Cheap knives general

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>>880839
I advice against the chinese, just shit around, but every knife in this pic is less than $15, has a proper carbon steel blade and is an honest worker.

>>880857
Yeah, but the higonokami has a rubbish handle. Whenever I want to use it I have to wrap a thick layer of cloth around it to get a good grip. By the way it's Japanese, not Chinese.
>inb4 weeb

Ontario rat 2 or 2

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>>880839
What anon said >>880883

One of the big knife retail websites has Esee folders too that are just like the Ontario ones and look sweet.

I still like Kershaw and CRKT because they aren't knife collection expensive but still better than gas station knives. And a lot of people have been buying knockoff knives from Aliexpress for dirt cheap and actually seem to like them.

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> china
Kys.

EL SALVADOR MUTHERFUKER, CAN YOU SPEAK IT?

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G L O C K

>>880839
Ganzo knives are excellent for the price. much better than you may expect.
I have several custom/ high end production folders in my collection and am very impressed with the quality of the Ganzo knives.
There is nothing from a well known manufacturer that competes at the same price level.

Opinel's and Svord are also good knives, but not for "dirty destructive" tasks. imho ymmv etc...

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Pic related.
Got it under another brand name for 30 bucks.
Cheap G10 and 440 a steel.
Used it for cutting foam isolation recently.
I sometimes test it for the shits, batoning through knots and shit. It takew it pretty well and I get a good edge back on it after 40 draws on a kitchen steel and a few on a belt, it roughly shaves my arm again. not to bad.

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I like my cheapie American made Bear MFG model 703, it's a stainless 3 inch lockback folder.

I've had mine for five years now and have abused the shit out of it, it's the knife i learned how to sharpen with, i clumsily removed the ricasso with a grinder, just because I think they get in the way. I also removed the secondary bevel and changed the grind on the knife to a flatter steep convex grind for better robustness with the softish stainless steel. Because of it's size and untactical appearance I can carry and use it anywhere and nobody cares since it doesn't scream **DEADLY WEAPON** even though it's hair poppin' sharp. So it's been my EDC along with my Leatherman Wave. I removed the clip and it rides in the nylon velcro pouch with the wave. It's the knife i reach for first whenever I want a knife because I'm not afraid to fuck it up, though it's been surprisingly rugged considering all the stupid things I've done with it like batoning, just to see if it could to make kindling and tinder in one stick / wet fire conditions, it did well provided the stick wasn't much bigger than my wrist, the lockback is pretty solid.


I paid $25 bucks for it at Ace Hardware years ago, you can get it at knifecenter now for $17 bucks.

http://www.knifecenter.com/item/BC703/Bear-and-Son-One-Hand-Opening-Folder-w-Zytel-Handle-30-inch-Closed

>>881056
> bear
Piss drinker detected.

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Typically found in gas stations for less than $4.99, probably the single most useful knife I own. Keep a pack of blades in the truck wrapped in a cloth.

>>880857
>svord
my nigga

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OP here,
I had a horse almost die on me from wrapping its head into some old blanket and getting shit scared in the process. I realize now that it was a dumb situation but that horse was my responsibility and had I not had my shitty one-hander switchblade, that horse would become burgers...

>>881085
To elaborate:
The dumb fucker had his box covered with blankets, because horsies hate sights and sounds if they feel down and shit. He found a hole in one of the blankets and put his head through and started yanking and twisting until it tightened itself so hard around his neck he couldnt breathe and his eyes almost popped out. This all happened in the early morning before feeding so I dont really feel that responsible, but as soon as he saw me he started getting a bit relieved (maybe?) because he realized his fate if I hadnt come over to feed him. I soon calmed him with my one hand and grabbed the blanket layers and silently opened my knife and cut the dumb fuck loose. In that moment I realized I didnt want to be without a knife ever again

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>>881069
Yee boy. And it stores extra blades in the handle!

>>881069
These Gerbers are fantastic

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CBRXIO0/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

got this cause i had a 10 dollar gift card and needed a knife. it hasn't broken yet, and it came pretty sharp just from the factory, but it definitely is crap knife

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Kershaw Emerson, $60, just needed something cheap.

>>880839
just because someone isn't willing to spend $100 on a knife, doesn't mean they're going to use it for "dirty destructive tasks".....a $5 gas station knife is for that

now for cost effective knives, you cannot beat a RAT, Mora, Opinel, or Sanrenmu....

I did just finish a Kephart and am working on a Bushlore, so those I cannot speak for yet

>>880890
>knockoff knives from Aliexpress
word

PM2 for sub $20, IZULA for $5-6
(it should go without saying that the material claims are BS)

Came bundled with a cheap leatherman. It's sharp enough, great for fishing.

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>>880839
That is the whole point of spending a lot on a knife. So you can do whatever the fuck you want with it and it wont fail.

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>>881669
Except that's not how it works 98% of the time. These weebs buy their $150 Benchmemes and are afraid to cut the crust off their grilled cheese sandwiches with them and ask Mom to do it instead.

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anyone have opinions on Benchmade Griptilian?

>>881669

>should I get a screwdriver to open this paint can?
>naaah, I'll just use the edge of my $200 knife instead of using the proper tool
>I paid a lot for it, it better do more than just cut stuff

>>881669

>whatever you want with it

O, anon

It'll get damaged in the exact same way as a cheaper knife; misuse messes them all up the same

>>880839
I live in a country where everythings costs at least the double than it does in US, also we have a ton of counterfeit chinese copies. Any advices on how to detect them at sight? or how to know if a pocketknife is at least decent? (asides from the price)

>>880839
>buys $300 Zero Tolerance
>uses a Ganzo for actually cutting anything more than opening letters

Fucking knife fags in here are the worst. STOP BUYING KNIVES YOU ARE AFRAID TO ACTUALLY USE FOR ANYTHING YOU FUCKING MORONS.

I USE MY EXPENSIVE KNIVES FOR ALL CUTTING TASKS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE FOR!

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>>881745
>>881975
I have stabbed this through an old steel gutter, cut metal ducting, pried crystal out of rock, dug holes, all manner of horrible abuse. its surely destroyed right? You guys really think premium materials that cost a lot exist simply to cost a lot? No shit my nice knife handles everything, thays entirely the point of buying well made knives.

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>>881699
Its tits. Nuff said.

>>882183
Are you in Yurop? I think there are some decent Spanish and German knife manufacturers and/or retailers with reasojably priced stuff. Better knives normally have better steels and heat treatments but if you get a counterfeit with shit steel you won't know until you use it.

>>882186
+1. I would never spend $300 on a knoife anyway since at that point it isn't even much better of a tool. Over $75-$100, you are getting to that point of dininishing returns.

>>882241
Anything over 200 is going to be personal preference and design over mats.

>>881674
Have multiple 100-200$ knives
Use them from everything from food prep to cutting bags at work, zipties at work small branches and brush at work
Testing to see if wood is rotten
Paint scraping

>>882275
>2%er

>>882241
Nope, Argentina. I guess its hard to find good things in thirld world countries. Thanks for the tip, I'll try to pick one if I travel to europe or the us

>>882287
Most of the Yuro sites were still slightly expensive compared to buying the same knife in the US. But the brands that are made in Yurop, those were actually nice for the money.

So that's what I reccommend: find a knife manufacturer based in South America, find a retailer (online or actual store) who sells those knives, and buy one.

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>>882287
And if exchange rates suck and you can't find a local manufacturer, just order a knockoff from Aliexpress. I have actually heard good things about these knoifes for the price. Just remember you are ordering from China so it will take a minute for shipping.

https://m.aliexpress.com/item/32609509066.html

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>>882287
And what about MercadoLibre? The interwebz says that is basically your ebay. Just remember, if the prices are too good to be true it is probably fake.

I have no idea what your exchange rate is but for knives that are above flea market tier but not ridiculously overpriced collectors items, look for Gerber, Kershaw, Buck, maybe CRKT. Kershaw makes a lot of cool folders for $20US to $60US. Otherwise you can go meme status and get an Opinel or Mora.

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>>882287
I think I figured it out. You need an Opinel. Those actually look like reasonable prices.

>>882296
thanks I will look into that.

>>882304
Its 1 dolar = 15 argentinean pesos, the thing with mercadolibre is that almost everything there are chinese counterfeits that people sell as originals.

>>882306
Thanks, I would try to go to one of those stores and take a look at them.

>>882364
The MercadoLibre stuff actually looked like it was real as long as the prices weren't too good to be true. Only problem is a knife that costs $100 in the US is the equivalent of $200 by you which sucks.

Prices were all over the place too which confused me. But if you do get anything from there, check out the seller ratings and feedback and maybe you can find a reliable one.

I was hoping they would have some affordable Gerbers or Kershaws on MercadoLibre but the Gerbers were all Bear Grylls knives (which honestly aren't terrible) but lots of them were overpriced while there were some that were opened and used once or just not in the original package and they didn't look too bad and that's kinda sketchy for a cheap knife. And the Kershaw prices were all over the board, like knives that would be $40 in the US were advertised on the site for like $60 up to $200 and I don't understand how they could even ask that much.

I feel bad for you third world fags sometimes. I wonder how simple it would be for some anon in the US to order it and then just mail it to you. International postage normally isn't that expensive as long as you aren't trying to mail packages to war zones.

>>882397
the thing is almost every bear grylls knives are counterfeit (they came in those boxes) and the other ones you can't tell because they dont use real pictures. It's a shame that the merchants here try to scam you selling fakes as reals or charging them a lot more.

