Homegrowmen (Farming and Gardening) Thread #70

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Peppers

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I finally found the bastard

>>851745
lol iktf

Sometimes I have to look for 10 minutes before I find it. The last one I found I left because it was covered in those wasp parasite pupae things all over it and it was no longer moving.

>>851745
I gave up and just blaster my tomaters with my soap sprayer. They hadn't done half the damage Japanese beatles and my chickens have.

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>>851749
I wish wasps had got it, there have been a lot of them around. Their hive is something else I'm having trouble finding.
>>851755
I've had no Japanese beetles this year. I have 2 traps that are empty and my raspberries went unmolested.

my canopy

>>851745
And those motherfuckers can't just eat on one single tomato either. They have to go nibble on multiple ones here and there ruining all of them while leaving most of they ruin uneaten. Cocksuckers.

>>851762
Opossums do much the same thing. They will single bite ALL the green tomatoes and eat 1/4 of all ripe tomatoes.

>>851799
I'm sure glad that I don't have them around then. I haven't even staked my tomatoes, and I have yet to get so much as a hornworm on them. The only problem that I've had is that the first one to turn ripe split right after a rain, and I haven't even watered the things since around the beginning of August.

Fresh uncooked tomatoes make me physically ill, but so far, everybody who can eat them loves them. I can eat stewed tomatoes and tomato sauces (which I love,) so when they really start ripening, I'll be spending some time with the canner.

>>851833
If you keep the soil evenly moist without ups and downs it will keep splits from happening.

>>851845
I know. The only problem is that I can't control the rain. In the past, I've fussed over my tomatoes and my success has been spotty. This year, I direct sowed seeds, thinned when they were big enough to ensure survival, and pretty much let them be, except for watering during the hottest months. They look messier than hell, but holy fuck are they producing.

It's almost as though plants know what they're doing in the absence or our fiddling around with them.

>>851850
The most crucial part is keeping it watered and not letting it get dry. A properly watered tomato plant won't split the tomatoes if it gets overwatered. A dry tomato plant on the other hand will split like mad with rain.

>>851858
Except, if like most other fruits, a dry farmed tomato should have a more intense flavor. I know my melons and watermelons kick ass when I keep them dry. My chiles also get hotter and have better flavor too.

>>851861
It is really hard to do that when you have ripening tomatoes constantly and new tomatoes growing all the time. Give them a bit of proper watering and you have tons more tomatoes.

Also, the variety of tomato plays more a part in flavor than just being slightly dehydrated. The flavor difference isn't enough and it actually just placebo and myth. In order to taste an actual difference the tomato would be so dry that its skin is wrinkling up.

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First time growing tomatoes. Well first time growing anything. Pretty sure I planted them way too close together and way too many. Got bamboo sticks everywhere holding them up.

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>>851858
Think you just answered my question before I even asked it.

>>851863
Eh, every time I've fussed over them in past years, I've had spotty results. I'm going to stick with the lazy way, because it seems to be working better. It was only one tomato that split, and 90% of it was still eaten. Besides, I planted 7 or 8 different kinds. If they taste good, and produce, seed will get saved. If they don't, seed won't get saved.

(Besides, water is kind of a big deal where I am. 8.5"/year average precipitation. If I can use less, it is better.)

IMO, seed saving, so long as you account for inbreeding depression, is a good way to have a healthier garden. You get to select plants that fit with your environment, and, even with radical inbreeders like beans, and to a lesser degree, peppers and tomatoes have some epigenetic stuff that goes on where the offspring will be better adapted to your conditions than plants that haven't been localized.

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>>851761
>Japanese Beatles

Is foliar feeding a meme?

>>852167
No, but I consider it a waste on healthy plants that are in good soil. Only do that if the soil is very poor and your plants are suffering as a result.

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Anyone know why my scorpion peppers are only red on these two and the rest are blackish green?

Not sure if this is the right thread but I might as well put the question here. I have a neighbor who pretty much let his front and backyard go to shit and has random trees growing everywhere (and over into our property) that they obviously don't take care of. I've noticed that there's now a bunch of trees starting to grow along the shared fence in the backyard. Should I be worried about these things? Will they actually grow into huge trees and fuck with the fence?

>>852394
Stop worrying about your neighbors you dick.

>>852432
He's worried about their trees growing into his property, dude.

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So... I have this corner in my garden that apparently kills trees
Could it be voles? I don't see any holes though
Pic related a black locust that is suffering for no apparent reason
Already last year it had those yellow leaves and dropped them very early (mid-October)
I doubt it's soil and climate because I have another one in the garden that's doing fine (lush green leaves well into December)...

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>>852458
...Same with a hibiscus that's about 1m away. Already last year one near that spot died, this year another smaller one yellowed and dropped the leaves in early August (normally happens in November to all the 10 other of them spread around the garden which are fine)

Then there's also a privet hedge there with slight damage.

All other things growing in a 2m radius from that spot are unaffected though (lawn, physalis, mint, lilies, Japanese spindle, ivy, bryony...)

Any ideas what could be the culprit here? Thought about shrooms or viruses first, but why would it affect 2(-3) such distant species only?

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What's all this then? I sprayed it down with a 1% concentration of Neem oil just in case.

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>>852489
Pic 2/2

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Can someone help me identify this garden weed?

>>852506
A type of knotweed. Edible, but bland. The pink flowered ones are bland and most usually "lady's thumb", but there are a few others that are pink also. The white flower ones like Smartweed are extremely spicy in an odd way. There's also a pink smartweed. All are knotweeds. Get it a taste, see if it slowly builds in heat.

>>852394
Yes you should be worried and technically your neighbor is liable for the damages and leaves he generates.

>>852506
It is usually an indication that your soil is too wet. It can be a very difficult perennial weed to remove with conventional cultivation techniques, because it spreads when the roots are divided. I personally would not place a garden in an area with this much smart weed. I had no idea it was edible though...

>>852394
Contact your home owners association or equivalent organization and report him. Theyll start fining him for not maintaining his property. If you don't have anything like that in your area you just have to document damages. Just take pictures and log times about his overgrowth and notify in official document. The whole thing is a messy and long process but it's better than having to deal with invasive weeds and property damage that can result from them.

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almost forgot to post an update of my garden here , sorri babes

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shits overgrown but I haven't had any time to do maintenance.

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>>852760
Ha, so you have a farm now after all

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>>852771
i grow tomatoes for decorative purposes (n˘v˘•)¬

>>852394
Post some pictures, let's see what's happening.

>>852771
It isn't his garden. He doesn't own or rent the property, he just lives there.

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>>852793
no vlad, crawl back into your basement.

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My rosemary is being retarded again, just like last year starts flowering totally out of season now in September. Hope it'll flower all through winter until April again

>>852879
>My rosemary is being retarded again
not really, they just flower whenever the conditions are right.

a lot of herbs/rock plants do that.

>>852882
Almost all of the ones in the surroundings only start around Jan/Feb, rarely Dec
But it's weird, don't know what induces it to start right now as it's still quite warm here, maybe the days becoming shorter plays a role?

>>852884
>don't know what induces it to start right now
micro-climates.
>maybe the days becoming shorter plays a role?
when plants flower out of season it's usually due to stress, it's a survival response.

