Educate me

>>858430
they add a lot of weight, you dont actually need it, almost everyone buys it for the looks and doesnt use it. They were originally designed in the military for attaching kit to the front of your plate carrier. For a backpack, they literally serve no advantafe to just putting the shit in the backpack

A few strips of MOLLE or webbing is handy to have for attaching things to your hiking pack.

A hiking backpack covered in it is gratuitous and try-hard.

>>858446
Tent, sleeping bag etc... you don't stuff that inside.
How about if you need to carry a hatchet, or a bundle of rope. Wet, dirty shoes. I know there are bags which provide (some) attachment points, but you can't possibly argue that this isn't more versatile. Oh you need an extra pouch on this trip? No problem, just slap one up.

Also, why would that couple of strips add a lot weight?

To me this seems like an overreaction, honestly. I get why people hate the tacticool crowd, but you really don't look like a wannabe soldier with a bag like pic related.

>>858475
>you don't stuff that inside

Yeah I do, my sleeping bag goes inside and my tent fabric goes inside. The poles get strapped to the side with my compression straps. The only thing that typically rides outside my pack is my foam sleeping mat and I only need some cord and a couple d-rings to attach that.

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>>858430
There are these "things", that are called faggots, son. They don't like MOLLE, because it gives you more modularity.
Also they are interested in fashion more than in functionality, so just ignore 'em.

>>858481
MOLLE is fashion anon. More than three or four strips on a civilian hiking pack is pure fashion.

>>858475
>sleeping bag doesn't go inside backpack
>dirty shoes get carried
>implying bringing 2 pairs of shoes
why do people who don't go /out/ try to give advice?

>>858478
>>858487
No shit you can fit that into a bigger bag, but we are talking about a small backpack here, you will not fit that into something like this. That's why it's great that you can attach it.

Sometimes shoes do get carried, what of it?
Where exactly am I giving advice?

Why do you care so much about what other people think of your backpack

If you want to buy a pack with webbing all over it it's your choice.

>>858521
Just want to understand the sentiment, that's all. There are a couple of these weird fetishes in /out/, bushcraft circles that make no sense to me. Like packing ferrocerium rods instead of a simple lighter, etc.

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Molle a bad thing? Extra weight? Suck my dick if you think like that... How about this paracord on every fucking thing u have nonsense? I use molle to attach things - works for me, i like it.

Assault backpacks have no place on the streets, it makes you look like a soldier wannabe.

Plus it makes your pack unstable with all the pouches bouncing around on the sides, that's why you don't see legit people who hike a lot(other than the military) with them but desu I don't really care.

What rustles my jimmies is stupid velcro that has no useful purpose other than attaching muh morale patches and simple makes the pack like shit.

>>858538
Neutral coloured bags don't scream military just because of a webbing. Clear as day civilian item. This oversensitivity irks me. The Velcro is stupid though.

>>858430
>MOLLE considered cringey

Because their only use is to look cool on kids who have never been to the woods. Using them in the woods would clearly show them what shit they bought, when their tacticool shitbag traps them in the branches or vines, or how much fun it is to get the leaves and dirt out of the molle strips.
There are millions of better ways to attach something to your bag, so why use the worst possible option.

>>858481
Why would a hiker need modularity?

MOLLE on bushcraft bags are great for bushcraft because you can slide your hatchet down it, tie on your tent, sleeping bag, stuff sack, etc. If you're just a casual hiker then it's not really needed. Hiking backpacks are almost twice as big and can fit just about everything inside it. I use most of my MOLLE on my little bushcraft bag for hunting/fishing trip. But my 70l hiking pack I use for camping/hiking trips doesn't have anything but bungee straps.

>>858596
>There are millions of better ways to attach something to your bag

Like what?

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>>858596
>>858700
>carabiners attached to shoulder straps for 2 point attachment of top or bottom loaded secondary bag.
are you this fucking daft?
I used to poorfag with a backpack, for over a decade. a carabiner on each shoulder strap, and bam, you have all the anchors you need to attach a bag on top or below your main load, not to mention since you are two points, the load shift is mitigated.

>>858596
the only difference between MOLLE and a regular outdoor internal/external frame backpack is that the MOLLE has more attachment points. Every backpack has loops you can attach shit on you fucking autist.

>>858430
I think some people will just reject ANYTHING remotely military in design because they think a civilian should only have civilian stuff. Personally I think Molle is just fine, kinda pointless unless you are actually investing in extra pockets though, a lot of people never utilize the molle straps. Also, you could just buy a backpack with plenty of pockets attached to it.

>>858700
d-rings, tool loops, compression straps, pad straps, cinch chords,cetc

All of which are pretty standard on any good hiking pack.

