ITT: we unfuck the Toybaru >no price drops for no reason >only

Turbo/Supercharger, better tires

>>17804550
Delete torque dip.

>>17804550
>poorfag "Track" option
No inerrior options
just bare metal and cheap plastic
No AC
No radio, but DIN slots
cheapest possible rear seats as option(maybe from Aygo) or no rear seats at all
cheapest possible passenger side seat (maybe Aygo as well)
bucket seat at driver side
bare metal on doors
steel wheels (16" 220mm)

price reduced by about 5k due to cheaper car overall
weight reduced by about 150 kg

>STi/TRD version
turbo
harder suspension with lower ride
front splitter and big rear wing

price increase by about 5k

>>17804560
That would make it more expensive since turbochargers are not exactly cheap.

100hp more
No infotainment "poorfag" package

Thats literally it

>>17804587
>100hp more
That would make it more expensive as well.

Get rid of boxer and put in an i4

>>17804600
Then pay up bitch

>>17804600

Need to do some other strengthening as well. Some cooling mods to the engine in addition, the cars tend to run hot stock without a turbo.

Also beefier axles. Possibly a new transmission to be sourced, current one is good for maybe 400hp sparingly, needs to be a bit more reliable.

>>17804550
give it an inline 4 turbo or 6 engine instead of a shitty boxer engine and make the seats more comfortable.

>>17804550
Drop the boxer
Supplant with 2GR-FE from IS350

>>17804608
That would require major changes to the hood line.

>>17804626
i6 ruins the balance,

Also don't be a fatass, seats are great.

>>17804608
>>17804626
>>17804628
>replace the engine that responds well to mods with one that won't even fit in the car
Y'all brain damaged

>>17804576
You can buy it like that in Japan

>>17804635
2GR will fit dumbass, tuning houses have already done this if you would have searched the fucking subject

>>17804578
Thats why you make it a performance package and not the stock. You can label it an STi or whatever and shouldnt add that much to the price. Its already in WRX price territory with its current performance and people are buying them so

>>17804638
And some dude fit a Ferrari V12 in there as well, but it won't be economical or easy to do on a production line

Literally $500 and an afternoon tier thinking

>>17804639
The WRX price tier with the weak engine is to compensate for the R&D that went into the chassis

>>17804643
Nigger, you asked how to unfuck the Toyobaru, you didn't say whether it was from the factory or already fucked with that weak shit FA20
Be specific next time you dumb faggot

>>17804653
>no price drops for no reason
>only Toyota/Subaru parts
>no change in big stamped sheet metal
>no too big changes

Seems pretty clear to me that OP was talking about out of the factory. Otherwise anyone can buy an FRS for like $13k and slap on an Edelbrock supercharger and stickier tires and still be under $20k right now

>>17804560
>>17804574
>>17804576
>>17804587
>>17804600
>>17804626

You're all missing the point.

Knock 10k off the msrp make it a bare bones shit box

Problem solved

>>17804550
Split fold rear seats for when you are 3 up and have a bike or longbow or two in the back.

UEL headers.

Equip with a dry sump and drop the engine for an even better CoG.

4.5:1 Final Drive

>>17804663
Ok, the 2GR is a toyota engine
There's no change to the sheet metal to get it in
Other than the engine there are no big changes
What the fuck is the point of the price drop being a factor? Did the dumb fuck mean price hike?

>>17804653
You know the FA20 takes more power than the EJ20 to brake right?

>>17804674
>There's no change to the sheet metal to get it in
Yes there is, it will need a much higher bonnet line to pass pedestrian safety regs.

>>17804671
>Knock 10k off the msrp
How would that be realisticly possible?

>>17804674
OP meant "don't slash the price by $5k to $10k and sell the same car because reasons"

2GR would still require assembly line changes on Subaru's end. Even a WRX engine makes more sense

>>17804671
No one likes bare bones shitboxes. Make it a good deal at 30k instead.

>>17804683
It wouldn't. Retards gonna retard

>>17804637
https://www.autoblog.com/2012/02/09/toyota-gt86-comes-in-stripped-down-rc-flavor-in-japan/

I dont understand the price of the GT86 RC. It has tons of the creature comforts stripped out, but only costs 2000 dollars less than the base model with the niceties and is only 100 lb lighter. You would think stripping all that stuff out like the AC and using steel wheels would save a lot more money than 2000 dollars

>>17804695
Not that much these days since so many cars come with AC and alloy wheels standard, the costs for those parts have been driven way down. It also shows how the profit margins aren't all that big

>>17804678
Doesn't matter, it's a shitty pancake engine

>>17804682
Wrong, the engine can be placed low enough that the HOOD will clear in it's current design

>>17804685
Fuck Subaru, they've choked this thing since inception, and this is a "how do we unfuck..." thread so anything is possible
2GR>>FA20

>>17804706
>the engine can be placed low enough that the HOOD will clear in it's current design
And then the engine will sit so low that it would negatively affect ground clearance
They'd also have to completely redesigned how the engine would eject from the car in the case of a front end collision

>>17804706
>the engine can be placed low enough that the HOOD will clear in it's current design

Not and pass the legal requirements for pedestrian safety without complex and expensive bonnet pyrotechnic rams, return to /mlp/ or /pol/ you knuckle dragging mongoloid.

>>17804714
jfc, no
Those that have performed the swap have said that it will fit in the same packaging with out any major redesigns to the sheet metal to get the engine to fit, or the suspension
It's been done before
>>17804727
Read above you tea swilling charlatan

>>17804735
So those people who swapped it have done crash tests as well? They re-engineered the engine ejection mechanisms?

>>17804706
>2GR
What a dog of an engine 84% of the specific output of the FA20, bigger, heaver, much higher CoG. No wounder Toyota needed a Subaru engine if that peace of shit is the best they can do.

>>17804735
>Read above you tea swilling charlatan
I have, you aren't very smart are you? Just because someone can make it fit don't mean a manufacture will get it passed crash tests. It wouldn't pass them

>>17804550
Either 2 things

1. Drop the price by 3k because 27 is way too much

2. Keep the price but give it the same turbo as the wrx for extra 70hp

Or maybe a 3rd: fix the torque dip with better headers

>>17804735
So no single peace of metal sits any higher than on the FA20?

>>17804550
Make it a light shitbox with good suspension that's 10k off the price.
No electronic bullshit or interior options.
Better tires.
Get rid of the "sporty" angled and ANGERY look, that's not what the AE/GT 86 is.
Possibly get rid of the fucking boxer engine.