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>>852890
also inb4.

'the right conditions' usually means the right amount of stress.

forces the plant to produce viable seeds and reproduce before it dies, pour glyphosate on a budding dandelion and see what happens.

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Playing around with germinating seeds.

>>852464
If they die, yank them out and inspect the roots-- look up root knot nematodes.

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>>851876
They're not too close together, but it's tight. I have mine in a bed so space is a premium.

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Vole patrol!

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Will my avocado tree survive 20 days alone on my balcony? When it's really stormy some water will get onto the balcony but that's a big if

>>853022
What did you learn so far?

>>852394
Saturate the fence line with chemical fertilizer, a lot of it. Watch in aww as plants die by your hands,

>>853426
Set up something to automatically water it. Maybe you could even make a small olla.

Where to buy seeds on clearance?

In a different thread an anon said it's getting close to sales time on seeds again

>>853586
Someone on /g/ recently bought a shitload of cheap seeds from AliExpress. No word on if they're actually some kind of Chinese weeds though.

>>853593
>He doesn't grow Chinese weeds in his backyard
I for one, welcome our new bamboo overlords.

>>853593
http://www.aliexpress.com/w/wholesale-vegetable-seeds.html

Holy shit, I wonder though if you even have a snowballs chance in hell at guessing what each seed will be

>>853611
I kind of want to buy the blue strawberry and white cucumber seeds to see what they actually are.

>>853617
The description of the blue strawberry item says that the seeds are bonsai lmao

>>853432
I learned that agar is a wonderful sprouting medium for someone who doesn't have a firm grasp on the moisture needs of plants. All my seeds are sprouting and taking root wonderfully, except the Malabar Spinach and Chili seeds I have. For the Chili it may just be a matter of temperature so I'll try to get a heatlamp for it and try again.

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>>853611
>scam alarm blaring

Uh, yeah.

>>853628
Most of those seed packs are under 50 cents and have free shipping. Even if they are all nothing but shitty weeds, you still lose almost nothing. Plus, now you can go plant bamboo in that one guy who doesn't take care of his lawn's yard.

>>853611
>those clearly shooped purple tomatoes
What
They don't even look yummy.

>>853611
>Blue strawberries
>White and purple tomatoes
>Mini watermelons
No one actually falls for this, do they?

>>853630
You lose nothing, and yet a chinese family will eat for a week because of it.

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>>853630
>>853642
>willfully perpetuating this type of shit

>>853642
>>853630
>>853628
>>853611
>>853593
>>853586
when its only $2-3 for some quality, heirloom seeds that have been bred over many years to withstand the climate, pests and diseases of an area, why would you waste your time trying to grow cheap poor quality seeds that arent adapted to your locality and will produce sterile or inferior seeds.

Any 'savings' in the short term will just be loses in the long term through higher personal investment, lower yield or success rate, and not having a perpetually viable crop

>>853648
Yes but where to buy these seeds you're talking about?

Am a noob.

>>853665
http://seedsaver.org/

>>853665
depends on your country, on area/ city, on your climate, on the crops you want, etc etc.

You want heirloom varieties, have a google and see whats in your neck of the woods. Try and choose varieties that are a) adapted to your climate/ growing zone, b) are bred for natural pest resistance, c) supposedly have good yields or other trait you want.

For tomatoes I buy a few varieties, see what works best in my area and save the seeds from varieties that were good and worked well. Other varieties I just ditch and try more in following years. Same principle applies to most of your crops.

>>853627
Okay

>>853493
Alright

>>853665
Have you considered going to an actual store?

>>853743
WHAT STORE

>>853778
Depends where you live, doesn't it? Ask actual local gardeners and farmers, not us.

>>853740
I've cut out the bottom of the container and placed it over over over and under soil. I do see some bacteria and mold growth in the agar itself so I will experiment further on occasionally watering with hydrogen peroxide solution and also encasing the agar in food grade wax. The root of sprouts are also significantly deeper than in peat germinated seeds so I will try a deeper container for my next round of seeds. This time taking more measurements. The Malabar has also succumb to mold and failed to germinate.

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>>850411
6 days later and so far one of the 5 test seeds has sprouted! Will wait a little longer to see how many will do.
Too bad I'll have to toss them though since it's out of season

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>>853653
it's from my own page, u mad.

>>853860
What's your tumblr?

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>>853955
chloroplastida.tumblr

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Yo guys. I got my first plant other than corn. Instead of seeds, though, I picked up a grown but young 'un. They called it the phoenix or some such. Any tips on how to care for it? Area is South FL.

>ghost replies

I take it plont returned.

>>853982
Stake it, give it a bigger pot, they can take up to 1 gallon a day of water. If it gets aphids, just spray hose it down with water, as stiff a spray the leaves will take without turning darker.

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>>853997
>filter
>reply anyway.

I've recently started a bunch of peppers seeds in some sphagnum peat moss+perlite and a few seeds already of mould on them. Is there anything I can or should do about them? I tried sterilising them in 6% hydrogen peroxide but they still became mouldy within a few days.

Are plants generally harmed, as a whole, by physical trauma to their vines/leaves?

Specifically I'm wondering if I could cut back some of the vine on my butternut squash plant without killing it, since it's currently taking up quite a lot of real estate.

>>854166
>Are plants generally harmed, as a whole, by physical trauma to their vines/leaves?
Just so you know, if you hadn't further clarified, this would be a stupid question.

>I'm wondering if I could cut back some of the vine on my butternut squash plant without killing it
You can. It might impact fruit production though, depending on how far away in the season that is in your location.

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Anyone know what the FUCK these bugs are?

A quick google makes me think they're assassin bugs, but I'm not sure. SE Texas if that helps.

>>854166
>Specifically I'm wondering if I could cut back some of the vine on my butternut squash plant without killing it, since it's currently taking up quite a lot of real estate.

I don't advise it. Just train it as it grows. You can lift it up in the air like a tomato plant, if needed.

>>854178
Yeah, they look like nymph of some bug type, most likely assassin bugs (milkweed assassin bug nymph)?.

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>>854185
Yep, definitely assassin nymphs.

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It's been a while since I've planted anything, but the trench is full yet again with Spinach, Mini-beetroot and purple carrots.

I also dug up a few mounds in the empty back lot and planted in some sweet corn to start my first 3 sisters planting; all the space around the mulched mounds is planted out with dwarf beans to help fix the lousy soil that I haven't dug out.

>>851876
>getting too many tomatoes
Just can them, my friend. I canned 23 and a half quarts of Legend and Siletz tomatoes this season and it feels amazing.

>>854322
Very nice, is too high of a ph and chance of botulism a real thing in canning tomatoes by the way?

>>854347
Use google.

Canning pure, ripe tomatoes using water bath is safe.

>>854265
You are supposed to plant the veggies separately. Let the corn grow a few feet then plant the vine type veggies.

Anybody here grow mushrooms outdoors? Debating if I should do some winecaps on woodchips in my garden.

>>854347
Just put them in jars, smoosh them down so you get all the air out and fill it up to the appropriate head space. Then add a teaspoon of citric acid and you're good to put them in the water bath. It's easy, anon.

>>853778
THE SEED STORE!!

