Self Defense

>>896106
I'm Europeon. I carry a stick but not sharpened one.

>>896106
Self defense from what? Raiders? Bandits? Zombies? Skinwalkers? Life is not a video game kid.

>>896118
Bears? Wolves? Mountain lions? Life has non-video game threats you dumb cuck. Go outside.

>>896106
Try a 12-gauge.

>>896106
You're scared of some vegan hippie hikers?

>>896121
Bears don't fuck with you if you don't fuck with them. Carry bear spray if you're still scared. Same with wolves. Mountain lions will stalk you but not really aggressive. If you're such a pussy that you think you need to kill anything in the wild, you should probably stay inside.

>>896118

Do you actually tell me that all my tactical gorilla drills involving 174 shots and 18 attackers have been for nothing?

Damn......


To answer OP, anything lightweight, and if possible, short is good.

I myself live in europe, so I just bring my Ruger mini-14 when im on my "hunting" trips.

>>896125
Niggers won't do anything you guys. Just leave them be and they won't do anything to you.

You liberal hippies need to leave.
>>896106
Depends entirely where you are at. For bear country have a slug gun or a high powered rifle. Anywhere else you will be fine with a pistol.

>>896121
Must be why Canadians hardly ever survive going out, right? Or Australians for that matter.

>>896143
>niggers /out/

Have you left your backyard kiddo? Hardly ever see any niggers /out/ unless you are going catfishing.

>>896106
I use my cheap Hi Point 9mm. So, no, I don't carry a rifle. It's a pistol.

>>896154
Niggers are the animals of society. They will attack without warning just like a wild animal in nature.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK609rbSBLs&ab_channel=HuntingProductGuru bear spray doesn't work. If you don't carry a gun with you in bear country you are asking for death.

>>896106
>Mosin Nagants
>inexpensive

Not in the USA anymore. Thanks to Obama banni g Russian imports. Surplus Ammo has dried up as well.
$300 for a mosin a f $15 fucking dollars for 20 rounds.
Better off buying something lime a winchester 770 in .308

>>896169
Who cares, it's a meme rifle.

>>896121
I have never ever felt threatened enough by wildlife to justify the extra weight of carrying a firearm. Real life aint the Revenant, kid.

>>896182
It's obvious you live in a city and never go /out/

You get btfo in every thread you post in. Why do you still even come here?

>>896182

I have on numerous occasions had to kill an aggressive animal. Different people have different experiences. I know a lot of guys who have never even seen an animal, where as I seem to at least spot a Bear or a Moose on most trips in the bush. Been attack twice by a bear and once by a moose. Firearm is a good tool to have, but its a tool not something you carry with you to LARP with.

>>896182
>>896184
There's more than one way to go /out/ and more than one place to do it. But there are plenty of places and circumstances where the 1-2 pounds of a pistol and some cartridges can be justified.

Not the least of which is for food. Also, while I'd prefer to evade a bear, I don't think it's realistic to feel safe in bear country without a firearm. You can get away with it, just like you can drive home drunk at .15 but that doesn't make it a good idea.

>>896186
Don't try to reason with that idiot. We posted dozens of links of statistics for animal attacks and videos in a thread yesterday but he just kept calling everyone pussies and then never responded.

I guarantee he's a sperg from r9gay

>>896165
>>>/pol/

>bear spray doesn't work

He survived. What do you mean it doesn't work? You think bear spray is like bug spray for mosquitoes? Lol. More confirmation for you never having gone /out/.

>>896192
He survived by playing dead you fucking idiot. He even said the bear spray did nothing. If he had a shotgun or rifle the bear would be dead before it did any damage to him.

Seriously you're one of these two.
Aussie level shitposter
Actual sperg

>>896194
You do you know you got to be at least 18 to post on this website right?

>>896195
Shitposter confirmed. I'm glad. I didn't think someone could be that stupid but on here you never know.

>>896106
I pack an ak in the trunk of my car at all times might never need it but always could

>>896180
>who cares
They were great when you could pick one up for $100. And get two cans of surplus ammo for another $100.

