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What do you autists carry for defence innawoods? Let's face

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What do you autists carry for defence innawoods? Let's face it, you're all alone out there, you need to have something that's capable of killing pretty much anything that may fuck with you.

I chose a big enough utility knife. I'm way too lazy/poorfag to buy a gun (Canada) and a Ka-Bar short is more than enough to put me on level footing with a black bear. Of course I have a small thing of mace, too.
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>>18786
>What do you autists carry for defence innawoods?
Common sense and prep work
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>>18786
firearm(s)
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>>18787
And what about when a bear charges at you?
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>What do you autists carry for defence innawoods?
well if im with a larger group in, lets say norways "fjeld" (mountains, i guess) a satelite phone? but even that is way over the top considering the cost and what it would actually help.

"defence" i would sat would be more feeling for if you are developing blisters, or when you need to take a break
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one of these will deal with most dangerous animals and buttrapers
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>>18786
I have full sized pic related in d2. I like the leather handles much better. I have never used it. Too big. The pilot's survival knife is much handier. Sold my 1095 version to a vertical engineer who was about to be deployed. He said his buddies made fun of it for the whole deployment.
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>>18792
He was in the Army. They called him "Marine", and then "Mary Ann".
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>>18786

200gr full power hardcasts are good for black bears or the random violent methhead I might run across in the woods
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since i'm a 6' tall male and the only predators in my area are easily-buffaloed black bears and mountain lions i don't need to carry anything heavier than my voice.
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>>18789
They don't
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>>18786
Throughout history, Black bears have killed way more people by trichinosis than by attacks. In Soviet Russia, you first eat bear, then he kill you.
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Every time I come across a bear on the trail I pull my camera out to try and get a good picture. Inevitably, when I start to approach, the bear will notice me and run off like a bitch.

Self defense while /out/ should only be a concern if there are other humans in the area. I bring a shotgun car camping. A handgun would prob be better for when I go backpacking, but sadly I'm a canacuck.

Bear spray if you're really worried about animals. A knife is silly.
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>>18786
If it gets you out the door and innawoods, carry a fricking TOW if it makes you more likely to go.
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>>18786
Either my S&W Shield as its my EDC or something larger if I'm in a shady area.
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>>18800
interesting. i prefer larger protection when i'm in a sunny area.
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>>18786

Two blades on my belt (large BK knife and a mora for finer tasks), a boy's axe on my back, and a [spoiler]neck knife karambit[/spoiler]
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>>18795
whatever fgt
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>>18802
While you're covering all you're bases, buy yourself a couple packs of sutures for when some kid cuts you while you're deciding which blade to use.
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>>18803
>not scared of bear and lions
>i'm the faggot
>mfw
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>>18795
I hear castrato actually attracts bears.
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>>18802
i never understood if this spoiler shit was just ironic around here or if you're just crossboarding from r9k
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>>18805
>im a big ole 6 foot manly man lookit me scarin bears away and postin shit tier dogs to try n make everyone see how clever and strong i am woop woop woop woop woop
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>>18806
lol

>>18807
i think it starts as the latter and turns into the former
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>>18808
>being this assblasted over my height
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>>18810
>o man better call em manlets now woop woop woop im so fuckin rock hard and tough woop woop woop woop
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>>18792
Wanna trade it? I have an ltwk buscraft hc id offer, all i've done with it was make a handful of shavings and a feather stick. Been looking for a good deal on a d2 kabar for a while.
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>>18789
>>>18787
>And what about when a bear charges at you?
I talk to him about women, he does the same, we smoke a cig together and leave as friends.
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>>18810
Are you from Indonesia, man? 6 foot is Nordic average. Also, 10cm is not a big dick. Even to a mountain lion.
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>>18811
little of stature, little of fortitude. sad.

>>18814
if i understand your post correctly, that was my point, i'm not particularly tall (only 2-3" above average here in murika) and i still don't need a weapon. plus i'm only 160 lbs, so it's not like i have overall mass in my favor.
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Tomahawk
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>>18812
Intrested. Show me yours.
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>>18817
Also have an unused KOA Elkhunter in D2.
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>>18818
I got the one without sheath, so i made a belt sheath for it. Its nothing fancy, but if you did want it i could potentially make a nicer one.
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>>18819
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>>18815
Average American Caucasian is 5'11". Is your ego so large that it skews your perception so that feel that you are a bigger man for it?