>>854374
That's what I'm doing mang, the beans are only in the non-mulched soil to improve it for next year.

>>854385
No, this is not how you water bath can tomatoes.

You have to "hot pack" them. That is what removes the air. You boil your jars and keep them hot. You boil the tomatoes for 5 minutes to remove the air in them. Then you pour them into the hot jars, put the lids and rings on, and place them into the water of the canner. That is how you begin. If you don't "hot pack" the tomatoes will start to float up and can stick to the bottom of the lid allowing water/juice to leak out and prevent proper sealing

Citric acid isn't needed for tomatoes and is optional. Most recipes include it, fyi.

There are 2 working canning links in the OP pastebin link.

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took some pictures.

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>>854546

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knautia arvensis

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tragopogon porrifolius

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campsis cutting.

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first seeds germinated from my black nasturtium

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4 feet taproot.

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nicandras growing between my pavement.

>>854557
I'm not sure how big those grow, but you might want to remove them before they damage your pavement

>>854616
they don't get much bigger, and they're annuals anyway.

>>854632

>inb4 cracks because lazy

>>854672
I've got plenty of spare bricks, but that adds character.

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R8 my garden
1/?
Pic related are beans

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>>854675
Squash

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>>854676
Wrong pic. These are my squash

>>854632
Ay plont that tomato soup recipe you gave me was great. Thanks for sharing

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>>854682
I stole it from jamie oliver and changed it a little because I'm lazy.

>>854555
Jesus, how did you manage to get it all out without breaking the root?
If I try to get the weeds out I break the roots every one and then.

>>854714
it was growing in a rotten stump.

>>854675
>huge picture
jesus learn to optimze your pics

I'm wanting to start a small vegetable garden in my backyard. I have next to no experience in gardening though. Do any of you have any beginner tips? Any help would be appreciated.

My first step is to clean out all the overgrown crap. After that, I have plenty of space

>>855038
Stop using a phone in South Africa or Australia.

>>855042
Well it's a pretty broad topic
So tell us first:
Where do you live?
What would you like grow?
What's the soil like? (sandy, clay etc.)
What's the natural light like? Do you have a mixture of sunny spots and shaded areas?

>>854555
holy fuck, that's impressive

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anyone know what species this is?

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>>855086
that's the same plant as >>854555 btw.

also my tomatoes are ripe.

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>>855088
they're pretty big, time to make more soup I guess.

I've come homegrowmen for a long time but today I come in serious need of help. I love gardening, love to grow things, it brings me more enjoyment than about anything else I've found. Im currently in college hoping to study ecosystem restoration. I feel very meh about college. I have 120 acres of family property that was once a farm, about 50 or 60 of that is farm field that we rent to a guy to grow crops in. The other half is 50/50 between woodland and pasture/lawn. Would this be enough land to live on? Considering I could grow hundreds if not thousands of pounds of vegetables, sell what crop I grow in the field, hunt in the woods to suppliment some of my meat, the house runs on a well and can be heated by gas or wood, possibly raise animals in the pasture or just cut it and sell it for hay. We tap maple syrup every year and that brings in some money as well. I know hardly anything about the finances of a farm.

>>853665
I'm not the person you asked, but:

I live in the southwest. I have two options that I can name right now:

https://plantsofthesouthwest.com/
http://shop.nativeseeds.org/pages/seeds

I've talked to people at both places. They both do their best to get seeds from the various indian tribes that still grow a lot of their traditional crops.

That being said, I will still get non-local cultivars and plant them in with stuff that is either localized or stuff that I am localizing. Sometimes it is a failure. Other times, I am pleasantly surprised. I also don't care about cultivar purity when saving seed.

>>853676
That's what I do, and with more than just tomatoes. Just know the plants well enough to avoid inbreeding depression, and you should eventually wind up with a better garden than all of your neighbors. Of course, with tomatoes, you don't really need to worry about inbreeding depression, but seed saving and exchange is a good practice to follow with more than just tomatoes.

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tried to make filled tomato and failed miserably.

>>854374
I've personally found that three sisters timing varies from region to region and cultivar to cultivar. Where I am, and with what I grow, I've found it best to plant everything at the same time. YMMV, but just because some guy in Georgia did well planting his squash when his sweet corn was 12" high doesn't mean that you'll do well in Arizona with flint corn and a different kind of squash. Be flexible to your local conditions.

>>855088
My tomatoes are just now starting to come in ripe. I just canned ~10lbs yesterday, and that's just the beginning.

Aw man. You guys and your tomatoes. Gimme some please.

>>855128
It's a tomato and it's filled.

>>855177
But it doesn't look nice.

>>855178
It looks like food though.

>>855180
It also doesn't look nice.

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can I get some help with plant ID? I'm asking here because /an/ is slow as hell and this is also most certainly a crop

I had a seed mix bag for breadmaking stashed in the cupboard. since it was old I threw it in this pile of dirt. a few weeks later, this has happened. the leaves look like fenugreek but I don't think there was any in my mix. I remember quinoa and sesame being there. they're growing extremely well in the shade.

more pictures incoming

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>>855221

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>>855222

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>>855224
full bush
I have a feeling I've installed a very invasive weed in my garden

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>>855227

>>855221
looks kind of like flat leaf parsley to me

>>855178
>>855201

>That autism

Lemme tell ya what the nicest looking food looks like after you eat it: Shit

Did it taste good? If so, then it was good.

>>855221
I think that's Pseudofumaria.

>>855242
You taste with your eyes before you taste with your mouth. Proper plating and presentation is half the enjoyment.

-3 C forecast for Monday night. Covering the garden is such a pain in the ass. At least its only tomatoes I need to worry about this year.

>>855236
just tried a leaf. it's bitter and doesn't smell herb-y

>>855246
huh
it sure looks like it
where the fuck did it come from? I suspect it had nothing to do with my seed mix and it was the wind

>>855259
No, I'm pretty sure that it is a cold, hard fact that you taste with your taste buds and sense of smell. It all looks like shit after you are done with it.

>>855284
Would you rather A) Eat a plate of delicious food that looks like literal shit or B) Eat a beautiful looking plate of food that tastes mediocre. Most people would choose B.

>>855286
I'm betting that you don't like it when your side dishes touch each other. Don't worry though, my niece is literally on the autism spectrum, and she's the same way.

>He doesn't care when his food touches
Must be nice, having no standards and all.

>>855272
probably just the wind, they're pretty nice plants, they usually grow in crevices in the wall.
>>855284
if it looks like shit your expectations are instinctively lowered and it won't taste as good.

>>853426
keep it out of the sun and setup a small drip system

>>855075
I'm in Louisiana. As for what I'd like to grow, I'm pretty much up for anything. Currently the soil is very muddy and thick. When clearing everything out, I plan to make room for a raised bed. I also have different areas of the yard that get varying degrees of sun throughout the day.

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Mushrooms are growing real fast

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One of the cans doesn't seem to be sprouting. Shitty

>>855367
>back to the roots
>mushrooms
>roots
?

>>855373
its the same company that does the herbs-in-a-can you can see in >>855370

bought them on clearance at home depot, was like 17? dollars for 6 cans and the mushrooms

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Finally! After flowering since may with no results, my eggplant has two fruits growing. I ended up having to personally pollenate them, first 3 times failed. This is success and it feels sweet.

