The fuck Suzuki?

>>17871173
>MX-5 ND
>2.0l 4cylinder 160hp
>990kg
If Suzuki is cheating what is Mazda doing then?

>>17871196
also cheating but has two less seats

>>17871196
Dont think that's correct anon.
The 2.0 is over 1000kg

>>17871173
Years of kei expertise.

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>>17871173
Kei car history, and a very no-bullshit approach to building cars in general. You really don't get much more than you need in the interior, which leaves more budget for a great engine and chassis.

>>17871319
It actually comes with far more tech than necessary

really cheap and thin steal

>>17871173

Pretty sure the new one in your pic is actually under 1 ton

>>17871432
The base model is.
Not the sport.

>>17871473
970kg they were claiming at frankfurter. The old one was 1040.

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>>17871173
>Are they cheating somehow?
No it's just Suzuki has always been masterly at making fun compact cars with a well balanced lightweight chassis and clever packaging.

Thank God fucking cheats VW failed to tame Suzuki and steal their core technologies.
In the end VW ended up making pathetic shit like the Up!

>>17871473

the new base model is actually under 900kg

>>17871473
the base model (5 speed manual + 1.2L NA) is 840kg.

Even the mild hybrid RS version is 910 kg. They are incredibly light.

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>>17871173
970kg for 6 speed manual
990kg for 6 speed auto

>>17871173
>>17871319
>>17871817
fug. Wish we got these in burgerland.

>>17871830
There are rumors of a North American return for Suzuki, starting with the Vitara. Sadly it's turned from a tiny capable offroader into a baby Range Rover Evoque, but at least they're still making the Jimny and they even have a retro as fuck facelift planned for that.

>>17871319
lol no, even in the early 90s kei cars had shit like automatic rain sensing wipers

>>17871843
>>17871830
Why don't you burgers get swifts? We get them in kangaroo land, they are safe as fuck

>>17871917
We have shit taste and hate small light cars.

>>17871917
Suzuki pulled out of the North American market in 2012 due to poor sales. They only sell bikes and ATVs now.

Why buy a souped up swift when you could buy a new SV650 instead AND a used barge for practicality for the money?

>>17871940
they sell much more cars than mazda globally and mazda is doing fine in the us
how hard would it be to take all their 3rd world techniques and sell enough cars to the US?

>>17871940
I'm sure Mitsubishi is next.

I wish we had better options with the small car market. America is ruled by Trucks and huge SUVs.

>>17871940
That's gay
>>17871922
The miata would beg to differ.
I suppose the previous gen swift was ugly compared to a cute lil' miat though. Unlucky.

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>>17871969
Previous gen was cutest gen

>>17871959
Mazda's an established brand that sells fun driving econoboxes with upscale features for a good price. They do really well in Canada

Suzuki on the other hand specializes in 3rd world shitboxes and other cars that can be sold here

>>17871991
I suppose they are pretty cute. I've never particularly liked them because I've only ever seen chicks driving it.

>>17871960
>Mitsubishi
they are still here?

>>17872025
Still pumping out boyracer lancers, just no more evos

>>17872033
If you consider soccer mom's driving crossovers then yes.

>>17871173

Its ugly and therefore not worth it. I want that frog toyota.

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>>17871333
Yes of course anon, that's why American cars are so heavy "high quality steal".

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I hope they make it available in orange for that authentic gooks of hazard look.

>>17871173
so basically my mr2 spyder but not mid-engine or rear-wheel drive

why would you buy this

>>17872083
cheap new
fuel efficient
cheap insurance
back seats
easier to drive

>>17872103
how is it easier to drive, the mr2 is incredibly easy to drive

> snap oversteer
with good tires this only happens if you do something seriously wrong

>>17872103
Perfect arguments if you're a yurocuck.

>>17871871
You very well know that was only the top end kei cars and not for the cheap ones

>>17871173
they put all the pigfat on their bikes

>>17872007
Suzuki specialises on making practical cars for Japanese cities. Retard.

>>17871333
its the successor of the aveo but the swift sport is actually good and could almost be a base model in a civilized country.

>>17871960
Apparently Renault Nissan will bring lada to north america but its going to be Mitsubishi with even more shitty crossover.

>>17871173
>What are they doing differently? How can they make cars so light? Are they cheating somehow?
virtually no insulation, tons of other thin materials. Engine is probably small, frame is thin and small too, and the suspension isn't that complex so thats also light.

>>17873074
This. My NA market 2600lb suzuki wagon is basically a tin can on wheels. It's the body, a thin sheet of plastic then the plastic interior panels. No insulation whatsoever. The engine is decently powerful though and puts out more power than a Honda.

They did a great job on the design in my opinion too

I'm a burger with an affinity for domestic cars but I've always absolutely adored Suzukis. They need to return to burgerland. The swift gti and samurai won't tide me over forever (maybe)

>>17872103
>>17872241
so basically back seats. but never underestimate the importance of back seats.