>STi/TRD
what >>17804576 said

>>17804746
>engine ejection mechanisms
Since its coming from the factory, this is a non-issue and wonder why you bring it up in the first place
>>17804750
You shut your whore mouth, the 2GR makes over 300 bhp, is only marginally heavier than the FA20
>higher CoG
LMAO who fucking cares? This is the dumbest argument Ive ever heard coming from Subie fuccbois

>>17804758
>muh crash tests
What guarantee do you have that it won't?

>>17804770
>Since its coming from the factory, this is a non-issue and wonder why you bring it up in the first place
The factory will just engineer it for free, right? Just completely change the engine bay so you can have your meme engine

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>>17804765
>1. Drop the price by 3k because 27 is way too much

It's cheaper than any comparative car by a long way. Have you seen the cost of a Miata with an LSD? Even with the Miata Club's tire advantage the 86 is faster.

>>17804550
Remove a lot of standard features and make them options.

Alloys - optional
AC - optional
Fancy sound system / radio / satnav - optional
Rear seats - use cheap ones from an corolla
Less trim on doors and glove box can just be a shelf
Put in a dirt cheap corolla engine for a base model

>>17804770
>What guarantee do you have that it won't?
The fact it's taller and the 86 only just passes the test for the minimum height clearance between the engine and the hood. Keep digging.

>LMAO who fucking cares?
Everyone who isn't a retard. Ah I see your problem.

>2GR makes over 300 bhp,
In what none supercharged application?

>>17804778
I'd buy one if it was on the same price point as the civic si which can be had for about 24k. Which is where a lot of these kinds of cars can be found

Imo price for price at the 27k mark I'm more inclined to buy a wrx than a brz because I don't have an explicit desire for the rwd lsd as much as I do an overall high performance car

Even then if I was in the market for a rwd lsd car I'd rather blow 3k more on the brz price and get a 370z sport that has fuck tons more power and an lsd

>>17804781
>>17804576
>cheapest possible rear seats as option(maybe from Aygo)
>Rear seats - use cheap ones from an corolla

Why do people seem to think rear seats that conform to the body shape are just interchangeable between models?

>>17804792
370s are pigfat and old. The base models also have shit suspension

Just get a used BRZ for well under $20k

>>17804778
I dont know if this is an apples to orange comparison, but the new Honda Civic Si has a turbo motor + LSD and has the same 205HP for around 23-24k new and has a much nicer feeling interior. I know RWD is inherently more expensive to make than FWD cars, but come on, the 3k price gap is too much

>>17804792
>Even then if I was in the market for a rwd lsd car I'd rather blow 3k more on the brz price and get a 370z sport that has fuck tons more power and an lsd

You wouldn't if you drove them back to back.

>>17804803
The Civic is also a mass produced platform.

>>17804550
The fuel economy requirements pressured on the 86 is why there is a disgusting power curve. The curve is evidence of striving for the best fuel economy at cruising speed and best economy when driving around the city...
Fix the fuelling map and open up the exhaust a bit and it will probably look at another 50hp easily I believe... but it might not pass emissions like they need it to

>>17804803
The Civic Si has the benefit of leveraging a mass produced ecoobox chassis, whereas the Toyburu uses a bespoke RWD chassis. Suddenly the price difference isn't all that big

>>17804773
You're goddamned right, blow it out yer ass

>>17804790
Minimum shminimum, that engine can fit, as swappers have already proven

You know who don't care? Those who've driven a stock toyobaru and one with a 2GR swapped, that's who and CoD isn't a factor

2GR makes over 300bhp FROM THE FACTORY WITH NO FORCED INDUCTION in the Lexus IS350 since 2006, which also happens to be rwd

BLOW IT OUT YER ASS

>>17804831
>he wants a literal soccer mom engine in his sports car

>>17804831
Literally $500 and an afternoon talk here buddy

>>17804831
Ok now I get it you are just a troll. Or very stupid we will now ignore you and the heavy ass 2GR and stick none idiots.

>>17804840
Point out where I said that fuckface, oh that's right I didn't
>>17804837
Point out a 2GR powered rear wheel drive minivan in production right now, oh that's right you can't
>>17804844
Right, just keep using that failure of an engine design you subie fuccboi

>>17804849
Do the driven wheels affect how an engine revs? God you're retarded

Put a k20 in it.

>>17804849
Given a choice between an FA20 and 2GR not one person with a brain will take Toyota's turd over the superior Subaru.

>>17804852
No, it doesnt and what does it matter if it came from a minivan or not? Bisimoto did a 1,000 hp Odyssey with the J35 that came in it, does it make the J35 a piece of shit? No it doesn't

>>17804858
>Subaru
>superior
>over Toyota

Thank you for confirming once again how retarded Subaru fuccbois are

>>17804859
The K series revs nicer than the J series and feels more SPORTY, which is what matters in a SPORTS CAR

>>17804683
Stop pretending that base model civics don't sell for 16k

A brz or 86 with nothing more than ac is more than adequate. Unless you are stuck on being delusional that is 30k car

>>17804861
Look at the specs, the 2GR is shit.

>Do you prefer the 2GR?
>Are you stupid?
You must answer the same to both questions.

>>17804867
So you're saying a J35 can't be made more sporty? LMAO, go do some actual research into engines before posting your nonsense here ever again

>>17804872
>has no idea what he's talking about
Sure to love that non-existent after market for the J series

>>17804871
>shit specs
From wikipedia
>The 2GR-FSE engine is rated at 309PS (227kW; 305hp) at 6,400 RPM and 38.4kg·m (377N·m; 278lb·ft) at 4,800 RPM.
Even if you went with a regular 2GR, your looking at anywhere from 268-296 bhp, you're a fucking retard m8

>>17804881
>non-existent aftermarket

The beauty of the J series is that parts from one will fit on another, and if you did your research, which its obvious you haven't done anything research related except for Subaru, you would know this
Fuck off

>>17804887
That's not aftermarket you mong

>>17804871
How many times has the FA20 been in ward's top ten engines this decade?
3
How many times has the 2GR been in ward's top ten engines this decade?
0 (but it was in 4 times in the last decade)

So it looks like the FA20 has pushed the 2GR out of the top 10 engines for good, apparently according to idiots by being worse.

>>17804610
>"then pay up bitch"
>enthusiasts dont buy because enthusiasts are poor as fuck
>sells like shit
>gets canned by toyota
>"ALL M-M-MUH ENTHUSIAST CARS ARE DED FUCK TOYOTA"

>>17804887
>305hp

From a heavy 3.5L lump, that's shit.