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>>858430
while it's certainly not needed it's a handy thing to have on a backpack. I sew some straps on my backpack, 'cause i was bored and wanted to strap my fak on the outside of my backpack. pic related

>>858746
>carabiner on each shoulder strap
How can you attach things securely to that? I'd imagine that it would move around quite a lot...

>>858596
>their tacticool shitbag traps them in the branches or vines
The only real argument against it, so far.

>>858656
This.

>>858796
>states X is better than Y
>no arguments to support it
In what way are those better? Are you honestly trying to say that loops on bags are great, unless they are molle, cause then you aren't cool 'n trve? Christ.

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>>858430
Tying shit with ropes are secure and not wiggle around unlike MOLLE.

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>>858430
>Why are bags with MOLLE considered cringey?

because people MUST ALWAYS HAVE an opinion
and they MUST ALWAYS tell you that what you're doing is NOT fine
only because they don't like it
and so you have to defend yourself for the way you want to live

>>858538
>>858868
Wait. you guys know you don't just loop stuff through one strap right? you weave it in so it doesn't flop around.

>>858911
kek

>>858911
Still not as tight as tying around the stuff.

>>858446
first post best post

>>858475
>Tent, sleeping bag etc... you don't stuff that inside.
Uhh yes you do. Your sleeping bag is your most critical piece of gear so it gets drybagged and kept inside nice and safe.

>How about if you need to carry a hatchet, or a bundle of rope

Hatchet? Anything with weight should be INSIDE the pack up against your back for best weight distribution.

Rope? Well it's rope isn't it you don't need an attachment point because its fucking rope.

>>858506
> but we are talking about a small backpack here,

If you can't get all your gear inside your bag and still have a little space you've got a bag that's too small.

This is my backpack, it has absolutely no molle on it.

Things I routinely and easily attach to my backpack
Ice axe
Hiking poles
Hatchet
Fishing rod
Tent poles
Extra water vessels
Camera tripod
Collapsing camp chair
Sleeping pad
Blanket
Dirty shoes/wet jacket

Having a few strips of webbing on your pack is handy, but covering your pack completely with molle is seriously just fashion

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>>859030
Sorry, forgot the pic

>>858481
>no ear protection for the child

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

for the rest of her life

>>858918
>If you can't get all your gear inside your bag and still have a little space you've got a bag that's too small.

depends how you are traveling. for example when I go kayak camping my regular backpacks don't fit and you have to piece everything out into smaller bags. a smaller bag you could attach your other gear bags to would be awesome.

>>859097
No! Only backpacking in temperate deciduous or boreal forest is permitted! There is no other way to go /out/!

>>858918
I'm trying to make the point that a small bag with molle (or any other attachment system) is more practical than one without, yet all of you try to compare it to full sized packs. Maybe the mistake was on my part, but that's not the comparison I'm trying to make as it makes no sense.

>>>858481
>Why would a hiker need modularity?
One particular example would be making a 'star tour' or whatever the english expression is for consecutive one day hikes from a fixed camp. Or if you go canoeing.

>>859030
Which bag is that? Bags that provide a sizeable number of attachment points whilst not being militaryesque are usually pretty expensive.
>covering your pack completely with molle is seriously just fashion
They tend to overdo it for sure.

>>859116
REI Look Out 40, wasn't really that expensive compared to milspec stuff.

Andvit's absolutely not true that bags with multiple attachment options are really expensive. Even cheapo discount brand hiking packs have things like compression straps, d-rings, stretch chord, etc.

I've also literally never met a kayaker or canoe camper or guide that had or needed a molle backpack. Most of their shit goes in dry bags.

MOLLE bags are considered cringy because of the people that wear them.

>>859116
Why would modularity be needed for a series of one day hikes from a fixed base camp? Why couldn't you just use a day pack that holds all your day gear?

>>859121
Mostly I've seen overpriced bags and el cheapo shit, that wasn't well thought out. I'm in eastern europe though. On canoeing you may be right, I did it amateurishly quite a while back, so I'm sure there better options than this.

>>859143
Well, you go there with lots of stuff, set up camp, then go on with little stuff. Modularity is not needed, it just makes it easier imo.

>>859150
So basically you're just assuming things without any practical experience.

>>859150
Modularity would not really make that situation easier.

>>859157
Where did I do that exactly? I just admitted that I ain't doing that professionally, so my way might not be the best. Is that 2weird4u on /out/?

>>859159
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May I ask, why do you say that?

>>859165
You didn't say why it WOULD make it easier, so why don't you do that first and then I'll present a counter argument.