Thanks for all the tips tho, I'll try to find something useful or see if any friend travels and can buy one for me.

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>>882440
You don't have a local sporting goods or outdoor store where you could go?

If not, I think you should just order something from Aliexpress because it will be cheap and you already know it is fake. Or maybe go on US Ebay and contact the seller about international shipping and see if it is possible to pay a few dollars extra. There are so many dudes on ebay with good deals on knives. One dude sells a ton of Kershaws with factory blemishes that they can't sell in-store (so like a minor scratch on the blade) and I want to buy all of them.

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>>882440
>>882441
In addition to sporting goods stores (or fishing tackle shops, gun stores, etc) sometimes big hardware stores will carry some ok knives. What is the Argentinian equivalent of Home Depot or Lowe's?

>>882441
there's one not far from home, I'll try to go there and see what they got.

>>882442
we have Easy and Sodimac, they may have something.

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>>882444
Checked

And idk what those places are like, but the ones around here normally seem to have the knives somewhere up front by the checkout so you impulse buy them. It isn't the best selection but I was at Ace Hardware the other day and they actually had a few known brands.

And if either of those stores have websites, they might carry more online. Lowe's, one of the major hardware, lumber, and home improvement stores in the US carries a bunch of Leathermans and other knives on their website.

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>>881699
I have this and love it

>>882532
Wut iz it

>>880839

Don't get anything cheap that your life may depend on. I'd legitimately advise you to get a hand-forged, fixed blade knife of good quality. It's one piece of kit, along with clothing and medical supplies, that you shouldn't cheap out on.

>>882558
this is the most bullshit fucking thing Ive ever read, please be satire. I'm not going to die because I have an opinel; I would be more likely to die through not having a map / compass

>>882560

>watches knife review videos by "bushcrafters" on youtube

Guarantee it.

>ITT Americunts acting superior and experienced in surviving in the woods with 'survival kits'
Niggas come to Eastern Europe and try to survive the Šuma with your grandmas butter knife and some rakija and talk to me then

>>880839
chinese izula Clones
i have like 10 of them.

>>882619
>Eastern Europe
What unfortunate wealthier country visitor did you rob and kill to type that?

>>882760
>What unfortunate wealthier country visitor did you rob and kill to type that?
>implying I didnt craft my own router out of old Lada parts and walkie talkie
Get on my level, amerikanski

>>881085
>>881089

Fucking horses man. People go on about how majestic they are, but really they're just idiotic shit machines.

>>880857
How does the Solsona compare to the Aitor?

Which one would you say is more traditional? I've got the Aitor and I like simple, affordable working knives.

>>880839
Not chinese but gerber lst.

Inb4 >gerber

It came out in '80 and still in production its an ok knife but the steel is a bit soft

>>881674
>>881091

Why do you have two trips? Are you trying to be twice the faggot now?

>>886665
Same trip. I'm just trying to be non-offensive because the SJW's got to me.

>>880839
> chinese

Why Chinese and not El Salvador?

El Salvador means 'The Savior' after all.

>>886794
It needs to be MelloYelloSexual

>>880857
names?

>>881745
>i watched a lecture by a knife maker that sells custom tacticool folders for thousands of dollars and he said, and I quote, "I could replace the blades with compressed dog shit and no one would notice because all they (his customers) do with them is this" *flips open and closes the knife several times*

>>887248
Maybe tomorrow

>>882283
actually a lower middle class 20 year old whos worked ( and saved) since they were 13

no college just hard work and money managment

the only things i spend money on are fishing shit knives and vehicles

i want to try and sell some of the knives i dont use frequently and downsize my collection maybe re spend the money on new knives or contribute to a nice new kayak or boat

i use my knife ( whatever one im carryng) on a daily basis from 10 to 100 times doing various shit

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>>888468
I'm just fuckin with ya. As long as you spend a significant part of your income on fishing stuff, you are ok in my book.

>>888469
so much of it, im trying to decide if i should save and buy a new kayak or not, i didnt do much fishing this year due to a pretty bad drought and i stoked up in shit this spring when fishing was good

>dissasembled cleaned, lubed, and sharpened my 8 knives today

i really need to sell a few of them

>>888473
I just realized that pic I posted above is like $400 worth of lures alone. Fuck. My priorities are just right.

>>888474
36 lures x about $7 each only $250

>>888476
Those aren't $7 lures.

>>888478
i always assume you can get most rapalas etc on sale for 6-7 each but theyre normally more

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Picked this up or $20 on eBay from China. So who knows if its genuine. Says it's AUS 8, but it's done me good for a couple years

>>888479
X-Raps never go on sale. $10-$11 each. Same with Yo-Zuris, $11ea. And those SkitterPops are ~$10ea. The ones on the far right are the only ones that were <$10 I believe.

I wish I could find X-Raps and Yo-Zuris for $7. I would stock up.

Out of all my cheap knives, the best is probably a Benchmark I picked up a couple years ago for $5. Can't find a pic of the exact thing, but it's just a typical folding pocket knife you'd find at any hardware store. It holds an edge surprisingly well.

>>885295
The Solsona is much cheaper made, plastic handle, a couple pins, a spring, a blade, it is simply the bare basics.
The C60E (yeah, the E kinda makes it special) is hardened very high, much higher than lets say an Opinel.
Because of the leaf shape blade, flat grind and carbon steel it is ridiculously easy to get it ridiculously sharp, you will be hard pressed to find a pocket knife who takes on a finer edge.

Makes an excellent cheap user, the blade geometry works for many things,
I often use it for food prep and especially like it for mushroom hunting and light camp work. Also it is light and flat and rides well in the pocket. I like it more than the Aitor in that respect. Also, they cost like 8€.

The higher end Solsonas are pretty too.

>>887255
Aitor
Solsona
Svord
Opinel

>>880839
hey shit head
> <$100
that means under $100
the crocodile always eats the biggest number dude

>>888469
>income

Good one

>>885263
Donkeys are where it's at for an intelligent animal you can sit on.

for folders there are a lot of good choices in the 50 dollar range.

For fixed blade, gerber has a couple that are ok, so does Ontario.

Honestly though I'd rather have 3 250 dollar dollar knives (small, medium and large) from swamp rat or busse than 10 mediocre ones that dont really do anything well.

>>881669
so, the fuck is this?

>>889604
zt0560
id buy one if i could find one

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I picked up the Gerber moment, so I'll see how it works. It has a very cheap sheath but I like the features on the knife.

>>882442

Is it true that they are good fish to eat?

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>>889773
Supposedly yes. They were introduced to the US because they were being farmed for food and got loose.

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>>889604
It is a zt0160 with the flipper taken off, and i hit the ti handle slab with a torch to change its color.

>>889610
Ebay my dude, i got this one for $140

>>889799
im going to be getting a 0452 soon

i have and like the mora robust

>>882532
Mah nigga

>>889802
I am about to buy a zt0450cf should have it tuesday

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>>880839
whatever knife is selling on ebay for $10

>>880953

how on earth did you manage to make 5 mistakes spelling SHIT? It only has four letters.

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>>890260
>$17

It's all about those clearance and discontinued models. I think this Kershaw was around $40 regular retail price. And then those CRKT C/K Dragons are still on eBay for $25-$30 when full retail was closer to $75 because it is discontinued.

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https://www.amazon.com/Morakniv-Companion-Outdoor-Military-4-1-Inch/dp/B004TNWD40
My go to cheap bushcraft knife.

recently bought a new knife.

steel will cager 1410.
g10 handle scales, d2 steel, drop point blade, kydex sheath.

i am reall curious how it will hold up /innawoods/

>>880857
name all these knives for us please

>>881699
Yes, I got the full size grip and absolutely love it. slices like a beast on acid and the 154cm is takes and holds a great edge. Great locking system, the deployment is smooth and mine had no bladeplay. It is incredibly comfortable to hold and use. GET ONE NOW

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>>890346
disgusting namefag
+animal molester

>>890345
>how on earth did you manage to make 5 mistakes spelling SHIT? It only has four letters.
the redneck is strong in him

>>890346
>muh 17$ kershaw autism

I have a Spyderco Tenacious that I use for regular shit and take with me every once in a while. I want to get one of these
http://www.gearbest.com/pocket-knives-folding-knives/pp_230534.html
Just so that I can use for more abusive tasks, probably skinning from time to time.

I like knifes and would like to have a little collection of a bunch of them. I only have two so far.

>>890611
not a bad choice, although for $10 more you can get a real RAT

for as cheap as they are, it's worth it

>>890617
>for $10 more you can get a real RAT
Where?

Yea it is worth it, especially if it's just gonna be abused and messed with.

>>890617
>>890620
>Where?

not in Italy

https://www.amazon.it/Ontario-Coltello-RAT-1-Grigio-Gris/dp/B0013ASG3E/ref=sr_1_8?s=sports&ie=UTF8&qid=1478559213&sr=1-8

>>890626
Well I am in the US

>>890620
The RAT folders are all over the internet for ~$25. At least if you are in the US, that's what they go for. They are made in Taiwan and not the same as the Ontario fixed blades but supposedly they are still nice for the money.

One of the big knoife websites (I can't remember which one even though I ordered a CRKT from them) sells Esee folders too made in the same Taiwanese factory and it is supposed to be the only place you really want an Asian knoife made at. The one Esee folder is almost the same as the smaller Ontario RAT folder but the larger Esee is more unique. They are both affordable though, the smaller one is only around $25.