>>17804550
make it a foot longer so normal-sized men can fit in it comfortably

>>17804802
>370s are pigfat and old
No they fucking aren't. You'll call a 370z old because it's from 2009 but actually got real updates but you won't call a gt86 old even though it hasn't changed at all since it's introduction in 2012.

The car is only 3300lbs which is average for cars its size with a 6 cylinder and it runs circles around a brz any day

>>17804894
>J series has no aftermarket
http://www.powerrevracing.com/Honda-J-Series-s/1877.htm

http://www.proimporttuners.com/parts/acura/tl-performance-parts.html

Here's two examples

>>17804906
You're fucking retarded, that's already been established

>>17804936
>only 3300lbs
That's pigfat
>from 2009
More like 2002

>>17804550
Put the Camry v6 in it.
That's it.

Stick a 2JZ in it.

>>17804951
>More like 2002
It's not a 350z you fucking Mongoloid

>it's pigfat
The v6 Honda accord is 3500 and a v6 camry is 3400. And those are fwd cars that lack a drive shaft to the rear wheels which is usually more heavy

>>17804962
Don't even bother, I've been arguing with 2-3 idiots who are vehemently opposed to the idea

>>17804550
>No too big changes
Lmao who are making these threads, dumb twelve year olds?

>>17804938
I'm not the one defending the pigfat shit output 2GR against the objectively better FA20. Show me one time the 2GR has beaten the FA20 in a Ward's engine of the year competition. Go on just one. You can't because you are pushing for an engine that's shit, because you are clearly mentally sub par.

>>17805001
>Ward's
It won 10 Best from 06-09 dumbass, who cares about your arbitrary argument
The FA20 didn't come out until 2012, and it only won on the year of it's release, I wonder why? Maybe because everyone figured out that it has a HUGE torque valley, while the 2GR, whether Fe or FSE, does not

But yet here you are pushing an engine that loses torque when it supposed to be making more, talk about a shit engine

What's there to unfuck? Pretty decent car for the price. People forget the Miata with an LSD costs the same just about.

>>17805035
OP is an obese loser fishing for (You)'s, it worked

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>>17805001
Also
>pigfat
Pic related is the 2GR weight, while the FA20 is 17 lbs heavier

>>17805076
When comparing something to a 4-cylinder boxer engine denter of gravity matters.
The boxer is much shorter and lower than other engines, except maybe for 2-rotor wankel.

>>17805032
>e FA20 didn't come out until 2012, and it only won on the year of it's release,
And 2 years since then, the 2GR hasn't wone a top ten slot since the FA20 came out while it has won 3 in that time. That tells you everything that you need to know about which is better and it's not the 2GR.

>>17804962
>>17804991
Thinks samefagging will make him look less of a retard.

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>>17805131
And yet when the 2GR has been swapped in, there have been no noticeable differences between the engines and how the car handles, funny that

>>17805140
Because it won three years in a row and no one was complaining about it you fucking mong, you're shitty pancake engine has a huge torque dip which is why the only variant that made it after it's initial launch was the WRX motor, that's saying something because the FA20's torque dip was so bad the only way they could remedy it was putting a turbo on it, that's a trash engine

>samefag
Pic related

>>17805182
There are differences and they are noticeably in corner heavy courses.

>>17805182
Using a phone to samefag doesn't make you less retarded or change the fact the 2GR has never beaten the FA20 in a Ward's top 10, come back with your dung heap engine when it can.

1JZ-GTE.

The spirit of the car remains the same. But now the engine isn't crap, is actually good for being "muh moddan platform", you can do the spark plugs in five minutes instead of one hour, and the head gasket will actually last a while.

>>17805207
Too tall to fit under the hood while remaining legal.

>>17805203
Dipshit, I've been posting on my phone and ONLY my phone, I'm not Alphonse nigger-tier, thank you

>>17805199
Maybe with a stock suspension, but that can be overcome

>>17805211
Then why has it been done? Do you research what you post? Cause it looks like you don't

>>17805232
No, the center of gravity will always be more forward and the load transfer will be higher.

>>17805239
Because unlike Toyota retards in a garage don't need to worry about the legalities of new car sales.

>>17805239
>Then why has it been done?
Lots of people kill each other, doesn't make it legal. Why is it idiots think because it can physically fit in the space that's the same as having the required clearances?

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>>17805255
Not really though, pic related fits just fine sitting right on or a little before the front axles, CoG doesn't matter for the engine, stop acting like it's the end all be all

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>>17805295
Nice refutation, considering the fact that all the points that the post I responded too were incorrect, you have to come up with a strawman awesome

Anyways, pic related is a 2JZ in a FR-S/GT86 and it has no clearance issues, and remember that the 2JZ has a taller block to deal with the increased stroke, since the 1JZ is a shorter stroke, the taller deck isn't required and wouldn't be an issue other than weight forward of the front axle

>>17805297
The boxer is way shorter and lower.
>CoG doesn't matter for the engine
It does matter a lot since the engine is the most heavy part in the car...

>>17805326
And it's got 100hp less and weighs more than the 2GR, I guess that piece of shit needs to have a lower CoG considering how pigfat it is for a 4 cylinder

>>17805318
No it would be illegal as was stated. Every point in the post you replied to was correct. See >>17805297 for another example of an engine that sits too close to the hood to be legal, making it a pointless suggestion as it would make the car unsalable. Are people on /o/ honestly this stupid?

>>17805396
>sits too close to the hood to be legal

What kind of fake bullshit are you spouting? It's not a metric, you're just pulling that stupid CoG meme out of your ass
the relation of the motors position to the hood isn't a determining factor of whether the engine placement is "legal" or not, just shut the fuck up because you're just a meme loving dumb fuck

>>17804868
I think about this every now and then even basemodel hyundais and nissans sell for 12k
I think the reason they don't sell toyobarus for less than 20k is because they're not practical compared to a hatchback. Nobody needs a car that only carries two people (comfortably), but rather they want one, and are likely to save money to buy something they want, since they probably already have a practical vehicle.
If toyobarus were a practical hatchback like the ae86, it could more than likely sell for less just because it's a practical necessity vehicle that also happens to be rwd.

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>>17805396
>No it would be illegal

>Lives in commiefornia
>has smog testing
>can't go from obd2 to obd1 without breaking laws

>>17804550
Sell it under the Corolla name with a hybrid option, slightly lifted, but basically fleet tier interior. Give it a hatch if possible.

