Axes

Cost

>>1053300
by your description the only rational choice is the hultafors hatchet

Dont buy a new axe, theyre overpriced to all fuck. Just look around at pawn shops and online for an old collins or sandvik head. Then make a handle for it, you can make it exactly how you want it and its a good excuse to buy some tools.

>>1053310
>don't buy an axe
>buy tons of tools to make an axe
>then spend tons of time making it
>screw up a few times
>it builds character
rofl

Estwing or Vaughn carpenters hatchet.

>>1053329
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Spotted the tooless and skilless beta

>>1053332
i'm just pointing it out that people buy stuff instead of making them for a reason. when your time is more valuable and your skills are elsewhere it's the rational thing to buy from a craftsman with the tools experience know-how that makes them more efficiently. that's why we have this wonderful thing called market.

>>1053335
>He said while on 4chan
Nigger I realise time is worth something, but unless youre pulling in a 100k sallary its worth it to spend 4 hours restoring an axe.

>>1053300
>hold up to a lot of abuse.
fuck you you axe abusing cunt!

>>1053337
i'm at work. i'm basically paid to lurk here.

>>1053343
>Is a white collar faggit
>Is a lazy buyfag
You disgust me!!

>>1053346
you are trying too hard. also i never said i'm against crafting it it's something you enjoy but teaching an anon that wants a new blade how to smelter, cast, forge, grind, drill, sand, harden, anneal, sharpen, construct scales, and make finish and make him invest in all the tools and materials when all he want's is a fucking knife is just overdoing it.

>>1053361
Are you having this same argument in a knife thread?
Anyways me thinks its pretty retarded to forge an axe head, im just telling OP to find an old axe head, clean the rust off it. Make a handle for it (buy it for all I care, theyre like $10), put an edge on it and then make a sheath for it. This shit isnt hard, and youll end up with a real fucking good axe for a fraction of the cost of a gransfors.

Also fuck you, you white collar bitch.

>>1053366
>he doesnt make 6 figures starting straight out of college
>mysides.png

honestly though, i make like 50k a year and i still wouldn't waste my time restoring an old axe over just buying a new one.

>>1053343

Intelligence work? Glad you guys are contributing. Any insights about axes that you picked up in Ninja School?

>>1053300
Scandinavian axes are suitable for Scandinavian trees. Read about felling axe patterns for your area, and get a small felling axe/camp axe that suits the wood.

I'm in Australia and the gransfors/hultafors/husqvarna axes all get seriously bound up every single swing. I bought an old plumb camp axe for 5 bucks at a garage sale with a Tasmanian pattern head and the thing sails through wood here and never gets bound up. It goes head to head with my friend's Fiskars X27 splitting axe on everything up to 60cm rounds. Even then I can break a 60cm round down faster than he can by splitting perpendicular for the first few strikes.

Light enough to use one handed, safer than a hatchet, fells a tree easily, perfect for camp crafts. If you're just going to buy a general purpose axe without knowing the wood you're going to use it on, then a Fiskars is probably your best bet though.

you have to be retarded or wranglerstar to need 4 hours to restore an axe

>>1053515
Or need more than 1 tool and a 10 cent sheet of sandpaper to make a handle.

>>1053300
i like the husqvarna axes. I got the Carpenter's Axe and its great

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>>1053366
I like this kind of stuff. It's a good experience and you feel more self reliant for it. something satisfying and personal about the whole process.

If OP wants to buy, when I was looking into things this was my axe of choice (pic). Gransfors is certainly the benchmark but this ended up edging it out in what I had read about them. I'm not a big les stroud fan even being canadian but I think the design is great for an outdoorsmans uses.

>>1053490
you can't beat fiskars on capability for the price.

>>1054423
Actually you can beat the fucking shit out of it.

>>1053300
OP look for a Council Boys Axe. 28" handle, 2.25 LB head, decent steel and good profile. It is thicker than the high end stuff like Grabsfors Bruk, but it sticks less in hardwood. Perfectly useful axe for less than $30 US.

