I need an end all be all answer: is manual truly better than

Or course not you fucking autist.


They're more fun to drive, though, unless you're a bitch and/or are stuck in traffic.

>>17817834
Yes
>>17817846
Fuck off niBBer!

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How about not making shitposting threads you obese busriding fuck?

>>17817834
Yes

>>17817834
It is inferior in every way nowadays except driving experience.

The writing is on the wall for manuals. Once level 4+ autonomy is mandatory in all cars, manuals are gone, unless someone implements some sort of gimmicky manual with a secret embedded auto that can override the driver to shift in autopilot scenarios. Would only exist on enthusiast cars if they even bother. They won't.

Buy your manuals now because ours kids won't know what they are.

The superior suspension is shiftable automatic, the shifting being available to the stick and on paddle shifters.

>>17817864
>mandatory

>>17817834
not at all.

>autos are faster
>autos are less dreadful in traffic
>autos last longer

>>17817834
If you live in the city automatic.
If you live in the country who cares.

Autos are better in traffic. Manuals are more fun.

>>17817834
In every single way? No. In some ways? Yes. The rest is all subjective.

>>17817874
You're putting mandates past NHTSA and EPA? They made fucking backup camera mandatory. They WILL make lane departure, forward crash assist, rear cross traffic assist, and adaptive cruise control mandatory soon. It is only a matter of time

>t. computer vision specialist working on this stuff

Right now the task of making cars drive themselves is as hard as it's ever gonna be. You see that capture puzzle where you have to identify be street signs? You're helping to train Google's street sign classifier neural network. We still have to use crude techniques like OCR to read street signs. What happens when the local governments just start using easy to read barcodes? What happens when instead of having to use lidar, radar, and CV to detect other drivers, we just have cars communicate between each other over a standardized wireless protocol? I'll tell you what happens. This entire engineering endeavor becomes a bit of a joke. It gets dead easy. At that point, everything geared towards the enthusiast will die even faster than it's dying now. Sad but true.

I wish we could go back

>>17817914
implying I live in a first world shithole where I need to even need to have a working parking brake to pass inspection.

CVT is superior in every way. CVT is so superior they banned them in f1.

>>17817887
This sums it up well

>>17817834
You're asking the wrong question.

>>17817914

Wouldn't, in hindsight, a standard transmission be safer in the long run? Even if we had the same amount of people on the road, which we wouldn't, and is arguably the number one reason for accidents and congestion, would we really need all that safety shit?

If you're too busy focusing on shifting, you can't stare at your phone a weave out of the lane.

>>17817852
More Fun(subjective)=/=Better

>>17818362
But what is 'Better' IS subjective, what I deem is Better is different than what what someone else deems as better.

Take towing for instance, some automatics have a torque bonus, making it more preferable to tow with it, however if you don't have as much power the shorter and more numerous gears in with a manual may allow to be less stressful on a engine pulling away from a stop.

YES

You are driving FOR REAL.
Any grandma can step on gas and let it go. But how about revmatches? Hah!

>>17818457
> But how about revmatches? Hah!
>daily auto car but can heeltoe and revmatch properly

>friends who drive manuals every day can't
>they still act superior

>>17817834
I liken the manual vs. automatic debate to the also infamous vinyl vs. digital divide among audiphiles.

Is automatic more convenient than manual? Yep.
Is it technically “just as good or better” than manual nowadays? For most cars, yes.
In all other cases, is it still close enough to not make much of a difference? Definitely.

But the thing with manual is that it’s more fun. What most people see today as an unnecessary pain in the ass can also be seen as a really cool way to have direct control with your car. Sure your computer can instantly play any song in the world, but nothing can quite beat the feeling of putting on a vinyl record, dust pops and all.

It depend. Somehow retards think that the cvt in a mirage is equal to the dct in Ferrari.

>>17818340
Lane departure is mostly for motorways, where you're in top gear anyway and you're not thinking about the gearbox at all

>>17818576

That's the idea on paper, and it does its job just fine to that purpose. However, there are also a lot of drivers weaving around in congestion because they're bored and looking at their phone. If they were busy constantly switching gears, they'd be annoyed they couldn't stare at their phone

>>17817834
just bought a 99 subaru impreza ts awd for 1600, my first automatic car

I really miss being involved in driving

>>17817834
Sometimes.