>>896106
Mosins used to be inexpensive but now you will not find one for less than 250 American

For the same price you could get yourself an SKS (even less in Canada)

And while not absolutely necessary it can be helpful, especially with a bayonet, on an extended trip where you might need to secure food

>>896106

Unless you're planning to take game a handgun is your best bet. Mosins are heavy, anyway. Unless you get some skeletonized rifle it'll weigh a lot.

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I'll bite on this.

My load out I literally just packed less than an hour ago for tomorrow. Headed to the green mountain national forest VT.

First time carrying a rifle. Should be interesting. Gonna get cold as fuck....

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>>896442
Have fun anon. I just bought my first AR a couple weeks ago to inb4 the California "gunpocalypse"
That an Osprey Atmos?

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>>896451
Oh and to answer OP: I carry my Ruger P85, a semi-auto 9mm handgun. Probably wouldn't help me that much if I came across an angry bear, but it keeps me warm.

>>896125
i find it weird when people go overboard with the "animals won't hurt you" thing. they will if they think anything good will come of it

it's not something worth worrying constantly about, but it happens. From my travels I can recount a small african child being eaten by a crocodile, a grown man losing an ear to plus earning some sick scars from a bear and a friend of a friend being killed by a bull moose. A friend of mine was camped out in the bush and woke up to be surrounded by a pack of lions. They surely would have killed him but they ran off when he racked the bolt. He talked to a game warden after and was told that the lions associate the sound with being murdered. As for myself I've been charged by a bull elephant and a pack of hippos.

Not everyone goes /out/ to well marked tourist trails. Bear spray works on curious bearlet black bears but so does barking at them like a dog. Bear spray doesn't work on 700 pound sows protecting cubs, for that you'll need a heavy hitting firearm.

>>896467
And yet statistically your more likely to be struck by lightning then you are to be attacked by a bear for example. Hell, snakes kill more people in the US every year than grizzly bears. You're more likely to be in an fatal car accident on the way to the trail then you are to be attacked by grizzly bear.

Education along with safe cooking and food storage methods goes a long way into avoiding bear contact to begin with.

Pack a hand cannon if it gives you the warm and fuzzies but I'd be willing to bet IF a bear decided to charge (sow with cubs in tow for example) most are gonna have a hard time getting off more than a few rounds. Bear skulls are thick and a wounded animal is just gonna be pissed off.

>>896106
I have a pistol with me everywhere I go, /out/ or not.

If I'm car camping, I'll bring a compact shotgun like an unplugged Remington 870 Youth Model 20ga, Mossberg 580A1 12ga, or Winchester SXP Defender 12ga. It stays cradled in an open case next to me when I sleep, and gets put away in the car during the day. I typically load it up with lead #4's for rabid varmints or Federal Flitecontrol 00 Buck for dindus depending on the area.

If hiking/backpacking, I'll typically just carry my Glock 19 9mm and 2-3 spare mags, typically loaded with 124gr Federal HSTs. If it's during the rut or if I'm in black bear/cougar country, I'll load up with 115gr Underwood +P+ Xtreme Penetrators (which bump my little 9mm up into the .357 Sig range).

I'm not saying rifles are a bad choice -- they're a very good choice. When I'm hunting with a rifle, I obviously bring a rifle. If you're going into Big Bear country, a magnum rifle is usually the locals' go-to. This is just what I choose to do.

>>896106
I feel like an autist going /out/ with a rifle, but I do carry a handgun

>>896453
>Probably wouldn't help me that much if I came across an angry bear

You could throw it at the bear, the fucking thing weighs enough that the impact force would probably kill it.

I carry a Finn Mosin and my shitty Turkroach knock-off USP clone. The Mosin because it's a real gun that shoots real fuck-off bullets, and the shitty pistol because it's the only one I have that has a light rail on it, and having a shitty pistol with a light on it is better than trying to fumblefuck a rifle & flashlight in the dark.