I'm just fuckin wit cha. My state has two bears in the wild. I'd love to see one /out/.
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>>18820
I don't wanna be a bitch, but the leather sheath would make it worth it. The Elk hunter, I might do, but the sheath with rod is what drives your knife home as a bushcrafter.
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>>18822
What if I threw in the $30 so you could order one?
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>>18821
my state has a high proportion of mexicans, which draws the average down. it also has lots of black bears, and some retards are actually pushing to reintroduce grizzlies.

>>18819
that's a good looking knife.
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>>18823
I'd do it right now IRL, but I'm an impulse buyer. That's why I have so many unused knives. My hard on would go away during shipping.

I had to look at your knife's website, and I was pretty impressed. I've got a knife made from a crosscut saw blade in about the same pattern and thickness, which I actually use.

That K-bar was only $50 when I bought it in 2008. Didn't look to see what they go for now.
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>>18824
I like it a lot, but I recently brought a hobo to the house so he could camp in the backyard for a night before I took him up to MO and he left a Western Black Beauty from the late 50s in the yard so I decided to keep that instead because its in good shape and comes with a good story.
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>>18824
I don't think I'd wanna walk up on a Grizzly. Not because of their size, but more from the attiude.
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>>18804
>Sutures
You ever try to use sutures? Get yourself a skin stapler.
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>>18825
Not a problem. Last time I looked at the D2 kabars they were $110. I do recommend the Bushcrafter, it's a great value for a handmade knife.
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>>18826
You outta find the matching hatchet for the BB.
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>>18829
If I lost that crosscut saw knife, I'd get one.
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>>18828
I pierced a chicks nipples once. It was pretty easy. More gristle than I expected.
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>>18789
desu man, bears run upwards of 30 fucking miles an hour. Even Usain Bolt can't outrun a bear. If it doesn't back off from mace or gunshots I'd have a better chance of stabbing it and writing Kabar a letter about how I "k a bar" with their knife.
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While backpacking, I'll OC a 1911. While car camping with family/gf I'll usually leave my AR somewhere accessible (mostly because I'll stop somewhere to plink on BLM land if I'm driving out anyway)
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>>18830
Id be one lucky dude if that ever fell into my lap.
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>>18830
>>18835
Should i clean it up or leave it like this?
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>>18836
Leave it definitely. I would just keep it sharp.
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>>18804
as someone here knows how to suture...and
>suture outside of a aseptic room

>>18828
Do not know why they even invented the stapler...they make the scar look worse and they are expensive...i guess it's for ppl like you.
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There's nothing realistically dangerous when /out/ other than hurting yourself somehow or getting lost
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>>18796
Yes a bear absolutely fucking will....
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>>18795
lol.... one swipe from either of those animals will kill you.

You know what tough guy? Let's start easy, go piss off a deer and see what happens.
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>>18786
Drop in the 10mm barrel, load with hard cast for out inna bush

