?
It's an adapter for using your usual lr44 to cameras that needs the old PX625 mercury battery.
Or should I buy a real mercury battery instead?
>https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=+px625&rh=n%3A172282%2Ck%3A+px625
>https://www.amazon.com/Exell-Battery-MRB625-1-35-Volt-White/dp/B00HWFCAYK/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1468606332&sr=1-4&keywords=px625
>>2883022
You'll only know when you try them. Buy a few 24exp rolls if you're not confident in the cameras. I got a little fixed focus Polaroid something from a charity shop for £1.50 and ended up loving the lo-fi lens. Give it a punt and see!
>>2883022
Honestly they are probably fine in daylight. Chances are the lens aren't fast but sharp enough for 35mm, especially if they are more 'recent' point and shoots. autofocus and autoexposure are probably hit or miss in challenging light but it should work out fine in bright overcast light.
>>2883728
holy shit youre retarded
polish?
>>2883748
just buy hearing aid batteries at your grocery store. a pack of like 12 is 8$. Yeah, they drain while the camera is off and only last a few months, but they are cheap and everywhere.
>>2883743
photo flo is extraneous, just use a distilled water rinse after regular water rinse
rodinal is a grainy developer
>>2883743
>no stop bath
why?
>>2883799
anything else gives finer results.
a vinegar dilution works for a stop bath.
First test roll from my new Nikon FE.
Shot with shitty lab scanned Agfa Vista 200.
1/4
She almost fell down the stairs lol
2/4
Agfa Vista is really shitty in the shadows
3/4
Last one, I've got another 9 rolls of the stuff. Grabbed a load while it's only £1.
4/4
>>2883845
I completely disagree. While usually you'd expose for the midtones, I usually meter 1/3 or 2/3 below for safety.
>>2883799
Xtol or DDX
imo stop bath is also extraneous, unless you have really short developing times (i.e. less than 6 minutes) in which case you should probably change your process to something longer
>>2883861
What's the benefit of a longer process?
>>2883862
most importantly its easier to control
if your dev time is 4 minutes, and you accidentally dev for 4:30, it can make a considerable difference and might blow out your highlights. but if your dev time is 12 minutes and you develop for 30 seconds too long, you probably won't notice anything
also short times like that usually means your developer is too strong, which will lead to other problems like high contrast, high grain, extremely upswept curve, etc.
>>2883863
Thanks, appreciate the response. So if I used a weaker dilution for longer, that'd be better? So bummed out that my only developer is out of date cos I've got two rolls to do (Pan 400 at 800, and HP5 at box speed), tried to get more on Wednesday but they were sold out.
>>2883866
it depends on the developer too -- a lot of times changing the dilution changes the effects, e.g. Xtol undiluted is actually less grainy than it is diluted
if you can manage your time well and don't have problems with overdevelopment, and you like the way your film looks, you don't have to change. it's just a personal recommendation as someone who doesn't use stop bath
p.s. expired developer doesn't always mean its bad. some forumlas keep for a long time. I continue to use rodinal after the exp. date, sometimes it turns right brown but it still works fine
>>2883868
I appreciate the knowledge! I'm only just starting to stray from the beaten path of doing everything exactly how the box wants, so I'm keen to listen to folk doing it other ways.
It's Ilfosol 3, been open for 4 months and a few days. It's probably fine but I'm too scared to risk it! Do like the idea of rodinal, but HP5 is my go to film and it's pretty grainy to begin with.
>>2883870
I've never used Ilfosol 3, but supposedly it doesn't keep for very long. what you can do is clip off the film leader and test it in some developer, and compare that to a film leader that you already had developed (it should be black)
but if you have some important rolls and you don't want to risk it, I would just throw it out...
if you look up a book called "way beyond monochrome" its an extremely useful learning tool for developing and printing techniques which taught me a lot. its probably the most comprehensive book you can get but after that point knowledge just comes down to personal experience and testing out different techniques on your own
>>2883873
Yeah I had a poke around online and where people were using it (doesn't seem too common) they all said it spoils like crazy. I only got one roll out of the bottle I opened before I got caught up in the last few asignments of my degree. Shame, but what can you do! It's not expensive.
Thanks for the recomendation! As I said I'm just starting to experiment with playing with different speeds so it'll be fun to play around when I have the chems and time.
found this today, do they take decent photos? Where the hell can I find 110 film?