Around here I'm more in danger from methheads in their shitty woods shacks than bears, anyway.

>>896184
Dunno what you're talking about, m8. Perhaps there is more than one poster on this board who disagrees with you?

>>896169

For milsurp rifles I'd say K31, K11, M39 Finn Mosin, and most Mausers are reliable and cheap. Swiss guns are usually in amazing shape despite the fact that they were drilled with for a few decades. Stocks are usually fucked up though.

>>896106
Shit happens, it's why you carry. I usually don't bring a rifle with, but I started carrying my 10mm when my girlfriend started coming out with me. I bring it when my nieces/nephews are with me as well.

>>896486
If it happened often, we'd all carry heavy big bore rifles. It happens often enough that carrying a sidearm is worth it. I can't think of a good enough reason to not carry mine everywhere.

>>896125
>>896143
They're more afraid of you than you are of them.

>>896442
What are you bringing the rifle for?

is it just for fun?

>>896106
Mosins are meme guns and are only popular because you used to be able to get one for $100. Now that they're like $300+ they're way overpriced. Get a decent handgun, unless you're hunting you don't need a rifle and that mosin is a bitch to work. It's a big heavy gay ass rifle with a shitty bolt. It's made for illiterate peasants. Get something decent.

>>896894
not that guy but firearms aren't just fun, they're a lifestyle.

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>>897093
>they're a lifestyle.

No. i don't.

>>896121
bear spray is more effective against bears than anything less than a .50 BMG. Want to know the last time someone was killed by a wolf in the history of the U.S.? Never

>>897484
>anything less than .50 BMG

7.62x54r is more than enough to kill any game in North America.
I've even heard of a bear being killed with .22LR

>>896488
what do you need to kill that takes more than one magazine of 9mm to finish the job?
What fucking monstrosity is after you that needs 60 bullets to bring down?

>>897566
>I've even heard of a bear being killed with .22LR
I herd it guise so it must be true!

>>897573
meme level straw man

>>897484
People aren't killed by wolves because we take precautions, not because wolves can't/won't kill us

>>897570
you don't need an excuse to load out like a fudd LARPer

I carry an ak + 1 mag for short trips and my sidearm which is just a 380 (live in the city)

Take a water pistol filled with acid to spray at bears

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>>896106
For bears you want a 12 gauge with rifled slugs, or a .454 Casull handgun, like a Ruger Alaskan. Here's a cool story...
> Brush stopped when he heard a twig snap behind him. Turning his head toward the sound, Brush saw a monstrous brown bear charging toward him. "There was no warning," he stresses. "None of the classic teeth-popping or woofing, raising up on hind legs, or bluff-charging that you read about. When I spotted him he was within 15 yards, his head down and his ears pinned back. He was coming like a freight train…in total chase-mode."
http://www.fieldandstream.com/photos/gallery/survival/animal-attacks/2009/08/charging-grizzly-killed-alaska#page-3
This guy lucked out. Good shot placement under stress is a huge survival factor.

>>897484
>Want to know the last time someone was killed by a wolf in the history of the U.S.?
Alaska, 2010, killed by healthy wolves and partially eaten.
> Butler said wolf DNA that was recovered from Berner's clothing matched DNA from wolves later shot in the area. The forensic evidence was consistent with the injuries to Berner and the wolf tracks found around her body. "DNA test results provided by the U.S. Geological Survey lab in Anchorage indicated that two to four wolves were most likely involved ... (The tests) connected one of the wolves killed by (Fish and Game) to the incident," according to a Fish and Game press release. ...
> There was speculation at the time the wolves might have been sick or starving. That does not appear to have been the case. State veterinarian Dr. Kimberlee Beckmen examined the wolves killed after the attack and found all but two in good to excellent condition. One of the eight wolves directly linked to Berner by DNA evidence "was in apparent good health with very large fat reserves,'' according to the state. The two wolves in poor condition could not be linked to the attack. None of the wolves were suffering from rabies or other disease.
https://www.adn.com/outdoors/article/wolves-killed-alaska-teacher-2010-state-says/2011/12/07/
The article does not mention, however, that when she usually went for a run, she had an escort from local people with guns in a truck. She did not go with the escort this time. In other photos I've seen of this incident, it appears she was wearing earbuds, listening to music, unaware of her surroundings. She was from Boston, I think, working in Alaska as a school teacher. So, she kind of wins the Darwin Award in this case.

