Climate Change

>>823695
>how should we fix it
no fixing you fucktard!

we are in an ice age for one so it's not even a good idea global warming by man is beneficial to the entire biosphere.
earth periodically gets so hot that it almost becomes a desert planet and gets so cold that ice covers everything almost to the equatorial belt.

so man is stabilizing this shit. it's actually almost like terraforming quiet awesome.

>>823706
it seems like everything is fucking melting so I don't see how we're stabilizing it.

"fix" it?

the earth has been changing long before the existence of humans, and will continue to do so long after we're all dead

>>823706
We'd still have shitty rivers.

>>823706
>>823716
the only problem with that is, it's gonna be brutal for us. Everyone will be fighting for resources in a few decades.

>>823715
permanent ice cover on poles = ice age.

the temperature fluctuates a lot on earth surface learn about glacial periods and you will realize mankind barely does anything to the climate. maybe it will be barely enough to prevent a mass extinction event tho.

We're pretty fucked.

Humans simply aren't going to willingly pass up a cheap energy source.

My running assumption has been that every oil and natural gas resource will be exhausted, until they become more expensive than the alternatives.

>>823727
>My running assumption has been that every oil and natural gas resource will be exhausted, until they become more expensive than the alternatives.
well we are finding new fossile fuel fields at a faster rate than we deplete them for now. so maybe your great grand kids gonna have to worry about that.

>>823729
Here's a tip, don't buy beachfront property.

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>>823706
>so man is stabilizing this shit.
Here, have a life raft.

it gets hot, it gets cold, that's how life works

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>>823695
Fake

Trump2016

>>823695
Electric Earth. Planetary/solar expansion event + electromagnetic field fluctuations on both levels catalyzed by cyclical(!) passage of parent star through Galactic Equinox. Shit's normal, good in the long-run and necessary; electric celestial bodies need to re-charge through regular radiation-exposure otherwise it's coma weakens and it stops producing new elements. Don't fret; it is out of your control.

>>823736
>The last glacial period was the most recent glacial period within the current ice age, occurring in the Pleistocene epoch, which began about 110,000 years ago and ended about 15,000 years ago.[1] The glaciations that occurred during this glacial period covered many areas of the Northern Hemisphere and have different names, depending on their geographic distributions: Wisconsin (in North America), Devensian (in Great Britain), Midlandian (in Ireland), Würm (in the Alps), Weichsel (in northern central Europe), and Llanquihue in Chile. The glacial advance reached its maximum extent about 18,000 BP. In Europe, the ice sheet reached northern Germany.

trust me you don't want the earth to cool down much in the next hundred thousand years or so.

nothing i can do about it
nothing my country can do about it even if i vote for the most authoritarian ecomaniacs, so why even bother, i just like the outdoors man, why you gotta be like that

>>823695
>What does /out/ think of climate change and how should we fix it?
it is real, but what makes you think "we" could fix it?
first "we" would have to understand ALL aspects of climate.
then TRY to agree on a plan of action by who?
the government...yeah right, try again.
the fact that people think that we can fix the problem is more arrogant than the fools who act like the problem doesn't exist.

https://earth.nullschool.net/

>>823719
Well quit pooping in them then?

>>823801
10/10

>>823960
>the fools who act like the problem doesn't exist.
climate change exists.
but it's clearly not a problem.

in fact it's pretty natural for earth to change the global climate.
when we get out of this ice age maybe i will start to worry about mans effect on global warming.

We should stop the volcanoes and earthquakes while were at it !

>>823706
Good b8 m8

>>823768
It's just another liberal hoax

>>824213
>but it's clearly not a problem.
how can pumping billions of tons of pollution into the atmosphere not be a problem?
i'm no tree hugger, but goddamn i'm not blind either.

>>824378
>pumping billions of tons of pollution into the atmosphere
co2 levels are much lower than in most of earths history we can handle much much more.
and in terms of a couple of hundred thousand years mankinds effect on the planet is insignificant even negligible. don't over-hype this shit. the earth can shoot a hundred billion times the toxins into the atmosphere in a single day than what mankind produced so far. and it can also take it out.

the one big scare was the ozone hole but seems like earth is fixing itself just fine. it was a realization just in time and the actions taken to preserve the planet were sufficient. could take a couple of hundred years for it to clear all up. but what is that to the billions?

>>824343
read about this stuff mein negro, it's not bait science has spoken

Climate change deniers should be lined up against a wall and shot, and I hope that happens when the sea starts swallowing our cities. I don't want to share my rations with traitors.

At this point, I think the best course is to prepare for "business as usual" scenarios. So far no countries have come up with a reasonable plan to curtail emissions.

The US is developing plans for mitigation and adaptation. I think the largest opportunities for mitigation is developed countries funding cleaner development in poor countries. Developing countries aren't going to stop and if they do it with fossil fuels then it will mean much more adaptation will be required.