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>>2883743
don't develop d3200 with rodinal, it accentuates grain and gives poor speed (shadow detail), try with a faster developer next time like xtol, microphen or dd-x
>>2883875
>do they take decent photos
lol make an educated guess
>Where the hell can I find 110 film
lomography is the only place you can get newly manufactured film, and its expensive. otherwise buy it expired off ebay or split film and load cassettes yourself
>>2883877
>lomography
cool
>>2883877
Are there any 110 cameras with manual controls besides the Ektramax and the Minolta 110 zooms?
>>2883845
all color negative films are, you need to expose more
>>2883881
literally why would you try to use 110 for anything other than a fun toy
>>2883888
You could use it for macro work because of the smaller image size which would give you increased DoF. MFT sensors are basically the same size as a 110 negative so having something that's really light and can get in crazy close but keep a large portion of the image in focus would be a godsend, and I don't want to try my hands at DIY'ing one together
>>2883896
yeah but you can't really enlarge 110 bigger than 4x6. I've seen some "okay" 5x7s, but that's pushing it
best beginner film set up that has value but isn't dirt cheap?
including the camera name, exact film, etc
>>2883902
Literally any SLR you find in a thrift store with a 50mm lens attached for $20 or less. Whatever film you want, I guess start with Tri-X if you want black and white and have no preference, or whatever cheap Superia or Kodak Gold or something if you want color.
I love my Nikon gear but honestly Nikon costs a bit more just because the name is still recognizable and popular and the lens mount isn't dead, any other camera from Pentax or Olympus or whatever else would work just as well.
Unless you're really destitute, don't bother with Praktica or other communist garbage.
>>2883902
Any SLR in good working order, a lens for that SLR, and some cheap ass film (Kodak Gold or Ultramax, or Fujicolor 200).
Film isn't like digital. The camera body is not a very important part of the equation. It's essentially a complicated box that holds the film. As long as it's working properly and has the features you want then it'll be great.
Lens wise, most SLRs came with really good 50mm primes (f1.4, f1.7 or f2 most of the time). So just pick an SLR that comes with a lens.
Something like a Pentax P30 with a SMC-A 50mm 1.7 can be had for almost nothing. They don't have a hipster tax like the K1000 or AE-1.
I'd suggest buying from eBay or your local thrift store. Don't buy a camera off eBay that's 'As Is' or 'haven't tested it but last time I used it it worked'. Both of these mean the camera is broken.
If you're buying from a thrift store check the camera thoroughly. Shutter operation, light seals, viewfinder has a clear image etc.
Or if you don't want to go down the SLR route just pick up a cheap point and shoot. People are practically throwing them away these days
>>2883902
>camera name
Leica 0-Serie Nr.107
>exact film,
Efke IR820
>>2883839
>>2883841
>>2883845
>>2883847
good results, the afga vista colours look great for such cheap film, shadows are quite grainy but still not the worst by a long shot
i shot my first roll on fuji supreme 200 and second on afga vista 200 but am still waiting for them back from the lab, hopefully i get as good results as you did
>>2883719
But north of Kyoto City.
>>2883670
>using a trackball
>shatbedding
>boots up windows 95 and walks the dinosaur
shit niqqa get with the times
>>2883928
Good luck. Don't be too disappointed if your first few rolls aren't anything special, it takes a while to get the hang of. But you'll keep coming back, there will be a few photos on your first roll that you'll just love and then after that you'll be hooked (pic related was mine).
Look up how to use a split-prism focusing screen. This is the way SLR's focus, and it's very accurate if you know what you're doing.
Good luck and enjoy it!
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What's your workflow to digitize your negs?
>>2883930
>using a trackball
Too painful to use a regular mouse for more than small bursts.
>shatbedding
I'm fine with it, I'll DSLR scan if I really want to. I don't.
>>2883901
I wouldn't enlarge them, id's scan them. I might get a pentax auto 110 and put the lens on backwards to see what I get, though with how short the focal lengths are it makes you wonder why they didn't just release extension tubes for it
>>2883939
From memory it was Ultramax on a 50mm 1.7 lens. It's a bit underexposed because I was still learning.
The location is what makes it interesting. It's a big record exchange in my city which feels like the land that time forgot. The lighting is always very dingy in there
>>2883791
Absolutely no need for a stop bath with a rodinal dev.
Generally no need for a stop bath at all, just rinse thoroughly with water.
Unless you're using a stupidly active developer (as in sub-5 minute dev times) or a stupidly contrasty film, AND you're working towards lab perfect density roll to roll.
Does anyone have that meme that has something like expensive digital gear and software to try to emulate the film look and then says "shooting film: priceless" ??