If they sell well, the chassis should get cheaper and drive the cost down for the normal 86 line.

Basically, it would never work because people want cheap 4 door SUVs that pretend they're good for the environment now. Not sporty coupes.

>>17805417
You must be a clinical retard. There are clearly laid out minimum legal clearances in C&U regulations for the minimum distance between the hood and any solid engine component. Why do you think Ford fit pyrotechnic rams to the mustang hood? Fun.

>>17805417
To sell a new car, it must have a few inches of empty space below the hood to allow the hood to crumple under the force of hitting a pedestrian.

>>17805793
My point that this fucking retard refuses to acknowledge-->>17805725
Is that the 2GR can be installed with enough clearance under the hood for any requirement

>>17805076

>Oil Consumption
>Up to 1qt/750 miles

What the fuck, is this secretly a rotary engine?

>>17805850
I'm pretty sure you'll find the same rating on other Japanese engines

>>17805819
No it can't as ha been pointed out to you repeatedly by at least 2 other people before I joined the thread with >>17805725 this post. You want us to believe that it has the requisite clearances then prove it the onus is on you to back up your claim.

>>17805866

So you're telling me that a brand new engine that takes 5qt of oil is meant to go for an entire 5000-7500 mile OCI while burning potentially its entire supply?

Literally, rotaries burn less oil than that.

>>17805872
>it's been pointed out
Without any data, no articles or citations
Yet I have provided successful implementation of the 2GR going into the 86 chassis and those same naysayers who tried to say the 2GR was pigfat without realizing their shitty pancake is fatter than a V6, no one has proved shit except for me
>>17805891
>what does up to mean
Think about it, then go look it up, then get back to me

>>17805872
Subaru actually had to develop a plastic inlet manifold and plenum to achieve this clearance on the BRZ platform.

>>17804550
>do nothing to the car
>have toyota use them to win races

>>17805897
You have provided a picture of one that is clearly too high in the engine bay to pass the test. I haven't seen a single post saying it won't go in just that it will sit too high to have the mandated clearance. Something you now admit that you can't provide any evidence that it would be legal.

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>>17804792
You can easily get a brand new BRZ for 24k.

>>17804812
>Fix the fuelling map and open up the exhaust a bit and it will probably look at another 50hp easily I believe
Lol no. Maybe 25hp if you are lucky and have an amazing tune

>>17804911
Tall people actually fit in this car really well, compared to other cars that are the same size.

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>>17805913
Fine, don't take my word for it, check pic related and here's the link to the forum
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91960&page=2

ITT: we unfuck the new CRX

I'll start
>Drop half its weight through safety and metal shedding.

>>17804608
More like i6

>>17804966
The Accord and Camry can also seat 5 adults comfortably and have large trunks

>implying the 370z isn't just a 350z with a bigger engine
Next you're going to tell me a 280z isn't just a larded out 240z

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>>17804576
already a thing

https://www.autoblog.com/2012/02/09/toyota-gt86-comes-in-stripped-down-rc-flavor-in-japan/

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>>17804550

step 1: ditch subaru
step 2: partner with mazda
step 3: build mk3 86 using ND miata platform & 230hp 2.5L toyota engine, sell it for $28k base
step 4: offer TRD supercharged version for $36k

>>17806080
>step 4: offer TRD supercharged version for $36k
It would cost much more than 36k you moron, plenty would still cry about it being "overpriced"

>>17806080
Moron

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Put it in the trash and replace it with pic related for a much lower price.

Turbo it to give it similar HP as the WRX and then it'd be worth 27k

Or drop the price by 3k

Everyone always talks about putting a turbo on it, but why not a supercharger?

How about they make a rwd corolla. That's all we wanted.

>>17806741
No, it really isn't.

Give it the 6 cylinder boxer engine

>>17806015
You are still missing the point. Learn to read the entire post you are responding to. IT IS NOT LEGAL FOR A MANUFACTURER TO SELL A CAR WITHOUT SEVERAL INCHES OF EMPTY SPACE BETWEEN THE TOP OF THE ENGINE AND THE HOOD. That does not mean a CONSUMER cannot change it.

>>17804550
move the boxer-4 to RMR layout and offer the Toyota with supercharger and Subaru with turbo. Double wishbones on all 4 corners.

>>17806817
He is clearly dumber than Alphonse, that has been pointed out so many times and he just can't grasp a basic concept of the difference between physically and legally achievable.

>>17806707

I would go out and buy one tomorrow if they released it for $15k

In fact, I could pay most of it off right away with how much I've socked away just in case it gets America'd.

What a shit thread
>hey improve this car within my very tight rules that would exclude any significant improvements
>huh can't do it? guess that means the car is perfect

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>>17804550
IDK How to reasonably improve the car.

I want one But it falls short is every category except for handling.

Alot of shit things about it
Interior
tires
brakes
exhaust/sound
engine is already maxed out.
price is meh.

To me buying a nice Daily like a VW CC + Miata/Rx8 for less than a used FRS costs makes sooo much more sense. RX8 is a better car than the FRS/BRZ.

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>>17806717
Why do people always say the brz is 27k?

MSRP is 25k and you're a dumbass if you pay MSRP for a 5 year old platform

>>17807261
>RX8 is a better car than the FRS/BRZ
As a weekend car? Maybe

As a daily driver? No fucking way

>>17804550
It's okay the way it is, but a UEL header would help with the torque dip and better tires would be nice. I'd also make an STI version by putting the FA20DIT from the WRX into the tS.

Strip everything out

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>>17807301
RX8 is Faster, better interior, handling, Sexier.

I would not DD a RX8, unless I had a real small commute.

>>17804550
>we unfuck the Toybaru
>no change in big stamped sheet metal
>no too big changes

Gee, you're not giving me much to work with.

What the car needs is a new front end design to remove that dumb face aesthetic bullshit, an I6 or V6 engine, and double wishbone front suspension. You do those three things and I'd consider buying it.

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>>17807323
The interior of the rx8 is nothing special. The 86 isn't fancy, but all the controls are right where they should be. The 86 also has better seats.

I personally find the rx8 to be awkward looking.

The rx8 is slightly faster, but really it would be a driver's race on any road that wasn't completely straight.

86 has more cargo room, much more economical, and cheaper to maintain. Not to mention the aftermarket is massive.

>>17806864
Me too senpai.
Under $20k AUD and I'll pay cash.

>>17804550
>ITT we unfuck Toyobaru
>Not allowed to do anything worthwhile to unfuck it.

