oh god I want it so bad. the fallkniven nl4. is it worth it /out

>>963134
looks pretty and falkniven have excellent quality, but too bulky/heavy for me.

ideally, you want a 2.5-3.2mm thick blade, not 4.5mm, even though a convex grind does a pretty good job. Also, quite pricy. DESU though, if you are going to spend that kind of money on a classy looking fixed blade, look here:


http://www.caltoncutlery.com/available-outdoor-knives.html

Usually, I'd be pushing lt wright, but damn, Joe makes some fine blades (and is an all round nice guy).

>>963134
Looks a lot like the old western L66, which is still the all around best knife I have ever owned (and cheaper than that falkniven)

Haven't came to this board in almost 8 months and it's still a consumerist circle jerk with no real /out/ threads.

Looks like a Marbles, which was a reissue of an old Scagel design.

>>963196
Why don't you start threads about /out/ things you want to talk about? Also, browsing through the catalog, the vast majority of threads have nothing to do with product consumerism.

>>963134
i fingerfucked one last week.
have to admit: it really feels excellent and is gorgeous

Wanted this knife for many years but just cannot justify the pricetag.
Maybe look at Bark River if the price is hard for you to swallow?

>>963155
>caltoncutlery

Holy fucking shit there are some absolutely horrible deals on there.

>steak knife sized stock removal 1095cv knives
>$150

Almost all of those are ugly af compared to the fallkniven. Dont get me wrong though id never buy the nl4 either.

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>>963300
>Ugly

Yes, I too disqualify hammers and chisels based on aesthetics.

Also, Joe does his own heat treatments including multiple quenches, multiple normalizations and multiple tempers to minimize retained austenite and minimize grain size, while maximizing toughness at the ~62-63 HRC he targets with 1095.

He also adjusts his heat treatment recipe for each individual sheet of 1095 he receives based on its specific properties by making a tester and destructive testing it. For each sheet.

He also does all his grinding with active liquid cooling so there is no risk of the heat treatment being damaged.

Hand made knives with modern heat treatment protocols cost more to make than production knives.

>>963304
Youre the one that said theyre classy looking. They arent. They look like shit.

Also no one on this board but you and the other (maybe 2 other) sperglord knife autists give any kind of shit about the special snowflake HT.

there is no butter knife size knife that is worth $150+ no matter how hard you justify it to yourself

>>963304
Jesus, I hate you anon. Go ride your favorite knife guy's dick somewhere else. This thread is about the nl4.

>>963314
That wasn't me.

If you aren't capable of comprehending what makes a better cutting tool, that's your problem. Feel free to spend $300 on a 5mm thick piece of VG-10 at 59HRC.

>>963318
>Jesus, I hate you anon. Go ride your favorite knife guy's dick somewhere else. This thread is about the nl4.

Ok, sure.

>.200" thick
>VG-10
>In an outdoors knife
>59HRC
>$300

A 2mm spine Mora in 12c27 would be better at EVERYTHING.

Hell, any outdoors knife below $300 made in AEB-L, 13c26, 12c27, LC200n, Nitrobe 77, or equivalent with a .100-.113" spine would be better at everything.

VG-10 is not a sensible choice for the application. A 5mm thick spine is absurd and just ruins it's utility as a cutting tool.

>>963320
>>963328
And they say the homeless general is the easiest (You)s on the board.

Joe Calton is a dumb faggot who is only popular due to fan boys like you who drive up prices on some of the cheapest steel around just so you can prance around with your $250 razor thin neck knife and claim muh heat treat in every thread where no one asked for your shitstained opinion.

If you arent capable of comprehending just how much of a stupid dick riding faggot you are, that's your problem.

>>963350
Unfortunately, your irate sperging doesn't change that a $30 stainless Mora will outperform that $300 Fallkniven at literally every cutting task.

>>963369
Where am i arguing that? The $10 mora shits on your $200 Calton as well.