I drive a manual every day. It sucks ass on my commute.

>>17818340
I can steer and shift with a burger in my hand. A cell phone is nothing. If your alignment is solid, it's easy to just take one hand off the wheel for a second to knock the shifter into gear.

>>17817834
it gives you more direct control over the entire drive train, with the added complexity of a third pedal and gear selector. additionally because there's no torque converter, more torque from the engine can be put to the wheels. in conjunction with having manual control over the gearing you can see benefits in terms of fuel efficiency if you drive to save fuel.

>>17818661
m8 i only have manuals and live like 10 feet from you and traffic here has quadrupled over the last 10 years and I still wouldn't call it bad at all.

>>17818769
>you can see benefits in terms of fuel efficiency if you drive to save fuel
That's how it used to be.

My CVT locks up the torque converter at 6mph and keeps the engine where it's most efficient most of the time. Stick shift can't beat it for them emm-pee-gees.

Stick shift also can't beat the newer automatics with 9 fucking gears for the same reason: it's more possible to keep the engine where it's most efficient.

That said, my next car is going to be a stick, because I miss driving stick and I want the mechanical simplicity.

>>17818711

You might, sure. But odds are, you're not the problem. You can handle it.

But man-bun Billy, attempting the same thing with his gluten free vegan burger, would either start sobbing or plow into something if xi tried it.

>>17818805
well, maybe in newer cars -- but how new exactly? is it in the last 5 years that automatic transmissions became just as capable or more capable than automatics? maybe in the last 10? I'm sure it also depends on the make, too. If people are buying used cars that are older than this (seemingly arbitrary) number, or of a certain make that has shitty automatic transmissions, then the original argument remains.

I vastly prefer manual but the writing was on the wall since sequential gearboxes overtook F1 and later the rest of motorsports

auto's and dct's are also starting to look dated as Tesla's and Koeniseggs have all but done away with the transmission along with CVT's taking over the shitbox segment's to give a shiftless experience where the rpm gauge is just suggestion to fuel economy and what pitch your engine is humming at

>>17818829
try the 1980s. honda automatics are exactly the same efficiency as a manual trans. (in fact even better in some ways being equipped with a torque converter)

>>17818852
>sequential gearboxes overtook F1 and later the rest of motorsports
We're not F1 racing on the way to the supermarket in our shitboxes.

>auto's and dct's are also starting to look dated as Tesla's and Koeniseggs have all but done away with the transmission
Rich people plaything cars doing weird stuff with their powertrains. Again, not really relevant to us.

>along with CVT's taking over the shitbox segment's
This one is perfectly valid.

Buy manual if you want manual. As long as some people want to save $1,500 and get manual over automatic or prefer manual in their sports cars, they'll keep making them.

>>17818858
autos in the 80s being better than manuals? that's just too hard for me to believe. have there been any respectable studies done? I'm sure everything available on the web is just heavily opinionated / confirmation biased

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>>17818442
Better is not subjective when automatic is proven to be safer by making the common driver more aware on the road and reducing the minimum rpm range in which the gears can be shifted in which only pros can understand. The only possible way in launching from an intersection 0-65kph in a 90° turn in under two seconds from a 300BHP engine is only possible with an automatic these days. To top it off an engine with an automatic saves about 0.9 liters of engine displacement related to fuel consumed over a manual.

>>17817834
Yes. fag.

>>17817834

You should know how to drive a manual transmission. That said, neither is "better" than the other. I have fun rowing my own gears but I've seen base-ass GM auto trannies do just as well.

>>17818858
No they don't you big liar.
>>17818852
>automated manuals took over manuals
Cool story, leaving slushboxes to lag further behind in all but the least inspiring workhorses.

>>17817834
Depends on the desires of the driver.