Subaru says fuck toyota, partners with chebby.
Strip the car of all non essentials, use LS engine, manual only, white/black paint only.
Everything else stays the same.

>>17804631
you're missing the fact that people stuff 2jzs and LS in these dingus

>>17804550
You know how the Lotus Evora has a supercharged Toyota Camry V6 making 400HP?

Do that.

>>17807323
>RX-8 on short commute
That would kill the Renesis

>>17807351
The reason for these limitations is that a manufacturer can not simply change the stamped sheet metal parts of his cars since this would require a new set of tools wich are incredible expensive.

>>17804635
>2.0 engine with 200hp stock
>taking well to mods

lol

>>17808812
>engine already made to rev
>engine already made for high cylinder pressure

>>17808183
And? Are you one of the retards that doesn't understand the legal requirements for clearance between the hood and engine?

>>17808812
The FA20D will become unreliable when boosted to over 425hp in a DD with an otherwise stock engine.

>>17808812
>having autism
lol

>>17808821
>>17809803
>>17809834
>defending a shitty pigfat archaically designed 4 cylinder
V A P E B O Y S

>>17809972
Well you got buthurt hard and fast.

>>17809997
>implying
Yet anyone that's talked shit about your little FA motor gets 3 (you)s, your thread is shit

>>17810008
Stating not implying.

>>17809972
>unironically having autism
lol

>>17810021
I don't vape like you subiefags so no
>>17810012
Your statement is wrong

>>17804550
It looks like a flashy sports car,the original 86 was more low key which is better.

Fast forward 10 years until it's affordable for the average /or/ car """enthusiast""".
There, done.

>>17804550

Toyota should have done this from the beginning but all it ever needed was the V6 camry engine with a good tune which toyota is more than capable of delivering on both ends.

LS3 swap
Actual wheels and tires
Done

Inline 6

>>17810030
>Your statement is wrong
Doesn't seem like it from your sperging.

>>17811486
>V6 camry engine
That's a lump of shit, however you tune it.

Thicker tires, supercharger, UEL headers as a package.

>>17804550
engineer a new engine in conjunction with yamaha like good old times

Partner w Edelbrock for the trd version.
Currently it's about 5k?
They do warranty as well for drivetrain, so Toyota doesn't have to worry about it.
Literally just direct pass to consumer.

It's literally fine as it is for what it is.

Wow it's not a $5000 car from the 90's.. New cars are expensive. That's just how it is. You idiots should be happy someone decided to even make a RWD car in that price point other than the fucking miata.
You should be memeing this car to every normie you see so we can get more RWD cars.

EJ20TT

>>17813655
>they should have put an objectively worse engine in it just because im a fanboy of the first engine code i learned
made me think

Camry V6 with supercharger ala Evora. Standard road tires instead of the ecos. That's it.

>>17813650
This is the only right answer.

>>17813664
In addition this would negate the need for the new supra and be a better car... Guess that's why it won't happen. Somebody swap it.

All the people who want the car to be faster and more powerful can get it tuned up for exactly that. It's illogical to demand more power for free when it's already the best new car at its price point.
>Wah it should have a $5000+ performance package from the factory
But there's a $5000 Supercharger package that comes with its own perfectly good warranty that boosts it to 300.
When I see people dropping Corvette and Ferrari Engines into this fucking thing, That doesn't mean the car is inferior, it's already a favoured tuner and modder platform, so if you want it to be faster, and you're not broke as fuck and riding the bus, you can get an 86 as powerful as you want.

Turbo engine out of the WRX (same block as in the BRZ, piping may needs to be routed differently). Bigger tires. Sports suspension. Splitter and wing. Done. You could probably offer it for $32,000 or so judging by the difference in price between the Impreza and WRX, and it would greatly outhandle a Mustang or Camaro.

>>17813660
it wasn't the first engine code I learned. I hate subaru boxers, but they might as well use the best engine available from the highest spec version of their best car.

>>17804550
Nothing. The car is great as is.

>>17807261
>brakes
What did he mean by this?

The RX-8 is also an unmaintainable piece of junk. Unless you have the money to keep sending it away or happen to really know rotaries, its best to go with literally anything else; doesnt even have to be a BRZ or something similar.

>>17804635
>engine that responds well to mods
Would that be the direct injection high compression NA engine?
And by mods do you mean air filter?

>>17804576
nigger in this day and age poorfag track options are more expensive than the base car because fuck you I guess

>>17813650
It's not turbo'd
When it was announced it was getting a Subaru flat 4 everyone thought turbo.

The simplest was to unfuck the car is add the turbo everyone thought it was going to be getting from the outset.

>>17804900
Then change who the car is for. Hot hatchbacks like the Golf R, Audi S3 and BMW M140 sell like hot cakes despite their considerable premium. Those cars are significantly faster than the Subaru in a straight line and on most public roads (which is where 99% of people drive), so the Toybaru doesn't really "offer" much in relation to them. Those cars also offer function as well as performance, whereas the Toyobaru offers none of that.

The Miata sells more than the Toyobaru because it's aimed at the right people.

Either Toyota need to remarket their car to Miatafags, or repackage it (which means increasing the power) to target enthusiasts who like hot hatchbacks. Hell, even the fucking Fiesta ST outsells the Toyobaru. The toyobaru is grossly overpriced for what it offers on paper, and it doesn't make up for the lack of power on the road because most roads don't cater to the car.

It's a retarded car.

>>17804550
>no torque dip
>no drive by wire and numb pedals
>tighter steering rack so it doesn't feel like a boat at low speed
>idgaf about tires they get replaced anyway
>slightly stiffer rear suspension so it doesn't loose its composure over speed bumps in the parking lot; not like it's looking to constantly go sideways all the time anyway

And do I want a supercharger or whatever? Of course. But actually just fix the driving feel. Don't really wind it out that often anyway.

>>17804911
Just admit you're fat m8. I can sit in this car just fine at 1.88m which is 6'2 I believe

>>17813962
But sports cars gotta have two doors and almost no space and very little ground clearance because 200hp is totally going to get you up to aero-matters speeds on a track with corners

It's just the way it is

>Manufacturers: Why do people keep swapping corvette engines into family cars?

>>17814096
I'm 6'4" and I can even sit in the back as long as there's a manlet in front of me. Front has plenty of room and I don't even put the seat all the way back.

Key to this car is being almost small.

>>17808168
>Subaru says fuck toyota, partners with chebby.
>Turns the car into a luxobarge, usesMGE ecotec engine, auto only, yellow paint only.
>Everything else stays the same.
lets not even pretend that americans don't think "a sportscar" means a smaller luxobarge.

