/out/post general

oh also there's a poll of which site to get

http://www.strawpoll.me/11280942 (embed)

i was going to try and crowd source the money to buy the land, but i want to know which Property i should focus on, this is basicly a Charity type thing becuase its not for my soul use and becuase its "private property" ill be giving anyone who goes there the right to build a cabin on the property after we buy it/ raise the money to buy it also if we get to 10k ill sacrifice my anonymity and show that you can trust me not to be a faggot and Run off with the dosh, i really want one of these properties and i really want to share the bounty of actually owning land with you guys since you all really cool

>>862008
Britanon from the old thread here, If I may throw in my two cents, I feel that we should figure out a solid, written framework of rights and responsibilities before we start taking money - if folks don't trust that we'll see this through, they won't cough up, and equally I think it may be appropriate to allocate some land to more permanent residents, who have paid for it, and more omni-sc/out/ land elsewhere. I think it would be a great shame if someone where to take advantage of kindness and altruism, so we should have safeguards to prevent that.
Hate to be a downer, but I just really want this to go well for all /out/kind.

>>862015
i agree the Britanon, we need some kind of "sc/out/ charter laying out rules and safeguards, so we can use this thread for that something that when an anon comes onto one of the sites to say, they read and sign a contract or something so i guess we need to come up with the safeguards for this property like you said, any ideas?

>>862001
How big is said cabin?

>>862015
after thinking about it for a bit i think i come up with a really basic framework setting up a two tied systems

tier one is Permanent Resident here on referred to as T1
Tier two is temporary Visitors here on referred to as T2

the Responsibilities of T1's is as follows
Establish and maintain the site at all time, including the following

1 ensure that the site is kept clean of all trash and waste
2 ensure that all Greenhouses are kept in order
3 ensure that all trails and paths are kept clear
4 ensure that all Structures are maintained and cared for
5 ensure that the forest is kept in good condition
6 maintain the aesthetic of the area and Ensure that all visitors follow the rules of the site
7 if ia t1/t2 asks for assistance you are to provide it to the best of your ability
8 ensure that anyone who comes to the site is prepared for the area, and is comfortable with navigational equipment as well as provide Helpful information

The Responsibility of the Visitors are as follows
1 follow standard Outdoors mean mandates (we should all know what those are ie leave nothing behind ect)
2 If a T1 asks for assistance you are to provide it to the best of your ability
3 if a fellow T2 asks for your assistance you are to provide it to the best of your ability
4 stay at "base camp" for at least a day so that you can be educated on the area for the best possible visit
5. follow state rules on fishing and hunting
6. DON'T BE A DICK 9this goes for everyone
7. No outside alcohol
8. be smart if you see something that looks out of place, do not investigate, inform a T1 and assist as necessary unless it is someone in Urgent need

>>862037
cabin(s) and that will depend on this thread, maybe we have a large single Dorm type Structure maybe we have many small cabins

>>862039
that's not what he meant, he meant legal framework
>anon pays 500€
>everything goes to shit
>anon now lost 500€ and has nothing to hold againt some guy on the internet

>>862044
oh i see

hmmm well what could we do to cortell that i know that as the guy trying to organize this i'm responsible enough not to be a dick because i REALLY want this to go well, what sort of thing can we do to makes sure its all good, i want to do right by you guys and provide the best possible experience im not really sure what the best framework would be, anyi deas?

>>862044
i as the guy organizing this would be willing to take on the majority of the risk but really this is more of a charity then anything, im not really sure what we can do to increase trust sorry anons, what would you guys like me to do? (i Personally want this bad enough that i might get a bank loan just to get one of the properties but im also open to the idea of crowd funding most of the cost )

>>862039
>>862044
I meant both, and that's a very good start OP, but as the other anon said we do need a legal framework so everyone knows they aren't gong to get scammed. Some sort of crowd-funding website would be a good start, but laying out the legal ramifications would be a good start for those here (myself included) who know little to nothing about american property law.
>cabin(s) and that will depend on this thread, maybe we have a large single Dorm type Structure maybe we have many small cabins
I think that for the first overwinter we should have a single large bunkhouse, for thermal efficiency and such, and later we can expand into a comp/out/nd of many cabins, then several camps or entirely seperate ones. I suppose it'll depend on how "roomy" the site feels.