>>890629
How good are they?

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>>890629
>>890620
BladeHQ for the Esee folders btw. I have kinda been wanting a Leek but if I can get a D2 Esee folder for $35 then that might be the way to go.

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>>890631
Better than what you would expect for $25. I don't think Ontario would put their name on it if they were trash.

Manufacturing in Asia makes a huge difference in price. I doubt the warranty is the same on the folders so that helps the price too. But even with good steel, it is still just a sharpened piece of metal and are cheap to make in a factory that builds tons of knives everyday and they don't have to pay the guys sharpening the blades $30/hr.

Read up on it a little, you will hear about that factory in Taiwan. They make knoifes for different manufacturers but it is better quality stuff than you will get from any Chinese factory.

>>890632
>>890638
My Spderco is made in China so these are might be better? Don't know. I don't know what cheap knife to get.

>>890631
it's on the large side, but they're well made

>>890639
you can't generalize solely based on country

be careful who you buy from, as that can make a much bigger difference....if the company is shipping it from asia, you should be very wary of what the actual blade might be

I got my Rats from legitimate retailers, so I'm confident I got what I was supposed to (aus-8)

>>890643
True. Might just get the China one because fuck man lol. Can you link me to a good cheap one? Like the ones that were like 10 more than the Chinese ones.

>>890644
were you the guy in italy?

like the other anon said, they run about $25 on amazon for those in the US

I don't know who else would sell them cheaper than amazon, if you needed it shipped internationally

if you cannot find anything cheaper with shipping, go for one of the knockoffs, like I said you may not get exactly the steel they claim, but I know other people have ordered from there....I thought about getting one myself just for the different lock

>>890652
Nope I am in the US

>>890653
oh, then amazon is good

https://www.amazon.com/Ontario-8848-Folding-Knife-Black/dp/B0013ASG3E

if you don't have prime, can't get a free trial, or don't want to reach the spending limit, Sears and Kmart both sell it...you can get it shipped free and get cashback

>>890658
Thanks anon! I am gonna pick this up soon. Looks pretty awesome. How would it compare to my Spyderco Tenacious?

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>>890644
AliExpress had a ton of knockoff Chinese knives for dirt cheap but they will probably take a couple weeks for shipping.

KnifeCenter and BladeHQ are both reputable sites so you won't get a fake knife from them. And the country it was made in doesn't matter that much, quality control is the main issue. I have mentioned this before, you could have the exact same knife made in China and the US out of the same materials and the US one will cost 3x as much. The batch of 10,000 knives from the Chinese factory might have 100 that get to customers with some defect while the 10,000 made in the US have 10 bad knives go out because of QC. I would just buy the Chinese knife and hope I don't get one of the 100 defective knives. And even if I did get a bad one, if it is made by a good brand they will send you a new one anyway.

So just do your research on materials. There are lots of nice folders for <$40 that come from decent brands. Those Ontarios, the Esees, Kershaws, Gerbers, Byrds and whatever cheaper Spydercos, CRKT, Buck, and so on.

I try and look for shit on sale. There are always discontinued knives that you can get a steal on. I paid $17 with shipping included for the Kershaw with the orange handle and those were $40-$50 before the got disco'd and then the CRKT was around $25 and those were closer to $75.

There is also a dude on eBay who sells a ton of Kershaws for really cheap because they had a small scratch or other tiny imperfection and they couldn't sell them for full retail at REI or wherever.

ive had to buy a cuck knife recently.
my college banned dangerous knives from campus.
no fixed blades, limited length, no locking blades.
i have been carrying a knife every day for the last 12 years. but now i got into trouble with some fucknugget of campus police at my college for clipping an izula to my belt.

> izula
>dangerous assault knife
>i am not even a britbong

bought a black manly comrade in d2
seemed to be the best option.

fucking liberals

>>890661
>research materials
>sub $40
>Buck

Nigga, the only Bucks in that price range have 420HC which is shit-tier. Man has marketing pulled the wool over your eyes.

>>890661
Probably gonna get the one that was linked to me here >>890658 It's pretty good. Anyways where do you order these cheap knifes? At BladeHQ?

>>890830
You ever used a buck knife in their 420hc? It aint chinese shit.

>>890811
>for clipping an izula to my belt.
Put it in your pocket like a normal person, you attention seeking faggot.

>>890993
doesnt matter. fixed blade pocket knives are banned from campus and they can throw you out for carrying one.

>>890929
Idk, just look on Amazon, eBay, BladeHQ, KnifeCenter.

If you do eBay, just make sure it is a reputable seller. It's easy enough to tell by looking at feedback, pricing, and the other items they sell.

>>890976

Yes. I have the 112 Ranger (finger grooved version) that I received as a gift.

http://www.cabelas.ca/product/536/buck-112-ranger-finger-grooved-folding-knife

The build quality is excellent but the edge retention is shit. So yes, my first hand experience with it is that 420hc is shit-tier. Also, I know enough about it to know how it compares to a real blade steel like 154cm.

I think the marketing in this industry is genius. The bought and paid for "reviews" that everyone bases their opinion on have the consumer audience completely fooled into buying mediocre garbage and loving it.

The audience has no real idea what edge retention is because 842 websites tell them that it's 'low end but still pretty good'. The consumer retains 'still pretty good' and because they've never had an excellent blade they have no reference. Then they start spreading the message, in one form or another, that it's pretty good.

And that is exactly, EXACTLY, how we arrived at you defending it. You've never done comparison testing. Your going off the shill-reviews and brainwashed community chatter. It's not based on experience. It's based off of marketing propaganda.

420hc is bargain tier steel. If you someone says otherwise they're either selling you something or they've had the wool pulled over their eyes too.

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>>891265
Uh senpai, i have 154cm, s35vn, elmax, 1095, 1075, and one buck knife pic related and it seems fine to me ok. I believe it is their standard 420hc.

>>881161
that seems expensive, Amazon usually has the CQC-k's for like 35 and under.

I love my 8k, just ordered a 4kxl upon a slight price drop.

Other nominations for beaters are:
>Smith and Wesson trash knives

Have a border guard and 2 gens of extreme ops, both extremes completely blow, the border guard is good but I the screws fell off the clip almost immediately and the liner was too tight and would let the blade rest deep enough so it would close with even slight weight on the spine. The border guard is very VERY well reviewed for a cheap knife so I assume I got a lemon. Nothing a few computer case screws and a bit of grinding on the liner couldn't fix, also the window breaker is great for breaking up ice build up on a -80 freezer where I used to work.

>Opinel
Cheap, useful, feels fancy because of the wood and frenchiness. It's so fucking french they actually named the way to open it when you have trouble grabbing the blade. It's called the "Coup de Savoyard", you just tap the fucking back end of the handle to pop the blade out a little then grab it with your fingers.

>gas station knives
I have 4 left, theyre the ones you buy when you see it and think it looks cool despite knowing its basically garbage. Great to learn how to sharpen on, great for boxes and packaging, good enough for most other things as well. Dull fast, sharpen easily, crappy non-blade parts, 3 of mine have computer screws holding them together and all 4 have received generous globs of loctite. One is "spring assisted," it has an s-shaped wire that's embedded in the very cheap plastic grip, it tore through the plastic over 2 years so I super glued a nut where the break was to add more pressure. I also found out why it doesn't close, it has a ball bearing but it lacks a divot for the bearing to fall into, it has become a house knife as it tends to open in pocket.

>Kershaw Chill
pretty cheap, pretty good, thumb notch assisted, very light and compact.

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This one's great as a utility knife if you want to try out a Bill Harsey design

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SHOULD I buy this knife?

it is very light and affordable. 3.2oz and very sizeable but not so light as an opinel

>>891593
"seems fine to me ok"

Sounds like you've never done any comparison testing.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/793481-Ranking-of-Steels-in-Categories-based-on-Edge-Retention-cutting-5-8-quot-rope

420hc is shit tier.

>>891743

Furthermore. If you haven't done any serious testing, what's your "seems fine to me ok" based on? How it looks?

>>891743
Ive used it a handful of times for regular shit, its held the edge i put on it a month and a half ago. I do have nice knives, that are all obviously way better than the buck, but the buck does fine for edc shit. Im not trying to say its on par with anything high end.

Did a buck knife kill your parents anon?

>>891747

It might sound like I'm picking on Buck, but what I'm really picking on is sneaky marketing convincing people shit tier products are good.

For instance, my wife bought me a 112 because the guy at the store told her it was a good knife. His opinion was, like the ones expressed in this thread, that Buck is "pretty good" because 847 webshills and a community of guys that never did more than open an occasional package, told him so.

So my wife thinks it's a good knife and buys it for me. And then we go camping for 2 weeks and I'm using the knife daily. Then I find out the truth. Then I find out that it can't hold an edge for shit.

So how do people end up convinced that shit tier products aren't shit tier? Marketing. The power of marketing is the ability to manipulate perception until it no longer matches the truth.

>>891747
Not him but of course if you don't use your knife very often or strenuously it will hold its edge for longer

With the sort of use I put on my knives I will dull (still usable but not as sharp as I prefer) a s30v blade in a month
Sometimes 2 or 3 weeks if im using it more often then normal

My AUs8 knife wears out (not dull but not as sharp as I prefer) in 2 ish weeks sometimes even less

My knife in s110v will last well over a month especially if I keep it touched up

>>891772
I don't know what point you're trying to make. Usage dulls an edge? Not exactly a revelation.