>>17813962
The Miata sells about the same as the BRZ and 86 combined, plus minus a few hundred units depending on year. Actually outsold the Miata in 2016 in the US.

They're not exactly sales disasters, unless you consider the Miata a sales disaster.

way to fix 86 in the eyes of the few retarded busrider autists on /o/:
sell the japanese version with steelies and stripped out chassis and rolling shell because lets face it its just a tuner car.

>>17806065
Fuck. Base trims really turn me on for some reason. Must be because I'm a poorfag.

>>17814140
The miata has an already-existing architecture that has seen incremental changes over the years, meaning the car is very profitable. The BRZ/GT86 is an entirely new and bespoke platform that even now probably has not yet made a return. Just because it outsold the Miata in 2016, doesn't mean it was a success on the balance sheet.

>>17804699
You are delusional if you think that the price drop is in any way indicative of those profit margins on these shit boxes. It's just plain business. They are stripping cheap parts out of the car. Like that other anon said, those features have been around so long that they are infact the cheapest parts of the car to manufacture and fit. Also behind all of this is the fact that idiots will pay that price for the rc version so why not ask that much for it? The car is already an overpriced as fuck piece of shit but if people are willing to pay then Toyota will gladly allow them to.

>>17814215

The 86 alone has outsold the Miata every year since 2013, excluding 2016.

I think you're overstating the platform itself, and understating the retooling and redesign that the ND miata went through. If anything the mid model refresh of the twins might be more profitable

>>17813962
maybe you should stop being a faggot.
hothatches are for literal retards who think they can drive, they stop on the gas pedal and feel that midrange, they do a 6-7sec 0-100 and think their car is hot shit. it's not. it's a fucking family car no matter how you look at it. the toyobaru (and even the miat) is a fucking sportscar, that entails a chasis built for that purpose, low cog, rwd, doesn't look like something that came out of my ass like a fucking FiST or VW golf.

I promise you that if you come with a hothatch pushing 300+ hp I will still shit all over you in an """"underpowered""" toyobaru or a miata on a road that has actual turns, faggot.
jesus christ this summer can't end soon enough
>audi
>golf r
>sports cars
kys

Let Mazda put a turbo rotary in it for $32k

OK, you know what else?

The goddamn blower is fucking loud. Just try pushing the defrost button and you'll think road noise was a thing of the past. It doesn't even blow that hard, either. It fuckin' blows.

>>17814468
Good job misreading the entire post, retard faggot.

I am saying that the Toyobaru doesn't really have a target market. "enthusiast" is a fucking nebulous term that has no fucking meaning since anyone can be an enthusiast and not like this car. The sort of people who would buy these cars in droves would buy it if it had actual power. But it doesn't. Even enthusiasts say "it's quite underpowered for a modern car" and it fucking is. It has the same power as a Honda Civic from 17 years ago, and only barely outperforms it. It has considerably less power than cars which sell like hot cakes, even though those people generally don't buy them for their practicality but their performance.

The point was the Toyobaru could do so much better if Toyota/Subaru knew what the fuck they were doing. Given that Toyota had to ask BMW to help them build a sports car and sports car engine, and Subaru haven't done jack shit to their last remaining fast car (the WRX) for a long ass time, all evidence suggests not.

>>17804550
drop the price or add a turbo and headers

>>17814468
>>17814747
Also I did not once say that the Golf R is a "sports car". You probably got threatened by the real talk and had to don your white armor and shield and rush to Toybaru-maiden's aid.

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>>17814468
LoL

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>>17814468

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>>17814468
>CoG meme

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>>17804550
make it faster than a minivan

>>17804550
What if they put an H6 in there? NA and everything.

Would that be an upset or what?

>>17816359
Supposedly someone in Japan swapped an EZ30 in, but it messed up the balance. The swapped car is on an episode of Hot Version, but my Japanese is pretty bad, so I'm just going off of what I heard somewhere else. https://youtu.be/HeGcasY5I24?t=7m19s

>>17817327
Huh. I thought part of the plan with the H6 versions was that they were light and didn't change things too much.

Guess I can't be too surprised, though. As much as I love the gokart handling, it really does feel as if the whole thing is a little too far forward of both axles.

>>17813943
Stock engine can do about 275 whp with FI on stock internals before knock - it can do 400 (stock) with water/meth injection.

It's not a bad engine. You just can't be a retard by bolting on ebay turbos like you did with your d15. High compression can still be taken advantage of with FI.

so many people here dancing around the real issue


that engine as is, is shit, period
change the entire fuckin engine

>>17818245
THANK YOU

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>>17804550
Make it faster than an S2000, oh wait.

>>17804576
ever been in one? the rear seats are already just a piece of plastic

The fix is " drawing board"

>>17819115
impressive

when are they fixing the STI?

>>17804550
turbo or price drop

fix headers

>>17818245
>its shit because I said so

Mr. "You can't turbo it because its too wide"

>>17819647
and what are the goals? whats the current standard sports car to emulate? dont say miata, its a roadster

>>17819660
>implying every tripfag isnt alphonse

For 27k I would have done exactly what the WRX has save for the AWD. The WRX FA20 makes 270hp where this one barely makes 205.

This thing really should have come with a turbo, it would have been really simple and easy to add

>>17819672
I wouldn't mind if they used the corolla i4 engine and turbo'd that.

>>17819682

You would have to lift the hood line bye quite a lot to make that legal.

>>17819682
I want one with a camry v6, it makes around 280 in the camry and with an aggressive factory tune and premium fuel only it could likely push out well over 300hp

>>17819692
Hmm that sucks. They couldn't just give it a hood scoop to raise the hood a little bit?

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>>17818245
It's the most powerful NA 4 cylinder currently available in any car, revs high, and takes to boost decently well. What more do you want?

Just because you are a fat fuck and would slow the car down even more doesn't mean the engine is bad.

>>17819672
Turbos are cool, but NA has it's own benefits too. Subaru or Toyota will never make a factory turbo 86

>>17819701
no, pedestrian safety standards mandate a given clearance between the engine and hood.