>>862160
Me again.
'Nother land suggestion.
http://www.landinalaska.com/DETAILS.ASPX?FILE=P094
Several adjoining parcels at a similar price/acre, could be useful as we can expand based on how much money we can pull together, or settle on something modest in the short term.
The caveat is that it's not as remote, but has trail access. It also has no waterfront.

>>862173
There is no pull money together.

If I drop 5k on a chunk of the property in a joint venture I OWN that % of property(my rules) and are liable for taxes on the total land.

So unless you have all the money or really trust 1 to 2 people( to cosign on loans and you trust won't fuck you over) this is the stage where this always falls apart.

Shared liability and property taxes are a bitch.

who here remembers that Maine /out/ homestead bullshit that never took off.

>>862182
Yeah, that was fucking great to follow

>>862180
So what about the guy who just throws in $50, a hundred, two?
I think there should be some way to incorporate both. People who outright want to buy a chunk of the land, and a larger pool of anons contributing less that goes towards things like taxes, equipment, shared costs, that sort of thing.
I don't know about this Maine homestead, can somebody give me a rundown?

>>862187
Some dudes wanted to build a commune
Some dude found land in Maine
They talked about it for like a week
There were some arguments
Nothing happened

Pretty much how all these threads go.

>>862039
>be T1 masterrace
>see T2 Fuckboiii
>Remember number 2 for T2's mate?
>y... yees..
>now eat all dis eggs

>>862189
They talked about it for months dude. They even made a forum with hundreds of threads... Feel bad that it didnt work out but this shit never do unless one guy get the money.

Personally I wish i could do this but im to tied up in Europe to go chase a dream with some fellow idiots in the alaska wilderness

op here looking though the thread has given me a few ideas,

1.i as the land owner offer "leases" for the land for a set amount of time (100 years) with no penalty for breaking or transferring the lease to someone else and although you don't own the land your just renting it i give you the right to build and do what you like one that land as long as it follows certain rules


2. is there not a legal president for "communities" (those hippies in the 70 used to live on them some are still going)

3. i start a Crowdsourcing campaign, buy one of the properties and then Grant people who payed a large amount the right live permanently on the land

basically it comes down to i know im not a dick, i know that if i were to own the land id let the good people of /out/ onto it and build what they like as long as it kept the aesthetic of the area

so im just really trying to Get charity to get the land before i just go get a loan, that's how badly i want this ill try the crowd sourcing thing in about a weeks after i know what property /out/ would like the most and after 1 mouth of fundraising ill see what is left over its over 30% of the money for the property is raised then ill get a loan for the remaining about, the Proplem with these threads is
1. no plan
2. no real desire
3. no back up plan
4. all you do is talk and no action

so here's the plan in a TL:DR
> one week from now if there's still interest im going to start a crowdsourced fundraiser,
> if i get to 30 to 40% of the goal then im just going to get a loan for the remaining amount after it end, and buy it,
>after that ill wait for the winter to end then head up there with a small group of people meeting in a "nearby" town

if i don't at least get 30~40% then im not going to get the loan, and well just let it end there just like every other time this has been tried , (if we get to 15% ill drop my anonymity so you can do "background" checks to see that im not a dick

you have one week,(till the 29th)

>>862307
Might be worth waiting more than a month. Give people a couple of pay days to sort their finances out and such.

>skwetna
You do realise both of those are in a massive swamp right? 6 months out of the year you'll be mucking around, the other 6 you'll be covered in snow

>>862233
Well I never went to the other forum do I only knew about the /out/ end of things.

Anyway, ideas like this are going to flop because, while they're definitely like-minded, the idea they're trying to rally around isn't strong enough to put community interest above self interest, which is actually really important with any kind of remote/isolated group living.

Monestaries, ashrams, reformist communes, military camps, they all had a really strong dogma to rally around and adhere to and MGTOW is more of a loose idea.