>>18794
Nice
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>>18841
24 mountain lion deaths in the last 127 years
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_cougar_attacks_in_North_America
61 black bear deaths in last 117 years
>https://www.bear.org/website/bear-pages/black-bear/bears-a-humans/119-how-dangerous-are-black-bears.html
yeah, i think i'll be okay
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>>18840
15 black bear fatalities in all of North America between 2000 and 2010.
So statistically they don't
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>>18844
Yeah dude but the part that you're not getting is your knife and bear spray/pishtol wont do a damn thing once that one in 100 bear decides to eat your face off. Black, brown, big hairy gay man or otherwise. Shit happens. How many people have to die before you take it seriously?
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ITT: autistic manchildren decide they can one on one a black bear with nothing but a big knife
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I could use these to defend against small game/people, beyond that i'm kinda screwed. Weapons weigh too much
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This and my handgun.
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>>18845
>implying .44mag won't put down a bear
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>>18845
I'll take the treat seriously when the majority of people realize that, every single time they drive on a public road, they are putting themselves in harms way to a greater extent that most anything else they do in their entire lives. Lightening is a much bigger concern. The more metal objects you carry, the more it heightens the risk of being struck, which is far more common than bear attacks. Humans just have a genetically ingrained fear of being the prey, rather than the predator.
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Here in fl we mostly have black bears so bears aren't much of a problem as they bitch out at th slightest sign of humans. Hogs, gators, and coyotes are mostly what people MIGHT want a firearm.
When it comes to me, I carry a firearm because they'res fucked up PEOPLE out there
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>>18845
>How many people have to die before you take it seriously?
more than 0.5/year: >>18843
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>>18851
I keep a little Ruger LCP in pocket while out. It would just piss off a bear. Way more meth heads in my state than dangerous game.
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Currently? Pic related, or a 870 with 00 buckshot, depending on where i am and time of year. Trying to save up for a 10mm though. I can never decide on whether solid copper slugs or Lead hardcasts would be better, so i end up loading mags alternating both. Penetration v expansion? I dunno.
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>>18786
I prefer cyclone, but barbed wire works in a pinch.
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>>18849
Have you seen the vid of the sloth bear eating the farmers face off? They shoot it to death with rifles over 10 mins of it eating a dude. Good luck. I wonder if you've ever been in a fight? Have you been punched in the face? If you have, maybe just maybe you can imagine that fist being 2-3 times as big with claws, attached to 600 lbs of fuck your shit up. Now imagine the bear charges you, you get a couple shots off, then it runs into you full speed swiping clawing and biting. Even if it only takes 30 seconds for the bear to die from your shots, that's plenty of time for it to fuck your shit up bad enough that you wont recover.

>>18850
No one is debating any of that you sperg.

>>18852
That .5 a person could be you anon.
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>>18851
How safe would you rate ocala national forest? I want to get into backpacking longer than overnights and it's really the only place to go for me besides from a few tiny state forests nearby which I've hiked up and down already.

I'm just a little worried because I don't want to drive all the way out there, realize it's full of methheads/hobos, and then have to drive back the same day.
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>>18854
ew maybe its just the pic quality but it looks like you spray painted that thing with high gloss krylon from walmart
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>>18857
you'll die. literally nowhere in the country is safe. you go into any forest anywhere and it's nothing but serial killers everywhere. guns wont help either because they all wear body armor 24/7 and have 5+ rabid pit bull dogs running around their territories. anyone who says otherwise has obviously never been /out/
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>>18858
Yeah. You got a little on the trigger.
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>>18786

A gun.

I'm not worried about defending myself against animals, I've ran into ppl while I'm in bum fuck no where.
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>>18789

I body slam it.
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>>18860
Thats oil,
>>18858
Thats what the black epoxy coating looks like on new Hi powers.
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>>18850
This

Don't forget to wear your helmets scaredy-cats

You are thousands of times more likely to need it than a weapon
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>>18863
I would be pissed if i spend hundreds of dollars on a thing and it showed up like that
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>>18845

You should check with fish and game in Alaska, they'd greatly say other wise (Alaska likes to keep track of that sort of shit) Full grown grizzly and moose have been taken out with 9mm, 45. ACP and .44 and 10mm (Most pistol kills is done with the .45 acp and 10mm). A lot of those animals were charging too, not even from 50 feet away. I'm not talking about mag dumping either, only a shot or two was enough to kill it.

Funny how there is groups that study this shit (Fish and game, hunters, loads of others) they will post all data and proof of what they say. Yet instead of ppl reading this shit, they act like retards (Talking about you) they just end up talking out of their ass (Which you're doing)

Some rounds won't penetrate deep enough to hit vital organs like the heart and lungs (shooting from the front, nit side). 9mm ballpoint to the head, even if it did not penetrate, is still delivering a shit ton of kinetic energy, enough so that it can still kill it.