>>855138
Mine started earlier (first ripe cherry ones in early July, San Marzanos a few weeks later, volunteer cherries in August) but luckily not huge amounts at once, though speed has picked up in August, and thanks to the current heat wave even more now.
Always collecting until I have about 3.5-4kg, then mill to remove seeds/skins and boil it down to about 1.5kg (to concentrate and save space).
Used it directly for bolognese sauce, napoli sauce, soup... a few times, but today I'm canning again for the 2nd time
Gotta get me some more glass bottles if the weather stays nice into October

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>>855367
Very nice. Looks like pearl oyster. If you have access to used coffee grounds you can make more mushroom kits. Just put the spent coffee grounds into the freezer in a bag until you have enough to make another kit. Then put the coffee grounds into canning jars with just enough water to get them entirely wet all the way through. Water bath can them, let them cool off, drain them well, poke a 1/4 inch air hole in the lid, cover it with some medical tape so it can still "breath". Mix in some of your old mushroom kit's spawn (that white stuff in the growing medium in the old kit.)

Or, use any kind of container, cardboard box, laundry basket, or plastic bag and inoculate the coffee grounds with the spent mushroom spawn of your old kit without pasteurizing like above. If you can get the mycelium to colonize the coffee grounds fast enough, you'll not have to worry about mold issues. This works, is less work, requires 0 equipment, but there's always a risk of mold. I'd at least bring the coffee grounds just barely to a boil, if that then cool and inoculate.

With either method, you need to maintain the temperate and moisture content just so-so. Too much moisture and it molds over. Not enough and it dries out and dies. You can do the something with straw, paper (shredded is best), or any cellulose-based growing medium. Oyster fungi love it all.

Regardless, you can literally make infinite mushroom kits for the rest of your life by dividing up your 1st kit. If you need sources of coffee grounds, start calling friends, family, and local restaurants/gas stations.

>>855384
Very nice. If you are not familiar, you can pick those at any point you wish, but if they get too large and old they will be tougher. Think of it like a zucchini. There is no "picked too early" for them.

>>855389
that sounds real cool but im pretty limited on space right now

>>855394
Hang them from the ceiling. People hang plants from the ceiling because of that very problem.

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>>855396
>Hang them from the ceiling.

>>855401
woah thats cool

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Picture of some of the stuff wot I done grew. Got impatient and harvested one of the better looking of the 3 giant pumpkins. Also pictured: some of the missus's tomatos, some sweet romano peppers that fell off before they went red and a couple of tiny hungarian hot wax peppers (which are delicious). Cup of tea for scale.

>>855406
Edible pumpkin or just for looks?

>>855560
All pumpkins are edible.

>>855402

Yeah, and it's pretty easy to do too.

>>855401

them some fucked up oysters lol

needs more light and possible air.

>>855406
>some of the missus's tomatos
True blue as well?
>>855402
If by cool you mean something that looks like it's straight out of a horror film, then yes.

>>855602
They flushed in transit in the UPS vehicles. It actually ate most of the magazine with it and the paper packing. It was starting to eat the box on the inside too. That is the second flush. The first one I got since the first one was totally botched. I ended up making about 100 kits from that one though. So, it made up for the loss.

>>855389
you say inoculate, but like what exactly would i do? pick out some of the growing medium and mix it into the new medium?

>>855617
Yes.

Rocket/Roquette/Arugula guy reporting back in

If I let some of them go to seed, how long will it take?
I can see already that some plants are wanting to go to flower. Once I let them go to flower, how long does it take for the plants to form seed pods and to start going brown?

>>855646
>how long will it take?

Not very long really like 10 days to 2 weeks max. I think it depends on the weather and a few other factors as to how fast they develop. Just keep birds from eating the seeds before you harvest, if it is outside.

>>855665
Wow, that's a lot shorter than I thought
I had assumed I'd be waiting around a minimum of 3 weeks.

cheers for the help

>>855668
I'm just going by my own experience. There's like 20 different cultivars. I'm sure they grow and mature at different rates.

>>855584
More precisely, is it a palatable edible? Some pumpkins taste like shit.

>>855259
>You taste with your eyes before you taste with your mouth. Proper plating and presentation is half the enjoyment.
Lmao no
If anything you begin to taste it with your smell, which btw is also not entirely true.

You only like it with your eyes because you're a pleb that requires distraction and to be pleased 24/7
How's your consumerism going?

Looking for some advice on gardening in southern Florida. I just moved here in January of this year. I've tried my hand at collards, broccoli, cauliflower, chili peppers, and various herbs. Regular evening watering and everything but my collards and a few herbs have died. Totally not used to this climate after moving from Maine.

My neighbor keeps telling me that the Florida heat kills almost everything. Any advice, Homegrowmen?

>>855903
Find out what zone you are in and read up on that. Then look for local gardening website, search for whatever county you are in.

>>855903
>gardening in southern Florida

Use raised beds so that you can control the soil makeup and keep it contained so you don't lose any. You need to grow heat-tolerant varieties of standard crops, but also grow tropical crops as well. Pineapples are super easy to grow and banana is pretty easy too.

Also, use the winter months to grow normal crops and especially greens.

Find a horse barn and get horse manure from them for making compost.

Use ollas pots and/or drip hoses for irrigation. Make good use of shade clothes. It is the sun that kills things, not the heat. Otherwise, 90-105F temps where I live would kill everything I have and the humidity is worse than Fl. However, the sun will burn the hell out of everything. So, get some shade clothes.

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can someone help me identify this plant?

Got it from my mom, she says it's from a plant that's been around over ten years and she has no idea what it is anymore.

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I'm
>>856092
Just built this vertical garden.

new to this whole gardening thing, help me plan out my placement. (32 * 16 pockets)

I have:
morning glory, moonflower (these two will climb the poles, better to have both on one or separate?)
Basil
cilantro
thyme
Sage
oregano
Dill
chives
arugula
swiss chard
buttercrunch lettuce
spinach
lolla rosa lettuce
blue vates kale
Dracaena
peace lily
pothos

and the unknown plant from >>856092

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New to all this, found these on only this cucumber leaf.
What are they and do I need to do anything to protect it?

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The growth rate on these is so satisfying

>>856097
I'm afraid those few 15W-looking CFLs won't replace proper sunlight
Can you at least move that rack outside during summer months and close to a southern window in winter?

>>856104
Unfortunately I'm in an apartment so not too much freedom in putting it outdoors. It gets about two hours of real sunlight in the morning though.

Is there a better artificial light option? I run these bulbs about 6 hours a day.

>>856092
Syngonium?

>>856101
Aphids. Destroy them. Use a water hose and spray everything off once/twice a day for a week. Nothing else is really needed.

>>856124
its a patio garden I dont have a hose,
can i just wipe them off with a paper towel or something?

>>856127
Do you have a shower or sink sprayer? Use those. Yes, you can wipe them off.

>>856127
neem oil and a spray bottle

>>856137
If you have access to water there is literally no need to use anything else.

>>856138
>not slowly suffocating the pest that dare touch your plant
>bringing contaminated outdoor plants inside to possible contaminate indoor plants

>>856139
Use a sprinkling can.