Nikkor AI 50mm 1.8, Kodak portra 400
>>2883915
spoiler: you shot the same film twice. Agfa is rebranded Fuji. You will notice if you compare the reds and the greens.
Alright, It's time for me to finally man the fuck up and do my first batch of C-41 at home.
I've got a digibase liquid kit. Reading conflicting reports of shelf-life on mixed chemicals. Seen some people saying as little as 6 hours, seeing some say you can store as long as a year.
I store my chemicals airtight, away from light and cold.
I should be okay to process say 5 rolls, store, process another couple in a week or so, right?
I know Blix is the thing that will let me down first.
>>2883976
Yes that should be fine
Source: random internet stranger
>>2883976
I've been developing with the same chemicalsize for 2 months or so now (1 liter mixture) and they are still fine
>>2883945
Is it really the best metred Nikon camera?
So I'm just trying to determine the 'bottlenecks' of 35mm photography in terms of image quality (from least important to most).
5. Camera body, has little if any impact of the quality of picture
4. Developing the film, doesn't really differ in quality from lab-to-lab. Even street labs and high street chains develop well.
3. The film itself. Most films are fairly capable, some have finer grain/colours.
2. Camera lens, is s bit factor on the quality of the overall image. Better glass = better images.
1. Quality of scans. Even the best images can look shit from a poor quality scan.
I'd probably say a couple of these can be interchangeable but is this about right?
>>2884145
I'd argue that digitisation method is least important as it's a matter of extracting existing IQ - so you should focus on the factors that influence that foremost. Even the finest grain emulsion won't have any use if the image projected by the lens isn't sharp enough so optics' IQ is the main, biggest bottleneck imo. Film choice, second, development, third, because you can get extremely different iq from the same film exposed identically with different developers and processes - at least in b/w. Dye cloud based colour films, especially positives, are arguably best if we only consider widely available consumer grade films. So in decreasing order, lens, film, development, scan, body is irrelevant outside of mirror slap camera shake or proper focal plane film placement issues.
>>2884145
Correct exposure is a big bottleneck to achieving maximum quality results. Colour negative film needs to be 'overexposed'/metered for shadows in order to retain any sort of shadow detail. Colour reversal / slide film has a very small sweet spot and needs to be exposed exactly right in order to not blow the image out.
Labs can be a limiting factor, to a degree. You won't see much if any difference between 2 professional labs but the results you recieve from pharmacy and corner store labs will be wildly varying.
>>2884145
Use good photographic technique, is first and foremost. Focus correctly, expose correctly for your film, hold the fucking camera still.
There are so many excellent lenses out there now that there really is no excuse for using trash zooms or third-party 28mm's from the 70's; anything else is likely more than capable of great results on film, so I'd rank that a way down the list of things to worry about.
For example, the 5D kit zoom, the 24-105/4, would absolutely crush it on a film body.
The film/dev is important because it does place a ceiling on ultimate IQ, depending on what you choose, but again, you'd be amazed at the potential of carefully exposed 400 color negative sometimes.
The scan can only see what's there at best, as the slav said, however its a sad fact that most commercial film scanning technology stopped developing around the time when a computer screen showed 800x600 on a good day.
But as 24mp and up DSLR scans become the norm, I think we'll be close to what most people working with normal processes can expect to see from their film.
What BW films are still available in 220-format?
>>2884223
Portra 160 and Fuji 160NS is the only film I know of that's still being made in 220. There's no real demand for 220 anymore, and companies make more profit if they sell 120 since the $/frame is higher than 220. Companies stopped making 220 film a while ago. If I remember correctly Ilford stopped in the early 2000s.
There's still a lot of stock left on eBay though, but I wouldn't count on finding anything on a consistent basis.
The fact of the matter is if you want to shoot medium format in 2016 you'll have to shoot 120. It's a miracle 120 is even still being produced in this day and age
>>2883786
>just buy hearing aid batteries at your grocery store. a pack of like 12 is 8$. Yeah, they drain while the camera is off and only last a few months, but they are cheap and everywhere.
Don't they have difference voltage? Like if they are 1.55V they might damage my OM-1.
>>2884238
nope they are 1.35v. even if they were higher it would just give you an off meter reading which you could compare to another meter like your phone and compensate for.
Mamiya C330 with Ektar 100
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>>2884250
resize buddy, especially since it's blurry as shit at 100%. learn to focus properly or use a faster shutter speed
>>2884242
>nope they are 1.35v. even if they were higher it would just give you an off meter reading which you could compare to another meter like your phone and compensate for.