If you're also going to have a bunch of guys living alone in the woods with no women you have to give them something to focus on otherwise they'll tear each other apart. I don't just mean whittling and gardening, I mean practicing martial arts, making furniture, military drills, etc.

It really wouldn't be a very libertarian existence, it would be very regimented and place the community first and most of MGTOW is a very individualistic/libertarian group.

>>862377
This, I live in the Mat-Su valley and most of that land is so cheap because it's not really usable for farming or habitation.

It's marshland filled with mosquitos, biting flies and leeches.

>>862411
I don't see that happening here. it's an /out/ camp and nothing more, not a cult compound, no reason for us to chafe if we're on opposite ends of a 40 acre property.
Personally I thought we'd left the whole "no grills allow" thing in the old thread...

>>862039
Dis nigga startin a cult

>>862426
Cults do tend to have good social cohesion

>>862429
If you start feeling a little Koresh-ish lemme know, I got the hookup on some dope guns

>>862039
>No outside alcohol
I'm one of the few that could have given a pretty good chunk of $ as well as have the means to travel here pretty frequently. I also thought it was a great idea but you blew it with #7
I notice you didn't list weed so I'm guessing you are a discriminating stoner hippy fuck.
Peace out boys...

>>862048
So you are willing to take on the taxes as well as the injury liability?

>>862001
>$15k

I thought Ameriguns earn this in 6 months. Just pay it all yourself and then hire /out/ knaves who will toil the land and give 9/10ths of it back.

>>862446
>15k
Half goes to king obama

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>>862437
yes, though you'd have to sign a waiver that say you knew the risks of being out on site, we'ed still have a medical liability fund of some sort payed buy people who visit the site who aren't from out, and we'ed know you from out becuase you'd be wearing a /out/ badge when you arrive on site

>>862436
i didn't even consider weed, becuase im not a degenerate so yeah if there's no alcohol there no other drugs except for emergency medical use
>>862415
>>862377
from the topo maps we can see that the areas themselves are not in swamp

>>862367
a month is usually how long these campaign go one for, i can have it run the winter, and hope that no one buys the land we're looking at

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>>862478
(tho they are *next to* the swamps are the area, they aren't "technically" in the swamps

>>862436
should be noted that by outside i mean you can bring any in, not that you can't have any at all its mostly to keep people from getting hammered and fucking the place up and being shitty and bothersome

>>862492
So simply ask people not to be drunk and disorderly in public areas. Isn't that state law/just not being a fucko anyway?

>>862508
You've never been to Alaska.

>>862513
Correct. But a standard of behaviour is expected of all of us, experience nonwithstanding.

If you live in alaska you get $2k every year, so it pays for itself

>>862532
but you have to be a resident for at least i think its 2 years before you qualify but still, that's not one of the reasons i want to move their, its just a bonus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Permanent_Fund

>>862492
>keep people from getting hammered
Dude, are you like fucking 17 or something? Most adults can drink responsibly.
Seriously, you pretty much sound like a D-bag in your posts.

>>862446
>$15k
>Ameriguns earn this in 6 months
I pay at least 5X that in taxes so yeah.

>>862574
i guess its mostly becuase i don't drink at all so but i might be willing to change that rule if people can prove to be responsible

>>862538
>>862532
Yeah, that's not gonna last much longer. Oil revenue is drying up so Alaska's not going to be paying people to live here much longer and will actually have to start increasing taxes.

>>862608
then il pay the 93 Property tax and charge people to visit the site who don't have the out badge

How much for a place to pitch my tent?

>>862618

>place to pitch my tent

:^)

if you have an /out/ badge and help out, free as long as you follow basic sportsmanship

>>862621
outdoorsmanship*

>>862621
>basic outdoorsmanship

So, shit on rivers and kick cairns? I'm in.

Isn't this place too remote for anyone to get to? Wouldn't it cost $1000 and take days to make the trip from the continental US?

Lots of cheap land in Montana, Idaho, Washington etc where this would be more affordable.

