Is this a better /out/tier map?

No, you've just lowered the standards.

>>769994
Not really.

Post yours though

>>769987
The map is shit. I live in NM, and there is a lot of /out/ stuff to do here. You just have to be willing to go off of the beaten path. Hell, even staying on the beaten path, we beat most states on /out/ stuff. We have 87 listed mountain ranges for fuck's sake.

>>770019
Its not like i made it shit tier. Get a hold of yourself. Do you really think its on the same level as Montana?

>>770023
Have you ever been through backwoods NM? Do you really think it's not on the same level as Montana?

>>769987
>NY shit tier
>AZ shit tier
>NM shit tier
>TX shit tier
>MN shit tier

This map was made by some ignorant fuck who has no idea what they are talking about.

>>770027
Do you even know how to read? None of those states were marked shit tier.

>>769987
East coast isnt that bad.

NJ had great terrain diversity.

And long island is a lot better than yellow tier, you just need a boat.

>>769987
Hawaii is a 4 level /out/ state.


Literally cannot get more than a couple miles away from civilization.

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>>769987
nah, first anon got it right >>748031

>inb4 defensive least coasters shit up this thread, too.

South Dakota is higher than that.

Badlands and the Black Hills are GOAT

Jesus christ all these cali fags.

>>770065
Yup. 39 million people plus a lot of dumbass legislation has fucked up a lot of California's /out/ potential. It would be an awesome /out/ state, but the people have ruined it.

I don't understand how California can be god tier /out/ with all the restrictions they have. Enlighten me please, what's so great about California?

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>>770071
yep, we have terrible restrictions. stay away

>mfw people believe this

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>>770076
If I want to go feral pig hunting in Commiefornia with an AR, I'm restricted to pic related. If I really want to get away from people, you have 251 people per square mile, which makes it much more difficult. Where I live, it's 17 per square mile.

>>770076
No seriously like, what isn't illegal in California?

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>>769987
What's your problem with the south? We have lots of public land and comfortable weather for three seasons, four in the hills, and Mobile Bay is one of the richest marine habitats in the US.

Niggas don't even know that Alabama has the most freshwater fish species of any state and the second most amphibian species.

Louisiana should also be God-tier just for the coastal hunting and fishing.

>>770079
I'm from Alabama and love dicking around with guns and killing stuff, but if you can't enjoy a hog hunt without playing army man you should probably grow up.

>>770083
Post guns

>>770083
Riiiiight. Use a Mini-14 instead.

Fucking cockfag.

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>>770079
>it's impossible to hunt with anything besides an ar
>251 people per square mile

>>770089
I wouldn't use anything in 5.56 for hunting large game, T B H. .270 and .300 Weatherby lay things down quite a bit harder.

>>770092
Most feral pigs aren't hogzilla, and a .223 will kill them just fine. I've also seen plenty of meat ruined because people were convinced that they had to use the biggest rifle possible, including an entire quarter of an elk that was ruined by a 7mm mag because the hunter got a shot that was 50 yds. The meat between the ribs looked like blood soaked straw after that shit.

>>770097
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdhrm7jnyis

These two guys are getting very different results. AR guy takes like six shots to kill his first hog and most of the rest are also multiple shots, while his companion with the side-by-side is dropping them in place. I have had to shoot a large game animal twice exactly one time, out of the nearly 100 whitetails I've shot in addition to bigger game in Namibia and Colorado. That meat spoilage is the result of bullet composition as much as anything. If you sling a .254 Weatherby into an elk with a bullet that can't handle the velocity it'll do the same thing, but a .375 H&H wastes minimal meat with most bullets.

>>770104
Wow its almost like shot placement matters

>>770106
I just don't see the appeal of using a tool that allows you the least margin of error with that shot placement on light game and is basically inadequate for larger specimens of the same thing. I've shot a big hog through both lungs with a .270, proper bullet expansion and exit wound and everything and he still traveled three quarters of a mile. I doubt the results would have been superior with a smaller round.

>>770104
I've watched an 11 year old kid drop an elk at 490 yards with a .243. Shot placement does matter.

As for the 7mm mag, the guy was using a bonded bullet. It would have been fine at 200 yards, but it was a 50 yard shot. I wound up with a 50ish yard shot with an '06 with a bullet that did fragment, and I only ruined about 20lbs of meat. She still dropped instantly.

Besides, your video shows a guy dropping a hog with a fucking handgun in one shot. The .223 has a lot more energy than most handguns. The guy with the AR just sucks.

>>770123
I never said shot placement doesn't matter, but we all make mistakes and things sometimes don't happen the way we think they will. Yes, a .243 into the heart or spine will DRT an elk, but I think one would be kidding himself to say that he will never in a million years fail to make that shot just so.

The video still illustrates this, because the men are expecting moving hogs and unpredictable shots. The handgun kill is an exceptional case where the hog is still and he can take his time to place the shot well. The guy with the larger caliber weapon is simply better prepared for the circumstances of most of their shots because he doesn't NEED to be right in the bull's eye to kill his hogs.

>>770056
yep be sure to tell everyone you know that so they never come here.

>>770026
I live in Santa Fe and the map is accurate.