The biggest impacts will be in poor countries that do not have the money to adapt to the changing climate such as "increasingly intense extreme events, shifting zones for agricultural crops, and rising sea levels". Impacts in countries like the US will most likely come in the form of increased spending on infrastructure for coastal defense, water treatment/reclamation/desalination etc.

Anyone who wants to learn a bit more about this ought to spend some time reading the National Climate Assessment.
http://nca2014.globalchange.gov/report

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>>824411
I don't care about the effects on the planet, I just don't want to breathe it

>>823801
underrated post

Focus not on making gas prices go down but on improving the efficiency of renewable energy so that it becomes gradually more valuable in the longer run. In this case, while energy companies and government infrastructure allow gas, oil, and coal prices to rise, people will begin investing and spending their money on more efficient means of power and transportation, which will further fuel the business of renewable energy to progress faster than non-renewables.

>>826702
>At this point, I think the best course is to prepare for "business as usual" scenarios

Its hard to have a contingency plan for what could happen though. Sure sea levels rise and we lose a few cities and build new ones further inland, nbd apart from a few hundred million dead.

But there's so many things that we don't know about which could fuck up our entire biosphere. Its hard to plan for the worst if the worst case scenario is "the oceans might stop producing 85% of the oxygen in our atmosphere"

>>824411
>co2 levels are much lower than in most of earths history we can handle much much more.
No we cant.
Yeah, most of earth's history has seen high co2 levels, in which cases the earth was ruled by primitive sea-creatures, giant arthropods, and dinosaurs and their cousins. Humanity cannot continue to exist with high co2 levels, and neither can most of the life on modern earth because it has adapted to a world wherein co2 levels have declined hugely over its geological history for 60 million years or so.

>>826731
dude when co2 levels are rising the sea warms up warm sea can take up more co2 it balances out. if you knew how much co2 and methane taken from the atmo are in the seas you would shit your pants.

>>826716
then stop breathing i guess

>>826727
heavily taxin gas should be sufficient long term solution. it's already on here btw.

>>827261
The more CO2 that is taken up by the ocean the more generation of carbonic acid. Scientists are predicting some pretty grim results from Ocean Acidification.

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Where I live we have a few very accessible glaciers. People started to notice old tree stumps being exposed as the glaciers receded. What happened, according to scientists who commented about it, thousands of years ago the glacier receded and a forest grew, then the glaciers advanced and mowed over the forest, then the glacier receded and exposed the dead wood. They carbon dated the wood to between 3000 and 8000 years old because it had happened several times. I took this pic myself

tl;dr earth has been warming and cooling for a long time.

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>>823720
>Everyone will be fighting for resources in a few decades.

It will be glorious.

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>>827291
Here's some more

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>>827295
This was a weird one. The dead trees were stuck on the side of this cliff. It's in the center of the pic.

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>>827296
I grabbed some of the wood. It looks like driftwood except it's a lot denser.

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>>827300
I started to try and make beads out of some of it but it turned out bad. I need a mini lathe. I thought it would be neat to have an 8000 year old necklace. People would say "what's that ugly necklace you're wearing" and I'd say "it's made out of 8000 year old wood" and they'd go "um..ok"

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>>823801

>>823768

Several times a week, DiCaprio flies thousands of miles in his private jet from his place in LA to that private island he owns. Then he lectures us on turning off our air conditioning to lower our carbon footprint.

I actually do believe in climate change (though it changes quite a bit on its own as well as what we do to it). But this bullshit from assholes who make millions telling us not to live like they do really lowers my capacity to care.

If everyone who believed in global warming acted to lower their own carbon footprint, it wouldn't matter what the deniers did.

>>824343

It's not bait. Carbonists really believe this.

>>826671

A few years after they start doing that, we'll be able to start doing that to socialists. So I think this is a great idea.

The scary thing about climate change is that it exists on a scale so much larger than humanity that once we fuck it up enough that even deniers realize it's happening it'll have too much momentum to stop in time before we all go extinct. If you want to shit post about it on an anonymous internet boards go ahead just know that your being a pathetic manchild who cared more about dank memes and /pol/tarding than the human race.

>>827265
The USA would be a much nicer place to live if gas was $8/gallon, regardless of global warming

>>827287
life always finds a way anon
remember the girl dinos that grew a dick?

>>827374
>Carbonist
the fuck is that?

Climate change is a totally bullshit buzzword. The Earth is in charge, not us. Sure, you can make note of changes in our climate. Okay. Sure. Makes sense. We are en ecosystem, of course.

I desperately want my next paragraph to work. I want it to happen and in order for us to utilize clean and renewable energy properly we NEED to have half the world uninhabitable. Well, not half, just large 100+ mile segments that are within a days travel of europe.