This sounds like a terrible idea, I wouldn't give this guy any money

>>863153
no you can take an air taxi for about 240 to get to the property and bring all the necessary supplies

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>>863240
>jes under two fiddy
Is that a return trip or one way? Definitely seems like it would be better to get somewhere with at least trail or track access.
Unless we have some flyanons who can help us out.

>>863240
>guys that dont even have 15k between one another needs to buy plane tickets to alaska and 240 dollars one way taxi service.

Its a hard knock life

>>863350
well after doing a little more research the cost for an air taxi from a vary reliable community is in the 400 to 800 dollar range but i'm not sure if that's per passenger or per flight

https://regal-air.com/alaska-air-charter/flight-charters-overview/?gclid=CjwKEAjw652_BRDfkebVrdOGkDISJAD0Q2RukbFmxKeD7nH3gChWkJTUV0bt-Mz48WJiXctMirNluxoC-RTw_wcB
>>863349
both sites do have Boat accsess and "winter trail" accsess but you'd need to Make the trip by snowmobile. but this is out right, whats the point of having an cozy as fuck /out/ post if its easy to get to?

>>863390
Even if its per flight its still to expensive when nobody has money for a 15k plot. Also you could just walk there. I dont know how to get building materials there tho

>>863525
>>863390

Would be better if it was close to the ocean so you could have a boat

>>863390

>$500 ticket to Alaska
>$500 bush plane
>$500 return bush plane
>$500 in overpriced supplies
>Two weeks of time

To get a free campsite of most likely shit quality surrounded by impenetrable forrest, relentless blood sucking insects with no services.

Man camp doesn't have to be miserable death camp ya know

>>862001
>Alaska
There are better areas

Also any Canadians ITT the government has a homesteading act in place for people to settle the Yukon.
Otherwise there are places that give away free land if you settle there in Canada and the U.S. (Kansas being the big one) and loads of dirt cheap lab in the American SW

>>863539
Canadian here, there are far better options in Canada than the Yukon, man.

North Ontario is similar to the Yukon but much safer, cheaper and more reliable to access, and the climate and land will be somewhat better.

There's the maritime provinces too, which are significantly warmer still; land in New Brunswick is absurdly cheap and usually not too hard to get to, and Nova Scotia is not much more expensive.

Yeah the Yukon has the 2hardcore4u outdoorsman vibe you won't get from camping in Nova Scotia but that's about it.

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>>863539
as some one from kansa i can tell you that all the "free land" comes with a lot of hitches ,you have to build a house worth at least 100,000 you only get half an acre at most your have nabors really close together

>>863536
ill be contacting the seller here when i start the gofundme thing so i can get more pics/information on the site to post, but from the pics/gps exploitation it looks mostly like birch/evergreen forest

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>>862015
Pic related, national socialism is the only way you guys will prosper.

Stop being such fucking lowsy mgtows. Go to a coastal Alaskan town and get a job on a fishing boat. Literally almost everyone you meet loves the /out/doors like no tomorrow. Running into the middle of nowhere won't do shit for you unless you get good income.

>>863776
Wagecuck detected

If you do a crowd funding, would you hold the land in your name?

OP obviously wants to take the money and run, be careful

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What of instead of buying land, we just claim some unclaimed land?
Specifically, claim Bir Tawil, which neither Egypt or Sudan wants. Roughly 800 square miles, or about 512k acres, compared to your measly 17 or 40 acre options.

Sure, it might be all desert, but we can make it a WHITE desert.

>However, due to the remoteness and hostile climate of the region, the vast majority of these claims have been by declarations posted online from other locations.

Be the true /out/doorsman, and make it ours.

>>864158
Now this is an idea i can get behind.