>not being able to appreciate nature in all its forms and landscapes
what are you, posers?

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>>770161
>all of nature is created equal

sure anon. and a mosquito is a goddamn adorable as a polar bear cub

>>769987
Some of us like going outside year-round anon. Come back in January and tell me camping in Maine or Idaho is better than the south

>>770173
but that's a strawman. anon never said all of naitcher was created equal. you completely changed the subject and then refuted it

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>>770192
fine. so you appreciate mosquitoes and polar bear cubs equally?

>>770192
The entire thread is about different environments being unequal. He's either disagreeing with that idea or he's making a worthless and irrelevant contribution.

>>770196
yes

>>770199
yes

>>770203
>yes

liar.

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>>770207
no

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>>770208
yes.


and you know where liars go, right?

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>>770213
i know

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>>769987

NY has shit gun laws and politics but the outdoor opportunities are some of the best in the country...

>St.Lawrence River/thousand islands access
>Adirondacks with thousands of ponds/lakes/waterways
>Catskill
>Fingerlakes -some 500+ ft deep with tons of lake trout
>Ontario/Erie lakes
>decent deer/turkey hunting

Other than Algonquin Provincial park in Canada you really can't find that kind of thing all in one state elsewhere in the Northeast, possibly the country. Alaska for sure, but you need a float plane to get to any of it. And western states like Montana, Colorado, California simply have nowhere near the access to, and diversity of, lakes and ponds that NY does. There are reasons people still build homes like pic related on some of the centerpiece lakes in NY like Lake Placid, Lake George, Champlain, etc.

>>770080
loli and hunting whales from the shore.

>>769987
hmm pretty accurate but new york and michigan should be upgraded, south dakota is pretty cool, and louisiana is literally the shittiest state

new york should be upgraded too

arizona shoud be god tier as well

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>>770347
>claims /out/
>shows 15,000 square feet of /in/

here's what /out/ looks like, ya city dwelling retard

>>770068
Exactly. Can you imagine getting to California in the 1840s or so? Must have looked like an absolute paradise.

>>770380
>/Out/er space
Nice satellite pic

>>770027
Holy fucking shit lmao this guy

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>Illinois on the shit list
It has some nice parts but yeah probably 85% flat nothingness and 15% actual beauty

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>>769987

State boundaries aren't nearly as important as geography

>>770553
I agree with your statement but that map is utter shit.

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I live in Wisconsin/Illinois.

illinois is absolute shit. I think that even Shawnee national forest sucks ass.

Wisconsin on the other hand, is fucking awesome. I think it's better than most of the south and the east. Most people in Wisconsin don't know about the South Western "Driftless Region". It's like rolling hills and valleys for 200 miles. It's actually considered a "geographic phenomenon". There are a ton of weird animals, waterfalls, and even a fucking desert in the driftless region. You all need to check it out.

And of course, northern wisconsin is pretty epic too.

>>770609

Agreed. Hawaii map only circles popular islands. I'm kind of ok with that because maybe people will continue to not frequent Kauai as much.

>>770019
90% of NM is shitty scrubby desert and shitty scrubby hills; the only good part of the state is in the mountains up by Taos and Angelfire.

>>770732
are you me?

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>>770732

admittedly those are the only islands I've been to

>>770609

feel free to make your own. I was just making it based off of my experiences.

>>770553
Agree with most of this map, but You're putting the Gorge near the Dalles as the "Must SEE" in Oregon? Seriously?

It's like the least pretty place in the state. Maybe I'm reading that map wrong, but there's places in Central oregon, the coast, and the cascade range that are objectively must sees over the gorge.

Also is that Missouri you've got in there, cause it looks kinda like mark twain forest area and that area is clearly (if you're nearby) area.

>>770709
>waterfalls
>highest point in state is like 800ft above sea level.

Yup.

Wisconsin is pretty nice for out, especially in regards to how unpopulated it is compared to the rest of the lake states, but it ain't "epic".

>>769987
Lol.

Yes. Arkansas is almost worst.
Keep believing it.

>>770839
Elevation in the nicolet national forest is like 1600 ft. in a lot of places.

It's not epic, but I think it is underrated. I've traveled around a good portion of the country, and of course nothing compares to the western Rockies. But Wisconsin is seriously underrated and there's many many hidden gems in the state. I think it's more fun than anything south or east.

>>769987
so where do you recommend in CA? because outside of a coastline, socal is desert tier

>>770875
lake tahoe is nice

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>>770834

Oh woops I thought that was the Multnomah area. Guess it's closer to the coast than I thought.

>>769987
Bruh. Ohio has some amazing outdoor spaces. Every state has some. Your map blows.

>>770899

>every state has some

show me some amazing outdoor spaces from Rhode Island and Kansas

>>770862

Have you even been in the Ozarks? Waterfalls and caves fucking everywhere.

>>769987
Florida here. Our state is boring af outdoors wise, and I go up to Alabama and NC for my /out/ventures. 0/10 map

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>>770862

Arkansas is pretty fuckin wild dude

Just driving through it I could feel the ticks crawlin on me

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>>770875
>what is yosemite
>what is shasta
>what is joshua tree

If you dont know anything just say so.

