Would you drive a mid-engined Miata?

you mean an MR-2?

>>17870980
You mean an MR2?

>>17870980
looks dumb as fuck

You mean the MR-2?

>>17870980
is that an MR2?

So an MR2?

>>17870980
wow it actually looks like a sports car instead of a down syndrome fagmobile

>>17871079
>tripshit has a shit opinion
Color me surprised

>>17870980
That actually looks pretty good, the beltline is still pretty high, though.

>>17871089
>anon shitposting

nothing new here

An MR2?

so like a fiero?

So it's an MR2

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>>17870980
I drive a mid-engined miata

>>17870980
As tempting as the concept is, I think ultimately a mid-rear engine layout is worse for daily use. The reasons for an MR design are removal of the driveshaft for lower weight and better power transmission, and lowering the moment of inertia for agility. The first one is uncontroversially a good thing, but exactly what the gains would be is up for debate.

However, mid engined cars are notorious for their tendency for lift-off oversteer. And sure you can engineer the car to not do that, but then what's the point in a mid-engined car anyway? Because you now have the engine at the back, which means the back will be heavier than the front, and you don't want that either do you

did someone say MR2?

>>17871693
> Because you now have the engine at the back, which means the back will be heavier than the front, and you don't want that either do you

you do want this in a rear-wheel drive car.

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>>17871703
Like that yes, but for hair dressers.

So a Porsche Boxter.

>>17872093
only if there's too much power to be sent effectively. since during acceleration weight will be shifted rearwards anyway and you have like 140 HP then that's not very likely.

>>17872180
except i've out accelerated brz's from a drag because of the weight bias

>>17872224
are you sure it's not because BRZs are just generally pigfat?

>>17872247
the brz does have a better power to weight ratio, but, it could be because of more torque-to-weight in the spyder at a low rpm. haven't checked dyno curves though

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>>17872253
just checked and the 86 makes more torque per weight up until the torque dip so it's probably just the weight bias that did it

>>17872283

the BRZ is supposed to get to 60 in 6.1 seconds while the MR2 takes 6.5.

here are two more possibilities: the BRZ is automatic, which brings it down to 7.3 seconds, or it's driver is a limp-wristed faggot who can't launch properly.

I'm not denying that the weight bias might have played a role but I'm looking for all possible explanations before casting a judgment.

Which is why I'm going to mention the tires now: the BRZ has wider ones admittedly and that should have helped it.

I would like to see a BRZ and MR2 drag race from a rolling start.

>>17871693
No offence fella but you're clueless. Please take a look at any successful race cars' weight balance and engine layout

>>17872330
I said "daily use". Race cars are irrelevant in this context. For the record my daily is MR

Would be nice if the choice for a lower end sports car had MR and RR options

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>>17870980
Would you drive a shooting brake Miata?

>>17872351
now this is garbage

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>>17872351
Muh dick

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>>17870980
you mean a lotus?

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>what could have been

>>17872322
the guy is a good driver we didn't go up to 60 though, he started to catch up after 40ish

>>17872322
>>17872574
actually my bad, it was a 5mph rolling start

i beat an fr-s on a rough gravelly road from 0 though, he kept spinning and couldn't get traction where I had no issues

>>17871089
>replying to newfagay

So a slightly bigger and more powerful Honda S660? Yes.

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>>17870980
Looks like a Lotus Evora

>>17872351
Not unless Mazda came up with a straight-6 with around 300-350 horsepower, but at that point it's not much of a Miata anymore is it?

>>17871693
>and you don't want that either do you
You do actually want that in race cars. 50/50 weight distribution might be ideal while you're in a corner, but exiting a corner favors a rear weight bias, and since the cornerstone of racing theory is slow in, fast out, rear weight bias giving better acceleration out of a corner is exactly what you want.

I think the only exception to this would be when you're racing a car that has absurdly low power, where you're not going to be getting much speed from accelerating out of the corner, anyway. In that case, it might be faster to tackle the corner so that you maintain the highest speed rather than prime yourself for acceleration.

>>17870980
Make it suitably inexpensive and I certainly would have to give it a lot of consideration. I think I might still be at the point though where I'm not ready to give up a 2+2 layout tho.

>>17872585
Can confirm it's pretty easy to spin the rears in a BRZ from a stop or even at low speed. It was pretty neat one time when I had ~200lbs in the back how it gripped like mad.