>>856092
>>856124
Yep, that's definitely a syngonium.

Hey lads, is there a variety of zucchini that grows relatively upright and doesn't take up much space? I've grown black beauties and they take up huge amounts of space.

>>856228
Bush zucchini. It's...kinda bizarre looking compared to the regular kind. The flowers and fruit just sprout right from the stem near the base.

>>856228
there are but I don't know the exact kinds. you would look for zucchini or squash seeds that say "pole" or "climbing".

I have some little yellow ones going on a fence.

>>856235
That is what I grow mostly. The plant gets about 5 feet in diameter and the fruit get about 3 feet long if you let them go.

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Small update. Cold weather has hit. Nights are in the 40F/4C range. Tomatillo and pumpkin are behind schedule. Tomatoes have been doing well. The cherry tomatoe is still going crazy even though I've not been removing the bottom leaves. I've pulled about 100 hornworm caterpillars off them and fed them to my chickens. I leave the ones filled with parasitic wasp cocoons. The poke weed is doing well.

The giant sunflower seeds turned out to be a mixture of sunflower types, not just giant. A second crop of potatoes has popped up. Asparagus seeds have been harvested. Basil is blooming up a storm as is the purslane. That's a single pumpkin plant in the photos (Dickinson; C. moschata) one of the kind Libby's pumpkin puree is made from. Hopefully, the pumpkins have enough time to ripen before the 1st frost.

>>856254
>one of the kind Libby's pumpkin puree is made from

In case anyone is wondering. They use several types of pumpkins/squash, even though the cans read "100% pumpkin".

Connecticut field pumpkins
Dickinson pumpkins
Kentucky field pumpkins
Boston marrow squash
Golden Delicious squash

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>>856254
Also, someone wanted to see the way I was isolating the welded wire fencing to be used for electric. This is black plastic gas line pipe. The insulators I made with it, keep the wire from touching the metal T-post and wooden landscaping timbers.

>>856117
I'd use LEDs with better wavelengths (blue, red, orange), though it will look as if you're doing 420 from the outside

>>856245
Yeah, I love 'em, but it's a pity you can't save seed from them. The bush thing is a recessive gene that's difficult to get the next generation.

>>856256
Huh, kinda redneck but hell, so long as it works who am I to judge. Is it keeping the critters out?

Once I transplant my mint to a bigger pot, can anyone tell me how long do I have to wait before I could harvest some leaves to use for tea? Don't want to accidentally kill it while it recovers from being transplanted.

>>856566
You can pretty much mow mint every couple weeks without killing it, it'll readily re-shoot

>>856488
Yes, raccoons, opossums, groundhogs, rabbits, and cats. Deer are stopped by another fence. There are no store insulators for this type of application of electrified welded wire. Those animals find ways around the other wire I was using and electrifying.

>>855923
This guy gets it.

June-August is rough. This year with all the rain, most of my plants drowned, then fried in the sun. Many people use those months to clean up/solarize their gardens/care carefully for those well-established plants.

Start sowing cold weather crops nowish (your root vegetables, your greens, ect) if you want them. You can squeeze in a fall harvest of peas/beans too if you get seedlings.

Florida also has an extra concern-- it's too warm for many pests to die off in winter. We have some gnarly bug problems, including grubs and nematodes that you might not see until you pull up a dead plant.

Good luck

>>856117
Running the lights longer can also help.

Pulling up a plant that is a couple months old in order to till in compost, yea or nay?

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>>852879
My basil flowered recently. I didn't know what it was until tonight.

>>856742
Yay as long as it doesnt spread by root easy or is diseased or seeding.

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>plant basil, cilantro, roma tomatoes, sweet peppers, and habaneros in the spring of this year
>this is my second year vegetable growing, last year I got absolutely nothing besides basil

>basil is growing great, but i'm having problems with leaf curl
>cilantro grows like shit, barely got anything out of it
>90% of my roma tomatoes got blossom end rot despite adding calcium to the soil in great quantities and watering appropriately. i probably fertilized too little
>sweet peppers were growing very well until I decided to rotate the pots that the plants were in for the first time in ~2 months (growing on a covered balcony) the other day, which lead to some of my biggest peppers getting sun scald because all of the foliage was pointing in one direction
>most successful are my habaneros, I probably have >100 habaneros ready to be harvested soon

Why did I have to fuck up my sweet peppers, bros? ;_______;

I'm a shit gardener, I read as much as I can and my vegetables still fail

Did everyone struggle like this when starting to grow veggies?

It's disheartening

>>856787
>Did everyone struggle like this when starting to grow veggies?

I don't even know. I've had a few "failures", but I literally don't care, since it is just a learning experience. I only get miffed when it is something else that destroys my stuff like larger animals or stupid people. I don't see much of anything as a failure. I only see it as a learning experience. It is only a failure if I actually give up. Much of those is just about learning what I want to grow. Like 100 pints of canned tomatillos is a failure for me because it turns out that I don't like them canned like that. Or, when I grew cucumbers. Turns out I don't like cucumbers or pickles. Those are my failures. Sun scalding my pineapple plant that die isn't a failure for me, it is just a lesson well learned.

How long is your growing season? I have a shortish one and can get a solid 2 pickings of peppers off mine without trouble. And that's allowing them to go extra long so some of them ripen to red (sweet yellow banana peppers/Hungarian wax peppers.)

>>856789

I live in new england, so it's about to end.

I doubt I'll get any more sweet peppers out of my plants, but I'll rotate them back around in the morning so I don't lose any more of the few peppers they grew.

I think I read that you can winter pepper plants indoors, maybe I'll take my best hab / sweet pepper plant and stuff them into my tiny apartment and try to get more peppers out of them next year.

>>856483
One of the things about inbreeding is that it makes it so that recessive traits get expressed. If too many harmful recessive traits are expressed, you have inbreeding depression and you get retardo plants. With squashes, melons, etc... most of the harmful recessive traits have been eliminated from the population. While I've never actually tried it, I suspect that hand pollinating a female flower with a male one from the same plant should be more likely to produce a bushing plant.

But you are absolutely correct that it is a recessive trait. In the past, I have saved seed from squashes where I neither knew nor cared who the father was, and within two generations, most of it was back to vine type. That was how I figured out that it was recessive. I did go look it up to be sure, but I was kind of surprised at how overgrown my squash beds were getting at first, then shocked when I had these 15' very vigorous vines growing a few weeks later.

>>856791
Yes, I overwintered several of my pepper plants. It gives them a great start for the next season too.

>>856810
Yeah, I had some problems with mine this year, so I'm going to dig up 5 or 6 plants as soon as a frost is forecast and overwinter them so that I can get enough red and green chile for the year.

I had a bumper crop of weed seeds to contend with this year due to literally having double the average precipitation last year, plus when I needed to be out taking care of the weeds, I had to take care of my mom after a major surgery. This fall, I'll be planting winter rye as a cover to hopefully get a handle on the weeds next year. My corn already knocked a lot of the bermuda grass the fuck down this year. Winter rye, followed up by a dense planting of pepper plants should finish it off next year.

>>856810
Do you have to prune them? Mine's come out of winter and it doesn't seem to ne doing much of anything. Kind of looks like it'll only fruit on new growth.