An automatic transmission is simply more convenient as it does not require driver input and "just works", granted the driver maintains the proper fluid levels and quality. A manual transmission does give one the power over their car and inspires the savvy and curious to study transmissions and learn of gear ratios. I could dive deeper and look at specifications and loss of power in each type of transmission, but the move towards more efficient and well-designed technology makes the differences trivial. I personally like driving manual vehicles as they are more fun and I like to imagine the precision engineering that goes into these cars. Many individuals simply cannot grasp the amount of engineering that goes into each individual car, including those that they consider "shitboxes" or "shitty".

I find it much more entertaining to take control over the cars computer and having the ability to control each individual light, various engine variables, etc. with the help of a laptop.

>>17817877
>more moving parts
>last longer
Fucking retard

>>17817834

No, its not better in every way. Sitting in a traffic jam with a manual is a punishment on your left leg.

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>>17819016
But anon, my dealer said you never need to change the oil in it!

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>>17818821
kek'd
You're right though

the best of both worlds is the sequential gearbox

>>17817834
Manuals are agony in traffic but the good news is you only have to do leg day on one leg if your clutch is heavy.

>>17818956
>automatic is proven to be safer by making the common driver more aware on the road

I know this is bait but how do you figure this?

At best it's counter-intuitive and requires further explanation

>>17817834
Not in every way. Live in a city? No. Want to have fun? Yes.

I work at a subaru dealership (wash rack) and the autos have a 5MPG advantage over manuals.
Why the fuck wouldn't the average Joe buy an automatic?

I'm just as casual but fuck I asked for help from the techs and at least learned how to move the manual cars out of the garage for pickup

>>17817864
>Once a dystopian robot future is made mandatory by a totalitarian regime, you can't have a manual gearbox, therefore it's better.
>Checkmate, stickfags

>>17819141
What if you have a very, very light clutch? I've heard most manuals sold in America have aggressive clutch springs to appeal to a sporty image manuals have there.

Some clutches here even have a servo like a brake does so there's no real effort used in pressing the pedal.

Butthurt manualfags inbound

>>17822286
I'm not buthurt your butthurt!

>>17817834
Not really
Though I do tend to manually shift my gears anyway in my automatic because the automatic always pauses if I accelerate to fast

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>the majority of cars all become electric/automated
>anything an auto transmission can do electric/automation can do better
>the only ICE cars left are for niche hobbyists a la horseback riders
>hobbyists prefer manual over auto so niche manufacturers will cater to what hobbyists want like how gamers are the only people keeping desktops alive
>tfw manual will outlive automatic

depends on how good the driver is
i've seen people drive automatic and still manage be retarded

>>17817834
Not even "every"way it's only better in about "two" which are

1. The clutch which you can pretty much freely step on to give your left leg some work that you probably felt was missing when you learned how to drive a car since hitting the brake with your left is a no-go
and
2. Feeling more involved with the car

Past that automatic pretty much kicks a manuals ass. Hard. Especially since you can just like put in like, paddle shifting on an automatic and effectively get what you can pull in a manual in an automatic so it's almost like a 2-for-1

t.a guy who drives a manual every day to work

And it's not like I dislike manual,I do love the clutch workout but encouraging someone who doesn't care for it is just tryharding really.

Honestly, if you have paddle shifters or an automatic transmission, then your car is gay and I assume you're a pussy. That's just how it is.

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>>17822689
I think your entire worldview needs some adjusting

>>17817834
Autos are good cause it makes it easier to drink drive

>>17824508
he isnt wrong

>>17826782
They are as fun as you want them to be. You can still corner aggressively and whatever. Most autos (even shitty old ones) can be 'tricked' into shifting with a bit of finesse on the throttle. Failing that, most are PRND32L and you can shift them that way.


I DD a small manual car, but there are days I'll take my fuckhuge automatic Suburban if I don't feel like shifting or getting bullied by soccermoms. Unfortunately, I can't drive it every day because it drinks gas like mad and at 275k miles, it's a tired old truck and needs suspension work and rust correction.

>>17818781
I have to go on West Hampden every day for work and right after University it's a parking lot up the hill. Shit is gay. Fine every where else though