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>>769987

Yep

>>770796
sounds like you drove though I40 once
new mexico i s huge and lots of it is amazing

Anyone want to make one for Europe?

>>771052
way too crowded

>>770914
Don't you have the Everglades and stuff? My favorite part of /out/ is wildlife, I've never been to Florida but i was under the impression it was a great state for wildlife. Also if scuba diving counts as /out/ then that's a huge boost

>>771141
all red until you hit northern scandanavia or siberia then it turns orange-cool and rugged, but turns into a deep freeze 10 months out of the year.

>>771174
>>771198
I for one would like to scoobadive the everglades

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>>770179
Stop being a bitch and camp in the cold.

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>>770913
>>770922

He's telling people to stay away and to keep believing it sucks. He doesn't want tourists.

>>770550
damn dude that is fucking comfy as fuck i tell you wut

>>770179
What is skiing
Snowmobiling
Snowshoeing
Not being a pussy ass bitch

>>771345
Snowshoeing is boring. Skiing and snowmobiling are expensive. Scenery on the winter sucks, wildlife sucks, camping is impossible on most locations, roads are closed, etc.

>>770057
WEST COAST IS THE BEST COAST

>>770027
Confirmed for indoor retard

>>770347
I too don't understand why you posted a picture of some rich asshole's McMansion

>>771380
Found the limp gripped baby bitch scared to do anything remotely challenging

>>770380
Why is out full of so many butt hurt cocksuckers

ITT: pleb tier Hikers and literally nobody who does any real /out/ activities.

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>>771408
nice rebuttal, dipshit. nice to see you admit your state is shit.

Circle the ones you've been to with a color indicating how cool they were.

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>>771620

dangit

No better /out/ state than KY

>>771218
I grew up 2 miles away from the spot where the "pope lick monster" kills his victims. Would go running out in those woods and would play on the rail road tracks. Would smoke weed and shit under it. Was there almost every day for years. I have never seen the "pope lick monster".

>>771393
Found the """outdoorsman""" who only enjoys activities that are outside, and not nature itself. Because nature objectively sucks in the winter and the scenery looks like crap.
>wow look at that white frozen lake surrounded by white land with white trees and white hills in the background!
Have fun with your $400 ski trip, I'll enjoy going backpacking in February

>>769987
I'd move the upper-half of Wisconsin and MN up to 2 ( the sum of lakes and fishing to be had on them is nice, especially with the Brule in Wi ( look it up ) and make only the top of Maine 1. California should be dropped down to a 2 or 3. Outside of those nothing glares at me.

>>769987
Shouldn't Idaho be under GOD category? It's one of the least explored places in the country, and the entire state is a gigantic mountain range. Also, Northern New Mexico should probably be under GOD

Northern Wisconsin should be green too. Is Pennsylvania really shit? I thought they had mountains and stuff

>>771777
3 weeks from moving to Boise. Cannot fucking wait to get up there and explore all the national forests. Was there for a few weeks last month. jesus, the map of Idaho is basically straight national forest north of Boise. So much untouched land and killer fishing and hiking. Fuck I'm excited.

>>771784
Very jealous. I applied for some jobs out there but never got a call back. Did you get work out there?

>>769987
>Tennessee and Appalachia
>that low

lol typical retarded cali spic

>>769987
>every single 1 & 2 state is at least partly above the Mason Dixon line
lol fuck off skifag. Having green wilderness year-round is great.

>>770899
I was gonna say this.
Sure the northern part is mostly cornfields and obese people but the southern half and lake shore are pretty descent.
We're at least an orange on average

>>771932

Amen brother... i would love to live the rest of my life out in the Cumberland gap or Appalachian mountians.

>>769987
the fact that PA gets a four is proof that your grading /out/ on camping in a tent in your backyard with your stepdad.

I live in central PA and i can't walk 10 miles without reaching a decent fishing stream. Bald Eagle State Forest offers camping permits for $5 to camp anywhere you want, and other then hunting camps it's total solitude deep indawoods. Your map is sad and you should feel sad.

Utah, Idaho, Wyoming and Utah all God Tier. There is some barren wasteland in there but all offer multiple places that would make any sc/out/s dick hard. California doesn't deserve god tier. Maybe Northern but Southern holds it down.

>>771971
>>771052
He makes a point. But fuck California and Californians. Stop moving east stay where you are.

>>771785
Not yet honestly. I've been traveling the country for the past year and it was time for me to settle down and get back to being a normal, productive human being. Money was dwindling. Hotels and Airbnbs were getting a bit steep, so I just visited a few cities out west and Boise really seemed to stand out to me. So I got an apartment for a short lease and am about to start looking for work now that I'm a few weeks from moving in. I can float myself for a few months, but I've heard the job market is solid, if not great.

I have a sales background and I've looked at available jobs. Seem to be a lot of sales and marketing jobs which I could finagle my way into. When I was thinking about moving to SLC, I applied for a buncha jobs and my phone was absolutely blowing up all day for weeks. I was just testing the waters, wasn't even moving there. So even if boise is 1/10 of SLC job market, I should be fine.