>>17872103
>how is it easier to drive, the mr2 is incredibly easy to drive
>> snap oversteer
>with good tires this only happens if you do something seriously wrong
this.
MRS defies physics in any way you want as long as you keep that throttle down and didn't go cheap on rubber.

But honestly not that guy to say that since I think 1zz in mrs is enough but that suzuki needs at least 180hp.
140hp in MRS is fun because it is light, low and wide with power to the rear from rear.
That suzuki while light makes only 140hp and it's xbox huge.

>>17871173
Does the sport have good seats? Thats the main selling point for me.

>>17871173
A pillar's angle looks like it would bend easier on an accident

>>17872062
Obviously cheap steel is less dense than expensive steel

Any crash test videos?

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>>17875139
>A pillar's angle looks like it would bend easier on an accident
Anon, there are crash standards to which even Suzuki has to comply.
It would by company suicide if the pillars were weak and the last gen also got decent crash ratings so there are no worries.

>>17875162
fiat 500L has the same angle A pillars that fiat has gotten 5 stars with but fast forward to small overlap crash you can see how easy they bend.

>>17875172
>small overlap crash
Small overlap crashes are the freshest meme of those crash testing companies.
I wonder when they will introduce the penis penetration testing

>>17875139
>>17875162
I was actually surprised by how well this did in the small overlap test. NCAP doesnt do small overlap, but gave it 3/5 stars

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7eALvKZFfc

>>17875191
It is a light car, therefore everything does not have to be as hard as on a car twice the weight.

Hence those small overlap tests are absolute garbage because imagine this getting hit by a SUV coming at it at 60mph

>>17875213
Are you suggesting that the imovable concrete wall doesnt do a good job representing a severe impact?

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Check out the Ignis crash

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbluhIxpgxU

Virtually no roof or even pillar deformation while this was still really common just a couple years ago.
And the Ignis has really thin pillars compared to other cars

>JAPANESE STEEL
>FOLDED A THOUSAND TIMES TO PERFECTION BEFORE USED AS A PILLARS
So this is the true legacy of the (Suzuki) Samurai, kek

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>>17871173

>>17875226

>Moderate overlap test is perfect

Wow great job eurocucks... welcome to mid 90's american safety standards. Let's see how that same vehicle handles the small offset front crash test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjynD0ZW420

When did the new mustang subcompact come out??

>>17875268
>small offset front crash test.
great meme

>>17875226
>Dat 20kmph pedestrian avoidance fail
I kek'd to hard at that one.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XLBHok6DnQ8

Anime trailer.

>>17875143
>learn2materialscience

>>17875191
that isnt a small overlap test

>>17871173
easy, they just removed all the good styling from the last gen.

>>17871817
Man, that's a car I'd buy if I'd go for a hot hatch, lightness rocks, fuck the ultra hardcore nurburgring dwellers.

Wtf I love Suzuki now

>>17871917
>safe
I know they score well on the tests, but I've never seen them look good after an accident.

>>17871304
This on top of bikes.

I'm sad we won't get this fucking thing in burgersvile.

>>17875392
WTF I LOVE SUZUKI NOW

>>17871333

Have an upvote for "thick american steel" meme.

>>17871196

Mazda 2 is also very light, I've heard it's using hollow bolts and shit like that to keep weight down.

>>17875392
This is such a good ad, holy shit.

Lightweight RWD Suzuki coupe when?

If they can produce Busa, who don't they make a monster car?

>>17871333
It scored favorably in NCAP test so fuck it

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>>17875392

S-SHE'S FAST!

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>>17875392

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>>17875783
>>17875811
How about a Yamaha? Motorcycle car

>>17875783
>Lightweight RWD Suzuki coupe when?

This.
They're not getting anywhere because they get ignored.
Bringing something like that would get them lots of attention.

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>>17875871
>Revs Your Heart

rev this

>>17875871
Looks neat. Is there any idea about price?

>>17875392
I never imagined I could be this excited for a Suzuki

>>17871173
>buy awd version
>remove front axle shafts
>weld/ screw center diff
>light rwd dd
One can dream I guess, maybe one day

>>17875871
I prefer Kawasaki

>They had to make it turbocharged

God there are no more NA 4cylinders coming out anymore and that makes me sad.

>>17875929
If Kawasaki made a car, would it be a Carasaki?
In fact, would a Yamaha car be a Yamacar?

https://youtu.be/3bpDt0FicoE

>>17875935
>Yamaha car be a Yamacar
Then, Honda should be called Honcar

>>17875970
I agree.

>>17875930
the sad day is when bigger engines all end up with turbos

>>17875930
>>17875976
ICE is literally on its way out.
Anything you see are just attempts to kinda keep the shit running until battery costs come down.

>>17875186
A "driving 70MPH at a big ass blade test" will come first.