Buy that an a diamond file or stone, dress up the edge (they come dull but so do almost all axes) and go to work.

>>1054343
>when I read about them

/out/ in a nutshell

>>1053300
WTF does "Cody effective" mean by the way?

>>1054343
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUZk76_h7oA

>>1054510
>Actually you can beat the fucking shit out of it.
really? tell me more about that don't be so smug.

>>1054510
>Council Boys Axe. 28" handle
that blade profile weight and length... i don't know what to make of it... it does look like a felling axe for children.

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>>1055023
I have a mystery 2 lb hatchet with a similar shape that was on an 18"(?) handle. Was cumbersome with one hand and awkward with two so I hung it on a 28" and it's great. fine for light splitting, great for chopping, and still packable for short trips. I think if this one gets fucked up even more I'll get a council.
>tfw friend used it to split on concrete

>>1054513
Read the second post, you mong.

>>1053300

Gransfors are great axes. You shouldn't be "abusing" your axe though. Putting it to hard work is one thing. But you need to use it on a proper surface (a large flat cross section of a log), you need to keep the sheath and head and handle all oiled. You shouldn't hammer the poll, you shouldn't use it as a splitting maul for logs that are too big.

>>1054513
It means you should be able to operate the axe while barefoot and wearing shorts.

>>1053335
>people buy stuff instead of making them for a reason.
And the reason is that they don't know how to do anything - that will only change if they do something themselves.

I have wasted probably thousands of hours learning and doing things that I would not need to. Other people have hobbies, you have
>this wonderful thing called market
and the boring job that you hate.

>>1053337
And for those of us pulling 70 hour weeks and making 120k annually, what is a great axe?

>>1057767
Best Made Co.
It will look nicest on your wall because you never have time to use it.

>>1057792
Kek, I take a couple weeks off a year to go hiking and I go once a month on my monthly weekend off for three season camping.

>>1057634
>And the reason is that they don't know how to do anything
no the reason is it's more economic thus worth it to buy instead of to make and work for it in your own field expertise. don't be a retard and try to deny the efficiency of market economy.

>>1053300
since no one wants to actually talk about what OP asked about.

i personally like this one
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002GKC0VO/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=I2AH9NPK4GWZ5Y&colid=1WBMOAG8ZHO85

>>1058922
It has a wood handle.
It can't take abuse.

>>1058340
Enjoy having no skills when the socialism to capitalism ratio goes full carborator malfunction and society comes to a screaming halt against the piston walls of nature.
Being self sufficient is like having seafoam.

>>1053300
>cost effective

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=885pvnfMAY8

get a boys axe. its 1/4 the cost of a gb, murican made and doesn't require being on a waiting list.

its not gucci but its every bit as good an axe as the gb. Dayton pattern is the shiznit, not that it really matters to anyone on /out/. we're just enthusiasts not loggers but its a good head for North American wood.

and trust me its nothing like a felling axe. its a good packable axe. but you do whatever you want

>>1058965
Seafoam does fucking nothing.
Misting water in the intake works a thousand times better.

>>1053300
Don't get a Gransfors Bruks if you're going to abuse it. Those are finely crafted cutting tools that should be treated with care.

If you insist on having something hand forged, Wetterlings are cheaper and still pretty nice.

My next choice would be an German Oxhead axe.

If you're just going to treat it like shit though, split wood right on the ground without a chopping block and stuff, just get a Fiskars or a hardware store axe.

>>1058970
Never tried that, sounds like it would just explode my lawnmower.

>>1058973
>hand forged
get real dude

>>1055017
I have a relatively small fiskars, haven't been able to break it just yet. It is very nice for the price you pay for it. Also, it hurts a lot less to punt a dent in a €25 axe than in a €125 axe. Steal is just average, so easy to sharpen as well.

>>1058974
Nope. It works.

The mist becomes steam during combustion cycle and decarbonises the engine.

If you need to clean injectors, etc use 10:1 Gasoline to Kerosene or Biodiesel.