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>>859186
>Go there with camp shit attached to bag, and in removable compartments.
>Remove shit, set up camp.
>Go on daily hikes with a now small bag.
>Question why are you posting on /out/
>Kill self with 550 tactical paracord

>>859195
removeable bags are small and not going to add much. the weight of the straps is more than a larger bag.

>>859195
>Go to camp with bag that holds all of your gear
>Set up camp
>Realize that of your gear doesn't need its own special little pouch
>Bring what you need on day excursions

>Wonder why you felt the need to make extra work for yourself by intentionally buying a bag that's too small and trying to make it bigger.

Soldiers need modularity because of all the shit they have to carry and need access to at a moment's notice. For campers, hikers, backpackers, cyclists, etc it's just extra work versus neatly packing your gear in a backpack.

MOLLE is a functional attachment system but it is not the best out there for civilian use.

MOLLE bags are considered cringy because of the wannabe soldier boys that buy it.

>>859203
>its own special little pouch
Because I was talking about special little pouches, right? Though I do need to fit my dildo collection somewhere. I never know when I might need it quick and fast. My ass likes it tactical.

>Go to camp with bag that holds all of your gear
>Set up camp
>Lug around that 70l pack every day
>Think about how great it is to not be tacticool


>>859201
>removeable bags are small and not going to add much

There are fairly big ones available, but I could easily make my own too. Also most of the stuff (or any other non molle bag for that matter) will quite happily attach with ropes... and yes having webbing does make that easier.

>>859213
70 liters? God you are retarded.

I can go three nights with a 45 liter bag.

I'd like to see some anons post pictures of their MOLLE bags loaded up and in use

>>858484
Because why would you want to stick something on a specific place? Why would anyone want to balance the bag out so it can sit up a certain way or have it reachable from a certain spot.

>>859237
45 liter? God you are retarded. I can go 2 nights with my 30 liter bag.

Oh god the faggotry.

>>859242
>because MOLLE is the only way to attach something to a pack

>because having a balanced load isn't as simple and properly packing your gear

>>858430
I habe a bag with MOLLE on the inside. MOLLE on the outside is too tacticool for me.

I personally love being able to tie or clip stuff onto my pack. I also love the durability. I've been a woodsman for 20 years and have never once considered pack weight as an issue. It's never even crossed my mind.

Maybe this is more of an issue for people with scoliosis? Or the elderly?

>>858525
Well youve clearly never done anything outside of a day hike

I have a camouflage MOLLE Camelback. It was issued to me by the Army 10 years ago. I use it mountain biking. Still haven't clipped anything to it.

>>859696
Sure man. God fuck, I can't even begin to tell you how much cringe you induce by trying to play a l33t hiker online. Were you bullied in the boy scouts or what?

The unsung hero who can spend 3 nights with a 45 liter bag. Christ almighty. Spend 1 night with a girl for fucks sake.

>>859213
> My ass likes it tactical.

can you and your ilk fuck off of /out/ for good. your 70l pack with the stuff you dont need removed is going to weigh less than a smaller pack with molle webbing. also why tf are you carrying around 70L?

>>859240
Yes, this would be very amusing

>>859765
No it won't you dumb fuck. Why are you guys so fucking elitist that you can't even comprehend that some people might actually find some use for a molle bag and can't even comprehend what clearly is a joke to anyone not autistic? 80% of the responses are just shitposting about how great hikers you are, the rest just doesn't make any sense. Go and read it back. I needed a 70l bag, when I went on 7-10 days long tours. For nth time, what of it? What fucking rule of yours does this break? This is the most autistic board on here, honestly.

>>859765
Not to mention how fucking retarded it is to think that only weight matters.

>>859701
>still haven't clipped anything to it


The truth about molle bags revealed.

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MOLLE is absolutely essential for attaching your tactical dried sausage

I've never owned a molle pack. I really don't care what other people use when /out/ unless it directly impacts my personal experience. I use an 80L pack for any trip longer than a day hike - 90% of the time it's not full and I have a UL daypack in it for smaller excursions from camp.

Use what you like. Fuck everyone else.

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>>858481
pretty much this, I use it all the time to attach pouches or other items with carabiners, like bear spray when i'm in bear country etc

but anyone who worries about other people's gear fashion can just fuck off in general, if the /k/ommandos want to wear muticam molle snuggies go nuts, if the hipsters want to carry cast iron and red flannel have at it, oif the rednecks won't take off their realtree underoos who the hell cares?

>posting TAD porn to further rustle jimmies

>>859245
30 liter? God you are retarded. I can go 1 night with a 2 liter bag

There's literally no reason for a civilian to separate their gear into detachable pouches other than to satisfy OCD.

Stop liking things i don't like - the thread.

>>860097
both of you are over-packing faggots
i can go 3 hours on only sock storage

>>860180
>sock storage
full fucking plebian.

if you cant carry it in your foreskin, its unnecessary and you shouldnt be carrying it. Pack light and pack smart.

