What backpacks do you have for day trips? Is 35L too big?

The fuck? Just use your normal pack

>>1079529
>Carrying a backpack that's more than twice as big as it needs to be for no reason
Yeah no

>>1079520
>day trips
>35L
Unless you're carrying lots of gear to a specific activity that's way too big. My cheapshit 20L fits all I need, even my 10L eastpak is big enough. Fuck for day trips you don't even need a backpack.

>>1079534
>wasting your money on another pack because you're too retarded to pull the compression straps
It's a day trip, fool. Have you truly been so brainwashed by gear salesmen that you believe a pound or two less on your back is going to make a difference over a single day?
>inb4 m-muh weight distribution
Learn to pack.

>>1079520
depends on, I am tall, live where I need a rain jacket and a pack cover, I got a dogo, a cam, maybe book, I like it in the 35l range, most people want less.
Also, no need to shell out for a starter daypack.

>>1079538
I already have an every day backpack and it's too small you retard, I need another hiking backpack because carrying a multi day backpack for single day trips is idiotic and makes it way more of a hassle to travel with.

>>1079536
>10L
How? My Fjällräven Kånken 15 lnch laptop is 18L and barely fits all the stuff I need to bring to work

>>1079549
>I need another hiking backpack because carrying a multi day backpack for single day trips is idiotic
Boy you really drank the kool aid huh? Eh, your money.

>>1079553
Indeed, now run along and let the adults who have jobs do the talking and you can stick to intentionally making your life more difficult just to stick it to da man, you'll grow out of it soon enough

>>1079520
A 40 L. I just don't pack it that much for daytrips. It will fit a few days of stuff, just one bag for shorter trips incl. 1 day. For longer trips or more gear I have a bigger one.

The bigger one is too big to carry with 1/5th filled for daytrips.

The best pack is such that you kind of not notice it.

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>>1079520
>Can't find any serious reviews for Fjällräven gear because it's just a bunch of posts from Americans jerking themselves off to the "Scandinavian gear porn" which I don't give a shit about since I'm actually Swedish

>>1079558
Contd.
Bag itself weighs 1.04 kilograms

>>1079566
Prova utsidan punkt se

>>1079520
Wtf ive seen thru hikers with far less

What are you bringing

>>1079520
No backpack at all, just a bag of around 15l (german army assault pack, similiar to the usmc buttpack).
And even that is mostly empty unless I'm collecting wild fruits (which is the reason I carry it in the first place, in winter I carry no bags at all for daytrips), most gear (canteen, water filter, flare / pepper gun, knife) goes on my belt. mainly because backpacks make me sweat like an ox.

whether 35l is to much depends on what you put in there. Some questions to help you along:

Do you carry water in your pack / part of it on your belt / only a filter to drink from streams?

By day trip, do you mean sleeping at home before and after, or do you have to carry a sleeping bag / blanket to sleep in some trailside hut or hostel?

Do you eat on the trail? If so, do you cook (and thus need a cooker + pot)? do you carry your food with you / collect it on the wayside / buy on the trail?

what emergency gear do you carry (flares, first aid kit, emergency blanket / bag, radio, bear spray etc.)?

Do you carry a change of clothes in case you get wet, sweaty or dirty? A second pair of shoes? Rain gear?

>>1079520
A cheap 20L suits my needs for a 3 days trip. Just use what you have at hand.

>Middle of summer and clear skies, not going up high altitudes
You could go with 5l fucking water bladder and put in a sandwich with a few protein bars and squeeze a small book in and you're sweet
>Middle of summer and clear skies and going up high altitudes
15-20l backpack with the above but also a jacket and rain jacket with other basic emergency supplies in event of weather change
>Winter/Spring with sudden with possible sudden change in temps.
25-35l backpack with above stuff plus emergency food and extra mid layer.

It's pretty fucken common sense really. I mean for fuck sake, one day hike I did while I was in New Zealand was about 30km long and over 1200metres of altitude. All I took for this was a 1litre water bottle in my hand, camera on in pocket and a sandwich in the other pocket.