There are very few wolf attacks on people in the North American Continent, because up north people are usually armed. This is not the case on other continents, though, where arms are restricted. "Wolves in Russia" by Valerius Geist has some interesting accounts.

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>>896182
Yeah guys, why be prepared for anything

I never carry a rescue beacon, flares, a map and compass, GPS, emergency rations, or a med kit, because I've never gotten lost or injured or come upon someone who needs assistance.

I totally won't be completely unfucking prepared if something bad happens.

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>>896182
A Mosseberg 500 with a 7 shell tube weighs 5.75 lbs. fully loaded with slugs.

That will take out anything you come upon, and it really isn't that much.

>>898810
>implying the need to know direction, perform first aid or eat doesn't outweigh the need to protect yourself from a very unlikely animal attack.

ITT:Manlets scared of the slightest leaf rustle.

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>>896442
eyyy VT bro

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>>898869
>not bringing a cheap tool to prevent a wide variety of bad scenarios

ITT: Meatheads too stupid to prepare

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>>897093
You came from /k too?

>>896894
>>897093
>>898990
>>898970
It's also a sexual preference.

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>>899001
>sexy lever action action

>>896106

I usually carry a G17 when I go out, as well as my AR15. I got bad knee, so I no longer really hike, instead quad or mountain bike my way to the spot I camp. So I can carry the extra weight for plinking and shit.

>>896752
Just in case they piss you off?

>>896106
My glock 19 because I carry it everyday anyways

>>899013
My ankle is a little fucked, little ones can outrun me on uneven terrain now, I need a little equalizer.

>>898704
A lot of wolves still fear humans as well. You can see this in black bears for example, those in the more populated parts of NA tend to fear humans, those in areas like northern Canada tend to have zero fear of humans.

>>897573
You can "kill" a cow with a .22, same with a bear. It's just extremely stupid to bet on it.

>>899006
Lever actions har just for show tbqh, no point in having one unless you really want to larp as a cowboy

Silence and a knife

>those ninjutsu classes payed off

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>>899304
As compared to what, bolt guns?

But yes, they do show nicely!

>>900593
A bolt-action is pretty much superior in every way
But I guess people really like how a lever-action looks and feels, nothing inherently wrong with that

>>900598
>every way
Bit of an over statement when you consider capacity and follow ups.

But no, I've never seen a lever action X Class rifle. That would be an interesting project though.

I carry a Remington 660 chambered in .308WIN. I have a Redfield scope mounted on it and have a swivel swing on it, too. It's a great little scout rifle.

There is literally nothing wrong with carrying a rifle in the bush.

>>900613
>that should read F Class rifle

>>900593
I like the grill on the left

>>900846
Arsenal Bulgaria SLR100H, me too.

Try finding one now.

>>896115
Quarterstaves are pretty good hiking and self-defense.

>>900613
Do a mad minute with your lever action and I'll do one with my Lee Enfield.

>the bolt will win, faggot.

>>896106
I only carry a gun if I'm in an area with predators; cougars and bears mainly.

>>901282
>don't feel so threatened

I don't need a minute for one shot.

>>901492
Same here
I bring my 870 because it is very light weight and can take down a bear if you load it with slugs, or ptarmigans with birdshot

>>901509
Holy fuck americans are stupid, perhaps you should google what the mad minute is you dumb fuck amerifat cuck.

Not the op but his Enfield will put more rounds down range at greater distance more accurately all day long than your gay western weaboo cosplay lever action.