Places on earth become uninhabitable. Suddenly we have VAST portions of high energy(hot and humid or windy) areas with ZERO life. What should we do? BUILD RENEWABLE ENERGY ON A MASSIVE SCALE. Now the places humans can visit are total utopias and nobody wanted to go to Africa anyways, in fact, we could use a few dead arabs and africans. We win from all sides with climate change.

We would actually become so clean and renewable we would HAVE to be dirty on purpose to maintain the uninhabitability of our energy production areas.

>>827527
>The last 100,000 years have seen some of the coldest times in the 500 million that have elapsed since the Ordovician period. These 100,000 years form less than 1/1000th of the intervening 500 million years.
>Oddly, they're the same 100,000 years that Homo Sapiens Sapiens has existed on Earth.
>Clearly, the biosphere has reached a point of crisis. The relatively stable processes of self-regulation that have worked for the past hundreds of millions of years have reached the limit of their ability to correct.
>In response to the impending crisis, Gaia evolved a solution. At the edges of the ice sheets that flowed down over the northern hemisphere during the last ice age, Gaia brought it to fruition: a short term corrective process designed to restore the natural balance of free carbon dioxide in the biosphere.
>Man.

kek i think i found it
http://www.beyondweird.com/occult/carbonmf.html

>>827581
Holy kek

>>827581
I will make sure never stop the engine and floor it at green light.

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Sucks dick because I hate the heat.

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Arguing about climate change when yall dont even know the shape of earth

>>829650
it's not round or flat i know that

>>823706
>the world goes to extreme highs and lows all the time
The planet is covered by plants and animals that evolved in their specific region/geography over millions of years. How would any species, say, in arizona, evolved to live in a hot desert climate if it should have been covered in ice every so often.
Something doesn't add up.

The issue stems from thinking that climate change is something that's "manageable". It's a train of thought that got us into this mess, the assumption that humanity is completely rational and has god-like characteristics. The interstellar wet dreams of cybernetic technocrats will be extinguished as suddenly as the descent of Icarus.

>>829799
>over millions of years
what? it takes 30-50 years for a species to die out or a new species to appear under evolutionary pressure. even right before our very eyes new species appear better suited to an ecological niche then their parent species.

the wolf-coyote hybrid, the polar-bear-grizzly hybrid the hawaian crickets that stopped making noise even fucking house cats can be hybridized with wild cats and that's some leap.

species are not that clear cut and well defined as lexicons make them out to be anyways.

in a few hundred years the earth biosphere could change more than you can imagine let alone thousands.

>>829813
not to mention fuking migration, most species did not fully evolve where they can be found today they just adapted.

>>829805
As well as an incredible amount of hubris in thinking that we are anything more than ants to this planet and that we can "destroy the earth" to any significant degree in the long-term.

save money, buy guns, buy land in the projected fertil places of the future.
i think there is a shit storm coming and our great grandchildren will experience it.

>>829815

That's literally what's happening bro

Sources

Yes, the Earth changes all the time, but usually over geologic timescales. Human activity is significant and rapid enough to create a new geologic epoch (general overview):

http://anr.sagepub.com/content/2/3/196

Unprecedented changes (and unknown or unquantifiable impacts) in the athropocene:

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/347/6223/1259855

Specific example, last year we reached higher greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere than at any point in the last 2,000,000 years:

http://phys.org/news/2013-05-carbon-dioxide-atmosphere-historic-high.html

Whatever climate change occurs now, cannot be reversed for over 1,000 years, and likely hundreds of thousands of years:

http://www.pnas.org/content/106/6/1704.abstract

Humans may be the cause of the sixth major mass extinction event in the history of life on Earth:

http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/1/5/e1400253

>>829920

>But George Carlin said-

Yes, it's a nice rant, but it doesn't prove shit, and it's not even a well-argued piece of logic.

>The Earth will "fix" itself

Great! I'm glad that our biodiversity is strong enough that eventually, in a few hundred thousand or million years, we will return to a highly biodiverse world. Of course, it's a world where generalists become the predominant form of life on Earth, like cockroaches, flies, jellyfish and the like. Wait, why do we like to go /out/ again?

>scientists are actually really corrupt and stupid! They don't know anything!

Ok

>>823960
this

>>823695
There should be a global tax on red meat. Cattle are the leading cause of global warming and a massive tax will reduce their consumption. Also, electric cars should be mandatory, no exceptions.

>>829980
>Also, electric cars should be mandatory, no exceptions.
bit extreme...why not make walking mandatory, fag car lover.

>>827370
But this bullshit from assholes who make millions telling us not to live like they do really lowers my capacity to care.


well thats the problem, you should care. it shouldnt take millions of dollars to convince you that you should care

>>829980
>There should be a global tax...massive tax
democrat detected.

the lesson here is simple - life is a miracle, the earth is too. treat it as such. don't dismiss it. or yeah, we will get crushed like ants.