>>771971
Always wanted to just drive around Wyoming for a week and hike different spots. One anon on the photography board was telling them that there's places where humans have never set foot. He said something about the "Elk Mountain" range or something, and that even people from Wyoming don't know about it.

Can anybody confirm if Wyoming is as fucking sick as it looks?

>>772348
Wait no, "Esterbrook" is what it's called. Esterbrook, Wyoming.

>>771973
California is all transplants from the East coast. Anyone born there wants to GTFO because of how expensive all the nice places have become. I doubt there is a single state that has net positive migration rate with California.

If you want Californians to stop coming then get the other 49 states to hold onto all the POS people you have flocking there.

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>>771777
>>771971
>no ocean
>god tier

that's a negative, ghostrider

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Arkansas rated lower than Texas is batshit insane, especially if you like climbing.

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>>772380
yes, but
>mountains
>snow

i'll take elevation over oceans any day of the week.

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>>772429
which is why the pacific coast states are the top rated. they have both.

>>771971
Utah and Wyoming are shit outside of their mountainous areas, though. Utah at least has some interesting desert but Wyoming is just endless high desert moving into great plains to the east. It's not a bad drive, but there's absolutely no reason to stop there.

>>772436
Eh. You don't really get to live at elevation with coastal mountains, which IMO is the best part. I grew up in a lush mountain valley at 7700'; being that high on coastal mountains would have you living above the damn tree line.

>>772459
>sierra are coastal
>cascades are coastal
>every range in alaska is coastal

niggayouretarded?.jpg

no you got it wrong nevada is shit absolute shit dont come here :^)
but to be honest don't come here we don't need anymore commiefornians and snowbirds shitting up the place more than they have already.

>>770179
>not enjoying the cold
are you a shitskin or just a nu-male

>>769987
I live in B.C. and outside is fcking amazing here. Make a map of Canada :^ )

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>>772494
>canadian
>asks american to make a map of canada
>mfw

do it yourself you lazy maple nigger

>>772480
I was always surprised nobody talks about Nevada.

I watched a "Smithsonian" aerial view documentary of the state. Looks fucking ridiculous. Like a horrific hellscape on a different planet. Looks awesome, I'm going to do some hiking out there some day.

UK fag here, I can imagine what makes Alaska good for /out/ but why is Cali so good? I though that is was just desert?

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>>772548
>ocean
>mountains
>deserts
>lakes
>surfing
>sea kayaking
>river kayaking
>whit water rafting
>rock climbing
>mountaineering
>canyoneering
>backpacking
>mountain biking
>parasailing
>downhill skiing
>xc skiing
>snowboarding
>snow shoeing
>hunting
>fishing
>off roading

literally ANYTHING /out/ you want to do you can do in california. that's why everyone gets mad whenever a califonian points out califrnia is the best-we're objectively right and they hate it.

and bee tee dubs, desert=/=bad

>>772563
Except that California has turned into a shithole.
>2010 census- more people in California on welfare than employed.
Born and raised in San Diego btw- left for a state with a higher standard of living.

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OP, try learning about NJ somewhere else than trashy TV.
There's a little thing called the fucking Pine Barrens.

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>>772566
parts of california are shitholes. but that's true everywhere. and large parts of california are not shithles, which is not true everywhere.

which you would know if you were actually from california and went /out/ here, instead of lying on an anonymous hopi petroglyph forum

>>772376
born and raised in California and want to live here for live because it's the best state...

>>772563
Ah makes sense, I have been to Cali a few times but never really saw it as somewhere to get /out/, thought it was mostly attractive for the heat and beaches
I'll have to do some hiking sometime there

>>770091
Your gun laws are ridiculous senpai
I'd have to register a semi-auto long gun, that's retarded

>>770057
>It's another California elitist

>>770057
California is a greasy shit hole

KENTUCKY IS THE BEST STATE FUCK OFFF
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>772649
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
wow anon, that's a great meme you've got there. I can tell you've been on 4chan, and /out/ specifically, for many years. What with meming like that, you definitely aren't some annoying newfag trying way too hard to fit in or anything.

>>771634
wait, so he isn't real?

>>772667
STOP POSTING UNLESS ITS ABOUT HOW GODDAMN BASED KENTUCKY IS

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>>772639
>it's another person triggered by the fact california's /out/ is objectively superior

though i see where the problem arises. too many californians get the idea that because their state's *geography* is superior it means *they* are superior. like how a porsche is objectively superior to a kia, but a porsche driver isn't automatically superior to a kia driver, but they act like they are.

of course, i AM superior, but that's an intrinsic trait that would be true regardless of birthplace, and not just because i'm from california.

>>772742
Cali is boring as fuck loser

Kentucky for eternity

>>772747
i'm actually just 2 generations removed from kentucky. i expect there's a reason they left for california. :)

>>772754
Stupidity.

>>772765
exactly. to get away from kentucky's rampant stupidity.

>>772772
Stay in cali. You have no idea what youre missing.

>>769987
What's wrong with Ohio? I lived in southern Ohio and it's pretty great.

>>772463
And? Treeline is ~6000' there. I'll take high and dry over low and wet, aesthetics be damned.