The biggest problem is people don't train with their shit. That and with the adrenaline that is rushing through you, it is very easy to miss at 5 yards (Look at police reports, there is plenty were some one shot 15 times at a target only 20 feet away, missed every shot)

In the end, you're a dumbass who doesn't know his shit, never bothering to learn his shit, will continue to be just that...which is shit. So plz, kill yourself faggot.
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>>18866
>big game hunters and rangers can 1 or 2 shot a charging bear so i definitely can too regardless of me never having been in a situation where my life was on the line
>i'd totally act appropriately and not shit my pants like the little girl i am you're just talking out your ass
>i go to the shootin range imma pr0 i been carryin around a 10 gallon bucket of wish a bear would
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>>18845
If I stab the bear in the paw and face when it tries to hit/eat me, I think it'll get the message to fuck off
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>>18868
Uh, Uhuh? If you really think thatll work, your an idiot. Even if you were able to stab it in the paw, itd bite you, if you went for the and it wasent biting you, itd knock you to the ground and slash you with 6in+claws. Have you ever even seen a bear? Is this bait?
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>>18786
Halberd
>bitches see me struttin with my halberd and know I'm alpha
>Animals scared as fuck of a big dicked hiker with a halberd, like they should be
>methheads realize if I got a halberd I'm crazier than them and leave me alone
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for me, it's the katana the best outdoor weapon
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>>18843
Ppl who never go /out/ think animals just randomly attack all the time
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I think I have mental/paranoia problems so I carry a glock20 with certain occult engraving.
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>>18872
Mother fucking javalinas came up to the glass door last night, insolent bastards!

Like they want me to give them a chip! Fuckers!

Some fucking slack jawed, liberal faggots have been feeding them! I charged the fuck out of those over grown rodents, cowardly bitch fags! I was close enough to kick the shits!

But pic related.
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>>18870
>polearm
>being that guy
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>>18837
Ditto, that dirt patina adds character and nostalgia.
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is there a cheap china made ka-bar profile copy? i've always wanted one but im not paying that much for a piece of ameristeel shit.
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>>18877
>$5 stainless rambo knife at Harbor Freight

You literally can not go wrong.
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>>18877
Ontario was one of the original contractors who made them for the military, and their SP1 knife is only like 35 bucks on amazon.
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>>18786

shotgun pictured.

feels good to have in the middle of nowhere...but also kind of silly desu
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>>18877
>i want a ka-bar that sucks even more than the US made ones
>i don't know what the SP1 is
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>>18786
Im Russian, people avoid me
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>>18875
>not posting the numbered version
also, rollin
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Difficult to carry innawoods but this usually does the trick against bears for me.
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A tomahawk and a big innawoods knife, if I get attacked I'll powerstance and land some sick melee combos

For real though if I was attacked I'd be defending myself with tools
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>>18794
came in thread to post this, but you beat me to it. 10mm is really great
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>>18801
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>>18880
mossberg motherfucking 500, my man.

I like that case; very unassuming.
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>>18789
You charge the bear.
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>>18786
There are no dangerous animals around here so I don't need anything.
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>>18880
I'd want some kind of folding stock for it, but nice otherwise.
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>>18890
>no dangerous animals
Enjoy your backyard
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Statistically you're more at risk injuring yourself with a big ass knife than successfully defending yourself from a real threat with it. Let knives be tools and bring bear mace instead
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>>18892
>Australia
>dangerous animals other than poisonous and aquatic ones
Sure gotta bring muh assault rifle to kill those nasty scorpions amirite.
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>>18883
oh shit son whats your pimp name
rollin
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>>18892
We don't all live in regions with bears and wolves.
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>>18894
>Australia, one of the most forbidding environments on earth
>No dangerous animal, except every animal in australia, not to mention Abbos
>Cant own guns because you have no rights to speak of.
>Decides to shitpost about on 4chan like its your choice.

Nice meme.
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>>18897
Dogs are everywhere in the entire world anon, and what about the worst animal of all? I carry guns for shooting people firstly, everything else covered.
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>>18898

their animals aren't really that dangerous if you stay on land. The biggest thing you'll find are fucking camels and kangaroos, the only real predators are dogs. Not so big a deal. The scary shit there is crawling around your house waiting to bite you.
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>>18900
>Wild dogs
>Not a legitimate threat
>People
>not a legitimate threat.

Australia is a hellhole, and its not because of the heat or the animals.
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>>18786
Is mora not enough? If not I just make a spear. Against other people, I hope they don't have guns.
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>>18901
Wild dogs in australia arent a legimate threat unless you're an unsupervised toddler or marsupial
People arent a legitimate threat as statistically youre a fucking little bitch if you're worried about anything bad ever happening here.