Or are you going to tell me the amazing heat treat and width of the Calton make up for that $190 difference?

>>963374
In general, a thinner geometry and harder blade will outperform a thicker geometry and softer blade at every cutting task up to the point where the thinner and harder blade begins to have a serious risk of a macroscopic failure.

Modern heat treatment methods are able to maximize toughness at a given hardness, and allow steels to be run much harder than they usually are in production environments.

As I said, ANY competent custom maker using modern best practices in heat treatment and grinding should be able to produce a thinner, harder blade than a Mora (and certainly than the Fallkniven) able to withstand similar levels of abuse.

So yes, I think any competent custom maker should be able to produce a fixed blade able to objectively outperform the Mora.

op here. why are knife threads so heated? my opinion is better, no mine is , no mine is, no mine is, no mine is. for the record i own a life insurance agency in winston salem, north carolina 300 bucks isnt too much money and i love the looks of the nl4 just wondering if anyone had some testimonials out there

>>963387
They arent actually heated. Just a couple few guys on here that cant stomach anyone buying anything other than their shill brands. If you like the looks and have the cash just go for it.

>>963155
btw i loved some of the designs but im not a fan of high carbon steel. i frequent west palm beach, FL and 1095 will just be eaten up out there, thats one of the reasons I like vg10

>>963387
>>963389
For $300 you deserve better than a 5mm thick production knife in VG-10. You can easily get customs for that price.

If stain resistance is important for your needs I would consider getting in touch with Erik Loreno of Loreno Knives about a custom in AEB-L. I'd also consider Jeremy McCullen for AEB-L fixed blades.

>>963388
do you think ox hide is somewhat water proof? i know it will patina over time, but does the handle get slippery easily?

$300? Fickniven!

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>>963134
I have a hard on for the Norther Light line too... I want to get one some day, but not yet.

Obviously it's not the best knife you can get for the money, it's beautiful, but I don't want to worry about keeping that leather dry when I'm /out. That's why I like micarta, G-10, finished wood, and rubber.

Pic related is from Black Heart knives, they are a similar price. Blackheart is my fixed blade knifu maker. Their Gunner 12 is a dream knife.

>>963402
almost reminds me of a Viking seax. neat knife but that blade length kills it for me I like 4.5- 5 inches. that positive blade angle would be an absolute beast in the kitchen. cool find anon

>>963196
suck a dick hippie

>>963155
>That shill again
Kek

>>963387

>>963155 here (and i'm not steel drake btw)

as I said - falkniven is a high quality brand, the nl4 looks nice, and you could certainly do a lot worse in terms of design.

They cut really well, despite being 5mm thick, but if you are going to pay $300 for a knife, you are getting into custom knife territory, and you might want to check out some alternatives.

>>963314
>being this wrong

the fuck is it with fat Yankees and their XL, supersized, 'bigger is better" attitude?

>that knife is too small to be worth $150

is one of the dumber things I've ever heard. Yet people keep repeating it like they were ordering their double burger or whatever.
A knife is a tool, and the cost of materials is really insignificant (as far as the difference between a 3'' blade, and a 5'' blade goes).
What matters is how that tool performs, and here, having that "neither too big, nor too small" quality, as well as proper edge geometry and blade profile really matters.

So yes - a 3'' blade can easily be worth $150 or more.

>>963350
>Salty McSal

>>963389
that's reasonable. There are makers using AEB-L you might want to look at then.

>>963604
You are a stupid, stupid faggot. Kys.

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>Marble's, Bianchi & S&W

What could go wrong?

>>963642

what a logical, well worded argument.

care to elaborate?

>>963680
>stupid
For replying to shitposters
>stupid
For arguing on 4chan
>faggot
For all those autistic niche cutting tool buzzwords and shilling

>>963786
>single most important factor in knife quality
>autistic

kek.

Overpriced

Overrated

Meme tier company

You could get a whole ruck of outdoor gear for this money.