Don't listen to this retard here >>1079529

>>1079520
I think i have the one in the picture, but in black. deuter futura pro 36. It's good. Pretty versatile.
You don't HAVE TO fill it up to 40L, you know..

>>1079553
Not OP, but my multiday pack is over 4 lbs. I wouldn't take it on anything less than an overnighter.

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Almost perfect size for sunny hikes where you don't need to bring anything but water and food, but ultimately a bit too small

Do you guys find the hip belt makes much of a difference for these smaller packs? Assume <10 lbs loaded up

>>1079841
Hip belts at that size are only going to provide stability, not to carry weight.

>>1079843
Useful for quick tissue or Cliff bar access

>>1079529
>Just use your normal pack
That's incredibly terrible advice for a newfag like me.

Unlike most regulars on /out/ and /trv/, all I have is a standard school backpack. Not even a good one, at that. The last time I went on a trip with it, my back and shoulders were begging me to stop, and that was just a city trip.

I use modern 35l+ packs. they weight almost nothing. plus a bigger backpack is easier to pack.

>>1079784
>1200metres of altitude
so it's fucking nothing

>>1079843
Explain

>>1079536
> Fuck for day trips you don't even need a backpack

more bad advice. not everyone lives where you live.

I'd be stupid to go out for a day trip here without at least waterproofs.

>>1080207
Not him but when you carry a heavy pack, the actual weight load should be mainly on the hip belt, not the shoulders. That way the strain goes directly to your legs instead of fucking up your spine. The shoulder straps, unlike the ones on a high school Jansport, are mostly there to keep the pack firmly aligned against your body, since a heavy pack can move your center of weight backwards which is ergonomically disastrous and even dangerous if your path includes scrambling over rocks, etc. If you put the weight of your pack on your shoulders and not on your hips, you should probably change that immediately. Anyway he seems to be saying that once you reach lighter weights (<10lbs) it becomes less of a concern, and instead you should just make sure the pack fits you in a way that's as stable and unobtrusive as possible.

>>1079841
I don't really use it with smaller packs, except only sometimes: I snap it on and loosen the shoulder straps to let muscles rest a bit.

For bigger packs it's a must.

>>1080215
Thanks buddy.

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>implying this pack isn't completely suitable for up to 7 days
>implying 8 year olds all across america don't carry it all day every day


I really have no faith left in this board.

>>1080234
If you're sleeping in a car then you might as well not go outside at all

>>1080236
Who said anything about car?

>>1080238
Because I assume you don't sleep on the ground without any tent or sleeping bag

Day? Trips?

>day trips
>backpack
Haha what kind of fatbody needs a backpack to go /out/ for a DAY? What's in the bag, spare hiking poles and geocache loot? Wait, let me guess

>I go /out/ in a special extreme area in such an extreme hardcore way that you wouldn't understand so I need an ArcTeryx bag to survive for 8 hours

Sure buddy :)

>>1080240
You've assumed wrong.

You don't know how to make a shelter?

P.s. a tarp and wool blanket fit just fine in that bag only filling it 2/5 of the way

None. Snacks in one pocket, water intother.

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>>1080243
>Haha what kind of fatbody needs a backpack to go /out/ for a DAY?
People who actually travel to different areas to hike and can't just go back home whenever they want, something you'd understand if mommy let you stay outside for more than an hour

>>1080272
"Day trip"

U r a moran

>>1080243
Not that anon but when I'm out walking innasticks for 8h day trip I have 3-4 l of water, food, stove + fuel + knife + small trashbag and some coffee. Rain clothes + dry socks + a tiny FAK in case the stove explodes in my face or some shit like that.

I have a backpack because my meme pants can't fit 3 litres of water and all the other shit in my pockets.

During spring/autumn sometimes removing clothing layers is required. A good place to put those is in the backpack.

>>1080273
I don't think you know what that word means, a day trip just means you're going to reach your destination in a day and if you're out traveling then that means you're going to do multiple day hikes if you have a base camp to stay at, it doesn't mean that you leave your house and go back in a day

>>1080273
Surely you realize that some of us live places where it might start raining any second all year? I don't go anywhere without waterproofs they don't fit in my pockets (even though that would be awesome). The years I spent logging taught me that.

