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Ye goode olde times

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From Ray Mears whittling a birch bark canoe to scientists doing science with science stuff, the good old ways are being preserved again.

Tools and materials you can make yourself, techniques and lore tried and tested over Centuries, products that last and can be repaired if damaged...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butser_Ancient_Farm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozark_Medieval_Fortress

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu%C3%A9delon_Castle

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_Legends_%28Sagnlandet_Lejre%29

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Galli

Which ancient craft would you like to learn?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqmHqrHr8xg
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Stone carving and architecture
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Pottery
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>>567509
>Guedelon_Castle
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCv-DU51qTQWwaqzqS7ifVIg
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Wasn't there a group of people that were creating a castle from scratch?
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Leatherworking
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>>570608
Bishops Castle
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>>570615
I shall now suck your dick/massage your clit as thanks.
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Found /out/
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redneck threat
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>>567509
Bumping. Interest.
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>>570615
>>570608
yeah bishops asshole is in colorado but the one in the OP that's been featured in a BBC series is guedelon asshole. much more traditional, much nicer. bishops asshole is a heap of redneck shit tbh
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Wouldn't mind getting into blacksmithing.
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>>571759
Who wouldn't.

Seems expensive though. I mean the space alone - you can't just start swinging hammers against steel in the city and expect the neighbors to just ignore it like pubescent violin studies.
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>>571766
Its what I'm gonna do. I knicked loads of steel and brass from old college and gonna build a forge in the garden. Fuq em
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worth a watch

part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI6wDO2RhTQ

part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSNNkYBizFM

part 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfnlDLyJM1E

Part 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWrZDy8Si7c

Part 5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8cbn9hPtSM

Part 6: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr6RrdpPews

part 7: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86rP_r2Ar_g
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>>571766
But you can.
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>>571970
This is excellent. And it's good to see Lindybeige with a real topic to sink his teeth into.

>>570021
This is.... just wonderful!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCuPb830_rk
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx7OXQLj4U4
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCKkHqlx9dE
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>>576338

Gotta have respect for this lad.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPpmj8RoAyY
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>>567509
I live by butser ancient farm. Now I want to go. Fucking weather. There's an ancient Iron Age shrine where I live though. Can't be seen though.

I want to learn tracking/ancient hunting and knife making
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhhwV8qb9mY
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>>576338
Seen this before.. Thought it was rad. Wonder how long he spent out there?
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>>570021
in southern germany there is a similar project where they're building a village
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>>576338
That chimney is surely too long and too thin. And its made entirely of mud and straw, no skeleton.
I dont imagine its going to last.
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>>567509
some day i will build a real viking longship. thinking about volunteering at the museum in roskilde, those things are still being made there, has anyone ever worked there? i've only been there as a tourist a few times
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I always thought it would be neat to be a court bard or some random schmuck that plays with a few other people at the dining hall.
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Does anyone have any experience with different natural kinds of pitch/tar?

I know pine resin birch bark tar are particularly mentioned. And I know they get mixed and processed to make glue, sealant, firestarters, and different coatings. But there isn't a list anywhere...

Of course these are natural product that vary wildly, but a bit of a recipe would be great. Like which glue lasts decades, or which remains flexible. Which sealant works well for seals that are permanently under water, and does it differ for salt water?

I get that unlike industrial products, there is a range of applications and trial and error are certainly part of the process. But I also know that there are Millennia of experience with these materials, and someone ought to have written something down somewhere. I'm just looking for a good place to start my research. I don't care if it's Mesopotamian alchemy, 16th Century ship carpenter's notes, or Ray Mears' guide to primitive cultures and crafts.

Ingredients I have seen so far include wood ash, charcoal, bee's wax, different plant and tree saps, distilled spirits, honey, starches, sawdust, and lard. I don't want to reinvent the wheel here.

Even a brief description of what happens to resin at different temperatures would be helpful. Does it polymerize? Does it harden? Which solvents work?