>>1058961
It shouldn't be abused in the first place

I have this axe >>1058922 and it's a solid tool. Handle is slightly too short for two-handed use and needed a bit of thinning to get it comfortable for my own use though. Not a reason to disregard it but something to consider

>>1059028
>it shouldn't be abused in the first place
Unquestionably true, but completely irrelevant.

The criteria for the ax is that it can withstand abuse.

My vote goes to Fiskars or Estwing if you want a known brand.

Otherwise get whatever Harbor freight is selling.
Preferably with fiberglass handle.

>>1059027
But wouldnt the evorating temp be to low? Like it would turn to steam to quick and fuck your piston?

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>>1053300
Go gransfors if you want a really nice axe out of the box that's going to always have high value. If you're on a budget then look at condor or a husky. The condor cloud burst seems to be a good middle ground axe. But be advise condor axes doesn't come anywhere as sharp as gransfors. Or atleast my little Greenland patterned axe didn't.

>>1059063
Why does nobody on here know how to sharpen an axe themselves? Worse yet, nobody seems to know how to walk into a pawn shop, look at an axe head, and then clean the rust off it and buy a handle for it.
Im not even a boomer and I swear to all fuck I hate your generation.

>>1059070
Here we go again with the "muh pawn shop" bullshit, not everyone has a pawn shop with a thousand ax heads laying around so that you have half as much choice. Not everyone might have the equipment, time or patience to clean a deep pitted ax head and clean up the edge especially considering pawn shop axes tend to be much worse off than the ones on ebay.

>>1059082
>Wah wah im a mellenial!!!

>>1059063
Gransfors' sheath design is a bit crap, the handles are still thick and the grind isn't actually that good for chopping and the profile is too thin for splitting wood. Get a Hultafors and just regrind it a bit. If anything Hultafors grind on their lower end axes is better because there's more material to work with so you can give it the Gransfors scandi grind or a functional full convex with no speed bumps.

>>1059083
Of course, because you found a few cheap ax heads automatically means everyone else did too. The cheapest axe head i found here where i live was 15 € and the fucking eye was (poorly) welded because some retard probably pounded steel wedges with it, the head is stupidly corroded and has deep pitting and the edge resembles a crosscut saw that an ax. And of course, the pawn shop axes tend to have the pattern of the region the pawn shop is located in and, i'm sorry, but i'm not the biggest fan of the Rheinland pattern which is the majority of the pawn shop axes i find (the rest are fucking ancient battle axes), so your poverty should mean i'm not allowed to buy a mostly finished ax?

>>1059088
>wah wah im a lazy fuck!!

>>1059091
>wah wah i'm, a bitter faggot because i can't afford a fucking ax
In what fucking condition do you think old timers bought their axes? You think Kelly, Sager or Pioneer just sold the head and you sharpened it and hung it? If i found a True Temper or something yeah i'd restore it, but i'm not gonna restore some shitty no name brand ax just because some homo on 4chan said so.

>>1059094
Stop arguing with Americans.

>>1059094
You really are fucking pathetic, do you even own any tools? You could afford some if you were better with your money.

>>1059135
Yes i own plenty of tools, i even own a few ones that i restored, that being said, it's often better to buy a tool from a manufacturer because you have more of a guarantee that you'l get something of quality since with vintage axes, there is a chance it's fucked up maybe it was owned by some retard, we're not all the same all wise axe user like you that we can just tell that ax wasn't misused or god forbid overheated at some point. On the other hand, if you buy an ax from say Gransfors, if it's shit quality maybe the handle is bad or poorly hung, or the blade is butchered to shit you can send it back and receive a new one.

>>1059083
Millenials might be feminine cucks but only a X gen faggot like you still has the baby boomer residual way of thinking of "because I did everyone else can"

We're not all living the same lives homo.

>buy decent axe on sale for 50 bucks
>done

Or your way.