>>1080272
>>1080279
>day trips mean more than 1 day!
I think carrying your 40lb bags to hike 3 miles into a National Park twice a year has had some kind of adverse effect on your intelligence

>>1080281
Oh, so you go /out/ in a special extreme area in such an extreme hardcore way that I wouldn't understand so you need an ArcTeryx bag to survive for 8 hours, now it all makes sense

>>1080281
>afraid of rain
Oh cmon mr.logger, it takes a concerted effort to die in the PNW
>>1080279
Are you sure? That doesnt make much sense to me. Would you consider the PCT to be composed of hundreds of day trips?

>>1080283
>you go /out/ in a special extreme area in such an extreme hardcore way
No. I'm just implying that different climates exist. And what works well for you won't necessarily work well for everyone else. It's called perspective dumbass.

>>1080285
>Afraid of rain
Nah. I'd just rather be comfy than rough it all the time.

t. Not American

>>1080285
>>1080283
A day trip refers to a hike that can be completed in a single day, it doesn't refer to how many days you're spending outdoors.

>>1080291
And yes, if you complete a section of the PCT in a single day then it's a day hike, if it takes more than a day then it's a multi day hike.

>>1080291
I see what you're saying, but it still doesn't make much sense. You're breaking things down to a weird level. You're still in the woods, and most people are going to consider the whole and not the part in relation to that.
>>1080287
To each their own

>>1080297
Why not? Sitting alone in your tent in the middle of the woods and jacking off isn't the only way to be outdoors. This refers more to trails and hiking, getting from point A to point B by foot, than just bushcrafting and things like that.

>>1080307
I mean I suppose if that's common terminology for hikers then I'll accept it. I just don't go on hiking blogs so I wouldn't know.

It makes sense that when doing a long thru hike that breaking it into "day hikes" would be easier for certain people, so I agree there.

I do thru hikes once or more a year and I always broke things down into goals, but had never heard that version of terminology before.

I use my Zpacks Arc Blast for day trips. I take the hip belt off and with the roll top you can really get that pack pretty small

>>1080309
It's not common terminology, the guy is making up his own to save face from his previous retardation. A day trip is a day trip. You don't do a 3 day trip, set up a "base camp," then do subsequent day trips within your multiday trip that somehow require different gear that you happened to bring, that is the stupidest thing I've ever read on /out/. Stop replying to that moron, he's going to keep moving the goalposts/redefining the simplest of concepts.

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>>1080315
>The literal dictionary definition isn't "common terminology"
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/day%20hike

>>1080317
To an extent slang is going to be more common than Webster's

>>1080320
It's not slang, it literally just refers to a hike that can be completed in a single day. You mongolids are reading too much into it

Question for the experts in this thread, I'm going to thru hike the California section of the PCT. Going to divide it into one 2 week trip, 4 5 day trips, 4 3 day trips, and 9 day trips. What I can't figure out is how do I carry all 4 backpacks at the same time? On top of eachother? 2 in the back two in the front? Maybe some kind of little cart I can carry the other three on while I wear the pack specific to the amount of days I arbitrarily divided my trip into?

>>1080322
No, you are. Literally you are.

>>1080328
Okay, you sure showed me, I'm going to take a random autist on 4chans word for it instead of the actual dictionary

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>>1080325
You could carry two packs on this thing. One on your back and one on the front.

Let's use our thinking caps here

If a day hike = any hike that can completed in a day, INCLUDING a days long segment of a thru hike

Then the supplies needed for a day hike could = anything from flip flops to an entire fucking sled dog team

If a day hike = going for a hike for a day

Then the supplies needed for a day hike = a small backpack
So, in a thread where one is questioning what's needed for a day hike, would you advocate for a sled dog team? If not, then clearly a day hike doesn't refer to "the activity you complete in one day".