>>579498
I have maybe 5 projects planned for making and playing primitive instruments. There are a bunch of folk songs everyone knows which I intend to learn to play (like a child with a recorder), but then add some movie and game soundtracks for some sneaky anachronism in the right mood. You know, like Zelda music or the songs from Ronja Rövardotter, maybe Concerning Hobbits even?
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>>579537
Like I just sealed a carved and ink-painted piece of bone with bee's wax for a transparent rain proofing. I have no idea if this will even work, how long it will last, or if it will lose transparency over time.
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>>579559
One thing I learned is to heat the material, not just the wax. Seems obvious, but - duh!
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Some re-enactor guy dedicated to cooking in the good old days.

https://www.youtube.com/user/jastownsendandson

Lots of fun recipes and cooking methods and some other things that might interest you.
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>>567509
I want to learn blacksmithing and smelting to make little iron trinkets and shit. I go gold panning when I go camping and I end up finding a lot of magnetite and it would be awesome to be able to do something with it but it seems that the refining and smithing processes are expensive and complicated

I was hoping I'd be able to find a guide that tells me I can just use a blowtorch and a crucible but I'm afraid my hopes have been dashed so far. Anybody have any experience with this?
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>>580634
Upon further investigation I found this forum and they have a sticky that looks full of the information I wanted

Here it is for any blacksmith anons and it looks like they talk about ceramics, welding, and woodworking too. Definitely worth a look

http://www.alloyavenue.com/vb/showthread.php?2803-Hall-of-Fame-(Threads-with-incredibly-useful-information)
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I'd like to cast metal.

To make bronze I'd have to melt copper - no way without a furnace.

I could buy ready made alloy bronze, but the temperature is still just out of reach. A forge fire might be enough though.

But here's the kicker: I want to do it at a reenactment. So camping out, no work bench, and open wood fire. I can cheat some fine sand and a casting frame, tongues and crucible. But fire bricks, gas burner, or ventilation pump would be too much.

Tin would be easy, but the result lacks.

Aluminium? The conditions are ideal. But it is probably the least authentic. Cracking Al2O3 takes powerful induction furnaces. Even primitive attempts only started in the 19th Century, people just didn't know metallic aluminium even existed while its compounds were of course widely used.

So what's the way to go here? Are there other metals I could use?
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>>580708
Brass?
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>>579115
If you watch all of his vids, I think he says he spent two years out there
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>>582427
Where did he charge his camera?
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>>580708
You can actually melt bronze primitive style.I did a few archeology summer camp where we partially lived neolithic-style. We cast bronze items once or twice over an extremely hot fire, going for several hours. The casts we made with banco, a kind of adobe made with dry straw malaxed into clay for at least twenty minutes. We had a bronze specialist with us though.
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>>582431
Sounds like an awesome time!
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>>582432
You bet. I fucked up one of my molds so we wrapped a whole walnut, shell and all, in clay and poured bronze into it. Burned the whole thing and we got bronze walnuts, fucking gorgeous. Did this with a few molds, still have one somewere.

Just to clarify things, I know bronze is not neolithic, but we took the opportunity and learned a bit from these awesome people. Had a fucking kiker time.
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>>570609
Tried my hand at leatherworking last hunting season.

Skinned/fleshed/bucked/tanned/smoked 4 deer hides

Skinned/fleshed/tanned/smoked 2 wild hog furs, 4 coon furs, 2 possum furs

Used eggs as the protein/catalyst base for traditional "brain tanning"

It was not fun at all, very time consuming, and the leather/furs I produced were of mediocre quality, 2/10 would not recommend.
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>>582474
Any ideas what to look out for especially, or what to avoid?

Could it have been the egg? The consistency of eggwhite seems much more viscous that that of blended brains. Maybe the fats help the catalyst penetrate the hide?

For skins without fur I've seen people simmer the material in a brain/water mix for hours.