Knife
Hatchet
Multitool
Saw
Milsurp Gebirgsjager rucksack
Sleeping bag
Ground pad
Stainless steel canteen
Pot and pan
Woodgas stove
Fishing kit
Ferro Rod
Pack o Big lighters
Cordage
Boots
Headlamp
Poncho
Compass
Diamond sharpener
First aid kit
Tent~Tarp
Gloves

Not even hitting the 330$ yet.

>>963826
You cant call me autistic while being so autistic

>>963874

how is the most important factor in knife quality autistic?

>>963878
because it does not matter like at all in real life applications

the difference between using something like a bk16 and and a $200 calton knife is completely miniscule
something like a big ass bk2 or something sure, my ltwk works better. not that much better though, surely not as much better as you'd have everyone believe

when you are innawoods doing camp chores it just doesnt fucking matter if you go with a fallkniven, ka bar, calton, ltwk etc. unless you are looking for them, you will not notice the differences

that's how come you cant call me autistic, because you are autistic and im a normie who doesn't give a fat flying fuck if he has to put an extra .2 lbs of force behind his sharpened prybar of a knife

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>>963886

firs, your ltwk (and mine, for that matter) does fall in the $135+ category, same as Joe's knives.

Second, context does matter. For one, OP proposed a 5mm thick falkniven, which is needlessly overbuilt.

Third - when you use a knife for an extended period of time, you will come to appreciate having a 2.5 ounce, 3'' blade with a 3/32'' spine, over a 5'', 3/16'' thick knife - the small one is just that much more handy to use.

But fine - let's say we are comparing two knives of a similar size, something like a 3/16'' thick Spartan Blades Enyo (s35vn, saber grind) that costs 150 bucks, versus a 25 dollar, 1/16'' thick trade knife (pic related).

I guarantee you'll notice a difference very quickly.

the down and dirty of it is that spine thickness doesn't matter much when cutting flexible material like clamshell packaging, packing tape (opening packages is mostly just cutting the tape, not the actual cardboard box), "soft" vegetables and meat, or making feathers (and removing material from wood in general), since the primary factor here is edge keenness.

Where geometry makes a big difference, is cutting through rigid, and/or brittle materials, like apples/carrots, more intricate woodcarving, etc.

>surely not as much better as you'd have everyone believe

that's true autism speaking. The ÿoutube stamp of aproval"most knives get after batoning some sticks of varying thickness and making some feathersticks (and striking a ferro rod) is hardly a measure of a good knife.

>>963134
well first off looking at the knife it looks like it was thought out well. You've got a nice grind which looks like it will be straightforward to manage in sharpening. I like the little touch that the edge near the handle is actually a little out from the main body of the knife. It's got a nice spine section on top which I think will make it stronger. The guard is a point I'm indifferent tt. The leather handle is smart and will work well I think. It's simple and elegant. I life the metal pommel in case you need to hammer on something and the little cord hole is a nice practical touch. I understand the steel choices here were pretty smart from what I read. I like also like that the spine has an edge to it which should make it good for a firesteel. Sheath looks practical and logical. I see it on sale for like $325 from the first place I checked. That seems reasonable I think. I'd probably say it's worth it up to about 375.

Jesus I could barely get through this damn review though. This guy is semi-retarded or something. I'm not even scandanavian but I was raging at his account of the name Frey and all the viking shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n__pAn50uw

I have an extensive spyderco collection and the temperance 2 is vg 10 and I absolutely love that knife for kitchen tasks. it seems to hold an edge adequately

>>963872
Sorry not everyone likes using shit tier stuff for their years and years of /out. Maybe it's okay to splurge on something that makes you happy, non the less something that will last for many years.

Maybe all of that stuff for under $400 as entry level gear, but I can't see getting all of that, and it all being very efficient and long lasting, for less than $600 or so.

