Cheap Phones With Good Cameras

>>2870046
Every phone camera is shit because they can only fit a tiny lens.

Either an iPhone SE or an xperia z5 compact

>>2870046
those aren't good cameras.
That F/2 is more like F/12 because the sensor is too small.
And 13 MP on a fucking midget sensor gives terrible looking images.
Then every phone lens is some wide angle <30mm piece of shit, when faces look horrible at less than 50mm, and no professional portrait photographer uses less than 85mm.

>>2870205
F2 is always f2 you fucking bokeh whore. It's bright wether the tiny sensor and wide lens allow a shallow dof or not.

>>2870270
He said more like. And he's right. Smaller sensor with f2 won't give you the same effect on light and DOF as f2 on a larger sensor.

The f2 here is a puny hole, compare it to f2 on 35mm or apsc

>>2870094
>Xperia Z5
>any Xperia
>Good camera

lolno

nokia 1020
it takes good images if you put some effort in it
shitty for snapshots

I have a zenfone 2. The camera isn't very good, massive shutter lag (often over a second), soft, misses focus, won't do raw.

The photo editing software is good tho.

>>2870270
You are so, so wrong. F stop is measured in proportion to sensor size, this so fucking obviously the case here because the iris of this lens is less than a millimeter across, compared to say a 35mm f2 for full frame where it is roughly a few centimeters across. It is retarded in the extreme to even consider that these lenses would collect the same total light.

>>2870046
>>2870064
panasonic cm1.

>>2870473
No you fucking dildo.
It's a function between FL and aperture size, phones have a tiny FL for their 28mm equiv lenses, and so have a tiny aperture.

>>2870335
lol
So f/2.8 has the same opening diameter at 35mm as it is at 50mm? How stupid are you?
The only thing that is affected by sensor size is the image circle which is not fully used at smaller sensors.
Aperture equivalent is a meme established by stupid FF mongos who desperately try to justify their buy.

Zen Fone doesn't have a very good camera. Even quality wise, for the price. Go with an older flagship phone. Should be cheaper and better, new or used. LG G3, G4. Moto X Pure. HTC One models. Should have RAW capability with separate software as well.

I have an HTC Desire Eye, really good camera and software. It has flagship specs, but on a higherend midrange device at the time of its release.

>>2870046
Nokia Lumia 720 owner here

The Carl Zeiss lense is really good, the pictures are very detailed (for a phone camera). I would upload if I could, but I have a shitty conection, and the uploading keeps getting stuck.

>>2870554
Okay reply when you want start making sense. Math is a meme on metaphysical levels, not photography.

>>2870707
Show me a 35mm and a 50mm at f/4 and we'll see who has a point here.