>>1080325
I'd probably recommend you to stay at home since you don't seem to know what the difference between a thru hike and day hike is

>>1080333
Trips confirms

A thru hike consists of a combination of day trips and multi day trips, it's not rocket science

>>1080340
>a full ejaculation consists of multiple penile strokes and half penile strokes

>>1080340
Actually a thruhike would be a single multi day trip

>>1080344
If the only thing you do is walk and walk without any planning on how far you're going to walk every day, sure, but people who knows what a segment is plan their hike around them.

>>1080347
One trip is from when you leave home until you return home.

>>1080344
>single multi day trip
if you never ever went into town or took breaks, sure. But nobody does that. Hikes end when you hit town. Then you head back out for another multiday or day hike before you hit another town.

>>1080349
[citation needed]

>>1080350
I think we're getting into semantics here

If you complete a segment in one day then it's a day hike, if it takes more than one day then it's a multi day hike

This is a stupid discussion to have

A day hike is when you hike 24 hours straight without stopping. Doesn't matter where you started or if it's part of a multiday hike or thru hike. Backpacks are not appropriate for day hikes because you have to stop to open them, thus stopping the day hike turning it into just a divided multihour hike. When I day hike I use a hydration bladder pack with no storage and a hip bag for nutrition/emergency supplies. I doubt anyone on this board has actually done a day hike besides me (I am a semi pro ultra runner and use day hikes for mental training), so don't waste your time listening to idiotic advice in this thread.

>>1080356
>This is a stupid discussion to have
On that we agree.
Let's just stop it then.

>>1080356
And day hike can refer to both leaving your home and getting back home in a day and doing a segment in one day

>>1080357
>24 h without peeing
>peeing while running
>re-tie shoelaces while running
>emergency
How do you manage those while not stopping at all?

>>1080357
>adding more retardation to this shitstorm
Semi pro ultra shitposter, more like.

>>1080372
>24 h without peeing
If you balance hydration while exerting yourself you won't need to pee
>peeing while running
see above
>re-tie shoelaces while running
I use lock laces
>emergency
Such as? Few require stopping

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>>1080234
this sack is good for hiking from daddys basement to neighboors backyard

>>1080395
Swear to god I hiked 180 miles in the cascades in winter with a military duffelbag you fucking pansy

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>>1079861
Then train more. My backback was broken, so i used a fucking shopping tote. It werks.

Going /out/ is the goal, not staying in until finally you have shopped for all the perfect gear.

>>1080799
I didn't know they had tote bags in Biblical times Jesus

>>1080234
good point. people who explored the new world had even less and carried more. 'gear' is one big circle jerk to make $$$. Sissies.

>>1079520
I'd aim for around 25l, that's good enough to hold a day's worth of stuff both in winter and in the summer, while not being as big that going smaller would provide a lot of advantage.

The guys saying you should just use a kid's schoolpack are retards. If you buy a good quality pack and take care of it, it will last you years and provide more comfort on your hike. You can use a hiking pack for work / school too, but a shitty fashion accessory will make you cry at the end of a long hike while costing the same or more.

Stay away from TNF, and make sure to try it on irl with weight.

>>1084620
>cant carry 8 pounds in a school bag

>day trip
>backpacks

90% of day trips I do I just have water, a snack, and whatever I would usually carry with me around town.
Why would you need a dedicated backpack?

>>1084669
>Why would you need a dedicated backpack?
Rain jacket, some clothes if the weather turn to shit. If you're one of those faggots itt who think a day trip means going to the city park, yeah, you don't need a backpack.

>>1084649
>8 pounds
Depending on location and weather, even the water you need could be well above that.
Also it's not a question of can or can't, most people don't go out to suffer. The same way you wouldn't use a shitty ill-fitting shoe, you shouldn't use a pack that leaves you in pain.

>>1084669
>a snack
You are talking about 2 hours long walks not dayhikes.
>whatever I would usually carry with me around town
the fuck is that and why would you take that
>Why would you need a dedicated backpack?
Well you clearly don't need one.

>>1084669
You're aware of what a day trip is, right? It's not a 30 minute walk around your local park

>>1084669
I do day trips that are 15-20 miles

I bring water, water filter so I'm not carrying undeeded water, snacks, meals, rain jacket, and a few first aid things.