For Example; I would want to spend $120+ on boots alone. Sure a cheap AAA Headlamp gets the job done, but have you ever used a 18650 light (cr123 as pack able backup)? It's a world of difference. Any quality, long lasting saw is going to run you at lest $50, and I mean folding landscaping or bow saw. Sure a Mora is good enough, but if it's a knife I'm going to have by my side for many many many years, I'm going to get something like a $200 Bark River, and for most trips, that eliminates the need for a field sharpening kit.

>>964443
Lmao fucking bark river, shit fucking knives. Kys. Their heat treat is notoriously shitty, you're talking out of your ass, faggot.

>>964478
>Their heat treat is notoriously shitty
Yes this was thing like 4 years ago, the heat treatment was fine, it was them over heating the blades on sharpening. They since fixed the issue, but even when it was a problem, for small-mid size knives it was an easy fix; just do a base regrind to remove the effected steel, only the surface was effected. This is why people like Virtuovice (YouTube) never had a problem, even though they had effected knives, they by default thinned the edge anyways. Yeah they did not handle the criticism well, and you should not have to regrind a $100+ knife from box, but I honestly don't care, all I care about is what they are currently producing.

Since you clearly have not taken any time to actually research anything, and just are spouting what you once read some people say, it's not looking good for the rest of what you have to say.

>you're talking out of your ass, faggot.
Let's even say you were right about the Bark River thing (which you aren't), you have proven one thing, out of many, I said wrong... congrats, that defiantly disproves everything else I argued.

If you want to be a shitty troll, go to /b, if you want to have a productive conversation about what you do when you go /out, or why you dislike my personal reasoning, go ahead and actually address my points. Maybe you can teach me something.

>>963656
>so much autistic hate itt
>no appreciation for true fucntion and beauty
>this is why knife fag threads suck

>>963134
got one of these, realy great knifes.
10/10 wuld buy again

can I regrind the convx edge to a v grind?

>>966977
Yes. It is totally sensible to buy a $300 knife and use it to make your own stop k removal knife out of it.

>>964443
>Every knife below 200$ is shit tier
>Gear in general has to be expensive

Spew your youtube "Welcome to XY buschcraft/survival/outdoors"
tier arguments somewhere else.

I've met so many "enthusiasts" going full autism about their gear for hours.

The guys who actually go /out/ with a passion and the tramps I met had very humble equipment. That one guy had a chinese kitchen knife with a sheath made of gorrila tape and styrofoam he used for 3 years at that point. People let themselves get milked so willingly by the industry, it's a shame.

>>967881
>capitalist comsumer whores

Ok, Stalin. Go drink your wad-kaa.

>>968001
>I pay much more for a product because of the superficial worth added through marketing and brand popularity
>This makes me smart and you're a commie

While I hate socialism in terms of ideology, I love it's (or that of a monarchy with state=industry) approach towards use of ressources and products. Make it last as long as possible, ressource efficient, easy to repair and make it a jack of all trades.
I have a 1937 gasoline generator and a 1927 diesel waterpump, which work just perfectly.
My neighbour wanted to buy the pump for 700€ after it drained his swamp for days and days without a pause.


Now people are either to spoiled or stupid to realize what makes a good product.
Old commercials had to win the customers with a logos appeal stating technical facts, a guarantee for longevity and quality; people put more thought into their investments because they didn't have that much money at hand.

>>967881
When did I state that I have a problem with sub $200 knives? On the contrary, I often use Moras and Opinels, they are great knives, and in most ways they are just as capable. I used them for years.

They just aren't going to last a life time, they aren't going to be something that makes me proud to own.

I like objects that had a lot of effort and personality put into their design and making. And it just so happens that these kinds of things tend to be expensive.

Just because I use more expensive tools, because I enjoy having more luxurious tools while I'm /out, does not have anything to do with my skills or abilities. No one sensible claims a $500 custom bushcrafting knife makes you any better at bushcrafting.