Thinking about buying one of these

>>1013440
go to a store, make sure to get the right size, put 30 lbs in it, adjust the straps properly, and wear it around for 20 minutes. then do that again with a similar pack from a different company.

anecdotally, i find ospreys to be very comfy with lighter loads (i own 2), but they begin to feel spongy with heavier loads. i have a gregory baltoro 75 that feels super secure with a heavy load.

>>1013453
What do you call heavy, anon? My current setup weighs between 10 and 12kg.

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can confirm, super comfy, light weight, great back adjustment and suspension system.

the outside strechy pocket is fucking fantastic, its great having comparatively large compartment in the "head" of the pack, and the integrated rain covers a nice addition that sits in its own water proof compartment so if you put it away wet it wont soak the inside of your pack

if it is the AG version there are two negatives you need to consider

>the bottles can be hard to reach
>it FUCKING SQUEEKS WITH EVERY STEP AND IT DRIVE YOU AND ANYONE YOU ARE HIKING WITH NUTS!

>>1013464
w2c bear

>>1013469
it got some kind of bug infestation, he was pretty old. so he had to go,
RIP

>>1013464
Could that squeak be peculiar to your pack, anon? Is there no fix, cos that sounds really annoying.

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>>1013484
i dont know, ive never met anyone with the same pack but i have read similar experiences on the internet, and yea it is really annoying, i havnt actually been able to pin point what makes it squeek

Lol did we really need another backpack thread good god

>>1013464
The squeak isn't an AG thing, it's an Osprey thing. Both my escape and my kestrel squeak under heavy loads. I think it's the internal frame.

>>1013440
I have a long torso. Ospreys were uncomfortable to me. Went with a Kelty Coyote (old version) after trying on maybe 5 different packs with weight in them.

>>1013461
past about 30 lbs is where they start to feel to soft to me. and since i hoof heavy ass climbing gear into the backcountry i need more support than that. my baltoro eats 50+ lbs no problem.

>>1013440
what's a good hydration system for this

>>1013624
i use nalgene bottles.
i have a 3L Camelbak and it works 100% with the pack, but. honestly, bladders are just to much trouble in a hiking scenario IMHO

>>1013629
huh, a tripfag says something i agree with. bladders are great as long as you don't need to refill them, because to get one back in to your backpack after filling it you need to take 90% of the rest of your shit out of the pack, too. not worth the hassle.

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Try out the EXOS line while you are looking at Ospreys. My Exos 48 weighs 2lbs some oz and with 20-25lbs of gear is comffyyy. Can walk all day in pack, no hip rubbing and not much back sweat. has detachable top so you can have more space or lighter load, depending on your trip.

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>>1013634
huh, its almost like we are people too

pictured with how you can snake the tube of a bladder through

>>1013634
>bladders are great as long as you don't need to refill them
fucking this
i was on a short hike last year, 2 days, but i had to get water at a church, trying to fill a bladder at a tight sink is hell, had to use my fucking hands as a funnel

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not again the osprey meme

>>1013629
what about long hikes, like the AT or PCT

>>1013651
i have no clue, longest hike i ever did with it was a week stretch with seven sleeps, so walk sleep walk sleep. no clue about american trails or terrain,

Word of advice, just try the pack on first.

I thought I'd love the AG, but I just didn't care for it. The hip belt is odd, it's rigid, and you have to squeeze into it to get it on. It's like a big clamp around your waist. Once it's on, it's alright, but just felt constricting on me. It wasn't like I was wearing a pack, it was like the pack was wearing me.

>>1013639
>huh, its almost like we are people too
no, definitely not that.

too heavy. an empty pack should not weigh 5 pounds. hell my 3 season baseweight nearly weighs that much

>>1013440
>>1013464
Looks very nice

>>1013440

The bag is great but has some downsides.

First, the hydration pocket is inside the bag and difficult to use with all your gear. I heard some water filtering systems might solve this problem by allowing the bladder to be filled through the tube.

And the way the bag clamps on your hips is unusual and quite annoying really. You get used to it after a while though.

