Skin-on-Frame Kayaks and Canoes: field expedient edition

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OP here. I'll just post a few shitty example pics and vids in the meantime.

This vid is in Russian, but it's a pretty good looking boat and you can get the jist of it just from watching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wgZkWiH4DY

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Here's a plastic wrap kayak.

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Ever heard of anyone turning a waterproof boatcover into a boat?

I imagine if they're made to take some gravel and other highway shit as well as branches and twigs from parking and from shit falling from overhanging trees, you should be able to make a boat out one, right?

>>867708

No never but ive had some thoughts about using it to keep your boat clean in the water for easy cleaning..

>>867738
heh.

Ever try Gel Gloss?

>>867692
I've made SOF before but not with tarp, well I made a test skin with tarp once but never put it in the water.

Polytarp is tricky stuff to join, never found a glue that worked, had to either tape or stitch it, and if you stitch it it isn't much use as a tarp anymore. It'd also be wrinkly and therefore a bit slow. Should work for a short trip like that but be ready to tape pinhole leaks.

I think you're severely underestimating the difficulty in crafting the frame and its subsequent viability as a canoe.

IMO your best bet would be something like a simplified canoe and an outrigger to keep you from tipping,

or,

I don't know what they're called, it's like a round basket boat thing? You make it by weaving the basket shape with the poles buried into the ground, you tie it all off to keep the tension and then cut the branches from the ground.

You'd need a rudder to actually go anywhere but it
'd be much quicker to construct. Could probably still setup an outrigger, too.

Alternatively, don't be pussies and just portage an actual canoe? A canoe is what, 25kg-30kg? One of you carry (or pull with a trolley) the canoe, the other takes the gear. Swap when you get stiff.

But if you have a few days to make a legit frame, and actually know how, then sure sounds good.

Also, they're VERY thin skinned. Think blow up canoes x100. Even a sandbar can be abrasive enough to rip it up.

>>867797
Thanks.

>>867815
>I think you're severely underestimating the difficulty in crafting the frame and its subsequent viability as a canoe.

Nah. I'm aware.

>outrigger

That's more shit to carry and craft in the field.

>round basket boat thing

Not with a pack. Those are super unstable -- unstable if it's just you and a paddle/stick, unusable if you have a pack to haul, too.

>portage an actual canoe

We're not going to portage a fucking canoe 20-30 miles.

>thin skinned

That's one of the problems I'm looking into. There are commercial fabric canoes and kayaks out there already. If I had to make it out of just plastic sheeting, I'd go with the thickest stuff I can find (6 mil), which is twice as thick as a contractor bag. If I can do it better with something like waterproofed 10oz. polyester, super duty 18oz vinyl-coated polyester, or 15-18oz canvas, then that would be preferable.

I can deal with pinhole leaks when we wouldn't be in the boat for more than 20 minutes at a time, hopping from island to island.

Do yourself a favor and google "packraft".

Supai Flatwater in mine. Though the NRS are nice.

>>867844
>packraft
I don't see anything about how small they pack...

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>>867847
I have to ask, are you stoopid?

>>867815
>I think you're severely underestimating the difficulty in crafting the frame and its subsequent viability as a canoe
SOF is the easiest way to build a boat, even I can do it. It won't be high performance but it won't be too hard to make something that floats. It sounds like OP will be mostly floating downstream. I would make a test boat first though just to make sure I had a decent design and secured the tarp properly.

>I don't know what they're called
Coracles.

>>867825
>If I can do it better with something like waterproofed 10oz. polyester, super duty 18oz vinyl-coated polyester, or 15-18oz canvas, then that would be preferable.
I used canvas waterproofed with diluted silicone sealant for mine: >>864706

>>867698
Wow, that guy has amazing videos.

>>867974
Yes he does. Even though they're all in Russian, there were still several things I picked up from watching them. He's def a Russian bushcrafter, with a whole different toolbox of techniques than those we see recycled amongst English-speaking bushcrafters.

>>867960
looks good