>drive around pawn shops in the city hoping one has a decent axe head
>buy tools I'd never use in my life again to restore it
>semi restore it since I'm not well versed in what I'm doing
>not really happy with the axe nor with the money and time spent on that useless quest
>should have just bought a brand new one

Ohhh look at me. I'm so manly i restored an axe... wow how cool and self reliant I am right guys? I'm so manly i sure told them millenials on 4chan...

Pathetic.

>>1053366

I could buy your wife and kids and hire other stupid blue collar simpletons to rape you and your family.

Better be careful peasant.

>>1059151
>never use in my life again
Someone doesnt own a spokeshave

>>1059132

Fuck you don't lump me in with that insecure faggot. He's obviously a low I.Q. white trash American.

I was in the Military. Worked as a PMC, do MMA and have plenty of outdoor experience and yet I'm not here calling people pussies behind a computer screen because I can restore an axe.

That guy is just an insecure probably ugly dumb genetic failure and his only sense of worth comes from being able to use a few simple tools any retard can learn if they wanted to.

>>1059155

Why would I?

>>1059156
Whose retarded when the retard is out retarded by the cunt who cant even restore an axe?

>>1059163
Well apparently you since you can't seem to comprehend that when someone says they don't feel like wasting time restoring an ax only for it to end up a shit ax head. Not wanting or not willing to do something is different than not being able to do it, retard.

>>1059165
Theres a word for that, its called excuses.
Also see...
>lazy
>retard

>>1059070
I do sharpen and re hang my axes. I have plump, true temper, kelly, and master mechanics axes that are older than the mountains.
>>1059084
Condor makes much better sheaths but I believe it's gransfors thing to use the least amount of leather for their sheaths for conservation or something like that. As for the grind, I have no issues with my two forest axes for normal bushcraft and logging choirs. I had a gransfors splitting maul and it worked great, but I was a dummy and sold it when I got lazy and got a log splitter. But I heat my home with wood all fall and winter so I don't mind being a little lazy when I have to wake up every 2 hours to put wood in the stove.

>>1059168
>hurr durr if someone doesn't want to do something they're automatically lazy
>hurr durr i'm macho because i can halfassedly restore an axe
>hurr durr i'm a homo that goes on 4chan to brag about how macho i am
Go fucking brag to your gay lover, Jorge might care about that shit, we don't.

What's with all you retards that either think the way to acquire an axe is to restore some old, rusty piece of shit and on the other side you have guys that think the only decent ax is an expensive Swedish boutique axe?
Can't you donkeys accept others opinions and live life or are you all drama whores and wannabe Dudley Cook imitators?

>>1059185
Where you you think you are?

>>1059189
Well for a second i though i was on a website with semi-respectful people, but apparently i must've stumbled onto a kindergarten for special needs man-children.

>>1059193
MANNERS ARE FOR NORMIES!!!!

>>1058973
>Don't get a Gransfors Bruks if you're going to abuse it. Those are finely crafted cutting tools that should be treated with care
Are you a complete fucking bell end? They're made to be used, not polished

>>1059733
Not that anon but i think he meant don't get a Gränsfors if you're gonna use it for shit where it's likely to chip, rust or where the handle might get ruined. That's what he meant, your reading comprehension is shit because he said
>If you're just going to treat it like shit though, split wood right on the ground without a chopping block and stuff, just get a Fiskars or a hardware store axe.
I mean, it takes a moron to not be able to notice that last part, but this is 4chan after all.

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>>1059195
>normies

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>>1053300
Husqvarna makes good axes for relatively cheap.

They aren't as amazing as Gransfors, but for $70 you get much more than you pay for.

>>1059193
Why the fuck would you think that? This is 4chan

Grab a Nordic bearded axe. Only way to cut heads

>>1053300
yknow, i have https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004SN1HGQ/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

an i have tried to sharpen it with a fallkniven DC4 using olive oil, an i sat there trying for a while at a (i can only assume mostly) 45 degree angle, its still not "hair shaving" sharp...

why? same problem with my knives, i got a mora an i just cant get it hari shaving sharp.... wtf am i doing wrong

>>1062569
>45 degree angle.
top lel. Is that per side?