Besides, I like nice big fields around my mountains.

>>772781
heh. i've traveled all over the country and all over the world. there's a reason i keep coming back. but i'm sure kentucky's great, boyd. ;)

>>772794
>Treeline is ~6000' there

kek. how's your job as a walmart greeter going?

>>772799
Sorry pal. Been all over your stupid state. Its worthless. Like you. When you want real freedom dont come to kentuckyx because you dont deserve it.

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>>772494
Gotcha covered.

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>>771218
update Nevada to /x/'s most recent discovery, the Ruby Valley sloth

>>769987
anyone who considers NC/WV/VA not to be outworthy is a fucking idiot.

>>770553
no kauai?

>>772808
I have no idea what you're talking about. This entire conversation has been a series of non-sequiturs.

>>770173
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>>769987
What makes Maine God tier?

>>773500
>retards are hired as walmart greeters
>if you believe treeline in ca is at 6000' you are retarded

therefore you are a walmart greeter

Alaska is the only god tier.

Hawaii is shit. You see all those forested and grass covered mountains. Yet you can't do shit on them. Plus you are never really far away from civilization. On Oahu you are likely to come across a meth lab innawoods. You also can't carry a loaded firearm openly. You aren't really /out/ unless you are someplace where you need to carry a rifle.

>>769987
>colorado tier 2

lol

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I'm thinking about moving to grand junction Colorado so I dink around in the mountains hunting elk and snow boarding, while cruising around moab utah on a dual sport when ever I want. How good of an idea is it m

>>773609
would you prefer tier 3? because no way it's god tier >>772380

>>771964
This.
Cali fags mad

>>769994

Have you ever been to MS or AL?I'd say its pretty accurate atleast down south. Most of the land is private and owned by the govt, or farmers which leaves shitty areas no one wants to live in like fucking swamps or prairies. Both states are chock full of fucking bugs and snakes that want to make your time here on earth a living hell and the locals are all awful people.

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>>773706
>>771964

They should be higher on that map, but they're still way behind California.

nothing in Appalachia comes even close to NorCal

>>770131
No one but trashy losers wants to be on your fucking shit heap of a rock, moke.

>>770027
How is AZ not shit?
>ahh yes a desert, very impressive

>>769987
>feeling the need to rate the outdoors

Die plz.

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>>773845
>literally the greatest natural wonder in the entire world

HOLY FUCKING SHIT
FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME
KENTUCKY IS THE MOST /OUT/ PLACE ON THE PLANET
FUCK

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU GUYS

>>769987
My /out/ is at least 100X better than everyone else's. No, I won't tell you where I am because then you would come here.
You'll never experience 1/10th of what I do.

>>771752
>implying you need a resort to ski

Get rekt fair weather faggot.

>>773980
/out/ of touch with the rest of the world, maybe

>>772833
Gorp?

>>773845
Obviouslynever been thereand done no research whatsoever. Shut up dick sniff

>Montana isn't God tier
Kill yourself faggot

>>769987
OP are you having a laugh with me? Kentucky is obviously a green state. Maybe Tennessee too. There's fuck huge patches of state park and a low population density overall. I lived in the middle of bumfuckedegypt for 20 years and you could walk off any road and be immediately in woodland wilderness only sporadically broken up by small towns.

>>769987
>believing Wyoming is at all /out/ worthy
>highlights all muh coastal states
Your map is shit tier

>>770057
>Idaho next to shit tier
How's not ever having left California treating you?

>>772649
Except liberal central louisville

>>774335
100% agree

>>773692
Fuck off; we're full.

>>770914
North Florida fag here. About the only thing remotely /out/ near me is Falling Waters. And its basically just an RV park.

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>>770922
Just let them be wrong. Arkansas is great.

>>769987
Is Colorado decent? I'm thinking of moving west.
How bad is the thin air?
What about getting license to carry?
Best part of the state where I can have access to woods, mountains, lakes, rivers within 30 minutes or so?

Thank you

>>774335
Noth Georgia should be green. The Okeefenokee and the Everglades should be green as well.

>>770161
>not recognizing that some partsofnthe world are more spectacular or captivating than others.
Yes, a flat Nebraska prairie going to the horizon is just as natural as The Grand Canyon, but good luck getting people to visit it while they're on vacation.

Goddamn what a retarded pissing match this thread is

>>769987

New Jersey here. Should be on the shit list.

>>774899
>pissing about a pissing match
>being superior

pick 1, faggot

>>770063
This, East River sucks but West River has the good shit.

>>775015
The only thing that's superior about me is my cock, just ask your mom

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>>775030
>shitty personality
>retard iq
>hideous
>neckbeard
>acne so bad you look like a burn victim
>obese
>always sweaty and smells like ham
>no job
>no education
>no prospects
>b-but muh cock!
>implying you've even seen it in the last 12 years
>mfw

>>775033
Project more, loser. I bet you're the retard who thinks Georgia is god tier

>>775053
ooh, scathing. i'd better go get some aloe for that burn.

>>774679
Fuck off, we're full.

>>775059
Excited to start middle school next year?