>>891843
And cheaper lesser steels dull faster
Exactly

>>891846

Exactly. And 420HC is a cheap shit tier steel. So when I see people defending or recommending it, or other shitty products, I know I'm dealing with a victim of marketing and not a serious practitioner.

There's a big difference between collector and a practitioner. 99% of the people I see in knife threads are not serious practitioners.

>>880839
I just got a Mora Companion, this shit is fucking solid for the price. Anyone know anything better in this pricepoint?

>>891849
Exactly I'm not disagreeing with you
Bucks 420hc is shit
Used a coworkers buck and sharpened it for them and it was clearly a soft steel by the way it sharpened

>>891852

I got 6 of them so I could get them for just under $16/piece.

There is nothing better under $50. I don't know how they do it.

>>891859
It's too bad though. Their build quality is top notch.

>>891880
>$50

There's the kansbol for $35 - 3 times more than you'd pay for a companion, butbetter handle and a really good blade - 2.5mm with a distal taper (because of the ffg front half), and great handle.

Other than that, maybe condor bushlore if you're lucky, since they can be hit or miss at times, and we're talking $50.

Besides being a bit of a meme, mora knives are really good. The new ones have gone up in price vs the basic, $10 models, especially the garberg, but they're good. I especially like the eldris.

>>891652
Forgot to mention ita a case sodbuster

>>891752
Anon1: bucks 420hc is fine for edc shit
Anon2: nuh uh! I took one camping for 2 weeks and i had to maintain it!

what the fuck man

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>>880839
I have a Ganzo G728, I've had it a little more than a month and no real complaints. The mechanism was made with ball bearings and is extra sturdy, the liner lock is as good or better than anything else I've used, including the Gerber skeleton frame folder. I put my own lanyard on it and it rules. Not my pic but pic of the knife I got.

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>>880896
How do you like that one? I'm thinking of getting my gf the one with the micarta handle. Notice any hot spots? Pic unrelated.

>>891886

>same steel
>same heat treat
>companion handles are already very comfy and grippy as hell
>has excitingly goofy grind that approximates a proper distal taper and somehow this makes it a superior blade?

I think Mora has figured out there's a market where people will pay 3x the price for the same blade if you tell them it's more awesomer to teh max!

You're another keyboard warrior drinking all the kool aid the marketing men put out. I want to see independent comparison testing, not marketing shit-speak.

I want to see PROOF that it cuts any better or grips any better or retains an edge any longer, or you can stfu.

>>891897
You have no idea what edge retention means in this context. It's a comparison. Did you not understand the significance?

>bucks 420hc is fine for edc shit

That's funny, because the ranger 112 is marketed as a hunting and camping knife. It's a knife they're selling you to be out in the woods with. I don't know if you camp or hunt every single day, but for the rest of us that's not "edc"

>I took a $70 Buck camping for 2 weeks and i had to sharpen it more than my $16 Mora for the same amount of work. And now I have to explain the concept of comparative edge retention to a bunch of retards.

>>892062
>autism

>>892082

Just calling me names is a lot easier than saying something intelligent about the topic.

I may be autistic, but at least I'm not stupid.

>>892062

Kansbol handles feel better for me than companion handle.

The grind takes getting used to, but it's actually really good. Yes - it's more expensive, though still what i'd consider a cheap knife. Yes - it's only a minor improvement over the companion, but still an improvement.

Oh, and the sheath is better, especially with how they did the retention.

>>892108
It's getting real hard to keep trying to explain practical differences to collectors.

>Kansbol handles feel better for me than companion handle.

Ok. Doesn't mean it works any better. The companion handles are great.

>The grind takes getting used to

Bullshit. It's cosmetic. It doesn't improve cutting performance or edge retention. Its only "function" is to impress people that don't know any better.

>Oh, and the sheath is better

All 6 companions I bought had very snug fit up in the sheath. I think your opinion that they improved upon this is something you were told.

Like I said, 99% of the people in /out/ learned everything they know about modern knives from marketing. You just soak it up and regurgitate it back out whenever the opportunity presents itself.

>>892124

wrong, wrong, and wrong


the handle is better - try it.

The secondary grind does improve geometry, and thus cutting performance. It's not something that makes a huge difference (most of the time it's not relevant), but does matter when working with the tip (such as making square holes).

And my opinion of the sheath retention being better is something I observed personally, not something I was told.

It's obvious you're just being contrary for the sake of being contrary.

Well, i'm sorry, the kansbol is a better knife than the companion in every aspect, period.

>>892128

>the handle is better - try it.

There's no way to quantify that so we're just arguing preference.

>The secondary grind does improve geometry, and thus cutting performance.

There is a way to quantify cutting performance. So ahead and post some evidence for that silly bullshit any time you want. Assuming you understand that repeating the claim over and over isn't actually evidence.

>And my opinion of the sheath retention being better is something I observed personally, not something I was told.

Ok, prove it. Post your evidence.

>Well, i'm sorry, the kansbol is a better knife than the companion in every aspect, period.

Absolutely... if you're a keyboards warrior that doesn't know any better.

The rest of us will wait on evidence.

>>892129
>evidence
>evidence
>evidence


think that makes you clever? Kansbol has the same blade as the 2000/bushcraft forest, which has long since been proven superior to the standard. Find the evidence yourself if you're so hung up on it.

As for the sheath - look at any picture of the kansbol/garberg/eldris handle. And I do mean any picture. See that sunken diamond in the pattern? That's not decoration. Inside the handle there are two protrusions that mate with it and give you more positive retention than a standard companion - i've checked.

Ounce for ounce, the kansbol is just better - the sooner you accept this fact, the sooner you can stop being a stubborn retard.

>>890349
companion is best work knife overall
especially if you buy it dirt cheap

>>892132

You're making the claim. The burden of proof is on you. The sooner you accept this fact, the sooner you can stop being a stubborn retard.

>>892134

Really. Show me a video, or even a well described comparison test where this knife out performs the companion in some measurable way. Show me you have some reason to believe this that carries more weight than a rumor.

>>892128
i once run some numbers on more expensive mora knives usually the price mainly boils down to the steel used and how much of it is in the blade, then comes the extras like sheaths stones and ferro rods.

when you compare their products with various features you can see how the pricetag adds up. and i have to say it's still fucking cheap. there are low serial products that are more expensive then even more dirt cheap mass produced ones also.

>>892134
>>892135

check the reviews for mora 2000.

funny how you're breaking your balls over 20 bucks. This ain't rocket science, and you guys ain't NASA. And by the looks of it, you have no practical experience with knives. You're just keyboard warriors.

once again - the handles on the new moras are better designed, than the companion. I'm sorry it hurts your fragile little ego, as you desperately cling to the notion that your $13 knife is every ounce as good as any other knife, but it just isn't so. Because the handle is more symmetrical, it lends itself better to crafting - it is the closest thing to a synthetic version of the mora classic (wooden handle). It has positive retention in the sheath by design, which the companion doesn't have, and the mounting system for the new sheath is better as well (the way the new belt loops/straps/multi mount work is superior to the old clip style).

Thinner blade tip means easier penetration when working with wood. At the very least, you're trying to compare a 2-2.5mm thick blade, to a 1-1.5mm thick blade, and in terms of performance (all other things being equal), the odds are always in favor of the thinner blade. How much more "proof" do you need?

I get it - some people swear by the companion, because they get off on how massive the price difference is between it, and $150 knives - in that case, look no further than the mora 511 - i've seen those on sale for $2.50.

Once again - when you compare the two blades side by side, the 2000/kansbol is simply better than the companion. If you don't feel that's worth spending an extra 16 dollars ($13 for the companion, vs $29 for the kansbol), your choice.

>>892150

I get that you don't understand the burden of proof. "look it up" is the idiot's first response.

Jesus, you regurgitate a lot of bullshit. As ironic as it might sound, I hope you're at least making some of this up yourself. A salesman should be creative when trying to bullshit people.

>How much more "proof" do you need?

Your incessant blathering isn't proof of anything, except that you don't understand the word.

Can you imagine a cutting competition where everyone just argued the intellectual merits of their knives instead of actually cutting stuff?

FFS Kid, yapping doesn't prove shit. And when you make a claim the burden of proof is on you.

The fact of it is you don't actually know yourself if any of your claims are true. You hope they are, but you've got no proof.

>>892155

quite the contrary.

"prove it" is the same kind of bullshit as "constructive criticism" that morons like you run away to when they have no argument.

By the same logic, I could ask you to "prove" the mora companion can stand up to the kansbol, since YOU are making that claim.


Essentially, you have two near-identical blades, only one of them is thinner, and your insisting that I prove the thinner blade has better geometry. How stupid are you, kid?


I know my claims are true, because I've had the chance to compare both blades in person, and no, i'm not going to make a video, a blog post, or anything of the sort about it - you can take my word (and my honest opinion) for it, or you can go on pretending the cheaper mora companion is equal to the more expensive kansbol, because I haven't proved otherwise - hey, if you want to use the inferior knife, because you can't bear to part with an extra 16 bucks, who am I to tell you different.

Just keep your "wisdom" to yourself.

>>881669
I don't buy knives that I'd feel bad about losing. $60 is my upper limit.

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>>892159

>"prove it" is the same kind of bullshit as "constructive criticism" that morons like you run away to when they have no argument.