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>>830040
>we will get crushed like ants.

We have to eliminate this so called "life" and its ally the Earth. We will not fail!

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>>829980
>Also, electric cars should be mandatory, no exceptions.
And where does that electricity come from m8?

>>827388
>it'll have too much momentum

It already has too much momentum. The question is whether we'll have severe negative effects within this generation or outside of it. If the clathrate gun is correct, you could be starving to death with fellow anons within a couple of decades.

We as individuals can't do much to mitigate at this point apart from getting an education and attempting to tackle future climate issues. Universal government policy is the only thing that can "slow-down" the inevitable.

>>827388
what a whiney faggot.

you don't seem to realize that earth goes between more severe climate changes regularly and doesn't give one fuck about humans.

trying to preserve the current ecosystem at all cost is like trying to preserve the mammoth and the sabre tooth tiger and the dinos.

things change. they change a lot faster then most think. evolution is going on right before us. we can actually observe it in our lifetime.

>>830040
>we will get crushed like ants.
ants are probably one of the species easily outliving humans tho roaches will die out before ants.

Turn off the volcanoes, thatd be a great start.

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>>829650
i don't understand what that's supposed to prove. i assume it's some flat earth thing, but i fail to see its relevance.

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>>829920
>Humans may be the cause of the sixth major mass extinction event in the history of life on Earth:
>Humans may be the cause of the sixth major mass extinction event
>sixth major mass extinction event
>sixth
>mfw
wake me when we're top 3 of anything

>>827388

Google "medieval warming period"

The climate constantly changes. It'll be a pain in the ass, maybe, but the earth has been much hotter and and much colder at different points just in the past thousand years.

This end of the world shit is just scare tactics.

>>830037

Point being that DiCaprio pumps out thousands of times as much CO2 as I do. He may say he cares, but he doesn't act like he cares.

In fact, if you look at the global warming activists, none of the people who say it's a crisis act like they think it's a crisis.

>>823706
lol. absolute shill.

>>823695
it's real but not catastrophic.

Agents from various countries have infiltrated western nations and spread climate change dread to undermine their manufacturing and energy production.

There's saudi implants in Alberta right now trying to derail oilsands development.

>>830697
what do i shill exactly? there is nothing to sell i only told you all that "fixing" the planet is retarded especially right now right in this state global warming is the least of our concern.
pollution is more problematic but in a thousand years not gonna be an issue for earth in all seriousness.

>>823695

It's 100% made up bullshit.


And if it was real it's already too late, it's in runaway mode, not a goddamned thing you can do will make a difference for the planet. Find the rich motherfuckers responsible for it and make sure their offspring don't survive.

>>831211
>it's in runaway mode
why don't you read before you write
global warming is not in runaway mode at all

>>823695
Climate change is just the latest attempt at UN taxation.
If you'd been alive and paying attention they've been trying this in one form or another since the '70's. Same shit different packaging.
The truth is the Earth fluctuates. Like Siberia has permafrost now, that used to be North America. There was a polar shift, NA thawed, Siberia froze. By the evidence of the recent mammoth find it was quite sudden and violent.
The mammoth was found to have undigested flowers that only grow in a temperate region in it's stomach. Also, both it's hips were broken as if it were hit with a shock wave and killed and frozen, completely through, instantly. Do you understand the implication? It has to be pretty fucking cold to freeze a mammoth through, all at once, before the bacteria in the stomach can break down the flowers that were just growing on a summer day.

Climate change is a lie.

>>829799
They move south, north, east, and west to a more suitable climate. It takes thousands of years for ice to advance or recede. Or, they die out and new species evolve to fill in the gaps. Species may die out but entire ecological niches rarely die out due to an ice age, unless it's a Snowball Earth type thing. So there will always be many types of desert adapted plants, just fewer than there were before, and new ones will replace the ones that died in a matter of thousands of years.

>>829813
The examples you gave are due to man made influence. New species dont appear in 50 years under natural circumstances. But since global warming is manmade, and is happening so quickly, what you said might apply, where you have more hybrids of species because the environment was radically altered so quickly.

>>823706
We don't fully know what we are doing to the weather. We know we are increasing the speed of cooling/heating. We definitely arent stabilizing anything given that climate scientists are saying storm patterns are getting more out of hand. We are getting g worse at predicting storms. So let's not use the word stabalize

>>831817
>storm patterns are getting more out of hand
yeah we have such a long history to compare them like 50 years or so. nah... doesn't matter much anyways.
stabilize means earth won't fucking cool down so much we all have to migrate to the equator and won't become a desert planet. who gives a shit about storms?

Every time I see more bleached coral I get more and more depressed. So many ecosystems are fucked, especially ocean biospheres.