>>901582
You're why I stay here buddy, I love that ting sound of the stripper clips

>>896442
Sovt reporting,
I spend a lot of time innawoods around here. Ive seen many deer/coyotes and a few bobcats but never anything that threatend me at all

>>901582
>here's your sign
I know what mad minute is. I don't need a minute.

I do appreciate your blind UK faith in the Enfield, considering you can't own or rent one.

Further considering the topic of this tjread, I'll take a carbine evertime.

>>901615
Not UK, Canadian. Dumb fuck. Also, as a Canadian I know that they can own Enfield's over there so long as they are deactivated. While useless, they can still in fact own them. Bitch.

>>901615
Clearly you need a minute or two to work on your grammar.

>>901630
>my but you are a sensitive wee chap
>UK == Crown Land.

You got her portrait on your funny money, eh?

>>901643
Except she is a figurehead and nothing more.

>>901651
And yet you know the order of succession.

>>901643
Still mad your lever action argument is invalid, you horse fucking sheriff star wannabe?

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I carry my K31 whenever I go camping or hiking. She's a heavy bitch (10lbs including bayonet) but I think it's worth having the ability to kill a large, hostile animal OR be able to keep it at bay with the bayonet.

>Plus it looks cool and I feel cool carrying it.

>>896106
I bring my ar-15 and/or winchester 1300 12 ga.

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M60
if some faggot animal or dumb hipster wants to try to jump me they'll learn the loud and painful way not to

>>901653
Not at all, your class will never approach my selection to choose from.

I have more semis than levers, by far.

As I said, they do show nicely.

Oh, then there's this green text, though a straight pull, closer to your WWI fantasy : >>901808

>>896106

Nah

Only when specifically hunting, and it's usually a 12 gauge as I'm in the mountains with little open spaces

Mora will suffice if I can't run from a rampaging bunny

>>896451
At this point you're infinitely better off buying something else.

>>897570
Niggers and beaners.
Possible Muslim terrorists
Black lives matter/LA Raza rioters

Where do you live that criminals don't run around rampant in groups of three MINIMUM?

>>900598
Superior in every way except how many rounds it holds, and how quickly and easily you can use it for self defense as well

You see Eurocuck... the thing about us Americans...is that we pretty much own one of every style of gun.

Unlike you cucks arguing about which gun is better when you can't even have one. Or only have one

In the USA 100,000 are reported missing every year.

And now let's count how many

>murders
>violent assaults
>kidnappings
>Animal attacks
>home break ins
>Anti white racially motivated attacks

Happen every year, add that to the 100,000

You're all fucking stupid if you expect the USA to be like your middle of nowhere shit town in Eurosville.

We got plenty of psychos roaming around. Body parts are always found in the wilderness.

Hell... even in Griffith Park which is literally stuck to Los Angeles, barely a "wilderness", bodies have been found there, rapes and assaults have happened.

And you guys call US stupid for carrying at the bear minimum a rifle which has always been a handy tool for any outdoorsman???

Stupid Eurocucks watch too much American movies and they think it's all one big suburban experience with Jim Carrey and Seth Rogan

>>901999
You do realize that a detachable box magazine can hold more rounds than a tube mag? And that there are several bolt-action models with a box mag?
Also, not everywhere in Europe is like the UK, we can own several guns where I live
>>902004
I don't think you take into account the differences between the USA and other countries. Sure, if I was in the USA, I'd want guns for self defense, but here, I don't need any. Because people don't get assaulted, they don't get murdered, they don't get kidnapped, and they aren't killed by dindus unless they live in a big city. The only time I carry a gun for defense is when I go to places with bears

>>901999
Except you are arguing that your 1800's lever action is superior to a bolt action. We aren't talking about the armament in our respective firearms safes. So you americucks not have a proper attention span? It must be true about all the pharmaceutical s I hear that are quite abundant in your water supply.

>>901999
Why do you think you're talking to Euro's anon? Do you have a boner for them?

>>902021
First of all, you're not replying to just one person and the original statement made was:
> bolt guns are superior IN EVERY WAY
<emphasis mine>

So calm down, they aren't.

