Linux Programms Darktable/RAWtherapee

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>>2822811
I want to give everyone an example.
Take this file.
I took the duplicate RAW of this and put it in both programms. I first edited it with Darktable and edited a few things. It started to look awesomely battered and the canvas/leather of the shield had a slightly ochre colour while the red painting was still red.
In RAWtherapee meanwhile, I had almost everything emulated to a tee, even the depened shadows and local contrasts, but I just couldn't get the canvas/leather from being a similar shade of red as the paint. Bear in mind, that Darktable doesn't even have seperate colour-curves (or at least I can't find them anywhere), but RAW therapee does.

Is there a good tutorial that can tell me what all these different things like luminosity, chromatiicity, etc. all mean and hwo to apply them?

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>>2822824
>Is there a good tutorial that can tell me what all these different things like luminosity, chromatiicity, etc. all mean and hwo to apply them?
have you tried darktable's user manual? eg:
http://www.darktable.org/usermanual/ch03s04s04.html.php

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>>2822837
Thank you. I finally found the chapter about exporting.
Also, I guess I'll have to learn to live with the sidecar files.

Created this with Darktable.
Somehow I can create images with way larger contrast-ranges with Darktable than with RawTherapee

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Honestly I love darktable and would switch back in a heartbeat if it ever makes it to windows. Alas I am stuck with lightroom

LightZone. It seems to load a little slow, but has some good tools. It used to be closed source, but they just opened it up. Supports most RAW formats too. Just register on their site and create an account real quick to download. It's the best linux software I've used for photo editing.

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RT:
-good for scripting, sidecar format is easy to read and can be assembled in modular chunks. Makes doing preset things based on camera or orientation etc automatic from a bash script or whatever which are then assimilated by RT on import of the raw. Saves me orienting crop frames between portrait and the very few landscape oriented shots i take.
-can set crap in thumbnail view, and apply almost anything copy/paste.
-somewhat confusing when copy/pasting in thumb view, no guarantee what it says on the sliders is what it will be when you open image.
-impossible to use auto-exposure without including highlight compensation. This is fine most of the time, but eventually yo unotice that all of your images look sort of pastelly and artificial, no real blacks. And from time to time an image that absolutely does not need highlight compression will get it and flip the fuck out, usually by going totally white. It's a stupid feature when you cant disable it, but it does work better than the DT equiv. or rather it works difdferently, and can be used to better effect in my experience... IF you ever need it to recover a totally blown highlight shot.

DT:
-More primitive but i prefer it's rendering speed, and how it handles black when auto-exposing. I do not like the way it cannot auto-expose multiple shots at once.
-Good because keyboard shortcuts to common function. I use them to adjust exposure up and down.
The interface has improved, but tit's still annoying. Best advice is to simply use the "basic group" - Image related.
If you need fancy stuff then find them in the list and ad them to the favorite group - the star next to the basic group icon.
-shithouse illegible sidecar format. But scripting isnt a DT thing anyway.

Theres a lot i could say, but basically i use DT becasue key shortcuts to exposure + and -
I'd use RT if i ever *really* need to fix a massively overexposed image.

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DT
yeah, the import/collections menu is fubar

I open dolphin and navigate to the desired folder
I have always pre-culled it down to only the desired images before i do this, in geeqie.
...DT and RT will crash when you try to feed them more than a few hundred images, and neither is as fast at cycling between images and tagging yes/delete/meh prior to separating said files.
So., cull done, dolphin open. i right click in the filder and select action > darktable
Yes, i added those context menus.
This is the easiest way to avoid the stupid that is DT's menu. I usually just ignore it or hide it.

>>2822916
>>2822918
Nobody cares what you think.

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The way Dt and RT write sidecar files in with the images may seem tedious at first, but it's a lot better to have your edits stored WITH the master files than in some seperate cache as determined by LR etc... fuck that... i want to just back up my photos folders, not fucking proprietry databases too.
RT writes a sidecar with the master file, as well as one alongside the output file. This is quite redundant, but it does mean that when you make multiple edits of the master file it keeps all those edits assuming you output them and produce images and *sidecars*.
DT is different in that it only stores sidecars next to the master files, not the output, and each edit overwrites the existing sidecar.
To make multiple edits select the file in either lighttable mode, or in the thumb strip at bottom of darkroom mode, and press ctrl-D, this basically just makes another sidecar with numbered suffix, and allows you to make numerous edits to the same image.
Sometime I find ctrl-D fails, but theres always the "duplicate" button in lighttable mode - image related.
I like DT's system better.