Are all hearing aid batteries the same? Like same size and same 1.35V?
>>2884145
film developing should be much higher up on the list, probably equal to the lens quality
it can really fuck over your highlights / grain / sharpness
>>2884250
don't shoot straight up open in midday, those harsh lights are killing her skin balance. If you must shoot at that time use shades from a tree or something
>>2884242
I've seen hearing aid batteries go for 1.4V none of the have 1.35V are they the same?
>>2884265
How were you able to fit the 1.4V hearing aid batteries in the compartment since the mercury battery is bigger?
I've never shot black and white film before. Where's a good place to start? I've heard Tri-X and HP5 are the best?
>>2884287
My personal favorites are Tri-X for cubic grain and Acros 100 for T-grain. I would suggest trying both types, cubic is the old-school look and is more forgiving while T-grain has higher resolution and looks more "modern".
Also you should use a color filter almost all the time, at least a yellow. If not you'll get really low contrast and overly bright skies.
Not sure if good or bad idea but I cut my negs into individual frames from one long strip and put them under my phone case to flatten them out and by using a multicolor backlight is able to scan them via DSLR. My question is will it scratch my screen up if I put the ends down towards it? Should I flip it and reverse it in post?
>>2884292
So if I'm using tri-X 400 I should set my ISO to 200?
>>2884287
Lol just shoot in colour and convert to black and white in Photoshop. It's 2016 for christs sake.
>>2884287
Both are good, get a roll of each and see what you prefer.
>>2884295
>if you're not using a camera with TTL metering
check your camera manual and it should tell you
>>2884297
kill yourself
>>2884305
It's not TTL its a Nikon FE. I've actually got a couple of yellow/orange filters I never knew what they were for.
>>2884308
The FE has TTL center weighted metering.
>>2884287
RED FILTER
TRI-X
EXPOSE FOR SHADOWS
IGNORE EVERY ONE ELSE
>>2884297
This tbqh
>>2884307
>he's never shot in colour and converting to black and white
>>2884321
tfw no red filter.
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Is there any point in pushing Tri-X nowadays or should I just apply extra constant in post?
My local lab has to send the film away if you want to push/pull and almost charges double the price.
>>2884340
>pushing film
>local lab
Last time I checked, labs charge more to process B/W usually anyway. It's easier to do it at home and you have more control.
anyone have tips for spooling 120 film? I got myself a 617 camera and every fucking time I muck up the spooling such that the film isn't taught. My photos come out slightly distorted thanks to an uneven film plane. It's very frustrating. I've operated a Hasselblad for years without issue.
>>2884297
shooting in b&w is a whole different mindset compared to color. You have to change the way you photograph against angles, backdrops, shadows, etc.
I'm having trouble with the concept of pushing and pulling for black and white home development and I'd appreciate some help.
I'm using box speed 400 film, if I meter and develop at 1600 is that a two stop push? (400, 800, 1600?)
What if I meter at 200, and develop at 400? Or meter at 200 and develop at 800? Or meter at 800 and develop at 1600? What do I gain or lose by mixing and matching in that way (metering at one speed, developing for another).
>>2884350
huh?
What 617?
How can you "muck it up"?
Maybe add some packing material around the supply spool to give it a little more tension as you wind it on?
Also, don't leave film in the camera, it will lose tension if it's left to sit. Shoot the whole roll every time you load it.
>>2884417
6x17. I muck it up by not having the film catch properly. Every time I feed it into the opposing spool, the feeding spool loses tension. What I always did with the hasselblad was fold the film end after it went through the hole in the spool. That doesn't work here, and I think it's because the distance between spools allows for so much tension to disappear with the tiniest mistake in loading.
>>2884417
>>2884426
I meant what camera.
You sound like you've never loaded film correctly before, and the habblesad had been tolerant of your failure.
To load 120, hold both spools in your hands.
Break the band, and slot the tongue of the new film into the takeup spooland go round once or twice until it holds itself on.
Then put the takeup spool in the camera, all the time holding the supply spool in your hand so it stays wound tight.
Once the takeup spool is locked in, draw the supply spool back across the gate, keeping the leader taut with your thumb.
Put it in the camera, and still keeping thumb tension on it, use the camera's winder to wind the leader to the start mark.