>>902039
Citation needed, opinions aren't fact

>>902056
You, or someone like you, made the original assertion that:

>bolt guns are superior in every way

The obligation is on you to provide citation, not me.

>>902237
Amerifat still going on, typical ham planet baby faggot

>>902237
Except that you asserted that they are not in fact superior and offered little to no evidence. Keep it up chappy.

>>896151
Lol americuck detected. The country where it's mostly city now and have to travel a few hours for any decent /out/ trip. Stay cucked

>>902453
So you can't. So typical.

>>896192
>he would rather garnish and season the bear with bear mace than protect his life.
Liberal oz hippy detected. Get cancer

>>902458
Green text it.

>>902008

I do take into account the differences which is why I don't care how you guys live. The issue is YOU Eurocucks being so God dang insecure of our lifestyle

>>902021

Superior in SOME WAYS which it is. Go ahead take a bolt action to a cowboy shooting competition lol. You'll learn what a lever action can do that a bolt cant.

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>>902470

I mean... not any of you guys arguing, but the guy is pretty retarded. And most likely European since he's too stupid to spell out what he actually means.

I think he's trying to say the bolt action is superior in every possible way when it comes to HUNTING. That could make a pretty good argument. But he's stupid so he can't spell out what he means.

But if he truly thinks the bolt action is better in every way then you can't reason with him. This board is full of European Muslim dick sucking faggots who would rather let their little white children die at the hands of psychotic fanatics than ever think of a gun as a tool for self defense.

>>902478
It makes some sense to me.

>shoot bear
>bear is in pain
>bear's natural reaction to pain is to attack until the threat is gone

>mace bear
>bear is blind
>bear can't fight if it can't see
>bear leaves

That said, a specialized bear gun is better than either option.

>>902585
Bolt actions aren't even allowed in cowboy shoots so what would that even accomplish? Unless you're talking like a long range sharps rifle or something rediculous.

There are so many more bolt actions than lever actions for a reason. They are more useful. End of story.

>>902605
>more reasons
> cheaper to manufacture
>higher profit margin
>memed by O'Connor in Outdoor Life

I see you.

>>902605

More useful for their purposes which happens to be a more common purpose sure.

Not more useful for self defense or fun plinking though.

>>902605
>many more

By that logic the semi-auto is superior in every way to the bolt action and you know that also is not true.

In some ways, yes. But not all.

>>902581
not all of us think you having guns is a problem, just virtue-signalers. Should have seen facebook last night before it was confirmed the Ohio somalian didn't use a gun

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>>899013
It's for when he sees worthless tripfag scum

>>902479
You can't.

>>902618
>but not all

Is there ANY gun that is superior in every wa to all others?

Unless you answer the one I have when I needed it, no.

>mine
>also works for those with limited perspective

>>896442
Reminder to wipe your rifle down if you bring it in to a warm or hot dwelling immediately after being out in the cold to get rid of condensation and prevent rusting issues of non protected parts

Havent been /out/ on my own too much yet, and i'll probably have to wait until i get out of the military, but how autistic would it be to carry a 45-70 lever action while innawoods?

Holy fuck just one guy in here bantering with himself lmao epic autism bro.

>>896451
that NY feel

>>898696
Oh man I wish I could own this.

>>896182
First time you stumble upon a momma bear and two cubs in the middle of fucking nowhere you'll rethink that decision.

>>897566
>7.62x54r is more than enough to kill any game in North America.
Yeah, technically, under perfect conditions, if you happen to shoot it perfectly between the eyes. But you know what? When you're fumbling around trying to get the gun out and that motherfucker is charging you you want something with a little more stopping power. You want something that's going to slow it down or stop it no matter where you hit it.

>I've even heard of a bear being killed with .22LR
Unless you're shooting a black bear cub in the fucking brain at point blank range, this is bullshit.

>>905431
If you aren't able to hit a moving bear in the heart with a rifle then you aren't fit to hunt bears.

That's pretty much how the hunting laws work around here.
Random bear attacks are pretty damn rare because bears don't want to get shot.