I have spare area around my house with a rich soil and free water supply am thinking of growing garlic, for me and maybe selling to local community or restaurants. What do u thinks its the best to start with? Seeds or cloves of garlic? Also how long till u can harvest them.

I will do my reading and research first of course

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I got this plant for super cheap because the garden centre had damaged it.
Can anyone tell me what it is and if it's possible to save the tallest stalk?

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>>856923

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caterpillars defoliating my basil

>>856930
Purge.

>>856926
>>856923
its a Yucca, they should be outside. If you wanna keep it there, I'd recommend switching it between outside and inside maybe 7 days on 7 days off kind of thing. Dont worry, the top will shoot off fresh again.

>>856815
No, but I pruned mine anyway since I had quite a few pepper plants and not enough room to put them in as 3 feet wide plants.

Stressing the plant will get it to bloom. So, pruning may be a good idea for you.

>>856814
Plant chickweed too. It is the first "weed" to pop up. It makes a thick mat of growth that stops most other weeds from growing through. It is really easy to remove and it is edible. But, yeah, planting stuff close enough to block out weeds is a very good method to control them.

>>856926
>>856933
Not only that, but the garden center was foolish for giving it to you for cheap because of "damage." Those things are tougher than fuck. If you put it in the ground and get it established, you pretty much won't have to take care of it.

You might have to water it after first putting it into the ground. In a year, you won't have to water it. Ever. If you rip it out and don't get all of the roots, it will come back multiple times. They're tough plants.

>>856949
I'm going to stay away from anything that I can't easily kill. The rye can be killed by mowing it after it flowers. I have enough issues with purslane growing as a weed, and that stuff isn't only edible, I also happen to like it. Next year, I will be getting an early start on the weeds by starting several hundred plants in solo cups + cover crops.

>>856966
I leave stuff like that to fill in between the main plants. Purslane is also a good slug and leaf miner trap.

>>856973
Except I don't have slug or leaf miner problems. I can pick the purslane like I do weeds and just throw it on my walkways and I still have more than enough to eat left. My biggest problems are grasses including bermuda, creeping spurge (I get that thicker than you would believe,) and pigweed (red rooted amaranth.) Unfortunately, I don't like the pigweed even though it is edible.

My issue with the weeds is getting my plants established. Once established, they'll out compete the weeds, but early on, the weeds have the edge. That's why I'm going to go the solo cup/cover crop method for next year. The rye is also allelopathic, and will stop smaller seeds from germinating. It's residue will even do this for up to a month after it is killed, so I'm going to get a kickass mulch.

>>856981
You can always try using brown paper as mulch. It comes in wide rolls. Just roll it out and punch holes for your plants. It suppresses weeds long enough for your main plants to act as their own weed guards. Newspaper can also be used, but personally I don't want whatever they use as ink to be around my vegetables. In a flower garden, Newspaper is fine though.

If your area is often rainy, be careful with conventional mulches. They are great breading grounds for slugs. Putting paper under the mulch can also help prevent slug problems to a certain extent (eggs hatching in the soil will have nowhere to get to the surface.)

>>856992
I live in a desert. I had bermuda next to, but not in one of my beds this year, and used a layer of grass clippings, then newspaper, then another layer of grass clippings on it and it did the trick. It was close enough that I couldn't spray it without significant risk to some of my plants, but the multiple layers knocked it back. That stuff is evil, but it does have one natural enemy: Shade.

>>856992
Newspapers are printed with soy ink nowadays, at least here in the USA. Leftover newspapers are safe enough to be used as cattle feed, and safe enough to be used as mulch.

>>856923
>>856926
Yucca elephantipes, often made from stem cuttings so it looks like that
Sometimes the upper portions of that bare stem die but it doesn't matter, those lower side shoots will eventually outgrow it anyway, so if nothing shows up near the top of the naked stem you can saw it off

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>>856961
>put it in the ground
They only tolerate -8°C or so and don't want to be rained on in winter, so this isn't really an option everywhere

I did have to put one in the garden back in March though because it was becoming too large and heavy to carry around any longer
Only zone 8a though and it's not super dry in winter, so I'll probably have to build a huge contraption around it soon.
Still have like 9 more of them in varying sizes, so losing the biggest one wouldn't be nice but bearable

>>857027
Incorrect. They are "soy-based" and still contain everything they had before. The soy used is the soy oil which replaces the mineral oil. Both oils are okay as far as gardening goes. However, it is everything else in the ink that is the problem for gardening.

The largest problem is that each newspaper company use different types of paper and ink. Some are quite fine as vegetable garden mulch while others are rather suspect. Because of this unknown, I prefer to use ink-less paper I know exactly what is in it.

>>857038
>don't want to be rained on in winter
So you can only plant them in places where it literally never rains? What?

>>856789
>Like 100 pints of canned tomatillos is a failure for me because it turns out that I don't like them canned like that

Fuck I can relate, I had a huge carrot crop this year, I used a lot for salads and slaw, but I decided to try and pickle half of them, turns out I fucked up the recipe and they tasted like shit

Was so pissed I went balls out and used my remaining crop of carrots, it was dumb, but now I know

>>857093
They're originally from (sub)tropical Guatemala and Yucatan/Mexico, there it's always warm enough (no real winter) so the yucca is in the growth season all year and the rain can evaporate again quickly enough
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A9rida,_Yucat%C3%A1n#Climate

While here it will often stick on the plants forever because it's rather cold (January highs around 5°C), those growth tips additionally really retain moisture well - so they'll rot away
I had all of my potted yuccas outside all winter except for 5 cold days, and those that stood especially shitty and rain-exposed (e.g. where the roof of a pavilion drained), many growth tips rotted. They all eventually recovered in spring though luckily, so it's not as bad as when it happens to palms (usually means they're kill) but they will look shitty for a while
Interestingly I also have 3 Phoenix canariensis that were treated the exact same way as the yuccas over winter, and they didn't mind the rain at all
To be fair last winter was rather wet here (203mm of rain from November to March)

TL;DR *Some* winter rain is alright (the warmer, the more will be tolerated), you don't have to live in a desert

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2 part question

1. Is this red clover?

2. If it is how would I go about propagating it?

>>856923
Nice yucca and nice rokits lad.

>>857189
>1. Is this red clover?
looks like it
>propagating it?
dont propagate it, just wait for the heads to start to shrivel up, pick off one of the flowers and break it apart (by rubbing your fingers is fine) and there should be little reddish round seeds. if they're not developed wait a few more days, if they are, grab the whole head and save the seed and just sew it where you want it.

>>857101
lol

One year I ground the carrots up using an antique food chopper then pressure canned them. They are pretty good....if you want 1 pint of ground carrots for something (carrot cake and stews!) Since then I got a food dehydrator. The carrots and tomatillos seem to be best dehydrated. I use the dehydrated carrots a lot now and I don't have to open a large container of them and have it ruin if I don't use it all immediately. I also have a vacuum sealer for canning jars I can use at any time to reseal stuff.

>tfw there's 20ish jars of terrible vegetable stew still lurking in my pantry somewhere.