Close the back, wind on your film.
pushing and pulling really just increases density (contrast). it doesn't actually increase iso, so its pretty useless for increasing shadow detail. just comes down to taste really. if you like shadow detail, expose more. if you want more contrast, develop more. it makes sense to develop more if you shot low contrast scenes (indoors, flash) and to develop less if you shot high contrast scenes (outdoors with direct sunlight).
for example, shooting 400 speed film at 200 will yield full detail in shadows. the more you develop, the more contrast there will be, so you'll probably blow out your highlights if you develop too long, especially since you exposed it a stop more than required.
>>2884297
Too add to what other people have said. Shooting b/w and developing yourself can be stupid cheap.
<$3/roll total investment cheap.
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Do any of you fuck with film scanners? Is sending them to a photolab easier/better?
>>2882533
>People who get good lab scans for <$10/roll have found a needle in a haystack.
Go to Japan
Recently scanned a snapshit
Velvia 100F I think, yashica LM
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>>2884531
I live there. Recommendations? What price/resolution we talking about?
>>2882235
Perhaps it's time to try a radial filter.
>>2884539
I found yodobashi or horiuchi color scans to be decent. Maybe I have a lower idea of "quality" though.
>>2884544
What size (pixels x pixels) were the scans roughly?
>>2884536
>wasting frames of velveeta
>not removing the massive chunk of dust in the only bright object in the frame
>>2884416
>I'm using box speed 400 film, if I meter and develop at 1600 is that a two stop push? (400, 800, 1600?)
yes!
>What if I meter at 200, and develop at 400?
>or 800?
>or 1600?
then you have both overexposed and overdeveloped, to varying degrees... your negatives will be dense and black and useless
>What do I gain or lose by mixing and matching in that way (metering at one speed, developing for another)
this is a weird question. the consequences would be different but you're just going to be over- or under- developing your negatives. I think you need to work on your basic understanding of exposure and development before thinking about all these hypotheticals
>>2884323
>he's never shot in colour and converting to black and white
yeah, for good reason
that shot looks like garbage
literally why would you do this? its not cheaper
>>2884554
4464x3086
pic related, downsized ofc.
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>>2884596
Oh, and 1000Y for scan/dev one roll.
>>2884574
Exactly.
It surprisingly looks even worse in colour.
>>2884454
Couldn't you just save yourself the hassle and use curves in Photoshop with greater control?
>>2884679
Trying to brighten/up/fluxing curves in editing software to darker areas can be problematic with noise in some cases
>>2884596
>>2884598
Damn, maybe I'll start getting scans from them. Shit looks good. Thanks anon!
Hey FGTs, I got me some thrift store finds. Anything you can tell me about the Owen 3.5/200 tele? Doesn't seem to be much info on Owen around, is it a rebrand or some obscure manufacturer?
The Nettar came with a partially shot roll inside, can't wait to see what's on it.
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>>2884433
The camera is a 617 Dayi back for large format. I'd love a linhof or even one of the handheld Dayi 617 camera, however they are very expensive.
So you're supposed to load the end spool /outside/ of the camera! Okay, that makes a lot of sense. With the hassleblad it was ridiculously easy to load with both spools inside the film back, already locked in. That's a great way to keep the tension, though. Thanks!
>>2884454
Thanks, that's really helpful!
>>2884571
Cheers, I have a good grasp of metering in my head and of exposure, it's just translating that into playing around with box speeds/dev times I'm tripping up on. Finding it hard to visualise that extra axis.
A small underexposure will help with shadow detail, while a small overdevelop will help with density? And I can use one or both techniques together provided I don't go too far?
>>2884745
Hang on I got that backwards...overexposure for shadow detail (400 speed film metered for 200 = one extra stop).
So where does the advice "underexpose, and overdevelop" come from? I've seen it loads.
>>2884747
it's "expose for the shadows (ie, overexpose), develop for the highlights (under develop)"
>>2884752
Which would mean my shadows would be slightly brighter, and my highlights slightly duller? But if film has such good latitude in regards to the highlights why is the underdeveloping important? Surely those highlights would be preserved anyway to within a few stops? Is it a hangover from the analog printing days? I remember someone a while ago who would show up in every film thread and rudely call pushing a meme.
Sorry for the nooby questions, I've been shooting film regularly for about a year but I've never really strayed outside of doing exactly as the box says. There are lots of articles out there but /p/ tends to explain it better. Appreciate it, thanks.