>>17872667
Z4M Coupe

>>17871693
>mid engined cars are notorious for their tendency for lift-off oversteer
Really?
I drive a MR, really fucking fast, too, and haven't had this problem yet. In what situations is it more likely to occur?

>>17872729
when you're in a corner at close to the limit of grip and upset the car's balance by lifting off the gas, or worse by braking (AKA by fucking up)

>>17872734
This is more likely in a RR though, yes?

>>17872752
Not sure, I've heard people say it can be worse in MR, though RR can have other issues

>>17872351
Nutted. It would have to be considerably higher horsepower though.

>>17872781
What I've heard is that it's a double edged sword.
MR's are less likely to spin out (because the weight is centered), but if they do, it's far worse in a MR than a RR (again, because the weight is centered).

>>17872894
yeah the rr will do slow loops around the rear while the mr will spin fast like a fucking top

>>17871634
Put my deposit in for one of these. Due to collect mine on the 23rd . Anything odd you wanna share?

yes but a simble FR car that is good with many engine option that are decent because the car is light(yuropoor tier 1.0T,1.5,2.0,2.0T) would be better

>>17872351
So a BMW clown shoe?

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>>17872522
>>17872662
oh the things i would do for a Lancia Stratos kit car with a Lotus Evora 400 engine in the back...

>>17872553
Wait, they actually planned a mid engined miata?

>>17873211
Damn man, I literally have the same dream.

>>17874883
yeah, they also planned a front wheel drive one as well. All in that picture

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>>17870980
I allready do.

>>17871693
no offence but you propably get out of your miata and preach about 50 50 weight distribution.

>>17872677
Helps while braking too.
If you manage to outbreak a stock MRS you're filthy fucking rich.

>>17872553

They did the absolute right decision.

The FWD car would have been vanished the quickest with no one missing it, then the mid engined one too but some missing it (like the Fiero) but the Miata is almost legendary

>>17875199
Because it's "easy to drive" and "easy to work on" for the normies

>>17872400
Trip fags have the worst taste

>>17874941
That's interesting to know. Thanks.

>>17870980
Not unless they sort out the shitness that is the Skyactiv engine, 30% less power on 2.5% more fuel than the FA20 shows how bad Mazda has become at engineering.

>>17875715
You realize FA20 uses premium fuel while skyactive uses 87 octane?

>>17872927
check for the precats if you don't know they've been removed. it's a mesh of ceramics in the headers that tend to get sucked back into the engine and kill it. just google mr2 spyder precats


other than that, not really much. enjoy it anon

>>17872351
It's hideous

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>>17872400
Sure is summer.

>>17877067
shooting brakes are fucking gross, no matter who makes it. they're just station wagons for people too insecure to go out and buy a wagon, thank got 95% of them are just concept art.

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>>17877124
yeaahh i saw dat super car too !!! yellow lambo ghin amirite *!!? all else suxxx gayy

>>17877067
its funny because shooting brakes are Car Throttle and Jalopnik meme shit

also happens ot be the ugliest car style ever

>>17877124
Kys

>>17877170
>bloated clown shoes

just do yourself a favor and buy a crossover instead, you know that's the endgame of sacrificing looks and performance for "practicality".

>>17870980
1. The mid-engined Miata exists on the used market. It is the MR-2.
2. I drive a front engined Miata. The two reasons apart from better availability on the used makrket reason for getting the Miata are easier access to the engine bay and bigger trunk - both direct consequences of the drivetrain layout.

>>17872109
You mean a 944 then, because 4 cylinder

>>17877539
why do people keep bringing up the MR2

its an old piece of shit and the only decent model is the ZZW30

>>17877553
Because it's the correct comparison for the Miata?
>straight 4
>RWD
>japanese
>everyman "performance" cars

>>17871693
>which means the back will be heavier than the front, and you don't want that either do you
50/50 weight distribution is not ideal just because the numbers are the same and it sounds cool.

>>17877584
yeah and it hasnt been made for a decade

its basically irrelevant

only one really comparable is once again the ZZW30 since W20 is pigfat and AW11 is ancient

>>17870980
You mean an MR2?

>not having tripfags filtered
shiggy

>>17877678
But it's fun baiting them back

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>>17877539
nah, matra showed you can make a mid engined car more space efficient - 3 seats and a big boot. Much better handling and rust resistance too, but it was killed by peugeot because it was seen as irrelevant compared to the 205 gti.

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>>17870980
would u stick ur dick in a dudes ass?

>>17877848
Damn I think I like this baguette mobile.