>>769987
>Texas not being god-tier

>>770385
>absolute paradise
No roads, you wouldn't have known what was there.
Also, do you not realize CA is more than 1/2 desert?

>>772563
You make it sound like you can do all of this in a matter of a few hours. I can on the east coast short of desert. Literally within 2 hours. I've
waterskied and snow skied in the same weekend before.

>>775086
>full
of fucking stoners...

>>770092
With larger bullets and good shot placement, a 5.56/.223 is more than capable of putting down thin-skinned medium game like most deer and small to medium hogs.
In fact, I'd even go so far as to say that shot placement is far more critical than sheer caliber size, and a good vital organ hit by a gun that's "too small" will be MUCH more effective than a shot by a "proper" caliber that misses those vital organs.

Accordingly, the "best gun" for any hunter for any game is one they can shoot accurately whose bullets can reliably reach the vital organs of the target animal, hype and fashion be damned.

As for the magnums, unless you're going to be regularly taking shots from over 300 yards away, there's just no need for them. The extra velocity from all that powder being burned not only doesn't help penetration at short range, it actually hinders it. Conventional bullets just can't take going from 2000+mph down to zero in an instant-they splatter and fly apart rather than staying together enough to penetrate deeply. And the faster they are pushed, the worse it gets.

That said, some bonded bullets ARE designed to handle that, but at the cost of both lower-velocity performance and price. At the longer distances most magnums were designed to reach a lot of the bonded bullets won't expand much at all, and not nearly as well as more conventional bullets.

>>769987
All I know is Kansas is basically a free space with these. Fuck Kansas.

>>770155
>major metropolitan areas anywhere
>shit tier /out/ areas by definition
Pick two

>>772823
forgets PG (The shit town of the north)

>>774335
Florida born and currently living in Georgia anon here
All of Florida is absolutely shit tier for /out/ings. All it's got going for it is fishing; everything else is awful-tier.
It is no stretch to say that Georgia should be at least a full level above Florida.

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>>775129
>weekend

nigga get on my level. people here literally surf in the morning and snowboard in the afternoon.

>>772348
Going to college in Wyoming next year. Yes, it really is.

>>775121
texas is not even in the top half of /out states

>>775442
If I remember correctly, a big part of eastern WY is flat plains although it does contain some badlands.

>>775183
>Selected map for easy editing in MS Paint
>Vancouver in the wrong place
>When PG gets to be the size of Edmonton we'll talk

>>775353
Confirmed. I've done that exact route.

chah brah

>>775353
OK, so we both can do the same thing, but I'm about an hour closer if I do it.

>>772422
Ayy, a fellow Arkansan!

>>775581
>makes claim
>provides no evidence

and we all believe you, anon.

>>769987
NO.
maybe this would mean ANYTHING if you actually have camped at least say five times in each of the states that you so flippantly critiqued with your child's map.
not only that, but state boundaries mean so little to someone truly /out/.

>>775583

Actually just a Texan sad our climbing options are somewhat limited.

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>>776183
>mfw a red state faggot gets triggered this hard

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>Arkansas is shit tier
The Ozarks would like a word with you...

>>775742
Wow, what a sorry fuck you are. I have to provide proof?
I'm East Coast, I never "hid" that fact. Shouldn't be hard or you to find a mtn near a lake...

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>>776329
>east coast "mountains"
>lake=ocean
>"like, serious guiz, i'm totally not lying"
>mfw

>>776335
Those East coast mountains were towering over lowly peasant organisms millions of years before your shit West coast mountains were ever in existence.

get fukt

>>776337
>were

nice attempt at damage control, but it's what IS that matters.

shit that was steak=/=steak

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>tfw hoosier

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>smoky mountain states not at least green

Did you seriously put Colorado and Hawaii the same color as New Hampshire?

>>772791
>>770899
Yeah. And Ohio has one of only 9 national parks east of the Mississippi.

>>776359
>""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""mountain""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

>>776335
>east coast "mountains"
having never read gandyline comparisons...

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>>774633
I'm coming buddy.get ready

>>776460
>"""""mountain""""
yes.
im looking /out/ @ a eastern mountain that rises over a mile above its base. if the doesn't qualify as a mountain to you than you are autistic ass.

>>776633
>doesn't qualify
That's not the west coast way. You measure mountains as altitude over sea level, not vertical rise from base.

>>769987
This is bait.

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This is literally the only accurate map.
Green=God Tier

>CTRL+F
>"North Carolina" no matches
>West Coast Chucklefucks

Best part about Wyoming is that it keeps all you whiney cunts out so I can do my outdoors shit in peace. 12 months of outdoor activities if you're not a gaping vag.

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>>776650
>mile rise

cute. these peaks are 10,000+ feet above the valley floor

AZ should be a 1. Sure, there isn't much prime sustaining land and way too much of the state is gov't owned or res land, but I'd prefer to be out in a relatively unique ecosystem not more than 3 hours drive from 7 other major climactic zones.
But that's OK, by your mapping I think I can safely assume that we would never get along well anyway.

>>776823
>mt.rainier
>14k feet
>has more prominence than fucking K2

Distance you actually have to hike is much more important than elevation

>>777005
congratulations on demonstrating that you don't know how prominence works.

but other than that i'm not sure what point you're trying to prove or who's side you're on.