>>859857
Some sanity. Thanks.

>>859848
What kind of sausage is that?

>>860183
>2016
>carrying things
Wew laddy.

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I use mine for work/ motorcycle rides/ UTA weekends (air force)/ and to keep all the shit I don't wanna have in my pockets.
It's a good tough backpack, fuck anyone who dislikes them, not like they'll say it to your face or anything, that'd be stupid.

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Cringe away but I like my 5.11 Rush MOAB™ 10.
It even attaches to the front of my 5.11 Responder 84 ALS™ Backpack.

>>860255
It's a generic french alpine dried sausage made out of pork, called "saucisson".

>>860424
opinel and saucisson, classic french outdoors
Do you know some nice alpine hikes?
Preferably where they didn't ruin the view with skipistes.

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>>860311
I love my MOAB 10, it's my new EDC bag. I've yet to try it out innawoods yet mind.
Really slim pack for what it can hold, and the MOLLE allows me to slap on stuff as needed. I can get why some people don't see the utility, but I do.
For one I love having my pen (Fisher space pen, bullet.) up on my chest. I'm a games art student and so having my pen right on the strap means it's always there for quick access, which helps with jotting down ideas on the go.
On my old /out/ pack I'd strap my knife to the strap, and I plan on doing the same here. Slipping a molle sheath onto webbing is a lot easier than lashing a normal sheath in, and a lot more secure I find.
I used the MOLLE webbbing to make a sort of sternum strap to stop the pack sliding around also, in addition to making two extra compression straps using the 4 webbing straps the pack comes with to allow you to attach it to other molle packs.
Pic is my pack.

>>860153

Ban assault backpacks

>>860448
Opinel is the perfect everyday knife.
I can't really tell you since I'm not from this region, but you can find some really nice trails on this website, if you're able to read basic french : http://www.moveyouralps.com/fr/gr5-alpes/les-idees-sejours

>>858656
>you can slide your hatchet down it
What fucking bag do you have with molle loops that wide. My guess is none.

>>858837
I'm the opposite in that I'm normally cutting loops off. However it ends up at about the same as yours

>>859213
You could literally put all that shit in dry bags inside the pack or lashed outside. Just from a weight placement standpoint inside is better. More bags, made specifically made to attach to another bag are useful for quick access and that's about it. But seeing as how it's utility doesnt really apply to general /out/ use then why bother. I would rather buy one GOOD bag, and I say this as a guy that has molle bags with shit attached to them

>start a thread asking why people don't like MOLLE bags

>get butt flustered when people say why they don't like MOLLE bags

>>860504
merci!

>>860912
De rien !

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>>860311
Nice patch, friend

Molle can be good, but it's usually used for military to attach stuff based on what extra they need, water pouch, ammo pouch, IFAK, etc.
and even then, most people just get a bigger pack.

>>858911
Of course they dont. They write it off, never using it.

I have a pack from cabelas that is small, but fits my 3l Geiger rig, laptop, etc. Got a couple things attached for more room. Happy as fuck

>>858430
Police will stop you and br suspicious of you because bags with MOLLE are too tactical looking.

>>860153
Organisation and accesability.

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MOLLE on inside masterrace. What you see is my hydratation pack attached with MOLLE webbing. Its nice to have because you can put first a first aid pouch on there and other handy stuff that needs its own pouch. You can remove all the MOLLE pouches and use the backpack as a normal backpack for going on a city trip or something.

>>858596
You are far more likely to get branches snagged on the carry handle or the compression straps than MOLLE.

>>862318
No you're not.

>>862360
Don't be ridiculous, its very unlikely anything will slip under one of the little gaps in Molle, its far more likely it will catch a strap or a loop.

That's obvious just from looking at it.

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it's this simple.
Find what works for you, and stop asking for other people's dumb opinions.
this is my MULE, the bottom pouch had MOLLY, I not only added that pouch but you can see I have a knife in easy reach. the cargo net holds most of my kitchen and the lower pouches hold camp and first aid/trauma, the top holds what ever. normaly snack bars, crap I want access to.
I can go 2 to 3 days, more if I bring the bow and the wild life is around.
education is what matters, take in everything and sort out what's you.
I'm \out\

>>862375
Prove it

>>862389
The assertion under discussion is that molle snags branches and traps debris. It's up to you to prove it.

>>862310
I have never understood why people think this; if anything, a police officer would see that you're one of those guys into tactical stuff (possibly ex-MIL or LEO) and maybe want to chat with you. Suspicious persons such as criminals or terrorists never wear bags like that, as they always have cheap generic bags because they don't care about how nice their bag is.