>>17818245
it's not shit for what it is though.
all it would take to appease faggots like you is to give it more displacement.
a 2.5l version of it pushing 250hp would be enough for all the people complaining it feels slow.
though 200hp in such a light car is not exactly slow. it's not 4 sec 0-60 fast but it's not slow either.
I do understand that it might feel gutless because you have to rev it, and a lot of people nowadays are used to their turbo 4 banger shitboxes with that meaty midrange so when they see they're at 4000rpms and nothing's happening they feel disappointed.
This lack of midrange is noticeable, I'll admit to that, but that's all.
200hp is enough for the vehicle's weight.
yes, maybe toyota/subaru should offer a higher displacement version or a turbo version. they're not gonna do that though cause then it's gonna be even more expensive.

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>>17820235
Another thing people don't think about is weight reduction. It's relatively cheap and easy to get this car to 26XXlbs, making the car even more responsive. That, along with a tune make this car the perfect daily driver

>>17820408
that too.
the car is honestly great for what it is. it competes with the bmw 325i in terms of performance with the tradeoff of some luxury.
I don't understand why people expect it to outperform 300+hp cars or compete with cars in the $50.000 price range

>>17820408
Interestingly, one time I had mine loaded up with people, cargo, and even had a couple of feet of stuff on the roof for extra wind resistance. Not only was the highway MPG still above 30, but it felt great to drive because I wound up waiting a little longer to shift so I wasn't always stuck in the torque dip.

Granted winding it out wasn't as sprightly as when it's empty, but even the handling was great, especially with extra weight over the rear.

It really seems to me like it shouldn't take much tweaking to make the car as much fun when you're not pushing it as when you are. The existing 205HP really is a decent match for the car when you use it. And then go ahead and make an expensive version that comes with more power for people that want to pay for it.

>>17813962
>Hot hatchbacks
jokes on you, it's aimed at precisely the right people
people who realize that even an ugly coupe looks better than a fucking hatchback

Focus RS 345 hp
Fiesta ST 197 hp
Clio RS 197 hp
Megane RS 225-275 hp
Civic Type R 306 hp
Vauxhall Corsa VXR 205 hp
Vauxhall Astra VXR 236 hp
Golf R 297 hp

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>>17804574
This, also normal wheels not this ugly flower two-tone flat-face cutaway shit.

If it came looking like this from factory, plus a Toyota inline 4 instead of this boxer shit, it would be a good car.

Jesus Christ the FA20 shills are in full fucking force today boys

I got an idea


why not buy the GT86

and
and swap it


swap the engine

with an F22C?????????

>>17821132
I got an idea


Kill you are self

>>17821132
Because the FA20 has been in the top 10 engines 3 out of 4 years since it was launched swapping it seems pointless.

Just put an LS in it.

>>17807261
i miss tv snow
the world is so blue now, it's bs

>>17821211
Not the FA20 N/A, it was on for only one year, the only other FA20s that made the list are turbo models, which of course your favorite company won't ever put in, so stop lying about the FA20

>>17821017
I see people complain about the boxer layout, but I don't understand what is so bad about it?

>>17821257
It's overweight for what it is, a 4 cylinder

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>>17821067
>Jesus Christ the FA20 shills are in full fucking force today boys
Not an argument

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>>17820618
Why do people seem to have a downer on the MPGs of the FA20 if you don't thrash it the way it likes to be thrashed it will do this all day (after a 200 mile trip on motorways and some A&B roads)

>>17821267
Thanks for acknowledging the post, shill!

>>17821257
I puts weight further forward than you'd want it (the toybaru's front axle placement is limited by the need to get the steering around the engine. Other than that not much that I can think of other than memes and history.

Having the weight down lower really is a noticeable benefit imo, but not everybody notices or cares.

OP is still triggered about this car 3 days later

>>17821283
OP knew what the fuck he was doing with his arbitrary bullshit, he's just an FA20 fangirl defending his fatgirl engine

>>17821271
m8 I meant that like a good thing. As in, the MPG barely dropped despite the extra weight and wind resistance. The decent MPG is definitely a net plus for the car, even if I still want a button that turns on a gas-guzzling sport mode map or whatever it takes to make it feel perkier when you're not banging on it.

>>17821271
>sports car
>mpg gage
>no oil pressure gage

the absolute state of FRS fags!

>>17821292
Why does the FA20 trigger your ass so hard? It's proven to be a reliable/light engine although not the most powerful with ALOT of aftermarket, sperg less

>>17821298
I don't think very many cars have an oil pressure gauge today.

>>17821279
>Having the weight down lower really is a noticeable benefit imo, but not everybody notices or cares.

You could just make a an inline engine designed to be mounted horizontally.

>>17821323
But for whatever reason people don't do that very often. And for the Subaru AWD design having a reasonably short engine is important.

>>17821311
especially sad for "sport" cars

>>17821267
No, its an observation dumb ass

>>17821339
Then invent a VR4 engine.

>>17821360
That'd be cool. Add a dry sump and you could get the CoG even lower. I've heard of 120deg or other wide-angle V6s being used like this in racing applications.

>>17821323
Then people would complain it's too far forward, yet they hate the boxer despite it being short.

>>17821298
It's not a 2GR or Ford it doesn't have oil pressure issues.

>>17821435
I think time attack guys running HARD with aero parts, suspension tuning, pose mods, and sticky tires have had some oil starvation issues under heavy cornering but that's most engines, and dry sumps exist for them.

>>17821446
Is it really even a "sports car?" I don't feel like I'm driving a sports car when I'm in it. I feel like I'm in an inexpensive road car that's plays racecar and that wouldn't be hard to turn in to a track toy.

>>17804550
Put the Camry v6 in it

>>17821479
>roadcar that plays racecar
So, a sportscar?

>>17821486
then it would be pigfat just like any other camry

>>17821505
the camry engine doesn't weigh over 500 pounds more than the fa20

>>17804550
>Increase price
>add turbo
That's literally it

>>17821505
You retards call anything pigfat even cars that are the same weight as other cars in the class you'll call pigfat compared to every other car in the same class. Thats how fucking stupid you are

>>17814747
I agree, desu BRZ does very well when I see them on track days Despite low power. Puts civic to shame.

>>17821634
The Camry engine actually weighs less than the FA20

>>17821851
wow funny, then the notion of "pigfat" is another reatarded /o/ meme

>>17821861
Not when it actually applies, the problem is pigfat gets thrown around too much by busriding benchracers, like the no cars in this thread defending the shitty FA20

>>17821828
a civic is faster

I've seen it mentioned a bit already, but is there any reason as to why Toyota can't just put in one of their own engines into the car?? I'd much rather have an actual Toyota 86 with a proper inline 4-cylinder than Subaru's boxer engine shit. Mainly for wrenching purposes since most everyone seems to say that it's a nightmare to work on the 4U-GSE/FA20.