If you think the burden of proof and constructive criticism are bullshit. If you really believe that, I pity you.

We're not comparing a 3mm thick stainless clip point to an 7mm kukri made from a leaf spring.

They're both

-4 inch clip points
-nearly the same thickness.
-same steel
-same heat treat

I'm saying that because the blades are similar in so many significant way that a claim that one out performs the other is extraordinary and requires proof.

I have a hard time believing that grinding in a faux distal taper to a blade will significantly increase its work performance. In fact, if the grinding leaves a rough surface it may actually reduce performance.

http://www.cartercrafts.com/carbon_myth.htm (Mirror Polished Blades - Too Pretty To Use)

Now look at the pic. There's good reason to believe the roughly finished Kansbol may actually be negatively effected by it's finish. Further reason to require proof from you back up your claim that the Kansbol out performs the Companion.

>>892346


Since when is 1-1.5mm "nearly the same" thickness as 2.5mm?

You are making the claim that a companion perfoems just as well as a kansbol - YOU prove it. We can go on like this ad infinitem - that's why it's stupid.

The thinned out tip on the kansbol does gove it better performance when working with it.

Yes - they will be close in performance, i'll give you that, but the new blades like mora 2000/kansbol have a few subtle improvements that you are going out of your way to deny.

>>892519

>Since when is 1-1.5mm "nearly the same" thickness as 2.5mm?

Since it's only a mm, not a quarter inch.

>You are making the claim that a companion perfoems just as well as a kansbol

Not exactly. I'm saying the blades are so similar that your claim is extraordinary. I don't think you understand the difference.

>The thinned out tip on the kansbol does gove it better performance when working with it.

Again, that's a vague, unproven claim. What EXACTLY can it do better and what is it measured in? How do you know?

And did you even check the link I provided about the effects of a smooth finish? Do you not see how rough the Kansbol's primary and secondary edge are in comparison to the companion? That guy knows more about blades than you or I put together. You'll listen to a bunch of reviews by shills and amateurs but you'll ignore an expert?

>Yes - they will be close in performance, i'll give you that

Fucking finally you start to warm up to the obvious. Maybe you're not completely hopeless.

>>892519
>>892532

Forgot to say, I'll give you this. Maybe the sheath of the Kansbol is superior. It's certainly possible. There's no compelling reason for me to believe it's not reasonable or call that an extraordinary claim. So I'll concede that point.

I prefer a handle that curves at the palm over a symmetrically profiled handle. That's a matter of taste, so the only thing to talk about with the handle is material. I've used my companion with wet hands and it didn't get slippery like hard glossy plastic. It stayed grippy. I don't know if there's much to improve on there.

I do have one of their craftline, pic related, and the handle is hard plastic. It's honestly really shitty in the hand imho.

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>>892538

forgot pic

>>892346
these were being sold for 20 bucks a pop at the PX on lejeune. I bought 6 of them and just stuck them in random packs and gave 2 away as gifts. They make awesome knives for fishing too

>>891652
If you're going to buy a folding knife, get a Multitool.

Unless you want something classy, that is.

>>892532
That "only 1mm" is still 40% thicker blade.
I gave knives that are 1/8'' thick (3.2mm), and knives 4.5mm thick, as well as 1/16'' thick (1.6mm) - in either case it is "just" 1mm. According to your logic, that should make them equal.

And i'm not the one making the claim. I'm stating an obvious fact, that a blade which is 40% thinner has better geometry.

You are the one making the claim that a companion has exactly the same performance, so YOU go ahead and prove it.

And i never said the kansbol (or the 2k) is vastly superior to the cheapy mccheapknife, only that it has an extra feature that is actually relevant and gives it better performance when slicing, and you go into rage mode, because your baseless claim that your $13 knife is the equal of any other knife out there is in danger.

Truth is - most people that us knives never go beyond the basic functionality, and this extra feature of the 2k blade will be lost on them. But other people might find it worth the 16 bucks extra, and they won't be wrong.

>>892578

I take it back, you are hopeless.

>>892584

I am convinced the only place the user is going to feel the difference is in the price. Mora has found a clever way to get people to pay more for effectively the same thing.

>>892578

Don't think I didn't notice that you skipped telling me how this improved performance is measured.

Not that you're going to tell me though. It's easy to say 'now with 40% more awesome' but it's another thing to demonstrate it.

The drag created by the rougher finish could nullify the expected benefit of the altered geometry, but you don't know. You could be dead wrong and you don't know because rather than know something factual you're content to parrot marketing propaganda.

>>892097
Define stupid

>>892591
geez, dude, how stupid are you?

So let me get this straight - in the same post, you are claiming that a substantially thinner blade, with better geometry, is not an improvement, and then you claim "more shiny" is a big improvement.

Talk about someone who has had their head turned by clever marketing bullshit.

I'm still waiting for you to demonstrate "equal cutting performance" from an obviously inferior blade geometry.

This thread is shit. You guys are some seriously autistic faggots. Marketing man should be a fucking tripfag

>>892614
>Define stupid

Paying more for the same thing. That's stupid.

>>892755

At this point I think you're trolling me. No one can be THAT stupid.

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>>881699
Had mine for 4 years. Never let me down and I put this knife through hell.

>>881699
>>892818
How much does it cost? My current knife is a Spyderco Tenacious.

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So I bought these super cheap pocket knives from China. Paid $17 shipped for all 3, waited about two weeks.

Just got them, and I love em already. Sharp, and well made.
Stainless steel.
5Cr15MoV
Thin, and light

One hand operation is possible, but takes time to get accustomed. The blade is a chode, and being brand new, doesnt open smoothly yet.

I work in IT, and my primary need is to open boxes, and stuff.
I am also a car mechanic, and I prefer pocket knives over disposable blades.
I do heavy in the woods camping as well, so I'll bring these with me.

For around $3.50 each, these are fucking great, and are worlds better than any $2 plastic handle knife you can get at Wal-Mart

I did wish these had a little stub for flip open application, but as a test run, I am not disappointed. Will look for a more regular flip knife from their eBay store.

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>>893064
Mechanic, eh?

Seriously though you would probably like this little Snap On knife. It is tiny so if you just need something to cut boxes and pry open paint cans, it would totally work. Plus Snap On!!!

>>892801
>No one can be THAT stupid.


apparently, you are. Fucking "mora companion is the greatestestestest knife ever" fags are even worse than sebongo guy.

Like that time some dude said it costs $12 to make any knife, so literally no knife ever should cost more than $20.

Now, where is my popcorn?

>>892775
>This thread is shit

well, it was started by some mall ninja warrior, who could only afford a cheap chink knockoff, so he made a thread to pretend no one in the world ever needs good knives, just to make himself feel a bit better.

What did you expect?

>>892852
For the mini grip you can find them around $90 new i think the full size are 20-30$ more
Plus you have 3 different blade shapes to chose from

>>893114
Damn they are expensive, but I hear they are the best. Maybe one day i'll buy one.

>>893065
>This is what a $400 Snap-on pocket knife looks like

>>893148
I think they're acutally kinda cheap. It's only $400 if you buy it off the truck. I found mine on the floor of a Walgreens.

>>893130
They're pretty good
I have a sheepsfoot mini grip that I don't carry any more
For the $120 I'd buy a paramilitary instead

>>893064

Source? I'll risk the $17 to try these out.

>>893186
You should check out AliExpress. There are tons of knock-off knives that are actually good for the money. Fake Esees and Ontarios and Ka Bars for cheap and some of them use (or claim to) decent steel.

>>893186
http://stores.ebay.com/edcgears/

>>893064
Follow up review.

Bottom knife is my fave, works great. Super slim. Had it my pocket all day, didnt even notice its there.

Middle knife is good too, its gonna be in my car.

Top knife is eh. There is this stupid protruding stopper for the blade that right under the clip that makes it very, if not impossible, to slip it in my pocket. Stupid design, but otherwise its good.

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I use a Spyderco Resilience day to day and a Cold Steel Voyager XL when Im /out/ incase my dog bails a pig.

What major retailers actually sell Spydercos and Byrds for a decent price? I hate ordering shit like that online without getting a chance to play with it.

Gander Mtn? I don't think Bass Pro has them, but they have plenty of Benchmemes. And then I have seen some Esees in a local gun shop but the selection is thin and they are overpriced.

I want a Spyderco so I can show people how dank the giant hole in the blade is.

>>893179
Shit lots of money for a knife.

>>893626
You wont find anything priced right in store. Keep an eye on craigslist, then at least you can go play with it first. You gotta check daily though cuz assholes like me are out here trying to steal the deal.

>>891846

This is wrong. Steel is not a matter of "cheap" vs "premiun"

Every cutlery steel is just one set of properties: strength, toughness, wear resistance, apex stability, stain resistance, ease of heat treating.

1084 and 1095 carbon steel are cheap to buy in sheets, yet with a good heat treatment protocol 1095 can be made to have outstanding performance in terms of strength and apex stability.

Conversely, an expensive steel like s110v can be made to perform like complete shit if the heat treat is shit.

In addition, the properties that primarily determine edge retention are very different for push cuts and for slicing cuts. In push cutting it is mainly apex stability that determines edge retention, while in slicing work it is mainly wear resistance.

All of that said, from everything I've heard Buck's 420HC is complete garbage.

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>>891852

Yes. A Mora Companion reground to FFG.