As with any bag, you should test it in a store before buying. You should know instantly if a bag is no good for you by trying it on.

>>1013440
Osprey has recently brought the AG suspension system to the Aether line, which is very similar and something to consider as an alternative. I have a Aether AG 60 and it's the best pack I've ever owned. I haven't experienced the squeaking some others have complained about but it is something I've seen mentioned on product reviews so try before you buy if possible.

>>1013629
This, bladders are so inconvenient to refill it's almost not worth the convenience of drinking from them.

>>1013649
They're successful because they make the best suspension systems of any pack manufacturer (at least, of the ones available for me to try here in NZ). They also have one or more models for most use cases. It's like hating on Google for being a popular search engine; they're popular because they're good.

>>1013796
Yes it is on the heavy side, but not ridiculously so when compared to other packs with similar features. It's not designed for the ultralight crowd.

>>1013440
I have the 50 liter version. Fits plenty but it's a little less organized without that front pocket. 65 liters is a lot of space. For weekend trips I can get away with out using the brain on top and still have room to spare. And my pack is 15 liters smaller than OP.
Pretty comfy. No problems with sweaty backs with the mesh system. I've heard people complain about squeaking. Mine squeaked for the first 10th of a mile then stopped. And yeah, it's not the lightest pack, but it distributes the weight well enough to make up for it I think.

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made this a while back for anyone interested, I forget what I wrote though

>>1014237
did you take it on the pct?

>>1014240
nope, plans changed. I did the LSHT and some vagabonding with it though.

>>1013440
I got the same for backpacking/hitchhiking from east to west then west to east coast of Canada.
Super comfy almost don't feel it, lots of space
A little creaky and no rain cover

>>1014270
have you checked the top most pocket? theres a raincover in there dude ...

>>1014272
not him but mine didn't have a rain cover in the brain, maybe your retailer included one?

>>1014282
its velcro attaches to the lid ... the hell

>>1014272
I think the rain cover only comes on an rei exclusive model.

>>1013822
The hip thing is true, but it really takes a lot of weight off your shoulders and back.

>>1014298
Jesus Christ I gotta get back soon to check for myself now thanks anon

>>1013464
Can confirm as well. It squeaks with ever step.

>>1014436
Non-rei outfitter here

The rain cover is standard.

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>>1013440

Ya I sell these. You can't really buy a bad Osprey bag and their warranty is ridiculous. The one note about these is that they only come in a 50L and 65L size. It could be limiting if you're a liberal packer or you plan on longer trips. The brand new Aether's(pic related) just came out and it's a fucking fantastic bag. The hip belt isn't quite as ultra tight as the Atmos and I like it a better overall, also if you're a skinny tall guy like me you can change out the hip belt size on the Aether. The Atmos is static and isn't for obese people. AND GET THE RIGHT SIZE FOR CHRIST SAKE!

>>1013487
If look for every place where webbing is under loss and touching metal and give it some grease. Also there should be two internal poles on either side that go through the pack and into the hip strap, lube that up

>>1013484
I used to have an Atmos AG and it squeaked like a motherfucker with as well. Sent it back for a new pack with Osprey's lifetime guarantee and the replacement they sent squeaked just opening the hip belt to put it on so I immediately put it on eBay. Fuck that. They're great packs but the squeaking with every step is unbearable. So unless you get lucky or have a chance to try one on for an extended trial period, I'd avoid personally. I'll never buy another AG pack again for this one simple reason.

As for what causes it, it's the design of the system itself. There's a rigid plastic pole forming the back system and then the tensioned mesh creates friction as you walk/twist/move in anyway. I'm not sure there is a solution, even this:
>>1014649
Since there are parts of the plastic tubing that is inaccessible due to the construction. You'd have to literally rip it apart and then re-stitch it.

>>1014656
It's not just the AG. I own two non-AG packs that squeak.

>>1014479
Can dispute. Mine doesn't squeak.

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Who's /atmoswithoutbrain/ here? I never put anything in it so I just took it off and I like the pack more without it now desu.

I think rei is about to have a sale on them in like 5 days

>>1014492
>aether
im 2m tall, 90kg, would it be comfy?

