Good small cooking/eating pot?

>>687850
>0
how exactly do you hang that over any fire?

>>687854
Weld the lid shut, then hang the pot-cup from your balls about 6 inches above the flame.

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>>687854
>Hang
Sorry, meant it as an expression. I just mean to prop it up above the fire

>>687861
you should look for one that can be hanged.
was more useful trust me.
i have had plenty trouble with these cup handled ones.

I don't agree with hanging it over a fire. Its more crap to fiddle with for what benefits? Being cleaner and not charing the bottom?

>>687966
it gives you a hell of a lot more stability
i almost got hot soup in my lap cause the stove and the pot decided to tip over.

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>>687850
You want pic related.

Rationale: Wider (130mm) base gives you larger area for heat transfer, i.e. faster boil. 900 is a great size for solo cooking, and also works for bringing a buddy without pot along.
One pot for coffee, soups or just water for rehydrating meals etc.

Regarding TOAKS: They're awesome. the pic weighs 99g INCLUDING lid (24g), and the lid can of course be exchanged for some aluminum pie-plate if you go full reta.. I mean full ultralight.

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>>688135
Also, the 130mm base is the same as the 1,3L TOAKS pot with bail handle, pic related.

If you go for a Sidewinder Caldera cone from Traildesigns (which you should), these will become interchangeable.

Like I have. Which is awesome.You can become awesome too.

>>687854
>>687861
>>687863
>>688127

Uhh or you could just put it BESIDE the fire.

Or use a couple of rocks to raise it above the fire and also stabilise.

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>>688137
Caldera w/inferno inset.

Yeah I just use rocks to raise it besides the fire.

>>688139
>Thor Heyerdahl Cognac

Ugh don't tell me there's even hipster bushcraft booze now

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>>688168
Hahaha, no -- it's just another Cognac imported to Norway. Norway is the world's largest consumer of Cognac per capita, and we have a huge range of Cognac Houses that produce and bottle in France, for export to Norway.

We also have "Nansen Cognac" and "Amundsen Cognac", in addition to other large "Norwegian" families in Cognac, such as Larsen, Braastad, Bache-Gabrielsen, Jenssen and partly Otard.

So -- Heyerdahl is one of the cheaper ones, and comes in a handy 0.5L lightweight plastic bottle.

Heyerdahl was /out/ as fuck, but not as badass as Nansen:
http://www.badassoftheweek.com/nansen.html

>If you can look at this picture and tell me that this isn't one of the sweetest photos of a dude with a 'stache that you've ever seen, then you obviously need to learn a little something about facial hair and being awesome. This picture alone makes the guy badass, even if you didn't know the story behind it. You will be pleased to learn, no doubt, that the man behind this vicious strip of solidified testosterone is sufficiently badass to pull off a soup strainer that epically righteous. It can be no other way.

>Fridtjof Nansen was a tough-as-nails Norwegian psychopath with an impossible-to-spell first name and an unstoppable desire to constantly freeze his balls off and risk his life in the name of science and kickassery. Born in 1861 in a town near Oslo, as a teenager this super-brilliant, ultra-hardcore crazy person constantly went outside into the frostbite-inducing snow-covered wilderness Bear Grylls-style to test himself against the most volatile bullshit Mother Nature could furiously dump on him...

>>688179
>Spending days and weeks at a time alone in the wild with just his faithful dog, a sharp knife, and his badass 'stache to keep him company, this guy quickly forged himself into a high-endurance asskicker. This dude was so ridiculously tough that that he could get out and cross-country ski fifty miles a day, every day, for pretty much as many days as he wanted. For those of us who have no idea what skiing two marathons back-to-back actually means, the 50km cross-country ski race (30 miles for those of you who continue to resist the global tyranny of the metric system) is the longest ski race the Olympics has ever offered. In the 1948 games, 20 world-class athletes busted ass and finished the race in times ranging from 4 to 5 hours, with seven more guys dropping out and not even being able to crawl their half-dead asses over the finish line. They haven't offered the race since, presumably because that bullshit constitutes something akin to "cruel and unusual punishment." For this guy it was half a day's ski in the woods.

>In 1882, the 21 year-old Nansen went on a naval expedition to Greenland and instantly fell in love with the harsh, unyielding hellhole he discovered there. Greenland, contrary to what it's name might imply, is actually a freezing-ass wasteland of ice and pain and misery, but that's apparently the sort of thing that appeals to guys who enjoy spending their time fist-fighting wild animals in the uncharted mountainous regions of Norway. Nansen, who loved learning about zoology, ecology, and oceanography, used his time on the ship wisely – while lesser men were below decks doing wussy crap like huddling for warmth or losing their fingers to frostbite, Nansen was getting up-close-and-personal with polar bears, making observations and writing a damn book about how balls-out he was.