>>2884679
yeah, sure but pushing/pulling are methods that predate digital software, so it was the only way to get printable negatives when under/over exposing.
if you're scanning you'll want to expose and develop in a way to get the lowest contrast possible, to retain as much detail in highlights and shadows, then you can edit to taste digitally. two bath developers are recommended for their compensating effect. diafine in particular is reccomended by some, since it yields relatively fine grain, excellent shadow detail even when underexposed (shoot tri-x at 1200 with full shadow detail), and is extremely easy to use. http://www.tmax100.com/photo/pdf/devforscan.pdf
>>2884752
no fuck off
>>2884747
underexposing and overdeveloping is just what "pushing" film means (becos you aren't actually increasing the ISO)
>>2884759
>Which would mean my shadows would be slightly brighter, and my highlights slightly duller?
yes, overexposing and underdeveloping is called "pulling" film and is a way to reduce contrast
>But if film has such good latitude in regards to the highlights why is the underdeveloping important? Surely those highlights would be preserved anyway to within a few stops?
you're right to a degree, many people overexpose film without changing the development, film can handle it. but in certain situation where there's high contrast, e.g. you're shooting an outdoor scene with really bright sunlight and really strong dark shadows, then you may want to hold back on development so your negative isn't so contrasty
>>2884745
>A small underexposure will help with shadow detail, while a small overdevelop will help with density?
underexposure will reduce shadow detail
overdevelopment will help "slightly" with density, but its all going to be density towards the highlight side
what you need to understand is there's no such thing as "develop at 400". its not a fixed time. what you find on the box is just a -recommendation- by Kodak or Ilford or whatever, using a controlled lab setting. your actual ideal development time you will discover as you develop more film, and end up deciding what suits you the best. from then on you can alter it according to your tastes, for example if you shot a roll indoors where there were no real bright highlights, so you develop for a little longer to bring the contrast back to normal
>>2884741
>617 Dayi back
Wow, I just googled that thing and it looks like a piece of trash.
There might also be nothing you can do about it, short of modifying the back to keep better tension on the film or even pressure across the gate.
Good luck bro.
>>2884776
Mate, thank you so much. Really appreciate you taking the time, you've been very helpful. I've been shooting film completely mindlessly for years now, developing my own black and white for just over a year. It's embarassing how little I actually know. Is there any particular book or guide you'd recommend? You've explained it better than I've read anywhere else.
>>2884799
I worked in a darkroom for a few years and was taught almost everything I know, but "The Negative" by Ansel Adams is a pretty good source, you just have to ignore some of his advice if you're shooting roll film
>>2884831
Thanks, I'll track down a copy. Do you mean be careful as some of his advice is geared towards sheet film, and that it isn't all applicable to roll film?
>>2883746
Konica centuria 400 is 27 exposure. I'd post some shots but all the centuria I've used is expired
I'm new to black and white photography. Should I be using a Yellow Y (K2) filter or a light orange O (G) filter?
I'm taking mainly street/urban landscape photographs. Leaning more towards the orange as it says it gives more contrast than the yellow which can be barely noticeable at times.
I purchased this Yashica rangefinder for a decent price a week ago. The original batteries were left inside for several decades and corroded; the wires leading to the light meter popped off of the contact due to the corrosion, and battery spunk is all over the internals. I think fumes from the batteries fogged up the viewfinder as well, they're filthy; what's my best bet to clean it with? Lens paper and cleaning solution?
>>2885266
Just to clarify, I meant my best option to clean the viewfinder.
>>2885266
Sell to a second hand shop, with a good sales pitch you might get $15 for it. Then buy one that isn't fucking destroyed.
>>2885284
It's filthy; not destroyed, you dingus. It's sound mechanically. At the least it just needs a re-soldered connection and a thorough cleaning.
Besides, pet projects are fun.
So, lens paper and cleaning solution?
What are your favourite film the seasons?
That is I'm looking for a film to really accentuate summer and spring greens and colours and something to really bring out the colour in autumn leaves. Maybe something for winter as well?
Velvia is mentioned a lot, is there anything else you guys can think of?
>>2885266
that camera is sexy
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>>2885266
Clean the corrosion using vinegar or some sandpaper, be gentle just in case the corrosion has compromised the metal.
The wires should be a simple solder job, check they're long enough and cut off any gross bits and throw on some fresh solder. It's a two minute job if you can get to the connections easily.
The viewfinder is easy just to wipe down, but there's one specific piece inside that you can't clean or it kills the rangefinder patch.
Good luck with it!
I found 6 rolls of HP5 Plus in my closet in a dark bag, they've been there for atleast 2 years.
Think they'll still be fine to shoot with?
>>2885784
Just shoot them and find out.
Tri-X 400 pushed to 800.
First Roll, pls no bully
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>>2887042
second shot
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anyone own pic related?
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