>>18898
You can own guns, and our regulations are why you don't have to be scared of people. Unless other countries that are rife with paranoia and mental health issues (one of which is a rabid obsession with weaponry).
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>>18883
rolling
Glock 26 if anything
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>>18903
>You can own guns
HA, in fact didntt you recently straight up ban Adler shotguns? literally the slowest and least practical weapon on the market in the US right now, because it was too "High capacity" and "Rapid fire" when lever action is one of the slowest actions, only slower than bolt action or single shot. Source http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-21/adler-shotgun-import-ban-remains-in-place/7954920

Dont people go to literal jail for YEARS because of scary illegal bb guns? Or paintball guns? Shit so not dangerous the only way you can get hurt is if you shoot yourself in the eye from inches away? Source http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2017/03/australia-man-arrested-faces-20-years-sentence-for-printing-a-replica-gun-3483864.html
Any kind of autoloading rifle BANNED, any kind of handgun above 9mm BANNED, and 9mm or below you can only have for pre scheduled handgun shooting matches, and you have to leave them in the range safe

Yeah, you can totally own guns, Get the fuck out of here aussie.
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>>18903
Except australia leads by a LARGE margin in rapes, burglaries, auto theft (Adjusted for population AND total number), drug use, total crime victims per 100k, assault, property crime, suicide rates, and all of this correlates DIRECTLY to when the australian government institutes harsher gun laws and gun buy backs. Harsher gun laws=higher crime rates.

One of the only stats where Australia wins is in gun crime, which makes sense since you cant own guns.
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>>18883
Rollan fucktards.
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Fellow Canadian here. This lever gat is 29" long. With some buffalo bore hard cast 45 colt running in it. Perfect hiking gun (for Canadians) barely 5 pounds when it's loaded
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>>18786
honestly never worried about critters of the 4 legged variety, they tend to be live and let live

2 legged critters on the other hand, they tend to be the ones you gotta worry about. Honestly the only thing I'm ever legitimately worried about running into in the woods.
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>>18905
You sound salty m8. You can still own guns despite the regulation. I hope you felt it was worth it to get side tracked about very reasonable regulations

>>18906
Show them those figures senpai, from a respectable source too.
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>>18910
>Very reasonable regulations
>man gets 20 years for printing out a 3d model of a gun.
Super reasonable.
>Show them those figures
Its called the internet idiot, if you cant be bothered to look up your own countries crime rates your falling for propaganda and i cant help you.
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I don;t need no weapon because I'm a real man. Go tell everyone you had to shoot a bear and see how unimpressed they are.
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>>18857
I go diving all the time around Ocala and have some relatives that live up there. It's really nice and the people are really nice, mostly old folks and people with horses. John Travolta has a house up there and that's just about all the crazy that is up there
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>>18786
I use Jay Cutler. He has a knack for killing bears.
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>>18910
What a cuck you are. Canada has way better gun laws
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>>18811
Typical manlet response
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>>18815
6'0" 160 lbs

Lanklets everybody. They are the cucks of the gene pool. They always have to reach for tall items but we still fuck em up in fights and take all their girls.
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>>18857
Its FL so it is full of methheads and hobos, but ive found bob cat tracks around my campsite bfore camping there. I carry when I go camping there or osceola, general I prefer osceola.
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>>18883
ROLLLLLLLLLL
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>>18917
i can always get bigger. but you can never get taller.
>take all their girls
lol, okay.
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I happen to hang a bit low when flaccid, so I just go naked and occasionally carry around a machete for no good reason when I'm camping deep innawoods.