>>896125
>Carry bear spray
Doesn't do shit against polar bears, there's a reason people in Churchill aren't supposed to leave their house without a gun

t. Manitoban

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>>905354
>wish

Why can't you, it's just a hanggun?

>>896106
12 gauge with slug, buckshot and some no5s and 7s

>>896106
And a 44 5 inch revolver.

>>896197
>>896194
different guy but you are CLEARLY underage

>>907710
Not that anon, but you're fucked if your Canadian. You need another tier of licensing to own handguns, and then they have to be stored at the range or behind a dozen locked doors in your home in a separate place from your ammunition. You can only take it out from those two places to shoot at a registered range or to transport it between them.
Even just getting any kind of gun for bear defense is a massive hassle in Canada. You need permission from the RCMP (our federal police service) and they'll only consider it if you have an occupational requirement.
Theoretically you can carry a long gun with you in areas where you're also allowed to hunt; however, everybody will assume you're a poacher if you're not also carrying a valid hunting license; and even then, there would have to be something in season for the caliber of gun you have to allay suspicion. It also restricts your /out/ings to places where hunting's permitted; which is a big limitation, and an annoyance to actually identify where those regions are.

So yeah, fuck us, right? Wish I could carry a hefty handgun /out/ with me for peace of mind. Bear spray or bust.

>>896182
>Real life aint the Revenant
It was quite literally based on a real story of a dude who got mauled by a fucking bear and left to die

https://youtu.be/2R0btJB6-S4 crayzy guy

henry 45-70

SAIGA IN 7.62x39

>>896486
>More likely to be struck my lightening
Well guess what. Not everyone that gets struck my lightening goes hiking. Apples to oranges mah miggah

>>901630
>They just have to deactivate them
Hey look at this sick paperweight guys! Stfu Canada fag

>>901653
The lever action is superior in its own way. Less than 200 yards my .45 long lever action has less kick and an faster action and way bigger mag tube. You're gonna be fucked. That being said. Their are definate places your carbine will be better. Like WWII trenches.

>>902465
I'm glad you have such a diverse vocabulary. Stay uneducated you fucking eurofag

>>896151
the biggest land predator in australia is a wild dog

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>>896106
i carry my rifles when i garden

>>896106
Unless you're going hunting, I think a handgun would be a better idea since the biggest threat someone might face is another person depending on where in the world you are.

>>896143
Have you ever been /out/? The few colored people who actually go out generally have better taste than someone in Atlanta or Detroit. For the most part, you aren't going to running into any niggers while /out/ unless you live in the Congo

>>902587
Oh boy, here we go with another American European shit flinging competition. He was arguing about bolt action rifles and you assume that he is European because can't spell? I have known plenty of friends here I'm the US that have atrocious writing, but don't let that stop from turning this /k/ related thread into an /int/ /pol/ related thread.

>>909013
See, even I make typos

>>909015
That means you're wrong.

>>908947
... He won the point though, you mad bro?

>>908952
Lol OK bud keep dreaming

>>908952
I have a straight pull bolt in .223 that has a 30 round magazine, sit down child. I can buy all kinds of recoil dampening products for my rifle. Your shitty lever action has little to no aftermarket support.

Bear spray is actually more likely to kill you than save you. More and more evidence is pointing to the fact that bears are actually building an immunity to bear spray over time from the increased frequency of human contact. Soon bear spray won't have any effect unless the manufacturers increase the intensity.

Even criminals have started giving themselves trace amounts of pepper spray in eye drops and food so that they can be more resilient when robbing/mugging people.

I don't really understand why someone would be opposed to carrying a simple firearm in the wilderness for emergencies. Better to have it and not need it etc. It's just another tool, one that's important if you're going into any kind of potentially dangerous environment far away from any kind of help. As usual people overlay the issue with their own wierd biases and cultural shit (redneck, tryhard, LARPer) and are blinded to the basic purpose of the tools in the first place. You get one body and one life, do everything you can to take care of it. The point is to never have to actually pull the trigger, but to have it there if you need to. Like a first aid kit.