>>892062

How about some physics for you? A Scandi ground edge will always require more force to complete any cut deeper than a few millimeters simply because a Scandi grind is necessarily thicker behind the edge than an FFG grind, assuming the same spine thickness.

In addition, it takes much more factory labor to grind in an FFG grind and distal taper than it does to grind on a full length Scandi grind.

>>893965
>full flat grind grind

Kys

>>893966

(You)

>>893968
Faggit.

>>892538
>>892539
Norwegian here, the cheap Moras are made as beaters kept in a big blue toolbox or in a carpenters toolbelt... not for knife enthusiasts, that's an american trend

>>893972
We know, moras are a meme here. Its because most of the country is below the poverty line, especially the neets around here

>>893962

I hear what you're saying. Not all steel that is cheap is bad knife steel. And I would agree with that.

However when it comes to stainless most of the less desirable steels are also cheaper than the more desirable steels.

>>893965
That's some awesome textbook knowledge. Lets take it a step further.

What's the difference in required force, all other considerations being equal, to make the same cut with FFGWDT and Scandi.

You see, I think the quantitative difference is practically insignificant, but I'm not a physicist. If you are, I'd love to see the math.

Also, Morakniv just feeds blanks into a computer controlled grinding machine. That's not labour, it's machine time. It does not significantly increase production cost.

>>893972
I know. But as you can see trying to tell them that is like trying to tell your mullet wearing uncle that racing strips don't make his car go faster. It's like they've got force fields around their brain.

>>894008
>less desirable
>more desirable

The reality is that its usually the quality of the heat treatment that gets blamed on the steels themselves. I have a custom fixed blade in 440C that performs nothing like what people think of 440C being like because the HT is totally different.

>difference in required force

Okay fuck fine, I'll buy a scale that records peak readings and add this to the list of YouTube videos I need to make. Lucky I have a Mora Companion in Scandi and one in FFG to compare.

>>894055

Fair enough, but that same knife made with cpm s35vn is going to blow the 440c away.

All other things being equal, ss gets more expensive the better gets IN GENERAL.

>>893964

forget it, man. According to this >>892062 expert, having a thinner blade doesn't improve cutting performance one bit. All hail his internet wisdom!

>>894059
>Fair enough, but that same knife made with cpm s35vn is going to blow the 440c away.

No, you are still under the false, marketing driven impression that wear resistance is the only trait that matters in a knife steel.

Assuming equal quality of HT, s35vn will only be better for slicing soft abrasive materials with a coarse apex finish. 440C at high hardness with a grain size minimization HT will be better at push cutting (food prep, whittling, zip ties), better at holding a highly polished edge, and better for being able to be touched up back to nearly initial sharpness.

Neither is better, one is just better suited for certain applications than the other.

>>894163

Well, you're in the minority with those beliefs. All the knifemakers I know consider 440c inferior to pretty much all the other high end stainless steels. It's considered the worst of the best, so to speak.

I don't know how well your ideas translate into real world results.

>>894246

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/793481-Ranking-of-Steels-in-Categories-based-on-Edge-Retention-cutting-5-8-quot-rope

440C doesn't do so well.

>>894246
>>894249

Ankerson is very specifically and narrowly testing edge retention precisely by slicing soft abrassive materials using a coarse apex finish, which essentially amounts to testing wear resistance.

By way of example, why aren't high end kitchen knives or chisels made of highly wear resistant steels?

>>894282

Well, I posted something beyond my personal belief.

And I'm familiar enough with the custom market to say "high end" kitchen knives come in everything from 1084 to s90v.


Here's an article talking about D2 Chisels. They're very good, but hard to sharpen. "Some sharpening systems don’t seem to really be able to sharpen it much, even with a lot of rubbing." ... "Once the Ray Iles chisels are sharpened, you’re good to go for a long, long time , as long as you keep them off the driveway. So, on balance, I think the D2 is worth the extra effort."

So while not a typical option, the reasons for low market presence may be more to do with difficulty of sharpening than suitability.

http://www.popularwoodworking.com/article/endurance-test-ray-iles-mortising-chisels

If you want to show me an example of 440c out performing other steels, I'd love to see it. 440c really does have a cult fan club. I also personally know more than one full time knife maker that won't bother with it at all.

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Picked this bad boy up for $25 at Menards. My EDC knife. Love it.

>>894438
http://www.catra.org/pages/products/kniveslevel1/st.htm


http://www.cliffstamp.com/knives/reviews/CATRA.html

Not that Anon.
440C is not only produced in one place.
If you get your hands on some Böhler N695=X105CrMo17=440C, you're in for a lot of fun.
Too bad the Chinese ruined it's reputation.

>>894448

What do you make of Cliff's comment in the adjoining thread?

>A few points to note :

>-CATRA is very sensitive to blade geometry because it is method which combines cutting ability and sharpness into one measurement. This means that you can easily make for example 420J2 out perform S115V on a CATRA simply by grinding the 420J2 thinner at the edge. Because CATRA is a machine cut there is little lateral loading so the edges can be extremely thin and not collapse.

>-As the knives from different sources are not identical in shape they can not be compared directly, they just have to be loaded into the data pool and at best can be used for rough relative qualitative comparisons.

>-Basically CATRA is a heavy wear test so the knives will simply end up being ranked in carbide volume, and the knives with a high MC carbide volume in particular (high Vanadium / Tungsten grades) will tend to dominate

I don't know what to make of this data.

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Is Buck Bantam any good?

>>894527
handled one for a day, sharpened it for a friend

steel is very soft and junky imho ( though it took a nice edge ) dont thini it would hold an edge for very long
i personally am not a fan of back locks so thats up y to you

im also very opposed to pin together construction since im a fan of knives hyou can maintain yourself

>>894527
>>894532
also worth noting it wasnt bad in hand and the blade shape isnt terrible

>>880880
He never said it was Chinese, he was advising AGAINST chinashit. Goddamn anon

>>881674
My presidio looks like shit and is missing about 1/3 of it's finish, cause it's not a shovel after all. That being said, I'm never buying a knife in that price range again because rapidly diminishing returns

>>881745
That would be an OK argument IF warranties didn't exist

>>894438

The knife in 440C I own is a handmade knife from Joe Calton who made a series of videos about developing his HT for the steel.

What is germaine is that he developed a HT protocol for 440C that gets it to behave much more like a high hardness, small grain size carbon steel (or AEB-L) than it normally does because no one but a custom maker is running 440C up to ~62hrc.

On the broader principle of apex stability and its influence on edge retention in push cutting work, unfortunately the best work out there is in German. A PhD metallurgist named Roman Landes has don't fairly extensive published research on apex stability (which is basically the ability of a steel to resist microscopic chipping or rolling at the apex).

The kinds of steels that excel at this are very low carbide volume steels run high hardness with the smallest possible grain size.

This is why most high end kitchen knives are made out of carbon steels at high hardness, as they have good apex.stability and thus resist blunting by the cutting board very well, and are generally pretty easy to touch up.

>>894524

Cliff is probably the single most hated man in the online knife world because he is a PhD physicist with zero inclination to tolerate the constant stream of complete unsupported self aggrandizing BULLSHIT sprouted by many people online about knives and sharpening.

He gets treated exactly the way you would expect audiophiles to treat someone who consistently pointed out that most of the shit they were talking about was complete snake oil with zero empirical support.

With the stuff you quoted, keep in mind that Cliff argues quite forcefully that wear resistance is massively overrated as a steel property and that apex stability and ease of sharpening are massively underrated as steel properties.

The way CATRA testing is done, or the way people like Ankerson test edge retention seriously bias the results in favor of highly wear resistant steels, and against other factors that play a significant roll in edge retention.

>>894585
>>894596

That's pretty interesting.

>>894596

Why did he stop making youtube videos?

>>894443
I absolutely love the look of this thing but the reports of an easily breakable tip stopped me from getting one.

>>894600

To expand a little on the subject:

None of this is to say that there isn't a set of circumstances under which ultra-high wear resistance steels excel. Rather, the point is to point out that there are specific circumstaces under which such steels excel, and other circumstances where they are not ideal or even sensible choices. This is in contrast to those who uncritically worship at the altar of wear resistance and who tend to pretend as if s110v is a better choice for any application whatsoever than 1095 or its Japanese equivalent (Shirogami #1) would be.

IF your use case is predominantly for slicing clean abrasive materials (cardboard, rope, carpet) and you prefer to wait until the blade is very dull and then fully resharpen it, with no desire to touch up the blade beteen full sharpenings, and use close to production stock sharpening angles (e.g. ~15-20 degrees per side) then ultra-high carbide steels like s110v, m390, and soon Maxamet, make sense.

Notice I say clean materials. I say this because dirty materials tend to dull an apex mainly by impacts with particles of dirt that are harder than steel (e.g. sand) and not by abrasive wear. In that case apex stability will play the dominant roll in edge retention rather than wear resistance.

The problem is (and this is why people still argue strenuously about this stuff) is that wear resistance and apex stability are mostly inversely related. This is because the vary same carbides that increase wear resistance decrease apex stability, and their absence is good for apex stability but bad for wear resistance.

>>894600

Continuing from >>895016

On the other hand, if you prefer to touch-up occasionally as you work (as many people do who are comfortable with sharpening and keep a pocket stone or equivalent with them), then ease of sharpening becomes more important than wear resistance since you can touch up a coarse (~320 grit) edge back to nearly initial sharpness in less than 20 seconds on a DMT coarse or Norton India Fine.