>>1013487
Where do you guys put your tent and sleeping pad? I have the same pack and i,put them on top and bottom respetively. Like you friend, where do you put yours, if any

Curious because i,often see people with no horizontal portrusions like me and my pack and wonder how the hell they sleep.

>>1014680
What a fag

/soc/ is somewhere around here. Gtfo

>>1014769
Nit the anon you're asking but I have a Sea to Summit pad which rolls up really small so that goes in the pack. I could tie it to the outside if needs be. As for the tent, I keep the fly and inner in a stuff sack at the bottom of the pack and the poles down the corner inside the pack. It's a pretty small tent mind. Zephyros 1.

>>1014772
so much hate, calm down buddy

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>>1014769
ok, i almost never go camping alone, so i i split the gear around, i usually hammock camp so i have more room at the lower end and on the length of my pack, so i tend to take the tentpoles of other people, so i take the stakes and poles, legnthwise you know? splitting it between people is key.

if you are more people split it up as much as possible, so im the guy with the lightest sleep system, i take the heavier, bulkier parts of the other sleep systems, they carry more common goods, like food and stuff. its all about finding the group balance

also, my sleeping mat deflates read fucking tiny, that helps alot

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This is my sleepingbag and pad
Really sloppily Packed. Can probably get 50% smaller each

Fits easily in the atmos with room to spare for hammock. Usually keep tarp and rope in the top

>>1014744

Should fit find as long as you get the right size. I'm really talking about short, morbidly obese people who try to put on the the Atmos/Aura can't even pry apart the hip belt because a small isn't designed for a person with a 40+ inch waist. New Ather's can get around this with the new hip belts.

>>1014772
woah settle down friend

>>1013440
https://www.hyperlitemountaingear.com/ultralight-backpacks.html
http://gossamergear.com/packs.html
http://www.granitegear.com/outdoor/backpacks
https://www.ula-equipment.com/category_s/1836.htm

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this is how you look with an ospray memebag

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>>1015267
>He cares how he looks when alone in the woods.

Opinions on canvas bags? For some reason all the regular packs look cheesy to me. I have been looking at Alder Stream packs recently, anyone ever buy a pack from her?

>>1015483
heavy, tryhard, poser, "look how rugged/oldschool i am", hipster faggotry.

>>1015486
I don't give a shit how it looks I care how it works. Stop projecting your autism
It's embarrassing

Anyone with an opinion on canvas bags that isn't irrelevant?

>>1015506
>I don't give a shit how it looks
>>1015483
>all the regular packs look cheesy to me
pick 1 and only 1, faggot

>>1015506
they are objectively inferior to modern packs on all levels, only redeeming factor is if you like the looks

>>1015506
Too heavy for anything longer than a day hike.
Not ergonomic - not worth the effort for an extended hike.
HOWEVER
Do what you will with what you have
Dont let other trolls fuck with your own ALONE OUTSIDE ADVENTURE

>>1015507
I'm referring to materials and shape. >>1015510
How though. You just saying it doesn't make it so.


Is it just me or does /out/ have an autistic grudge against canvas Like /r9k/ does with women? I'm just trying to find a good canvas pack for fucks sake

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>>1013440

Osprey makes a phenomenal pack for the money, and the people who design them obviously use them.

Not to mention the absurdly good warranty offered by the company. I've never dealt with a better group of people.

There are more more expensive, maybe "better" packs out there, but Osprey is the best value on the market imho.

I can't speak on that specific model, I have a ~6 year old Kestrel 48 that's been through hell and back. It's got a few melted straps, broken buckles, and lots of cosmetic wear and tear now, but not so bad yet I need to send it in for repair. I don't remember mine ever having a squeak.

Here's a pic of it haphazardly strapped to the back of my dual sport. It's ridden about 20,000 miles this way.

OP here. I'm sold.

>>1013624
Depends on what your filter options are and how/where you can carry a bladder.

For example, my Osprey can fit a 3L Camelbak or Source bladder (although the lumbar versions work best) in the top lid comfortably, allowing super easy refill and removal.