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>>688186
>Returning to Norway so pumped up he wanted to barf, Nansen got his Ph.D. in zoology from the University of Oslo. When he wasn't working on a dissertation exploring the central nervous system of lower invertebrates, developing the groundwork for the field of science that would become neuron theory, or working at a research station with Armauer Hansen (the man who discovered the leprosy bacteria), Nansen took a study break to ski 300 miles over a usually-impenetrable mountain range so that he could participate in a ski jumping competition that was taking place on the other side of the country. I wasn't able to find the results of the competition, but knowing what we know about this guy it's probably safe to assume that he flew off the ramp, did a double backflip and landed on top of a volcano in Iceland.

>One day Nansen got bored of being a super-genius ski-jumping wilderness expert, so he got a couple friends together and decided to be the first person to cross Greenland on skis. To this point, nobody had ever attempted an exploration of the interior of Greenland, and the closest anybody had come to reaching the North Pole was writing a letter to Santa Claus, but Nansen didn't give a crap about any of that shit. Nothing would stand in the way of him kicking one of Saint Nick's reindeer in the antlers. He landed a ship on the East coast of Greenland, unpacked his skis, and got ready to freeze his junk off. Figuring that retreat or surrender would be an indelible sign of weakness, Nansen took the head-searingly insane step of burning his boats after he landed, thereby removing the one possible avenue of escape from this uncharted wasteland nobody had ever successfully ventured across without dying. Victory or death, as they say. Nansen and five other men then spent the next two months cross-country skiing across the continent, battling through dangerous ice, exhaustion, elevations over 9,000 feet, and temperatures as low as fifty below.

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>>688188
>Incredibly, they made their way all the way from east to west, landing in the warmer sunny climes of Siberia before heading home to a victory parade, an artillery salute, and the status of a national hero. Fridtjof turned his experience into two best-selling books, both of which he also illustrated, because of course this guy was strong, smart, and also artistic. And women loved him, obviously.

>For his next trick, Fridtjof Nansen decided he was going to become the first person to reach the North Pole. He developed a pretty ingenious tactic for doing so – he built the famous, ultra-hard wooden ship Fram, lodged it into the ice pack off the coast of Siberia in 1893, and let it drift in the ice while the tides of ocean carried him across the pole. This was a tactic that would be used by great explorers from Scott to Shackleton to traverse both Arctic and Antarctic climes, and this guy pioneered that shit.

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>>688191
Nansen and his crew drifted for 18 months, somehow surviving in the freezing-ass cold temperatures, but unfortunately the tides of the Arctic Sea decided not to cooperate with Nansen's plan, no matter how good it was or how intensely he tried to stare it down. Realizing that he was drifting too far from the pole and wouldn't cross it, Nansen obviously did the badass thing – he and one other guy jumped out of the drifting boat, jumped on a dog sled, and rushed 140 miles across open ice to get there.

Nansen didn't reach the pole – he was forced to turn back just a couple hundred miles away – but he had achieved the highest latitude ever reached at this point in history, which was definitely something to be proud of. Not convinced that he could find his still-drifting ship as it made its way through the polar ice, Nansen and his homedog instead headed south across Greenland. They spent a winter living in the inhospitable climate of the extreme North, building a hut out of stone and eating walrus blubber and polar bears he personally clubbed to death with his boner, and finally reached Norway by kayak the next summer. In addition to being awesome and also kicking ass, the six volumes of research material he published on his trip got him a post as a Professor of Oceanography at the University of Oslo and plenty of prestige in the legitimate scientific community. His ship, Fram, would go on to carry Roald Amundsen to the South Pole. To this day, it's still the wooden ship that has achieved the furthest North and furthest South latitudes, and this dude built it back in 1890 using ingenious mathematics-oriented ship-building techniques he devised himself.

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>>688193
Noooo muh greentxt

>When World War I broke out in 1914, Nansen had to halt his balls-out research/almost dying, which sucked. He was so pissed about it that he went out and won the Nobel Peace Prize so that he could get back to doing dangerous things. Seriously. He was Norway's representative in the League of Nations, the High Commissioner for Refugees, and he closely worked with governments and the Red Cross to provide humanitarian aid to people affected by the war. He negotiated a relaxation of the Allied blockade of Europe, allowing much-needed food to get through to starving people, and negotiated the repatriation and ethical treatment of displaced persons and refugees, developing techniques still used by the UN today. His most badass accomplishment to this end was the development of the "Nansen Passport", a document that allowed refugees to travel to countries that could help them. My guess is that he just put his picture on there and people were so awe-struck by the glorious stache that they did whatever he wanted.