>>856933
I've not got a garden. I live in an apartment. Surely if they're as tough as everyone says they are then it will be able to deal with consistent 22°C and bright, indirect sunlight? Thanks or the tip though.
>>857031
>>857226
thanks
>>857038
that's a dope looking plant bro

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>>857496
Thanks, hope it'll make it into the next season.
I remember I still have this old as fuck mobile pavilion lying around somewhere, should be big enough and make a nice rainshield

From your pic here >>856923 it looks like it's too far away from the window though, put it as close as possible to it (but not the room corner adjacent to the window, those places are even darker) and as suggested above, rotate the plant every few weeks
If you leave it dark, you'll end up with one of those poor leggy things that almost every second office room here seems to have
Got one which is inside year-round too

Within the span of a couple days, quite a lot of my squash plant's leaves have just up and fallen off. The leaves towards the end of the vines seem to be fine, but the vine is like three or four feet long now from where it exists the ground, and at least half of that length has no leaves at all.

What could cause that? Do birds eat leaves? There's been a lot of bird activity in my yard.

What fun! I've been growing sweet romano peppers and hungarian hot wax peppers... I noticed a few of the plants in my sweet romano pot were looking odd (long, but not as bulky or wide as the other plant). I pulled one today and gave it a taste, and it's got some of the hungarian hot wax heat! Never intended to do any cross-breeding, but now I've got a mildly spiced but still very sweet pepper - I've got a couple of them, probably enough for a good sweet chili salad with a bit of heat.

>>857578
My pumpkin plant has done the same. I suspect it might just be the life cycle of the plant, but I'm not sure. The new growth looks fresh and nice (and is expanding all over the patio) but the original growth is all withering and dying, with the stem system being very woody.

>>857585
Can I pick up the end of the plant and curve it back over where its bare stem is now? It's starting to reach pretty far and I dislike the fact that it isn't even using so much of the ground it's crossed.

>>857588
Yeah you might be able to. So long as you're careful and don't over-bend and cause damage to the stems

When a plant's leaves start turning brown, or the leaf's stem is broken to the point it's unusable, is it better to slice the leaf off, or just leave it alone?

>>857274
Pressure canning is nice, but I prefer dehydrating my food. Less work, and cherry tomato chips flavored with salt, oil and basil are great snacks. Toss 'em whole into soups for chunky texture, or powder beforehand for smooth flavor. Tasty and versatile.

>>857578
Towards the end of the season, squashes tend to do that. Especially winter squash like pumpkins. It's a sign that the fruit is nearly done ripening, though you may want to wait until after the first frost to pick. Some squashes get sweeter after the frost.

>>857619
>It's a sign that the fruit is nearly done ripening
Well fuck, mine doesn't even HAVE any fruit.

I've seen plenty of female flowers with little baby squashes at their base, but none of the ones I pollinated with male flowers ever turned into actual squashes. They just withered and fell off the vine.

>>857593
You can remove it. It will reduce possibility of fungal infections later on. It also removes hiding places for some pests.

>>857578
Possibly vine borer.

>>857593
You missed a 10/10 opportunity for a pun there and I'm disappointed in you, Anon.

>>857634
Well fuck, that's not good. You check for borers? Those can REALLY fuck up your plants, otherwise I dunno what to tell you man.

>>857708
Vine borers present as holes in the vine, right? I'll look later today.

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>>857871
I caught more, but instead of feeding them to my chickens, I decided to put them in a garlic bag, hang them up, and let the parasitic wasps find them.

>>857873

Found the psycho

>>857875
If I take away the wasps food, there will be less wasps to catch the much younger caterpillars. If I keep the caterpillars around, but prevent them from eating, the wasps will multiply exponentially. The explosion of new parasitic wasps will eat much younger caterpillars I've yet to find, before the caterpillars do even more damage.

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>>857871
>>857873
>>857882
Glorious.

>>857882

Premeditated psychotic tendencies

>>857892
How is trying to find the best way to deal with pests psychotic?

My roommate forgot to water my plants while I was gone. RIP coffee tree, beans, some funky flower and tomatoes.

In the survivors, I count some basil and mint. These are in pretty pitiful state... I tool some "good looking" twigs and put them into water to start making roots.

The thing is that I am in eastern Asia so after the typhoons stop, fall will begin. Should I put my cloned twigs into the pots or would I be better off waiting for mid fall and start winter vegetables such as spinach and radishes?

>>857935
That's a very complex topic. I will say that a sign of a serial killer is serial killers often torture small animals prior to starting on humans. It is a natural consequence of dealing with pests where your ancestor's survival depended on being ruthlessness. Sometimes against critters, sometimes against other humans. We all have to kill to survive.

>>858019
That sucks. Next time, use a watering system that has a delayed release.

Do you have a shortage of pots? If not, go ahead and plant your "twig" cuttings when they start developing roots. If you don't have enough pots, get more! Otherwise, just plant what you want to eat according to your needs.

>>858058
That's not torture though, that's using live food to feed beneficial insects. It is the same thing as planting flowers that attract beneficial insects. Using the method in >>857873 means other more drastic measures wouldn't need to be taken. Like pesticide spraying that can have collateral damage to beneficial insects.

Perhaps you are projecting and/or humanizing the caterpillars a bit too much? That says a lot about you; which also isn't good.

>>858019
>basil and mint
Huh, weird that the most moisture-demanding ones would survive out of all

>>858197
Perhaps you didn't understand my post, which says a lot about you, which also isn't good.

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Can anyone tell me whats happening to my sweet corn? Just became like that almost overnight.

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As I was cutting the dead leaves away from my squash vine, I found five or six larvae which appear to be borers.

A great majority of the plant is dead already, but there are some surviving leaves at the end of it, and some new growth at the base.

How do I counteract squash borers once they're in the plant? I'm certain there are more than just what I found.

>>858280
>How do I counteract squash borers once they're in the plant? I'm certain there are more than just what I found.

Wire coat hanger. Run it up the holes to kill them. That's about all you can do.

I've been trying to research whitewash paint, milk paint, and combinations thereof. I want to try it on the stems/vines of the plants in order to prevent vine borers, isopods, slugs/snails, and caterpillars from harming those sections of the plant. I just need to settle on a recipe version that won't kill the plant, be harmful when washed off/composted, and still offer protection.

>>858228
Not enough nitrogen, due to being too wet?

>>857875
>>857892
>>858058
>>858225
Found the troll.

>>858289
>Run it up the holes to kill them
You mean the holes where they chewed into the plant, with the foamy orange stuff around them?
Also, should I attach anything to the end of the hangar to give it a larger contact area? The insides of my vines are pretty large, the coat hanger itself might pass a borer without touching it.

>I've been trying to research whitewash paint, milk paint, and combinations thereof. I want to try it on the stems/vines of the plants in order to prevent vine borers, isopods, slugs/snails, and caterpillars from harming those sections of the plant. I just need to settle on a recipe version that won't kill the plant, be harmful when washed off/composted, and still offer protection.
Let us know if you have any success.

>>858298
Just ram any wire you can up alone the hole through the stem to jab and kill the grub. Use common sense to do what you need to do.

>>858202
I was also surprised to see the small tree (1 year and half) die whereas the mint survived. Well, "survived" means that even though the leaves dried out, it was able to start showing green again after I watered them (new sprouts from dried "wood" and the soil)
>>858197
I have pots but I'm short on space. I started using a rack on the balcony.