So far, it's kept everyone from yuppie hikers to forestry officials from acknowleding that I even exist if I'm encountered unexpectedly.
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>>18841
>piss off a deer
lmao good luck, if you somehow get a deer to do anything but run away from you you're an animal whisperer
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I have my Ka-Bar and sometimes a Ruger Super Redhawk chambered in .44 Remington Magnum. Or you know, a spear, if the need arises. The woods are full of them.
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>>18924
Redhawks are ugly as shit, but they're tough as hell, and accurate. You can handload for them with .44 mag 300 grain rifle data. The only other revolvers that can do that are the Colt Anaconda and the Super Blackhawk Hunter.
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>>18925
Yeah, that is my reasoning exactly. I really do not care about the looks, so long as it can take a fair amount of abuse.
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>>18925
For the record, I actually had the hammer of a friend's Smith & Wesson Model 29 break the fuck apart when I was test shooting it. But that may have been a manufacturing issue, I don't know.
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>>18927
I mean, thats not a hard fix, but thats pretty shitty.
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>>18928
True, but it's not something you're going to do innawoods. You'd want something that needs as little maintenance as possible, like the Redhawk or a Glock of something similar to that.
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>>18929
Or* something similar to that, god damn.
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>>18848
Stock Ontario airforce knives are fucking shit. Re profile the edge, and put some oil on the handle and cut the back of the finger guard off
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>>18929
Oh yeah, its not a big deal at home, but if your hammer disintegrates when you looking down the nose of bear, thats not good.
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>>18932
Yeah, exactly. You're the first reasonable person I've come across on this fucking site.
Also, lol @ "that's not good."
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>>18927
Were you "test shooting" or were you "dry firing"?
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Bears won't fuck with you when you have one of these in your waistband.
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>>18934
Actual shooting. On a range. With real ammo.
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>>18936
>>18934
That's what makes me think it was a manufacturing error.
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>>18798
Black bears are usually pretty chill. The only times I've had problems with them is when I accidentally surprised one or when people have been feeding them.
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>>18924
>.44 rem mag
>not .454 Casull

Literally kill yourself, my good man.
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>>18883
I carry a belt knife and a tomahawk innawoods, could be better far as weapons go, but really, what are the chances?

also rollin
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>>18786
gun or you're wasting money/pack space and weight.
you've fucked up if a bear is charging you. once they're within 30 feet your chance of survival drastically decreases, given, they aren't grizzlies but still.

>>18868
if it even fell on you, you'd risk death.
they get slashed/bit by other bears when they fight and it only makes them angry.
heaven forbid it's babies are around, the things are known to keep going for the kill even with the pain of a gunshot(assuming it hit a non-vital) if you get near it's young accidentally.

>>18787
is correct, bears and most other threats are best avoided via common sense in the first place although a gun doesn't hurt to have if you can legally do so.
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>>18795
>heavier than my voice

Are you a fucking dragonborn?
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>>18939
.454 Casull is extremely rare to come across where I live. That's why. Besides, you don't need anything more powerful than the .44 Remington Magnum.
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>>18940
Finally some common fucking sense up in here. You really don't need a weapon unless you're deliberately walking into bear country.
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>>18786
Thousands of people go missing (ie are murdered) in national parks every year

Everyone needs a defense greater than "common sense" to avoid a similar fate

I have a handmade steel knife with a 6 inch blade and many firearms
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>>18944
The phrase is "Always prepared", not "Only prepared when you know in advance what will happen."
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>>18786
I live in the Kingdom of England. We are civilised here.
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>>18946
Well, I agree. And you do know that if there are no bears in the area, you're not going to meet a bear. Therefore, you do not have to have weapons on you at all times.
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>>18948
>>18946
Firearms are fucking heavy is my point, and you shouldn't carry one unless you abolutely have to. "always prepared" applies more to things like knives and ponchos and shit. You know, things that don't weigh that much. Things that aren't in the way when you're out and about.
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>>18908
Non-restricted? How much is it?
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>>18949
A 9mm handgun can weigh as little as 1.5 pounds loaded with 15 rounds. Thats less than a hatchet. A 10mm Glock 20 weighs less than 2 pounds loaded. A fully loaded 12 gauge shotgun is less than 7 pounds. Guns arent heavy, especially compared to the rest of your camping gear.

"Always prepared" Means always prepared for something that might happen, including being responsible for your own safety concerning people, or animals. What is dosent mean is make crap excuses why you dont want be responsible for your own safety in a life and death situation.
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>>18951
always be prepared=/=live in crippling fear of extremely improbable scenarios
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>>18952
Ah yes, the "Why u so scurred" argument. Taking responsibility for your own safety and carrying an extra 2 pounds on your hip. Thousands of people go missing in state parks every year, if there is a possibility it could happen, you should be prepared for it.