>After the war, Nansen continued being awesome to the world. He negotiated post-war prisoner-of-war exchanges and releases, and helped Turks, Greeks, and Armenians escape persecution from various sources after a bunch of terrible shit went on in their respective territories. When the Russian people were starving to death after a decade of war and revolution, Nansen rallied international support and got food and medical supplies for them. The Soviets distrusted the Western powers, and refused to deal with anyone except Nansen. He's credited with saving the lives of something like ten million people with his food policy in Russia. Not bad for a guy who was head-butting polar bears and building shelters in the wilderness of Greenland a few years earlier.

>>687850
Toaks is regarded as some of the best cookware you can find. I've seen/heard lots of steallar reviews regarding their cookware; the most impressive thing being the 450/375 ML cups nest with your utensils inside the cookware which can include their full-sized backpacking stove, and a pot/pan combo. Their smaller stove nests inside their 750 ML pot. Don't worry about using the handles to get it off the fire; chances are you'll have gloves in your pack and even without gloves I've seen reviewers lift that same pot in your pic off the fire having just finished boiling water for five minutes.

I think the highest praise they got was from Ben; if you want to know more about the cookware see his videos at...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3gGWOt8vLo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04iUyFo1duw&index=4&list=PL66_bYgZpf7Krx9kf_olV9mdUaV-X-bU_

>>687850
the 550ml is good enough , fits a small gas can

>>688138
>>688147

this

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>>688138
i'm telling you that shit topples over easily compared to a hanging.
i'm not an idiot i know how to prop up a pot if i have rocks around it's still not nearly as safe as hanging. and if there are no rocks but you got to balance your stove on ground or sticks and put the pot on top of it it's everything but stable.

so my advice stands, get one that has bail handle more versatile at the very least.

>>688137
this looks nice.

>>687850
I use a stanley stainless steel cookpot i got at walmart for ~$15

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>>688332
>stainless steel

That's just too heavy, man.

>>688332
>>689148
Considering the reduced thermal conductivity of titanium, and therefore the increased weight in fuel to reach the same temperatures, stainless steel is far lighter than titanium.

>>688137
Is it easy to take off the side handles? I feel like I wouldn't need them if I had a bail handle

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>>689935
> show your math

BS, there is only one answer:

> MSR Ti Kettle

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Titanium sucks for cooking, unless the only thing you want to do is boil water. Hot spots too much to actually cook anything.

Superior and cheap setup:

$8 wal*mart Stanco Grease Pot
+ DIY aluminum flashing lid
+ Titanium pot gripper
+ Hot lips (optional)

The only real disadvantage to Aluminum is that the pot will bend/deform easily, but you have to fuck it up real bad before it won't serve its purpose as a cooking pot.

Combos really well with my MSR microrocket, flame goes low enough to fry things and it fits my entire cookset + windscreen + fuel + most of my baselayer clothing inside. Borderline big enough to boil snow for 1 person.

like seriously tho i have a bunch of evernew stuff and a msr kettle, never use it over the good ol grease pot.

>>689935
what about aluminium?

>>689935
>>690162
But we are talking about cooking over a fire, where the weight of fuel and hot spots aren't a problem

>>689935
>>690169
>>690171
best pots are hybrid metal with a thick thermally conductive plate on the bottom light walls and thin corrosion resistant cookware lining.

I use a Zebra Stainless billy can, it does what it needs to do

>>690098
>Show your math
I'm not going to copy over shit you can look up for yourself. Go ahead and put a Ti heatsink on your processor if you like.

>>690169
A lot of people don't trust it aluminum cookware. Alzheimer's and whatnot. Not sure about it myself, but considering the fact that iron is a necessary vitamin and neither Ti or aluminum are, steel would inherently be the safest choice.

>>690171
Sure, fuel weight and cost aren't an issue when you're using wood. You're wrong about the hotspots, though.

>>690180
Good point. That's why they make copper bottom cookware. A copper bottom Ti pot or copper plated aluminum bottom Ti pot would probably be the best possible compromise between weight and thermal conductivity. Anyone make these?

>>689935
>Considering yadda yadda ~ stainless steel is far lighter than titanium.