In an /out/ type application, there is also the consideration of strongly preferring steels which are highly resistant to gross failure (large chips, blade fractures, etc.) since any knife used /out/ may end up becoming a survival knife. In this respect, it is already well known that steels like A2, S7, 1084, 1075, 52100, AEB-L, 3V and Cruwear are vastly superior to high carbide volume stainless steels like s110v. Ease of field sharpening should also be considered for this type of application.

Finally, for my own EDC uses, I usually run microbevels with ~4000 grit apex finishes and touch up my knives daily to try and keep them at or near their initial sharpness for an extended period of time. In this type of use, its very important to me that there is a minimal amount of microscopic apex rolling or microscopic apex chipping because either of those factors make can easily make it impossible to touch up the apex effectively. It also means that I never really get to experience the wear resistance anyway, so its largely wasted on me.

>>895016
>>895018

Really good info. Where would 01 fall on your list?

>>895033

I'm guessing around the steels he's listed. There are just too many types of steel to list in one post (well, you can, but by then people either get the point, or are irreversibly stupid).

There are also steels like 1.2235 (if i remember the name correctly), 80crV2, and many others.

>>895062

I'm asking because it's a very popular bushcraft knife steel. The ray mears knife, which was kind of the model that many bushcraft knives were based on, is made from 01. Not that I'm pimping that knife. At 395 pounds sterling I think you have to have traumatic brain damage to buy one. It's just the product a lot of knives are compared to and try to emulate.

1.2235 and 80crv2 aren't nearly as common as 01, especially in the custom market.

>>895081

Sorry, I meant the woodlore knife. And holy shit, ray mears wants 495 pounds for that one!

>>895083

And the "pro" version is 550 pounds!

How much of a circle jerking meme-tier faggot would you have to be to spent so much on such simple knives???

>>895033

O1 falls within the low carbide volume end of the spectrum, fitting in with 1084, 1095, 52100, Aogami, Shirogami, AEB-L, A2, W1, and other low carbide volume steels.

Basically, virtually all other types of carbides are way bigger than the carbide a iron forums with carbon (cementite), so they virtually always subtract from apex stability because a finger grain structure can retain it's resistance to rolling or chipping in thinner sections, and this in a finer apex.

>>895086

I figured it was but didn't know for sure.

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>>895083
>>895085

yeah, the woodlore is expensive. It is also copied a lot (the design i mean).

AFAIK, the easiest to get is Helle Temagami (designed by Les Stroud as a collab with Helle).
There's also the Skookum Bush tool (around $200) based on Mors' designs.

And more recently, there's a trend to market knives from different people. I know LT Wright makes a few, like the Gary Wines Bushcraft, Native Survival Knife (guy was on Alone, knife looks like a very fancy Mora), there's the Lagom Bushknife (another collab, I know Mors uses one), and, of course, pic related, which is as far from being a cheap knife as you can imagine, with the fancy versions pushing 300 dollars (really amazing knife though).

>>895325

The woodlore and the mears and the pic you posted are all very simple knives. No bolsters, no guards, no hand rubbed mirror finishes, no scrimshaw, no engraving, no domed pins, no mastadon ivory, no expensive powdered steel. Those knives are simple.

Even if those knives were hand crafted, and I don't think they are, they're not worth what these guys are asking.

>>895352

the cost of materials is never more than a fraction of the cost of a knife.
When you buy a knife with exotic materials, you are not paying for those materials, as much as for the fact that there are few knives made with those exotic materials.

>>895362

I've been looking at some of those knives and some of them are ok price wise.

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What kind of a sharpening style is this? I know Victorinox uses shitty steel for their SAKs but after getting it sharpened it does look weird

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>>895496
Not at all like my Ganzo

>>895325
>He bought the prepared mind 101 knife

Perfect tool for your backyard. kek

>>895496

kinda looks convex, might just be the lighting

>>895683
>being this ignorant

No - it's a great knife. For one, it has the single most comfortable handle I have ever used on a knife, and I've used quite a few. You can't argue with that.

Second, it slices really well, which is to be expected from a blade that is all belly. But more importantly, the angle between the blade and the handle means you get a more natural wrist position when cutting, than with a straight blade.

Yeah - I probably paid an extra 50 bucks for the pm101 logo (a genesis would have cost me around $170), but that's life.

Basically, there are two kinds of people when it comes to the jx2 - those who know it's a great knife, and those who have never used it.

>>895957
Cognitive dissonance safety measures activated.
>Most comfortable handle on a knife I have ever used
>Used quite a few
>You can't argue with that

Yes I can, because your argument is subjective and thereby invalid.

It is fun how defensive you get about this blade in every thread.

My united cutlery bushmaster costs less than 1/4 of your backpack jewelry.
It has a longer blade
it has a finger guard
it has a saw
bowie
you can calculate angles with the markings on the blade
and on top of that, it has a whole survival kit stored in it's handle.

It is an old and proven design, not like the GO BIG OR GO HOME version of a skinning knife designed by a professional backyard unboxer.
I would even prefer a memora over this overweight penis prothesis anytime.

>>895957
i know exactly who you are (on this board), and judging by how often you are here tromping on about pop knives, im forced to agree that you arent getting much use out of them

>>895993
and you, 40 dollars for a dollar store knife, you got fucking conned. literally stop by your local 99 cent only store and buy a knife of the same quality

>>895993
>I would even prefer a memora over this

salty ragemode activated.

>longer blade
that would mean more than 4.5'' blade, that's bad
>finger guard
even worse
>saw
gimmicky meme
>whole survival kit in the handle
what, 3 matches and 2 fishing hooks is a "complete survival kit?


made me chuckle quite a bit.

>>895997
>Quality
Do you know what kind of blades were used by the pioneers? People who really used their tools every day?
Shit knives were quite common, but they did the job.
>huurrrrr I still want to shave my arm after chopping down a tree with my 5 inch steroid skinning knife made of tungsten vanadium spermatit steel.
I just laugh at you knife fetishists, spending all your money on all these overpriced man toys.

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>>895999
>You knife pleb don't even know what a real knife should be capable of.
>Open your ears and listen, because I watched tons of shills on youtube talking about how functional my knife is
>My expertise is unmatched on many forums, they call me the blade fondler.
>My blade wanders around in my hand and gets closely inspected every day
>A new mirror polished edge is a must after every new amazon package I opened with my sharpened prybar.
>Git gud knife pleb, because your knife can't whittle a stick as fine as mine

Kek

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>>896002
>not just swapping out blades when they get dull
Git gud

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>>896002

it would be more effective if you used this picture.

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>>896009
Damn boi

>>896000
they didnt use stainless steel, the steel china must use to ship them over water. they used carbon steel, steel itself meaning iron and carbon. the pioneers did not use that chromium junk thats only good for spreading butter and prying things slightly too tough for your nails

>>896000
also again, you spent 40 dollars on a 1 dollar knife. i would many time quicker side with the pm101 fanboy scumbag than agree with that waste of money. you wasted your money with more frivolity than he did

>>895993

Not him, and don't even own that knife, but you are a complete moron.

Saying the handle is comfortable isn't a purely subjective argument, since you can very well look at the picture and see that it is very well rounded and doesn't have any features that would limit which grips you can use.

Those are both desirable qualities in a knife that is likely to get used for a variety of tasks where different grips are useful.

It also has a Scandi grind, and the consensus is very well known that Scandi grinds are better for woodworking tasts.

That curved blades slice better than straight ones is also a demon durable fact.

The knife appears to be one of the few expensive fixed blades designed to be an excellent tool, and not to sell to people who don't actually use their knives based on how it looks.

Since I like knives designed to PERFORM rather than collect, I feel compelled to defend it.

>some bushcraft nut is shilling a retardo meme knife that is 100+ dollars away from the Quality Zone and deep into Sucker Territory
>in a thread with the title 'cheap knives general'
>with an OP asking about go-to chinese products

at least the discussion about steel was informative

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>>896021

we got sidetracked with the woodlore, and "name brand" knives.

>>896017
hey, some people prefer to shitpost and get hung up on the fact that the knife carries a logo of a youtube personality (that is reflected in the price tag) using the kind of "nigger is wrong, because he's a nigger" mentality, rather than actually consider the merits of the knife.

I know full well that it always draws fire from people, but it's also an easy way to flush out people who have no idea what they are talking about, and just jump on the first chance they get to stroke their ego by talking shit on the internet.

As for pioneers, and cheap knives, here's one (pic related).

Based on 18th century trade knives, 1/16'' thick, 1095 steel ~25 dollars without a sheath.

Trade knives were brought from europe (particularly England and France) and sold to frontiersmen, trappers, hunters, etc. back when there was little in the way of industry on the american continent. Those knives were imported as blanks, and handles were added later (for ease of transport).
This one has quite a bit od fecoration in the form of a "spanish notch" (the purpose of which is still undetermined) - could use a bit more handle, but it's essentially a patch knife, and very light, so no biggie.
So yes - pioneers used crappy knives, because that's all that was available.

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>>880839

Didn't read the whole thread. My sub-$100 folder preference is spyderco delica. I like their discontinued clipit model a little more with the pointy nose and single side grind and light weight, but the new one is fine and better in other ways.
I like the size too for pockets.

Pic is just a comparison of models, ignore the serrations if they are making you asshurt.