>>864094
I would but that mean id also hold most if not all of the liability as well, and also id be able to grant people the right to build and do what they like on the land

>>864123
yes, i want to take the money and run

to alaska
to the woods
and then let any anon brave enough stay (squat) on the property as long as they follow Certain rules (ie don't be a dick)

i've been wanting to do something like this for years and i've finally decided that after talking about it for years, im done talking, its time from BRASH AND BOLD action

>>864158
that is not the environment i want, i long for the north, the snow the rain the trees and fields , i used to live in the lands i've selected and i long to return to those lands once more, i know I can never share the experiences i've had there but it is a draw all men feel, to return to the place they were happiest,

where they were the most free to roam and build and do as they please, with friends and Colleagues, i want that for us, to go into these lands harsh and wild and make them our home, though stout labor, and force of will

>>864224
Why not just save up 15k yourself? Might take a year or two but it wouldnt be hard.. Hell i could probably rack in some 1000's just selling shit in my apartment i wont be needing anyway

>>864228
I could, i could spend Years and years, spend all my prime years burying myself in work that's not fulfilling for some far off dream, or i can ask some kind people one or to thousand people sure but that's nothing that's not even 1/50 of the people who live in the city i live , i can ask, hey its only 1o, 15, 25 bucks its not much on your part, but if i get enough people to give even just a few bucks each, it adds up, thats why im doing the crowdfunding campaign i've already been working my ass off for 7 years i have some money put away but most of its going to taxes, the mortgage on my Current home bills the whole 9 i don't want to get one of these properties when im in my 40's or 50's and everything hurts and its hard to move, i want it when i still have the will to do something with it

>>864242
Bra 15k is not a lot of money, get a job you dirty hobo

>>864280
What makes you think i don't have a job anon i've been working and saving and doing what i can, but if i want to make my Dream no OUR dream a reality in the near future im going to need some help, im not going to ask a lot of you, just if you can, spare a few dollars hear and there like i said, get 2000 people to give 15 each and we'ed have the money we'ed need to get the place, (id sell my house and car) fly up there and build a nice set of cabins make a little camp or something hell after i sell my House id pay for the trip for at least a few of you

>>864289
yeah but who wants to share a handful of acres with 2000 /out/ists

>>864317
are you thinking 2000 sc/out/s would just show up all at once? i think you might be misinterpreting what i'm saying

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>>864368

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>>864374
im sorry but i don't have many saved because my computer was reset recently

>>864322
Not nescessarily all at once, but several hundred in one season, several tens building shitey little shacks every year

>>864822
or we could have an area Dedicated to building cabins for housing and have the structure of the property be more like a camp then any thing

also im expecting only a few people will want to make the trip the rest will who give will be like, remeber the guy who mad potato salad and got 150,000 bucks for it

>>864368
Yo do you have any more like this?
Hardening structures like this hardens something else in me, if you catch my drift. Brings me back to the sofa and tree forts of my youth.

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>>864242
>>864289
This is either absolute bullshit or absolute retardation and either way it's hilarious.

>Has been working for 7 years, owns a house, still "needs some help" to come up with a piddly little 15K
>Picking probably the least feasible location in the entire US for this purpose except _maybe_ the middle of the Mojave or some shit (even that would honestly be easier to get to)
>Absolute sketchlord "Hot lonely Russian Womans want to be of Datings YOU!" English
>thinking there are even 2000 people on this board
>going hard in for the "I'm struggling so much but any little bit you can give really adds up" pity angle like a plot of land is a fucking charity for you

>>864920
were going with the 40 acre 25 k property
and im doing my best anon sorry if its not good enough.

i was also going to put it on gofundme or one of those other crowdsourcing site which mean more people than just people from out could potentially donate i've also already saved up 3k,

also if this guy
>https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/zackdangerbrown/potato-salad

can get 55 k for potato fucking salad then i can get 25 for a homestead to share with people from out

>>865099
Why would people give you money for this? It's beyond retarted. Hell I could buy the land right now if I wanted to. Stop begging for money like a bum and use your OWN money

>>865127
fine

>>865099
Just buy the plot yourself its 25k and have people pay a small fee nobody is gonna visit this place anyway you giganigger. Its thousand of km from everybody... you need a fucking plane. Getting 25 people there will cost 50%--100% of the land price

>>862039
Wall tents or arctic ovens really are the best option. The trees in Alaska are not always suitable for cabins, so it's not something to count on.

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ITT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd4-UnU8lWY