Next time make a real argument not shitty ad hominem attacks.
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>>18951
Guns are heavy, as in, they add more, usually unnecessary weight to the gear you're already carrying.

>>18952
This motherfucker got it right.
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>>18953
Knowing the area you're in is worth 10 000 times as much as any weapon.
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>>18955
>>18954
Any kind of wilderness has animals that can hurt. Any where on EARTH has people that can hurt you. Theres not a single spot on earth where an extra <2 pounds outweighs the potential problems in not having it.
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>>18953
>Thousands of people go missing in state parks every year,
source?

and even assuming that your claim is true, ca alone has 75,000,000 state park visitors per year, so your "thousands" nationwide is a small enough percentage it's not something i'm worried about. it's more dangerous to drive to the park than it is to hike in the park.

and becuase i'm not a hysterical exagerator about my bogeymen, my source for 75,000,000 annual visitors: http://www.parks.ca.gov/pages/795/files/14-15%20Statistical%20Report%20-%20INTERNET.pdf
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>>18956
I get it, you're a fucking pussy.
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>>18958
Nice ad hominem, still not an argument though.
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>>18953
>>18957
and i forget to include the obvious question of how many of the missing would not be missing if they had a gun? i'm guessing <100.
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>>18959
Nice use of the latin language. Still not an argument, though.
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>>18953
>>18957
>>18960
also also, missing=/=not found

i live near lots of state park land and every year we have dozens of people go missing, but i honestly don't remember the last death. it's always moron city people who wander 200' of trail, get lost and benighted, and are found, alive, withing the next 1-3 days.
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>>18957
>>18960
>>18962
A.) Source your own information, like a responsible citizen of the world
B.) saying a firearms wouldnt make a difference in the vast majority of cases isnt an argument, the same can be said of wearing a seatbelt when you drive, but they are required by law because when they are needed, they save lives.
>>18961
Ad Hominem: a logical fallacy in which an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.

You dont have any more shit arguments, so you call me names instead of recognizing your a faggot who cant handle the responsibility of their own safety.
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>>18963
a) you're making the absurd claim, so you need to provide the evidence. can you imagine a lawyer going into court and telling the judge to look up some preposterous lie?
b) nice false analogy. https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/seatbeltbrief/
and considering having a gun would make a difference in literally 0.0000% of the times people visit state parks, i'd say that's a valid argument.
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>>18964
Your not a lawyer, im not in court, we're both anonymously posting on a tibetan fingerpainting forum, claiming that guns are needed in literally 0% of instances is completely false. Why? because if there has even been even one instance where someone was hurt by another human being or animal EVER, you would be wrong in making that statement. Which has happened, so you are wrong.
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When I used to survey I worked in remote areas in N. Ontario, Manitoba, Alberta, and B.C. Lots of helicopter work with a dicey sat phone as my only means of communication.

I carried a Buck 119 and bear spray. I had some close encounters but nothing too dangerous. If I carried a firearm I would have probably ended up killing a couple bears for what turned out to be no reason.

I spend a lot of time in the bush still, usually with my dog but often alone. I carry a Buck 110 knockoff I've had for sometime. Not as much for protection as for collecting.
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>>18965
>he doesn't know about significant figures
but since you're being pedantic
(100 cases)/(700,000,000 visitors)=0.00001%
i'll take that risk
but really, fi you're that concerned about those odds you should be wearing a life vest everywhere, since there are roughly 3500 annual drowning deaths in the u.s, which translates to 0.1%
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>>18967
People who fret about being killed by Bad Hombres and fantasize about what they would do should put half that energy and thought into their lifestyle.

Chances are, you aren't going to die from a bear or Bad Hombre. But you will probably die from cancer, heart disease, complications due to hypertension, diabetes, etc.

If you want to life longer, avoid premature death, and, more importantly, have a better quality of life as you get older... you should go to the gym and eat properly.

But no, it's more exciting and fun to amass firearms and prepare for that home invasion, which will prove all the naysayers and people who called you a nut wrong.

lol priorities
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>>18883
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