The other thing is, if you use a squeeze or gravity filter it makes sense to already carry a bladder.

If those don't apply to you, then you're probably better off with bottles.

>>1015965
let the squeak be with you brother, may it serve you well

What is everyone's opinion on aarn backpacks?
I didn't know about the company until recently when I tried one on at a store. They sit very comfortably even with heavy loads (tried it with about 26kg). The guys at the store even claimed it was completely waterproof aswell, don't know about that though.

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>>1013464
I'm a squeak fag as well.

The Berghaus Bioflex series has a hipbelt on a hinge, which tbqh is brilliant. The more load there is, the louder the squeak.

Its ok, i can handle it, its worth it.

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>>1015267
Thats right. So?

>>1015483
Canvas has no benefit that i'm aware of over modern artificial fiber, except for looks, my bushcrafty fagster.

>>1015965
I have a first gen Osprey Flapjack backpack for work (i'm in IT, so i pack a thinkpad, also used as daypack as i hike to and from work sometimes), great make, i tried to get another one, but the second gen seems more flimsy.

>>1013440
This was my first pack and I fucking hated it.

>The convoluted "anti-gravity" system makes the pack squeak loudly with each step.
>Anything you put in those dumb zig zag orange compression strap will work its way out and onto the trail.
>Has a very slender shape making it hard to pack
>Spaceship ultralight buckles are fickle and will break
>Too small
>Can't really strap anything externaly
>Other pockets are made in such a way that anything you put in them will take space away from the main compartment
>Only gimmicky feature that works is the way the frame is on a net so your back has total airflow, that's the only thing I liked about it
Get a Kelty Coyote instead. It has features that actually work rather then yuppified futuristic spaceship REI showroom horseshit

>>1015267
Looks fine to me?

>>1015516
If you honestly can't figure out why canvas is inferior to modern materials on your own I hope you don't have sharp objects in your home

Picking canvas would literally be
>style over function
And if you like that. That's fine. But canvas offers not a single advantage over modern materials

Canvas isn't waterproof (no. Not even if you wax it ever 30 seconds) infact it's prone to dogging and holds onto the water

And it's way way way heavier then modern materials

If you find a canvas pack you love? Great!
But objectively speaking

Canvas < modern materials

>>1016161
>aarn backpacks
fuck that. i like to be able to see my feet and where i'm putting them.

and from their website
>Aarn Tents.They are designed to withstand the increasing weather extremes resulting from global warming
because changes in extremes have been so severe that all other tents are obsolete now? fucking fear mongering, buzzword faggots.

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Idk the prices for these packs but I just saw this in a rei mailer
Pic related

>>1016632
I was just about to post this
Amazing timing honestly
Buying it at midnight the 19th lmao

>>1016342
I'd say what you're seeing is marketing rather than mongering.

Many /out/ folks buying expensive gear are young, lefty types. By signalling a belief in global warming he is saying he believes in the stuff you believe in: his is the company you should buy from if you are a lefty type.

FYI I do not believe nor disbelieve in climate change. The way I figure it there's just no way that I can have an opinion on that worth listening to. I'll leave that discussion to experts.

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>>1016721
You are part of the problem.

>>1013440
osprey packs are so ugly

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>>1017448
U are part of the problem

>>1014769
Bivy tent + small tarp + thermarest neoair. I'm still testing the system, though.

>>1016161
Seems a very interesting concept to me. I like the better accessibility and load balance, but on the other hand, I think it will be shitty for scrambling terrain where you need careful footing.

>>1016161
>now instead of just a sweaty back you can also experience the joy of a sweaty chest!
yeah, nah

Thoughts on a Gregory Stout anons? I just bought a 75L one, I am new but I tried a whole bunch of bags with around the same capacity (coyote, volt 75, deuters) around the store and this one seemed to fit the best. Can't wait to go backpacking desu

>>1018416
can't speak for the stout, but i love my gregory baltoro 75.
>I tried a whole bunch of bags with around the same capacity around the store and this one seemed to fit the best
then you did good. put it to use and have fun.