>>1062569
Sharpening each side at a 45 or both together at a 45?
Maybe ease up on the pressure and use very light strokes and just the forward motion, don't drag the knife backwards.

I'm happy with my Soviet Novoexport hatchet. I'd recommend that if you ever come across one.

>>1062569
well usually the problem is using stones too fine.
you have to start on a rough stone say 180 grit, and once you made the edge with that you can move on to finer stones to refine that edge.

you can try grind with a 1000 grit stone till the end days if your edge is gone.

>>1063447
altho there is one thing i find funny, the dc4 has a very aggressive diamond side that should eat up your steel nicely unless you did actually put olive oil on it... diamond stones are supposed to be used dry.

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This one would be really effective and hard to break..

https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00YKUG032/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=9603-21&camp=1638&creative=6742&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B00YKUG032&linkId=e19453a52721df85e7699ccf5b8aaf03

>>1059185
I can understand the restoration folk (unless it's the people who just restore axes to take pictures of them, what's the use in that), old axe heads can last a long time. I don't know how many times our axes have gone through handles but some of the axe heads have been in use since my grandfather. What I don't understand either is the people who like brands - those seem to be quite numerous on this board. Spending big money on equipment just because it's a brand name just doesn't sound like a great deal and I'm skeptical of the plastic axes. And instead of getting some fancy Swedish axes that look like something you'd see in a viking movie, I'd rather get an axe from a local business, it's going to live just as long if not longer and it's much more functional than the weird shaped ones you see in some of these threads.

Make your own faggot

>>1064211
Your post is stupid and I don't think you actually know anything about axes.

>>1063449
The Diamond plate on the DC4 is 400grit or something similar.
You will wear down the plate to nothing long before you set the bevel on an axe.
Don't blame the oil.

If you want to set a bevel, grab a file or a stone/paper thats 80 grit or rougher.

>>1053331
Everything this anon says is true.

>>1064227
I know the difference between my grandfather's axe which can be fixed and a plastic axe which you can throw into the trash if the handle gets fucked. They're not branded goods but they've been working for decades.

>>1064211
>>1064291
What region are you from?

>>1059181
Go away. Maybe these useful men could have posted a short how to on restoring an axe instead of wasting time talking to you. Go buy your bear grylls axe and drink piss.

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>>1053300
/thread

>>1064363
I'm from Slovenia, why?

>>1064291
I wasn't referring to the Fiskars axes.

I was talking about your comments on the Swedish ones.
There is nothing fancy about them.
They are axes just like your Grandfather's one.

The higher price you're paying is for skilled labor.
Good tools are never cheap. Not in your Grandfather's time and not today.

For that $100+ you get something that can be used out of the box which is rare nowadays.

The comment about Vikings was really stupid too. If anything, an old Slovenian axe would look more at home in a Viking TV show than a Swedish one.

>>1064376
>I'm from Slovenia
It shows.

>>1064444
Well as I wrote before, those old axes have served us well so far, why would I need to buy an expensive brand axe? They don't come in so many different shapes like the ones that get posted here but they chop wood and that's what matters. People get far too obsessed with brand names.
I think Slovene axes do their job just fine, thank you very much.

>>1064468
>why would I need to buy a new car when rear engine Škoda of 1983 works just as well?

Because you want something ready to go from the factory and with a bit more refinement.

When it comes down to it, you can't fault the axes on performance or quality.

Your only real problem is that Swedish axes cost more.
But what do you expect? To pay the same for a modern axe as you would a used axe from 60 years ago?

>a lot of abuse

anyone telling you anything other than Estwing or Fiskars is stroking their epeen. They may well outlive you and will provide for your every casual need.

In time, you may want to upgrade to something more personal—something that is more, like, beautiful and meaningful, and which will be your companion.

