Winter camping

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>>860338
>Winter camping

>>860342
My only recommendation is to stop pretending you camp in the winter or ever.

Get a sleeve to put over your sleeping bag.

That way condensation will soak the sleeve and not your bag.

Be careful when waking up, if you hit the side of your tent, ice rains in your face. The perfect morning wakeup

Also bring a fucking shovel

>>860385
The Tasmanian tent is double-walled specifically to help avoid ice build-up in the sleeping area. I'm not sure how effective it'll be, but I'm aware of that issue in particular.

I'll find a good camp shovel too. Any suggestions?

I'm also thinking of Exped SynMat 9 long/wide (better R-value and it will fit my dog and I better), and an MSR WhisperLite Universal stove. Anyone have experience with these or other recommendations?

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>>860338
My setup:
>The North Face Summit Series VE25 tent
>The North Face Summit Series Inferno -20C sleeping bag
>Exped Downmat 9

I am so cozy at sub zero temps that I sleep naked. Come at me old man winter. Though, tent placement is key to a safe nights sleep or suffering till morning.

Your entire setup is better suited for early spring through fall. The sleeping bag, rated at 0F isn't too exciting. The mat with an r value of 4 is pretty standard, but sub par for winter. You REALLY want a nice thermal gradient between your body and the snow underneath you. The 3 season tent will dump more heat over a 4 season tent.

Basically at this point in true winter conditions, you're either loading up on calories to stay warm or wearing tons of layers IN your tent just to maintain a comfortable body temp (or both). The tent is your lifeline. The differences between a 3 season to a 4 season tent are substantial enough to have a proper 4 season if you're going to bivouac this winter.

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my setup:
>insulated trailer
>25k btu forced-air furnace
>deep-cycle marine battery
>40lb propane cylinder

>>860589
I'm planning to get an Exped SynMat (R-value of 6) and a 4-season Alps Tasmanian tent to boost my setup. The tent is at the low end of the price range for a 4-season, but I definitely can't afford a $600 tent like yours.

I could upgrade the sleeping pad even more for an extra $100 though, I suppose.

I'm a little confused about your comment on my bag though... Mine is rated at 0*F, and yours is only -4*F. I don't imagine that that difference is too significant.

Any other recommendations?

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> TarpTent Scarp II
> BA Insulated Q-core
> Seirra Designs 20*F 800 fill, Backcountry Bed

Cozy chit.

>>860561
I have an exped xl sleeping mat (not the lightweight version, as the durability loss Compared to weight loss was a joke) it's rated as 7, and is black, can't remember the name of it, but it's comfortable as he'll, and a game changer all year round for me. I can use my 40degree bag in 30 degree weather while naked inside it (with a tiny sleeping bag liner) and I'm only cold in areas that inevitably end up out of my sleeping bag, as I'm an animated sleeper.

Just got a 3lb sleeping bag rated to - 20. I'm very excited to test it /out/ in a month when temperatures reach well below freezing in the mountains by me.

But I have no doubt the exped will be the warmest part in my setup. I rock a cheap 3 season 2 person tent as I'm 6'3", and have to buy long/xl everything.

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>>860561
> camp shovel

Mine for snow. No real brand, but does collapse.

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>>860684
>only having one
Good choice with aluminum though. Lexan avy shovels are junk.

Hope you've got a beacon/probe too.

Dark constantly
Firewood all covered/wet
Tons of gear
Less to see/do
Freezing
Someone's always bitching about it all


Winter camping sucks, let's not kid ourselves.

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>>860696
> a little knowledge goes a long way

Protip: there is no shitty weather, only shitty gear.

Oh, if someone is bitching change your friend or solo.

>>860682
I guess I'll go ahead and go with the Exped DownMat 9 LW (R-value of 8), since the sleeping pad isn't a place to cheap out. $300 is a shitload for a mat though.

That's -20*C, I assume?

I'm 6'5". I understand that feel.

>>860684
These are the primary and backup shovels I'm looking at:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00LX1NO1C/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1474373242&sr=8-4&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=backpacking%2Bsnow%2Bshovel&dpPl=1&dpID=31EubplsUfL&ref=plSrch&th=1&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B003IMTPYY?

>>860821
I checked last night and mine is branded "Lifeline", $20 @Cal Ranch Store last winter.

>>860813
I paid 150 for my exped on sale, and used my rei refund to pay for most of it, as I bought a roof rack and mounts the year before at rei. I'm not sure why your exped is costing 100 more than mine retailed for when the r rating is only 1 higher.

My temperature values were rated in ferinheight. I bought a -20 sleeping bag on clearance. I'm sure it's overkill for what I need, but like I said, I'm an animated sleeper, so opening the sleeping bag, and using it like a blanket is my favorite method.

I would love to do some serious snow camping this year, but my car is a sports car, and does absolute trash in snow. My tent is also a 3 season lightweight 2person tent. I'm willing to shell out a few hundred for a 4 season tent If I do enough winter camping to warrant one.