>>777045
That is exactly how prominence works.

A climb of 14k feet is a moderately difficult climb. Give 14k a prominence greater than K2 And you have one of the more challenging peaks on earth. Idiot.

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>>777048
no, it's not. prominence is basically (not exactly, but basically) measured from the lowest point between a mountain and the closest mountain that's higher than it. rainier's isolation is 731 miles, so the mountain its prominence is being compared to is 731 miles away. it has nothing to do with "base" to summit elevation as traditionally imagined by retards like you who have no idea what they're talking about.

>>777070
No I am right but you are stupid and cant read

Here let me make it easy for you

>start at 16,000
>climb to 28,000

>start at 1,000
>climb to 14,000

One of these is more than the other

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>>777077
except you don't start climbing rainier at 1k, so...

but the fact that you're arguing that rainier is harder than k2 makes your trolling transparent, so i'm done with you. :)

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>>772823
BC master race :) career in forestry so im /out/ all day everyday

pic related, another day at the office

>>777080
Youve clearly never climbed either. Probably dont even have ice climbing experience. Probably never even done a team climb. You know nothing of my world.

>>769987
PA should be shit tier, the deep south moved up to 3.

PA fucking blows, thinking of moving to Idaho for the out life

>>776680
Green = tourist traps.

>>777128
Join me. Literally moving there in 2 weeks from Georgia. Idaho is fucking incredible.

>>776650
>That's not the west coast way.
like whatever, dude.

>>776680
far better, but still misses national and state parks.
and yes you can find true wilderness in both.

>>776823
those are foothills in asia & south amerika

>>776823
HAHAHA, so you're measuring base as a below sea level valley. Too fucking funny. I'm sure they look pretty. Too bad you don't actually go up them.

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>>769987
AZ...not God tier??

>>777789
Most of the state is a shitty desert that experiences one and a half seasons in the course of a year.

The mountains up by flagstaff aren't bad though.

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>>778010
>shitty desert

>>771967
this guy gets it

>>777128
>what is western and central PA

The southeast and pittsburgh is trash for /out/ but the rest of the state is beautiful

TX, NM, FL, LA and MN should be god-tier, or at least a 2.

Whoever made this map probably has not been to these places.

>>774302
This

>>772636
>>770079
The laws are about to get much worse in California. They will enjoy the ammo background checks for $60 everytime they try to purchase ammo.

>>769987
Florida has a ton of beautiful islands to explore by kayak. plus cool swamps.

>Missouri same tier as Kansas and Nebraska
Mark Twain Forest/Ozarks at least bump it up to a 3
Now, northern MO is pretty shit.

>>773597
Neighbor islands have plenty firearms for shooting pig. Big Island and Kauai don't have civilization.

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>>778485

Yeah, that's a shitty desert right there. Just because it has an artificial lake for SoCal bros to get drunk and drown in doesn't make it not a desert.

90% of the state receives less than 12 inches of rain per year and most of it looks like this.

>>769987
>Alaska not being a tier all its own
>no Alaska tier
Haven't even been but know it's a whole nother level of /out/. Most of us faggats here couldn't make it past Washington I'd bet.

>>771777
No. Now stop talking about it. Idaho sucks don't go there ever.

>>778485
Yes, thank you for illustrating my point.

>>771777
>Pennsylvania really shit? I thought they had mountains and stuff
We have SHIT LOADS of mountains rivers and woods.
OP is a stupid cunt.

>>769987
Tennessee deserves godtier senpai.
most warerfalls of any state, shit ton of amazing hiking trails, mountains.
this map is shit

>>769987
>Minnesota not at least 2
???

literally every state is god tier except for New Jersey, Rhode Island, Connecticut, and Delaware.

>>779530
Godtier tennessee. LOL

>>779607
great argument, I enjoyed your input.

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OP's map triggered me, so I made my own. Few things in the world are more annoying than a smug Californian. I've only done /out/ stuff in like 10 of the states though so this may not be entirely accurate.

>>779667
N-new jersey has some okay reserves and trails, we just share most with NY and PA

>>779707
I actually live in NJ but have been less than impressed my options. I've ended up going south to VA/WV for /out/ stuff since moving here. I'm curious if you have any recommendations since I don't know of any overnight hiking around here, just mediocre day hikes with no solitude because of the population density.

>>779667
I think you're being mean to MN

>>779720
Do a significant number people from outside the state travel to MN for outdoor stuff? If a state's outdoor resources are almost exclusively used by its residents, then I don't think it has much to offer relative to other states. With snowmobiling, lakes, and the relative isolation of the backcountry, I could see a case being made for MN/WI to be bumped up to yellow, but no more than that.

>>769987
>>770057
What's wrong with LA? There's plenty of /out/ shit to do here. I live in South LOuisiana and yea, it's a lot of swamps and shit but then that makes it fun, kind of like camping in vietnam.

>>779667
>kneejerk backlash anti-californians are less annoying than smug californians

nah. it just makes you look bitter.

I didnt want to get involved in the whole "California" topic here but I guess I have to.