>>856256
That was me! Sweet job. Nice thinking.

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Brit-bong here.

My family has a group of trees which i believe are nut trees.

I have attached pictures of the nuts and the flower. I cant identify it using google

First up is the flower

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>>858439
this is the nut

>>858439
>>858441
Whatever that is, it's definitely neither walnut nor hazelnut nor chestnut
I'm not really a taxonomy pro, but to me it looks like it could be something from the rose family (Rosaceae)

>>858527
>>858439
>>858441
After a quick further research, it appears to be
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mespilus_germanica

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>>853827
...and after 14 days, I finally get to see a second sprout (it wasn't there just a couple hours ago, those things go fast in the beginning!), so this makes the germination rate 2/5 as of now. Not too bad for self-saved seeds, but could be better.
I'll continue the test until at least the end of September, maybe 1 or 2 more will sprout

Hey guys not new to /out/ but new to these threads, so in a few years I'm going to move up in the Greek mountains where we have a bunch of space to grow my own food which I've always wanted to do, I'm big on eating healthy as well. However when that time comes I don't want to be a total newbie to it and have all my crops die because I'm a total dipshit. Right now I live at a similar place but a little warmer, and I was thinking of planting some things in my balcony, just so I can learn how to do it and care for it since I've grown anything except for beans in cotton in elementary school. My balcony faces south, should I just put a couple tomatoes or something? any tl;dr for growing from seeds (my grandma had amazing seeds for anything edible) to harvest?
P.S. I know I sound like a dumb fuck but I really wanna get into it, even if it's baby steps.

>>858864
Go for local crops/plants you'd like eating everyday once you harvest them. That's what I did with my rosemary and mint. I love using them for tea. I don't have much space available so it makes me jelly of that mint dude with his wicked tea making setup I saw here a few threads back.

Research which will fit in your designated 'garden' space, is the easiest, and low maintenance for you to grow. Also check out which pest/disease they're vulnerable to and make a treatment plan in advance for those accordingly.

>>858864
I imagine there to be very rocky soil, plus incline adding to fast drainage, right? If so that sounds challenging. Look around first what others grow there in the area, I'd start with simple things, like drought tolerant herbs such as rosemary, oregano, thyme... first. Figs, olives and pomegranates should do well too. You can either just buy the plants or start from seed or cutting, but especially for the trees they'll take years to first harvest

>>858869
Thanks for the info. I will follow your advice. any infographic images or such to help me get started?

>>858870
Eveyone up here grows tomatoes, a lot of beans, zuccini, herbs, potatoes and onions. The soil is rocky but pretty fertile. I guess the first step is tomatoes and herbs, maybe onions too, or are there beans I can grow that do not have to grow to 5-6 feet tall?

>>858872
>are there beans I can grow that do not have to grow to 5-6 feet tall?

Plenty of dwarf bean varieties that will stay under 1 foot and still give a decent crop.

>>858881
awesome I'll look how those do in my conditions. Btw about the drought thing someone mentioned, it rains at least every other day here apart from the summer, and it might snow for a few days on and off in the winter.

>>858872
>Wahhh, I want my beans to grow short, even though I have 12km of sky to grow them in!

In all seriousness, you could try the 3 sisters method of growing corn, climbing beans and cucurbits together as a start, all it needs is a bit of prep and timing and you should do well out of it.
Both climbing and bush/dwarf beans are in season in many parts of the south hemisphere now and are pretty foolproof; you can also chop them into the soil before they fruit to increase soil nitrogen and fixing bacteria.

>>858885
sorry bro, I'm still talking, like my original post, about growing just a little something in my balcony to learn how to care for plants so I can, when I move up there, have an actual garden. Can't have big plants in my balcony because of space. I'll try a couple tomato plants and dwarf beans as someone suggested.

>>858895
In that case, I'd go for shallow rooting plants that take up little space and are (of course) in season.
Here's a link that might give you some ideas:
http://eartheasy.com/raised-beds-soil-depth-requirements.html
Growing in the ground is always best for anything that's not invasive, but doing a small container garden will give you a chance to learn indispensable skills like growing from seed, transplanting and fertilising your plants properly and more.

Also, check out the Utah State University extension service for good info on how to look after specific plants; it saved me a lot of trial and error and is free of charge.

>>858901
Thanks for the info man, from your link and googling it looks like this late the best things to plant are brocolli, spinach and leaf lettuces so I'll start with those I guess, which is great since I eat either brocolli or spinach with every meat dish I make, and lettuce with every fish dish.
I'm actually excited to grow and eat something of my own.

>>858916
Now's also the time (at least here) for winter onions, they take very little care
Don't know if they'd work in containers though

>>858919
I guess I could harvest them early, as green onions.

Squash borers must need air to live, right?

Do you guys think it'd be possible to drown the borers inside a squash plant by filling the vine's hollow insides with water? Would being filled with water hurt the vine?

>>858979
There's never been a surefire way to kill the vine borers while saving the plant without use of man-made pesticides.

Give it a try, it won't do further damage. I'm betting you'd need to completely submerge it. Although, have a pair of tweezers ready. The grub will more than likely back out to the entrance to get air. Grab it then.

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I just finished planting asparagus seeds and cleaning some tomato seeds (pic). Fall is winding up, but I'm ready for spring.

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Anyone doing algae intentionally? It's Ok if not... just curious. This is a very recently assembled 6 strain table so not very green or glowing yet.

Seawater bitches on the left. Alkaline fresher waters and higher temp stuff on the right.

I'm also going to be trying to get 5+ spanish moss columns to survive the winter here and slowly help them invade this area if at all possible.

>>859261
Hopefully you get arrested.

>>859273

Why?

>>859261

As a fellow aspiring low tier supervillain, I salute you.

Hey I germinated some seeds and one had that white root threaded through the paper towel so I had to rip it out and now it's growing nicely. My question is the seed is split and there is this white mass and what looks like a small tendril coming out, can I grow another plant from the same seed? I'm guessing the main seed thought its first efforts failed so it's trying again.

>>859316
>My question is the seed is split and there is this white mass and what looks like a small tendril coming out
That's most likely the actual plant itself.

Seeds don't just sprout a second taproot out of the blue.

How do I properly overwinter capsicum chinense? I've grown annuum for the past couple of years by just leaving them outdoors but my chinense plants died when I did the same thing with them.

>>859391
>>859316
Might've been a citrus, I got 2 out of one seed as well, they're often polyembryonic

>>858533
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mespilus_germanica
>>858533

Thanks

>>859431
Neat. Nice finally knowing why I got the same results on my calamondin.

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>>858620
#3 on its way!
Weird how the times are so spread out

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>>859261
Floridafag here, why would you want to introduce spanish moss anywhere? It looks like a giant spider webbed all over a tree 40+ years ago and no one ever cleaned it up. I mercilessly destroy any that ends up in my yard. Tried to google a good example, but everything on google looks great... it's not like that when it's your yard and your shrubbery has moss, not some 200 year old oak or cypress in the bayou.

Curious as to why you grow algae... is it for a purpose, or pure aesthetic?