The most important thing seems to be the stretching of the soaked hide. You really have to put your back into it and also be thorough.

I've never done it, but I've watched people do it at an ancient craft place, and their results were nice. Of course you can only do so much with the furs you have to work with any given day.
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So who here ever imagined going /out/ with tools like someone from colonial days, the crusades, the bronze age, or the last ice age?
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I wish I knew some herbal effects. I can hardly tell what's edible, let alone what it's good for.
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My dream homes.
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>>571349
>Hipster filtering propaganda.
Scum.
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Making rope

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By8K5mKSwDA
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWxiFfHPOdE
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Finding a piece of unmanaged forest.
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If you're interested in farming, there are BBC series' called Victorian Farm, Edwardian Farm and Wartime Farm, which look at farming in Britain between 1850 and 1945.
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>>590840
The BBC makes the best documentaries in that vein.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqlJSaGxlLzkWNxHJz5Qp5_NFAoqsZ9MJ
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>>576338
Where is this guy from? He's white but I don't recognize any of the flora and sounds of fauna in the video.

'strailia?
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>>590855
Looks Oz to me.
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>>572088
>Lindybeige

I like him as a youtube person but realize his truth to shit ratio is around 50%

Be wary of some of the shit he says.
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>>582427
Are you fucking retarded??
He didn't actually live there, it is just a hobby he does near where he lives
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>>590855
Yeah mate, Far North Queensland by the looks of it
>>590856
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I'd like to learn ancient hunting.

That and hide/leather working.
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>>567509
The part where I can walk into your village and take all your shit worth of value. Then sell it back to you.

The ancient craft of being a theif of course.
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>>591369
I'd just have you bring your shit to me, so I can sell it back to you.

But I call it fief.

I guess we're not all that different in a way.
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I want to hit something with a sling.

Something I aimed at.
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>>568079
This is great, I want to go make myself a canoe now.
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>>593586
We all do, son.

Not enough quality birches left.
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>>591208
This guy is correct. Believe he says it somewhere on his youtube channel.
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>>567509
Serfdom so I can have my own castle.
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https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5687547D198A8D95

Some of these have been posted.
Grand series, well worth a watch.
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>>582474

Eggs are a poor substitute for brains. But yeah, like a lot of these sorts of hobbies, it was smelly backbreaking labor that took a long time to master.
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>>595249
My time!
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Best!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRj1YYnsBGk&index=16&list=PL5687547D198A8D95
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>>593579
I got a seagull once. damn near destroyed its head while using a sling to skim stones across a lake.
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>>598712
>they can't actually live there because of work and labor laws
into the trash it goes
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>>599794
Well, their strength is in actual research of period sources. There are plenty of projects with people living era appropriately full time.
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/out/. Where threads never die.
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>>601674
You're right, let's make room for another Knoife General.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyJyXSd6ua4
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>>577650
hnnnnnnnnng

Some day I will have a shop that awesome.
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I want to smelt bronze from scratch. I have copper and various arsenic ores... But tin bronze would probably be a bit safer lol.
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>>570021
mfw they all sound like chipmunks
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuh_hAl_TGk
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>>571766

Tell the neighbours to fuck off if it's within hours.
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>>611124
HURR!
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>>567509

Kind of off topic?

But there is a group of monks building a monastery in Wyoming.

http://www.newmountcarmelfoundation.org/
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>>614234
The name sounds like they have much more to prove than the viability of primitive tech.
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>>579537
Look up STL Ocarina on YT. They do exactly that.
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>>614639
so cute!
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>>571341
top kek
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>>571349
this is from korea hellmarch
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>>567509
>Which ancient craft would you like to learn?
Masonry. Would like to know the mortar medieval castles that are still standing used.
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>>614234
>build drakar
>blacksmith swords and axes
>sail there with my band of brigands
>plunder the men, rape the cattle, slaughter the monastry and burn the women
>return home
>do it again the year after
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>>593579
slinging.org
The url is explanatory. I made a sling, it's pretty fun.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS9JaZsYbHA
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>>614898