>>17875226
Pedestrian head impact to bonnet tests. kek

>>17875970
>>17875935
>suzuki makes a car, calls it suzuki
>suzuki make a bike, calls it suzuki
Based suzuki doesn't need no marketing tricks and made up names

>>17875983
>his car doesn't have a 5-star rating in the "getting catapulted at car top speed into a giant buzz saw"-test

>>17871587
>VW failed to tame Suzuki and steal their core technologies.
oh how the tables have turned

>>17872062
don't forget the side impact steel beams in the doors and other safety bullshit that needs to be added to burgerland cars.

>>17872071
Kek

>>17875226

Suzuki is a miracle of the universe

>>17876004
>his car doesn't have a 5-star rating in the "getting catapulted at car top speed into a giant buzz saw"-test

Okay I laughed

>>17875871
They say when you die, you rev your pants!
But not me, I'm going to rev my heart.

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>>17871991
thats wrong tho

>>17871173
This is one of the few interesting cars in a while.

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>>17875392
>0:42

>>17871173
The same way racecar drivers save on weight by making their roll cages from thin pipe instead of what it's supposed to be

>>17878215
its more the lack of any noticeable insulation, spare and hand folded steel of katanas

>>17875392

What the fuck, that's amazing

>>17871173
HELIUM IN THE TIRES I FUGN KNU IT

>>17871173
> Be Volvo
> 1970's
> Make four door sedan
> 2.3l NA engine, 130hp
> 1.2 tonnes

Suzi isn't that far ahead really... I'm sure if I cut Down my car and gutted the doors I would be the same weight

>>17881185
back then all cars were considerably lighter and smaller than they are now

>>17875871
it wouldn't be too farfetched. the engine would be the best selling point of it for sure.

>>17881185
>be volvo
>1990's
>make a four door sedan
>2.3L turbo, 240hp
>1500kg
what the fuck volvo.

It even has more torque than a gt86

>>17875392
Getting some serious Redline vibes here.

>>17875783
Cappuccino revival when?

>>17871173
It doesn't have to comply with US regulations. US models always gain at least a few pounds over their foreign counterparts.

>>17871173
>1k+ kilos
>lightweight
>where did we go wrong
Seriously why is this light for a modern car, the old swifts weighed like 750 kg

>>17881745
>light for a modern car
isn't it beautiful when you answer your shit yourself?

>>17881816
The question is why aren't modern cars as light as old ones

>>17881833
How is this a question? It should be obvious how much they stuff cars with safety features and bullshit electronics.

It's next to impossible to get a new car with manual windows for example.

>>17881845
The question is WHY it needs to be that way

>>17871173
It's because they manufacture motorcycles. They also know how to make their cars lighter.

>>17881908
Laws dipshit
Emissions regulations require more tech, computer controls, emissions equipment, etc
Safety regulations require extensive crumple zones, door bars, rollover safety, multiple airbags, etc

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>>17875392

I came a bit

>>17871173
Saw one of these in my local Suzuki dealership this week

>>17882143
I don't believe you.

>>17882137
>Emissions regs force cars to use lighter materials for better gas mileage
>Safety regs force cars to use heavier materials for better crash protection

>>17882165
Well I'm not going to walk 1.5 miles to the dealership just to place a piece of bread on a random car though

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>>17882174
>to place a piece of bread on a random car
but isn't that the only fun we have on this earth?

>>17882174
They have only just shown it to the public on Tuesday in Germany, why would the have one on display in a random dealership.

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>>17882194
The even stranger thing it that it was in the outside area as well

It's not even that light. My 1995 daewoo weights 920 kg and it's a large 4 door sedan (4.5 meter lenght).

>>17882211
>listen guys
>my stoneage shitbox with literally no passive safety at all is light as fuck
>all your shit is unimpressive

>>17882211
>Get a new car.
>Throw everything safety/comfort related out.
>Hack off pieces of the frame where it seems a bit too thick for your liking.
>???
>Your new car is now a fast piece of shit.

>>17882194
Nigger i've seen them drive, the fuck are you on about

>>17882308
Regular Swifts, or actual Swift Sports?
Because I've seen new regular Swifts already, the Sport was just revealed.

>>17871173
I'll tell you what they are doing.


>1.9/10 crash rating

Suzuki is for degenerates and ethnics.
t. gixxxxxxer audience knower

>>17882168
now you realize why everyone thinks lawmakers are dense

>>17883589
Nice meme.
They perform well though?

>>17871319
>satnav/"infotainment"
>color LCD on the instrument cluster
>no bullshit

>>17883589
Then git gud and don't crash

>>17883601
Back to /pol/

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>>17871173
>>17871319
my dick

>tfw you will never own an autozam

kei cars are so cool ;_;

>>17883601
back to /o/

>>17871173
>How can they make cars so light?
its literally the size of a shoe box

>>17871922
>We have shit taste
>because we want cars bigger than coffee tables
naa you're just a fag