>>909385
Citation needed.

>>908976
what's the third one? It reminds me of the turner light rifle

Does a knife count?

I don't carry it much, I'm not amurikan

whats up with these meme nagant shills.
get decent bolt rifle at least you poorfags

>>909394
The point many anons are trying to make that there are tools that are a lot more effective (and lightweight) at dealing with the issue at hand e.g. bear spray.

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>>908031
this is all wrong btw

>>896118
Sounds like someone isn't allowed to own a firearm.

>>896106
Go back to /k/. Also, Mosin Nagant 91/30.

>>902597
>shoot bear
>bear dies
>bear gets hurt and realizes he messed with the wrong creature
have you never seen a lizard run away from a bug after it sprays it with its acid stuff?

>>908037
The irony.

>>910975
please correct me. This is the sum of all my research and I want to be wrong.

>>896121
>Bears? Wolves? Mountain lions? Life has non-video game threats you dumb cuck. Go outside.
I worked in northern Ontario, Manitoba, Alberta, and NW Territories as a forest surveyor for four seasons and never had a firearm, just my Buck 118 and bear spray. I worked in very remote areas accessible only by helicopter, with a dicey sat phone, and often solo.

I carry a firearm went hunting but not when I'm collecting mushrooms, hiking with my dog, snow shoeing, and the like.

If you are so concerned about the threats of the forest you should probably stick to trails in urban forests. You'll probably end up shooting at wildlife that is of no threat to you, simply because of your fear and ignorance.

>>908031
You only need permission from the RCMP if you want to carry a pistol as an occupational requirement, not if you want to carry a long gun in the bush.

It doesn't matter if people think you are a poacher, the law is on your side.

Holy shit.
I can't believe all the "greater chance of...." excuses..
Guess what, I don't go golfing during a lightning storm.
I don't go surfing when there's 7 reported shark attacks in the last 2 months.
I also don't ride in a car with a drunk driver.
I minimize any threats.

But I will take a sidearm when I'm /out/ because rabies is still a thing. A fucking rabbid raccoon will attack you- have fun when its a rabbid coyote or panther.
Also gators are in my area.

The fact that anybody neglects these possibilitys and plays them down shows complacency and you deserve to be fucked up by nature.

>>911347

let me know when you actually use that gun of yours you fucking fat virgin

>>911347
>not surfing in a lightning storm when drunk

Pussy.

Unless you're hunting there is little reason to bring a rifle unless you're ducking around with it. Get a snubnose .44 pistol, like a S and W model 629. Small enough to pack in with enough firepower to take on most bears.

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>>896106
>>896115

I carry a .38 revolver when I'm in the field, hunting or camping. Actually saved me from a bunch of coyotes once. They normally run from people but if they're in a group and really damn hungry, or you get into their territory, they can get dangerous. Downed two and the rest ran off.

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Only thing you really need is a spear.

>>896106
Not a rifle. Too bulky and conspicuous. I keep a Glock in my pack if I'm with anti gun friends, and in an OWB holster if I'm way out in the boonies.

>>896486
I don't normally respond to retard but I'll make an exception

>gonna have a hard time getting off more than a few rounds. Bear skulls are thick

this is why all of the common calibers that get recommended for bears aren't weak. Like 12g slugs, large magnum revolver cartridges, 4570, etc

>>896453
high speed low drag

>>911357
The point is to NOT ever need to use the gun but to have it there on the rare chance you do, and having it may help in saving your life. Same as a seatbelt or a first aid kit or a bike helmet. It's just logic and safety.

>>913349
But a rifle is just a spear with a way longer range. Bullets are basically speartips, and if you throw a bayonet on your rifle you can actually use it as a spear. Therfore rifle with bayonet is more of a spear than a spear by itself

>>914706
>bullets are basically a spear

An off leash spear!

I will pepper spray your unleashed spear!

>>901633
>>901633
"His grammar was wrong so he's wrong"