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>>1064376
>>1064468
That's your own situation, and not everybody is in the same one. I don't have access to my grandfather's axe. Many other anons don't either. You do and that's fine enough, good for you. For those who need to buy one, the most easily found would probably be some Swedish brand since the Swedes make and sell a lot of axes which are generally of good quality. They're probably a different shape from Slovenian axes because that's just the way Swedes make axes. Same goes for American/Italian/German/whatever axes, since different regions and different uses require changes to tools for them to be most efficient, like the differences between a splitting axe and a felling axe. There are hundreds of viable ways to shape an axe head to give a useable form

>>1058966
>mild steel axe

Oh fuck

>>1064291
>if the handle gets fucked
you don't know much about anything do you? you send it back to the manufacturer you get a new one in the off chance it breaks. but it doesn't not as easily as wood anyways.

>>1064543
this pretty much and it's fiskars hands down if you just want a hatchet in case because it is so fucking light (eastwing weights 2, almost 3 times as much) but very head heavy, very efficient.

>>1064775
>cost effective

they make them in 5160 also, for a price of course

>>1053342
Chopping down a full tree or a lot of logs would generally be considered abuse even though it was made for doing stuff like that.
I been looking around for a hatchet I'm really close to just saying fuck it and getting a throwing axe instead even though it'd likely be pretty useless for anything else.

>>1054525
right before the 7 minute mark we have a win

>>1059063
What do you use that bearded axe for, splitting wood? I don't really understand the purpose of those people always talk about meme viking beserkers trying to hook shields like it's still a thing that happens and like no specific example of a recorded battle where they wrote down some guy did that shit before someone got shot in the eye with an arrow or something in a tapestry or whatever.

>>1064184
I was just looking at one of those at the store I was at yesterday. Aside from falling out of the ugly tree and hitting every branch on the way down what's up with the synthetic handle? Do these sort of things crack if it gets too cold?

>>1064370
did you watch inspector gadget a lot growing up?

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>>1059070
The bearded axe is awesome for green wood carving. It's very light and since is has a beard I can grip behind it and really control where I'm cutting. It's worth the $40 I gave for it. Its a cold steel that I did some mods on.

>>1064941
>Chopping down a full tree or a lot of logs would generally be considered abuse

Wrong. Abuse is chopping into glass hard frozen knots, or using the poll as a hammer, or chopping into the ground, or throwing the axe, or prying rounds apart by levering the haftle sideways.

>>1059070
fapfapfap "Millenialfags cant even waste their time to handcraft their own tools" fapfapfap Dude you sound like a pretentious hipster. tone it down nobody cares

>>1064589
Yeah, you're right, we all have our own situations. If couldn't go to a pawn shop and buy old axe handles, for example, which that one guy mentioned in his post. And I am sure those Swedish axes are quality made, I don't have anything against the Swedes, it was just the first example that popped to mind seeing the examples in this thread and from remembering what people often mention in this kind of threads. Still, I am of the opinion that you can get the same or comparable quality from local craftsmen for less money.

>>1064892
Well you might do that but it's easier and quicker to replace a wooden handle at home.

Fucking handles.
I hate making them so much. I keep saying I'll use one tool only but that never happens.


>I'll just use a hatchet to shape the blank...it shouldn't take too long
>maybe a saw will help to trim down the excess
>I think I'll go get the adze
>the rasp will help smooth things out
>maybe I should buy a spokeshave

On the otherhand I also love making handles. But still, fuck handles.

>>1064775
>>1064905

I got curious and did a little research on these Council axes since I have one and it seems fairly durable... it looks like the cheapest model is made from 1060 steel, which is about the same carbon content as the mystery GB steel, best I can tell, although I imagine the Swedes may have a more complex alloy at the higher price point. It isn't hardened to quite as hard, <55 RC vs. 57 or so, either.

>>1065044
Why wouldn't you do all that other stuff when you're trying to cut down a tree or split logs? I thought all that was already implied.

I tried asking /k/
I found a rusty old axe head. Is there any reason why I shouldn't try to clean it up and turn it into a hatchet? It use to have a pretty long handle already got a new one with a long handle, need one that's shorter.

>>1066363
It might end up being stupid, unbalanced and unusable. Depends on the pattern and weight.

Heavy hatchets exist but they have different shape and edge geometry than axes.