Nice, that 40 $ survival knife troll completely derailed the thread.
Congrats for taking the bait you spergs. Ignore such obvious trolls or go to reddit please.

OP should take a look at real Steel knives. Really well made for little dosh.

anyone in the UK know where to get mora knives online?

>>896114

https://eur.heinnie.com/

or lamnia.com, but their prices are pretty steep for what you should be paying.

>>880839
>folder
Ganzo G720

>fixed
Glock Field-Knife

>>896006
I have to sharpen my cheap knives once a week maybe takes but a few minutes per knife

My more expensive knives with better steels will last 2-7 weeks depending on usage etc

I think I'm going to buy another knife with ridiculous steel on it (very prone to rust but very hard)
And I won't have to sharpen it for months and months unless I really abuse it

>>880896
any of my condor boys know the width of the pins they use? I'm buying a Condor Kephart blade only to make a handle and sheath. cheers

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>>896678
>myyyyyyyyyy maaaaaaaaaan

I believe they are all 3/16

>kephart master race
>dat scandi grind though

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>>896717
>wasssaaaiiiiiiiii
is the kephart really a full grind? didn't think it was real desu. Dang it tho the shop im buying from only does 4 or 6.3mm, could maybe file down the 6.3mm?

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>>896725
it is not, not that I'd want it to be

>my bushlore got scary sharp on just a arkansas stone
>used it to shave down some leather

I much prefer the kephart over the other two, the blade size and shape just feel right

>>890345

And your argument is?

I'm using a Glock 78 for 9 years now and it has served me very well. Its extremely durable and is suitable for many situations including harsh treatment of the blade. As long as you keep it dry it will last you very long and only needs to be sharpend once in a while.

>>896772
prolly bc he likes m1911s

>>896767
mm that made up my mind to buy a kephart then. do you think you could just measure the width of the pins real quick please?

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>>896802
I didn't use pins, I bought a blank like you're going to, and I used chicago screws...that way I can always change the handles without completely screwing it up

>>896950
hmm I suppose if the scales are wide enough, you get them nice and flush. Did you buy or make your handles and sheath? cheers for the photo

>>897142
everything else I made

my kephart handles were from a maple log, left over from a tree that had to be cut down....it was split into smaller chunks when it was green, then sat and dried for about a year and a half

the other two were mahogany I bought as a small finished strip

over this summer I ripped some pieces off with a table saw (chainsaw, bandsaw, and hand saw were nowhere near as good) to an approximate thickness of a little under 1/4", used a router to trim and shape them, following the blank, countersunk for the screws, sanded, and finished with tru oil or danish oil/beeswax

(the handles in the pics were all danish oil, the one set I did with tru-oil stupidly did not match up with the hole correctly so I would have had to grind down the blank to make them fit....personally I liked the softer feel of the danish oil and wax, but the tru-oil did come out pretty nice with several coats)

if you are going to order blanks, there's an infinite amount of materials out there, plenty of exotic woods (which a lot of people go crazy with)....I've been looking into stabilizing with resin (a wood like mahogany would probably benefit from that) and turns out you can "solidify" just about anything and shape it into usable scales.....but for basic wood choice, hickory or walnut would probably be best

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>>897150
>continued

as far as the sheathes go, I was trying to copy the basic design of a kabar sheath, with the back being turned inward to form the belt loop, then riveted and stitched in between the front and back layers....in retrospect, I probably would have been fine with just the sewing

since the woodlaw doesn't have anything for a safety strap to grab onto, I cut out the basic shape and after sewing, wet formed it to the handle shape, then let it dry....the belt loop was just a scrap piece sewed to the back....the hold is actually really nice, I can shake it upside down and it stays in....I probably could have shaved down the edge, but I didn't know how the shape was going to change after forming so I left it alone

if I make more in the future, I'll definitely make them that way

I just wanted simple sheathes so I didn't try to do any decoration or anything, but that's up to you

I didn't really have/need any specialty tools to make them: razor blade, a fork to lay out the spacing, a drill with a small bit for the holes, waxed thread, and a set of needles meant for carpet/thick materials....I didn't use any special method for sewing either, just in and out one direction, then went all the way back in the opposite direction, always making sure the stiches were tight

I did use some eco-flo dye to stain the leather, which worked fine for the brown, but the black didn't want to cooperate nearly as well...I buffed them out as well as I could, and am testing out a paste wax of mineral oil and beeswav to see how it does....I didn't have any finishing oil

>>897152
also, some very good info on sheathes

http://beebeknives.com/html/make_a_sheath_tutorial.html

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Guys shoud I get a svord peasant or an opinel?

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2 week review of Ganzo 753
Pros:
>no blade play
>shitty paint doesnt come off
>opens and closes w/o problem
>really, 17$?
Cons:
>gets dull after two weeks of everyday use, probably not 440c steel
>dust gets on the g10 handles easily, the grooves make it hell to clean

All in all, im happy.

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>>897150
>>897152
>>897153
Good God, very much how I see an /out/ approved knife you made there. They look great, I was just going to make a wooden sheath by lashing two halves i've carved out together but your way seems alot more professional. I only have soft sofa leather to hand so i'll probably just layer it. The handle screws look so much better than i had imagined, great job on them. As for wood, I'm planning on just pebbling out and using birch I have dried already bc its so easy to work with a crook knife.
>>897269
I have both and have to say opinel, only Sheffield steel keeps an edge longer than French.. although I may be a little bias >>897661
cheeky cop, what steel do you think it is?

>>897774
what steel do you think it is?
Some shitty chink steel, maybe close to 440b or c.

>>880839

Pretty much look at any Condor. Cheap AF, pretty damn decent quality. The leather sheath quality is top notch.

>>897774
for having never done any leather work before, and the first time making handles, I thought they came out pretty well

I recently got some thermoplastic pellets and thought about possibly using some of those to form some other scales....the only issue with that is that I'd probably have to make molds for them

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>>891593
>>891265
>>891743
>>891746
I've got a buck quickfire I think it is, got it as a gift, didn't really use it a whole lot because lolknifesnob, but I started to use it for work and it's pretty good as something you won't be afraid of damaging. Yea the steel has bad retention, but let's not act like it's hard to put a decent edge on it at the end of the day. Do it while your spouse makes your dinner. To add, it doesn't make that firm snap sound anymore when it opens, so occasionally I test to make sure it's locked. Pic related.

>>898029
sorry, i forgot im not on /k/.
to add, before i really used it much, i had to glue a crack that developed where my middle finger is, and part of the top by the stud chipped as well.

>>892006
hotspots for hard use on a sexy knife.. hmm

>>894002
>>893972
Mora knives really don't have an American equivalent. The way they're manufactured makes them pretty unique in the US.

If you know of any American knife-makers that injection-mold their handles onto the tangs of their Pukko-style knives, please let us know.

>>899683
>injection-mold their handles onto the tangs
it's like the handle is ya mum and the tang is muh dick

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how has no one mentioned this yet? $9 on amazon and it's 1095 steel.

Saw a lot of packages at walmart tonight (Thanksgiving) for $20, all bundles, two knives or knife and multitool. And all were decent brands, Kershaw, SOG, CRKT, Gerber

>>899871
pics? ads?

>>899872
no sorry, Kershaw had two knives of different sizes, looked kinda like Cryos, larger one partially serrated. Gerber had a folding saw, didnt look at the knife. SOG had a very small knife I think with a multitool. Can't remember what CRKT had. All marked 19.99

>>899877
were they part of the BF sales or was it just a regular thing?

>>899884
I haven't seen them before, but all the Black Friday stuff still had signs on them saying they couldn't be bought yet, the knives did not. The Kershaw was actually all the way in the front of the store, the others were closer to the camp section.

>>899886
hmmmmm

I couldn't find anything in particular about it, will have to look the next time

maybe it's a christmas special...

>>889758
Exactly what features does it has besides a blade and a handle ?

>>880839
not Chinese but the CRKT Drifter is my cheapo knife of choice. love them.

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My chink order arrived yesterday. Spot the fake(s). Izulas are pretty rough around the edges. The Esee-3 is really tidy though.

Now I can put them all in my box of knives that I'll never use and continue carrying my trusty SAK.

>>900052
>Esee-3 is really tidy though.
also a fake? froooom?

>dat prodigy
>decent but I wish the one I got was full fine edge

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>ctrl+f
>no douk douk
-Cheap
-Reliable
http://www.sabatier-shop.com/2851-douk-douk-carbon---cognet-douk-douk-200-black-carbon---black-steel-handle.html

>>900214
Aliexpress.

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>>900230
hmm, $30 probably isn't bad by comparison, but I've had my eye on one of these

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>>900215

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>>899888
Went back today, here you go

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>>900249

>>900249
that's great, thanks

that CRKT looks pretty nice

>>900258
pretty sure its a version of this guys favorite>>900042

Saw some nice looking Gerber knives at Dicks today, I keep wanting to get a nice knife but really I have 2 moras that work fine and some cheapo folder I was gifted, I've never needed anything else even while deep /out/.

Oh well, one day I'll get something 100+ just to enjoy myself

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Victorinox Swiss Army Day Packer Utility Knife

You can find them on Amazon for 13 bucks sometimes. The grip is very....grippy....it's like a rubber almost.

Stainless steel, has a chisel grind. Great little EDC knife, perfect grip length. I bought it to do hardness tests on minerals and beat it up, (geology major) but I'm finding that it is a great little EDC.

>>900235
How ?