A lot of people rank California low because of its population. Yes you guys have great beaches, Yosemite, ect but what kills it is population.
I have been to Yosemite three times and each time fucking sucked because it was over crowded. And its not just the major attractions either, there were a lot of people all over the trails. I finally said fuck it and started walking down a river bank and did so for 6 miles and in those six miles I was never alone, there was always someone within either sight or I could hear them.

This is not enjoyable and really kills it for a lot of people. I dont go into the outdoors to see/hear people. I know there are going to be people but when I cant find a spot by myself in Yosemite it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

I could say the same thing about beaches.

>>779736
Dont change it, I lived there for many years and it sucked.
The Dakotas get more people for their outdoors because of fishing and hunting. We have fishing too but its just too expensive for people from other states. I had a uncle come over once and we went fishing. A two day fishing license for me was 7$ while for my uncle it was almost 80$. Dont even get me started on the deer tags.

>>780128
>go to one of the top tourist draws in the entire world
>complain about it being too crowded

and if you followed the major trails along the merced or tuolumne river i have no sympathy. and if you say it's any other river you're a liar

i just spent memorial fucking weekend camping in the mountains an hour south of yosemite and saw no one but my brother and my son for 24 hours. so solitude's there, you just suck at finding it.

Colorado is god tier /out/

>>770081
>ooh look a frog
Go southern swamplands...

>>772814
lol kentucky triggered

>>773980
why is some guy shitposting so hard? no one likes you or your backwater state

>>770902
West coast is a bunch of wetbacks, faggots and jews gone wild

>>770899
Can confirm.

>>770709
Wisconsin is pretty good IMO.

Make Arkansas, Virginia, and North Carolina a 2

>>770709
How do you live in 2 states? You sound like a FIB trying to latch onto wisconsin even though you live in Gurnee.

Stay the fuck out of my state.

>>769987
Florida is god tier if you like the water.

>>770902
Have you ever been to Rhode Island? Fantastic rocky coastline.

>>783007
>Florida is god tier if you like flat, shallow, waveless beaches or marshy, murky, alligator and mosquito infested ponds and canals.

ftfy

>>783020
I do love those things, there's nowhere more peaceful on this earth than a mangrove forest.

>>783029
i that case i'm glad you're where you're happy, but i believe you're in the minority in that opinion

>>769987
New York has the Hudson Valley, the Adirondacks the Catskills, the Rail Trail and stuff. I like it here. Wouldn't know how it compares to other places. But this is nice.

>>777086
You do consulting work?

>>770709
>yin
I live in Wisconsin, not WI/IL but 30 minutes from the border of the UP. I have lived in many parts of the state and I can assure you almost every person in Wisconsin, Iowa and Southern Minnesota is aware of the drifftless area. Doesn't make it any less beautiful though.

>>783029
You better fight for it then, because there are a lot of people trying to fuck up the watershed there.

Honestly every state is out tier if you try enough. Even the great plains is wonderful if you get out of your comfort zone in to vast expanses of prairie.

>Inb4 muh trees

I love trees too, but I takes a true outdoorsman to take on the great plains.

>>779736
MN has some of the best paddling around. The bwca is very well preserved and respected by those that go there. I'm going up there for a week this summer and cannot wait.

>>769987
PA is fucking great for /out/doors. So much woods and so beautiful. Rivers and lakes too.

>>770091
>Hunting with lead bullets
>Ever

>>783644
This. I'm from a Dixie state where lead will be legal for the next millenium, but I hunt with non-toxics because the science is pretty much in on lead content in carcasses and meat. I ain't eating that shit just to stick to to Obama.

Still practice with cheap lead ammo, but that's not illegal anywhere.

>>769987
I'm from South Dakota, we should be green AT LEAST because obviously you've never been here.

>>776680
It leaves out National Wildlife Refuges, and National/ State parks. Still far better than the other maps though.

>>770057
>montana and wyoming
>shit tier

wew. just kill yourself now

>>779667
>MN/WI a 4

go fuck yourself anon. Apostle Islands and The Superior Hiking Trail alone put them into at least 2. Driftless area, northern highlands, north shore highlands, BWCA, lake of the woods, Voyageurs NP, infinite amount of fishing, millions and millions of acres of state/national forest. Garbage map from someone who doesn't know his own asshole from a hole in the ground.

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>>784401
>you
>in charge of knowing geography
>mfw

maybe you should reassess who should kill themself.

>>770063
This
>tfw live in the southern hills
>tfw only an hour to spearfish
>beautiful camping, fishing, and hiking

How is Ohio shit?
>Great seasons
>Ok laws
>Bugs aren't too bad

>>770057
>I've never left my state so everything else sucks.
Sure is ignorant in here

>>770076
Enjoy your drought

>>770179
>waahh I'm cold
Cover up your pussy, broh.

>>770347
>nowhere else has access to lakes and rivers like NY

Nigga u forget that Michigan exists? We're literally surrounded by Great Lakes, plus we have tons of lakes and rivers, 3 national forests, 8 state forests, and the sand dunes.

>>770080
Weed?

Ohio and West Virginia have plenty of /out/ shit to do.