>>690713
>>Show your math
>I'm not going to copy over shit you can look up for yourself.

you really do need to check your math... compared to aluminum (or copper), stainless steel is a rather poor conductor - and I'm sure this will be a shock to you but pure titanium is sometimes a BETTER conductor than SS.

here's some math for ya...

Thermal Conductivity in units of watts per meter per Kelvin

Pure Aluminum - 204.3 to 249.3

Pure Copper - 353.1 to 401

Cast Iron - 55

Carbon Steel - 36 to 54

Stainless Steel - 16.3 to 24

Pure Titanium - 15.6 to 22.5

Titanium Alloy - 5.8

>>690762
Thanks for proving my point.

Commercially produced titanium products would be alloys, not pure titanium, so stainless steel is in fact a far better conductor. So by buying titanium cookware, you're paying 4-5 times as much for a less fuel efficient product. And in turn, paying for and carrying more fuel as a result.

>Anyone trying to convince you that Ti is a superior cookware, makes their living selling titanium cookware.

>>690857
Simple fact of the matter is, the entire function of cookware is to transfer heat from your stove to your food. Why would you pay extra money for a product that does a poorer job of it?

>>690857
stainless steel is the best low tech durable compromise. but hell no it doesn't make the best cookware. titanium is shit. you can make the handles and lid titanium that might be a good idea.

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>>690857
>Commercially produced titanium products would be alloys

You don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

Instead of blustering around and pulling "facts" out of your ass, how about taking 5 minutes and doing the math. Toaks titanium cookware (like in OP's pic) is 100% pure titanium and therefore has similar or better heat transfer than Stainless Steel.

http://toaksoutdoor.com/QandA.aspx

I don't use titanium myself, all my cookware is stainless or anodized aluminum but I can state that you are nothing but a fucking idiot.

>>690986

BOOM. Ti hater BTFO.

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>>690992
psh, so says themselves. i'm gonna need a third-party unbiased opinion. pic relates
>100%

>>690857
Who cares which is more conductive? You haven't shown that these differences in conductivity are making any difference in boil times. If you actually gave a shit about fuel efficiency, you'd be comparing specific pots, not materials in abstract, but you don't care about fuel efficiency, you're just being an argumentative jackass.

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>>690986
titan is the element titanium is an alloy of ti

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>>688194
While an interesting guy and story, I could barely read through it. That style and writer in particular are more annoying than the fake laughs on sit-coms.

>>690986
Generally, when someone argues against paying premium prices for crap, they're trying to help people out. When people argue for paying premium prices for crap, they're a shill.

Maybe you should be trying to prove you're not just raping uneducated consumers' wallets.

>>691025
Why would I pay $30 just to prove what's already common sense to anyone who takes the time to look it up? Even if SS and Ti did have comparable thermal properties, SS is far less expensive.

>>690992
Oh, yeah... sure showed me.

>>691292
Look what up? There's no appreciable difference in boil times. Caring about conductance is losing the forest for the trees. If you don't want to pay the money for a lighter pot, just fucking say so. Don't dress it up with pseudo-scientific bullshit.

>>691428
Thermal conductance isn't pseudo-science. Try again, but better.

>>691638
I boil just fine in Ti.

So you will have to try again but better.

Source: not even him

>>691647
I never said it doesn't work. I just said it doesn't work as well as more conductive metals.

>>691638
No, but taking a dimension like conductance and making broad conclusions about fuel efficiency without any testing is pseudo-science. There's a lot more to fuel efficiency that the thermal conductivity of the pot.

>>691665
>I just said it doesn't work as well as more conductive metals.

No, what you actually said was "Considering ~ the increased weight in fuel to reach the same temperatures, stainless steel is far lighter than titanium" but you were totally wrong.

You also said, "Commercially produced titanium products would be alloys" but you were totally wrong about that too.

Then you said, "by buying titanium cookware, you're paying 4-5 times as much for a less fuel efficient product." and that's also completely incorrect. Titanium is actually only about 33 to 50% more expensive than an equivalent stainless pot and has nearly identical thermal conductivity while being MUCH lighter.

Finally you said, "when someone argues against paying premium prices for crap, they're trying to help people out." however in your case it's an ignorant loudmouth jackass who has no idea what the fuck they are talking about, repeatedly pulling info out of their ass and being proved wrong time after time after time but still refusing to STFU, cut their losses, and quit embarrassing themselves.

>>691691
You're still shilling for titanium, huh? Are a Toaks stockholder?