I'd totally show up with a group of people dressed up as vikings.
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>>617723
Oh baby, even if the cops get us eventually.
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>>571766
I've done this. Just don't do it at night and you'll be fine. Use a gas forge though, coal stinks and generates tons of smoke. Look up "coffee can forge" and start there. A great book with excellent tutorials and illustrations is "The Complete modern blacksmith".
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>>618792
Can you fire a forge with propane or butane and air?
Or do you need acetylene and oxygen?
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>>567509
le chateau de guedelon :^)
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Halloween question:

What's the procedure for preserving bone?
Do you boil it? With soap? Salt?
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>>567509
brewing of meade
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>>623634
Mmmm, mead!
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>>623634

ez as pie m8

http://www.stormthecastle.com/mead/fast-cheap-mead-making.htm
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>>625239
great link
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyIzDvIUxH0
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>>577747

learn to conjoin sentences, homie
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnzNOxuqCNA
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bump?
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>>577747
>There's an ancient Iron Age shrine where I live though. Can't be seen though.
Cant be seen? What do you mean by this?
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>>632884
>butser ancient farm
I don't know what anon meant, but sometimes they close the museum to use it as a set for TV productions like Dr Who or documentaries.
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>>567509

Ye olde times were racist

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/20/us-usa-race-princeton-idUSKCN0T91BM20151120
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>>582474
>>582827
Brain tanning simply isn't ideal way to do it.
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>>634810
So are present times, and I would venture a guest that the future won't solve bigotry automatically.

The question is, which goode olde things are worth preserving, and which should be reconsidered.
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>>632884
>>634808
i'm not talking about Butser. Yes Butser is cool, there's an iron age shrine on the island i live on but it is covered in fields these days.
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Gingerbread with Jas Townsend

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Z2qwyHcPo
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>>605191
>uses a knife to pick up a bird's nest
what the actual fuck
I swear to god, this is what all those knifefags do. They are always looking for anything to use a knife for.
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Yule log
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq3KrQ23tnc
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>>634896
Is there a good natural way to tan leather? What about vegetable tanning?
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>>639848
Depends on what pelt you start with, and what sort of leather you want to end up with.
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>>567509

I'd like to learn cooperage.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaUY_maXvHU
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>>567509
>Which ancient craft would you like to learn?

All of them.

But in particular smelting and metal craft of all kinds (especially bronze), and stone masonry.

If only I had the land, I believe I could be perfectly content living on a bronze/iron age farm. It just seems so cozy, and I love building things, and working with my hands, or just doing hard, real, work rather than shuffling spreadsheets and paperwork and shit.
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>>580708
Bronze is perfectly do able, I mean they did manage it in the bronze age.

Just build a clay furnace and supply it with plenty of fuel and plenty of air. A charcoal fire can get hot enough to melt iron if designed properly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwo3rNLhlmI


Also bronze is fun because there are a number of different alloys you can do, like arsenic bronze (though not a great idea lol). That's actually where the concept of the lame smith such as hephaestus comes from, smelting arsenic bronze releases toxic fumes that fuck with your central nervous system if you inhale enough over time.
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>>590840
Also tales from the green valley, which is set in stuart times.
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>>593579
Slinging is fun, but damn it's hard as fuck to aim.
Best I've ever gotten was being able to aim within like a square meter (at 20') or so lol. Unfortunately where I currently live doesn't have such nice abundant heavy round pebbles.
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>>567509

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1ERDYjsHBg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v46lzPosC1g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLyw6w-UH6U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIbhoR1GBuI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1IUm3V546k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SssqL1OFuoU

This team has also made stories about Edwardian farms, "Green Valley" farms, Victorian farms... Just a big digging is necessary to find them.
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>>623634
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/16441
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>>595249