>>2822916
For goodness sake use the latest version 2.0.3 you madman.

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>>2822920
>refers to themselves as Nobody

>>2822852
I always liked how Darktable handles color except that annoying thing it does to natural foliage green by adding too much yellow. I can never put it just right.
Actually I like DT better than LR but for certain worflow (UI) and passing the photo over to PS and Google NIK makes me use LR a lot more.
At least DT got an very good unofficial windows port. here: http://www.partha.com/

>>2822920
i care

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>>2822852
>Somehow I can create images with way larger contrast-ranges with Darktable than with RawTherapee
This is probably the same issue i was talking about.

UFORAW is awesome and crappy at the same time. Lovely for quickly editing and exporting files to gimp, but then it fucks up levels so much that it's useless unless you want to tun your pictures to monochrome or give them that vintage colour film look.

Thats why I installed a virtual machine with windows 7 for processing files with VIEWNX2. Glorious program. Wish they did it for linux.

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>>2822923

>>2822875
> if it ever makes it to windows
Someone ported version 2.0:
http://www.partha.com/

>>2822990
khm...
>>2822934
It is actually quite stable, as much as on Linux.
But no NIK and complicated PS editing makes it a bitch to use, as much as on Linux.

Darktable for Windows, when?
>they said they won't port it to Windows because it's not open source
>they still distribute binaries for OS X

>>2822997
Learn to read, dumbass
>>2822990
>>2822934

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>>2822997
They probably just don't want t have to deal with windows.
DT isn't really a project that moves very quickly, it's more of a pet project for a few devs - afaik. So they probably wisely try to avoid windows, and the millions of self entitled windows users who would constantly be slamming the devs with feature requests and bitching about why it's not like adobepaintroom.
Nah, fuck windows, and it's users. Let them run it in a virtual machine - LOL
People use linux for a reason, and once you do it's very difficult to want to support windows without getting paid because it's users pretty much always try to take over. At least linux users have a propensity to contribute to development.

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>>2822921
>KDE

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>>2822824
Here is a photo that I took of a shield that I was making.
Since my HDD crashed I had to stick to a live linux on a flashdrive, so I had to say goodbye to my handy cameraRAW.
I used Darktable for the first time and it was horrible. Ergonomics and Darktable don't even write letters to each other. The layout is cunterintuitive and it took me hours to figure out how to synchronize and export my pictures. The watermark modul could have been a great thing. Unfortunately I had to make a .svg file of the logo which was a pain in the ass under linux and without blending options it looks cheap beyond measure.
I appreciate the open source movement, but the moment I get a new hdd, I'll go back to photoshop without hesitation.

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>>2823049
https://curiousandcrazy.wordpress.com/2015/07/30/adding-watermarks-to-photos-with-inkscape-and-darktable/

>>2823049
Though I imagine using imagemagick would offer more control and be easier to batch.

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OP here. Finally settled on Darktable after I read the manual. Also, while the interface is annoying AF and the Therapee interface is the equivalent of a pornstar holding a well-sorted set of gold-plated screwdriver bits, it is in the end useless because with all the sliders in the world, I can't get around it.
DT wins. And I have managed to get so much done within a short time. There isn't a time that I don't experiment with some new setting or module.

Here's the image of the shield as I made it in DT and tried for so many hours to recreate in RawTherapee. Just the slight yellowness of the leather and canvas prooved too much for poor Therapee

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>>2822921
I actually realized that when I used DT to apply my alterations of one picture to another. They were both of the same statue and I tried to get them to look the same in terms of editing.

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I stopped using Linux because WINE no longer supported the version of Sigma Pro Photo I needed to use. The reviews on the https://appdb.winehq.org are also misleading because people who use shitty distros like Arch don't test software properly on WINE. To these noobs, just getting something running is enough to rate it as Gold when it is in fact garbage because it crashes and gets stuck while editing. In my experience, Ubuntu reviews on https://appdb.winehq.org are the most reliable.

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>>2823575
Why did you edit out her face?