I've been watching these even before this thread. I like Peter Ginn, he's a pretty cool guy.
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>>643010
>Gutenberg

that reminds me of this scout manual from 1911. worth a read for the novelty. remember to check the advertisements at the end out and the prizing on pocket knives

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/29558/29558-h/29558-h.htm
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>>585690
This is a dope skill that I'm working on. That's lemon balm. It's good for depression and anxiety. Culpepper says it "lighteneth the spirit."
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>>646036
>Culpepper
https://www.gutenberg.org/etext/49513
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>>646036
This is good for coffee.
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Writing ancient 'fonts' with a nib.
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>>585690
I've been getting into that lately myself.
Just put up my first batch of dried leaves last month.
Recently tried to make a blended infusion of lemon balm+cinnamon+cloves+honey, but the honey just overpowered everything.
Lavender tea sounds lovely, but last time turned out really bitter.

Any ideas of what I should try next?
>dried leaves: lemon balm, mint, sage, chamomile, lavender, stevia
>store-bought: cinnamon, cloves, honey
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>>650681
I have a dried tray full of those leaves >>585690
It's a nice tea, but even better as a vodka infusion.
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>>567509
I'd like to learn blacksmithing. I do gardening, different types of food preservation, carpentry, masonry, and most /out/ stuff that isn't mountain climbing and doesn't involve heights.
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>>619888
>Can you fire a forge with propane or butane and air?
Most of the farriers I've seen work use a propane forge without bottled oxygen.
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>>625239
>http://www.stormthecastle.com/mead/fast-cheap-mead-making.htm
>>627322
>>623634
Use brewer's yeast instead of the bread yeast, some of those strains leave a bad taste when fermented at room temp. And add some whole cloves, but not too many. Five or six per gallon max. Cloves add wonderful spice, but they're powerful. Hard cider is easy, too. Pineapple juice will ferment completely and have no sweetness, but it mixes extremely well with 7-up after fermentation. Beer is more difficult, but I like the end product more than mead or cider.
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>>567509
im gunna try to get into whittling when I get back to school (might go check out Bishops Castle too as I go to school in CO)
Going to Poland for 2 weeks tomorrow and I have a lot of schoolwork I need to get done. It might be a good idea to ask my grandparents/relatives there for advice about it while there
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>>653326
I've been getting into whittling. The first day that it sat down and worked at I improved so much. Literally went from only being able to do 2d cutouts to making little animals. It's a great hobby. And people eat that shit up as gifts
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>>653336
got any knife/whetstone recommendations?
my birthdays in 3 weeks so i feel like I can get myself a present and I'd be willing to spend a moderate amount of money on this
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>>653347
Two bladed knife, small 1 1/2 inches and under, the larger 2 1/2 inches and under. For projects like utensils, walking sticks, slingshots, toys, etc you will be using that little blade almost the entire time.

That's also assuming you want convenient pocket carry. You could also get specialty carvers or just 2 fixed blades if you wish.
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>>653364
>>653347
Like he said, smaller, short blades that you can get your hands around and manipulate are the best. I have a cast iron curved knife that I bought at an archery festival that I pretty much exclusively use, I wish I could take a pic but I'm on vacation. The curved back just makes it nice to brace your thumb against the back which is pretty much the only way I can whittle.
And I prefer fixed blades just because they're more sturdy, but that's just my preference. And I'm not really an expert on any of this stuff especially not sharpening
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>>637353
>uses a knife to pick up a bird's nest
Not a bad idea, actually. Birds do sometimes carry parasites you don't want.
>didn't watch the video myself
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>>653347
There is a pocket knife configuration called the "whittler." That and a knife with a curved blade for scooping hollows should get you started.

As for sharpening, go to bladeforums.com and look in the maintenance section. Good stuff there, including lots of microscopic photography of cutting edges.
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Last bump of 2015.

>Garden grown fruit to liquor.
>Nib calligraphy
>Recyclables to oil lamps
>Forged iron pan cooking
>First bone carving

It's been a year.
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Well, it's been fun.

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