Is it the same reason that Subaru doesn't make the BRZ awd?? Is there a contract between the two that doesn't allow for each company to do anything with the powertrain???

>>17814747
Aren't they selling them faster than they can build them?

>>17821947
Whats so bad about wrenching on a nicer besides sparkplugs, a very infrequent item? And if you don't use a boxer the hood has to be raised, or you can't sell it legally. Also an AWD brz would require a new transmission and moving the whole package forward.

>>17821927
There is a contract which stated that Subaru was responsible for the drivetrain/power train, and Toyota was responsible for everything else, Toyota has already said they were disappointed that Subaru hasn't added more power, and if it was up to them they would have

>>17821947
There's nowhere to run the transmission and half shafts to make the BRZ AWD without it being ridiculous and needlessly eating in to Subaru's AWD market. Could you get a non-boxer in there when the whole thing is designed around fitting one? Probably. But it'd be similar to abandoning the point of the car and the collaboration.

Might as well almost do something entirely new at that point.

>>17821977
Subaru are unwilling to make amother engine assembly line for a gt86 specific turbo fa20 is my guess. The one used in the WRX won't fit with the turbo on the bottom or something like that. Go higher and you make an illegal car.

>>17821977
source?

>>17821994
Is there room to bore and/or stroke an FA20? If they did that, fixed the mapping (hint: sport vs. economy mode button), maybe even bumped up the rev limit a bit, they could wind up with a nice bench racing stat increase for the next model year as well as a car that's objectively more satisfying grunt-wise.

>>17822005
theres room in the FA20 for a turbo like they have on the WRX

If the WRX can make 270hp on 13psi then the FA20 in the brz can too

>>17822007
But the turbo fa20 they have won't fit as I have stated. Also it's a different block and different internals entirely.

>>17822007
I wouldn't say no to a turbo. But if they're thinking of branding it more along the lines of the older N/A generation of cheap Jap sporty cars (which were great, if you were alive to drive them at the time) then that seems like a good option to consider to keep the model line unique.

Just think: slightly bigger engine, smooth N/A torque delivery, option to pay for a supercharger package or just a nice linear low-pressure turbo setup to make it sink you in the seat?

>>17821998
I was wrong, it was Subaru NA's boss
http://jalopnik.com/damn-even-subarus-american-boss-thinks-the-brz-needs-mo-1718085483

>>17822021
Yea it fucking will

Are you the retard who thinks "its too wide to turbo"?

>>17821977
Not exactly true. There's a lot of subaru parts in the car besides the drivetrain, not to mention the car is built in a Subaru factory. Odds are the car wouldn't even exist beyond the concept form if Subaru hadn't stepped in.

Its also worth noting that in the original project design, Subaru wanted to use a turbo. Toyota fought for using a NA Boxer design, with direct injection for emissions purposes.

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>>17822035
Turbo is on the bottom of the engine, it makes the block too large to fit production-wise, legally. Euro pedestrian crash regs have basically fucked a lot with passable hood clearances.

Best bet might be to design a low-profile supercharger like the edelbrock.

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This can can only be fixed when toyota adds another sports car that sits below it in power and price, they need the sfr to be out with 11-lb-torque and then it would make sense to raise the 86's power and price a bit. Id say a supercharger is ideal since we are only going for say 40-50 extra lb/torque. A turbo would be fine too but would just make it undeniably a 2017 240sx.

>>17822005

There's 2.2 and 2.3 stroker FA's out there. You get about 10 more hp at the wheels. Its not worth it.

>>17822104
Is that the whole story or just peak HP? In the EJ series there was a real difference in N/A power delivery when going up a bit in displacement.

But that's why I say also get rid of the torque dip and make it even more rev-happy.

>>17822120
Its possible, its just prohibitively expensive at the moment. You're looking at 5-6 grand. Most people just drop that on an edelbrock or jackson SC and make 250-280 to the wheels easy.

There hasn't been a lot of aftermarket development on the engine, so there has been hope that eventually there'd be some nice N/A gains.

A different header fixes the torque dip usually, it also tanks the gas mileage.

>>17822166
I've actually been thinking about looking at headers. When I bought mine it had a fancy catback on it and it really didn't do anything but be loud and make toque delivery from idle to about 1k even more like a rubber band. But in retrospect that extra +7 torks or whatever it was up near the rev limit did actually feel more free right where the car finally feels "right."

Anyway, whatever the situation is, if they don't put more engine in this thing soon then they are wasting a tremendous sales and car opportunity. It's a great starting point of a car and popular response makes its obvious what people want. I never thought about getting one except that I found a used one in exemplary shape and it was close enough to my price range, and now I'm already thinking of spending extra money on my new money pit. Can't be too hard to widen the market a bit.

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>>17822195

Mine is my daily, but it pulls track duty when I can. Its all stock atm, hoping to take the winter and save up for some new "upgrades" for track season next year.

>>17822242
I like the look of that 88HP :3

Car already has enough low-end punch for what it is, but riding that right up to the top is what makes it shine.

>>17822278
Oh yeah.

At the track I go to, a lot of the seasoned track rats have started showing up in 86'es of varying tune and model, its digging into the miata marketshare quite a bit here.

Its just a blast to drive on the track.

>>17822035
The existing fa20 turbo used in the WRX will not fit. Period. For those two reasons.

>>17822338
What header is it? The worst part about this thing is I can never figure out if I just trade it in for something else after a while or stick with it and try to tinker out the faults.

>>17822400
Its an FT86speedfactory cat'ed header. You can go with a cheaper option depending on your emissions too.

put its chunky ass on a diet

Strip down rear seats, they are too small for a adult human, make them lighter and smaller, just needs to be big enough for a 10 year old or baby seat.

Remove any weight from infotainment stuff, that really doesn't weigh all that much though.

See what body panels can be replaced with carbon fibre

See what sound deadening can be removed.

You might be able to drop it down by 150lbs or so.

>>17822491
Is it loud? One thing I didn't like about the catback was how it made me feel like a ricer asshole for winding up the engine when obviously you're supposed to do that.

>>17809803
>The FA20D will become unreliable when boosted to over 425hp

people are windowing blocks with only 300whp.

>>17822522
Mate if they offered it at 250WHP it would be an overnight event. If you're trying to boost 2.0L to 300WHP you're in shits and giggles tuner territory.

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>>17822507
Lightweight wheels/tires
Lightweight battery
Spare tire/jack delete
Aftermarket exhaust

Should easily get you under 2700lbs

>>17822550
And more weight off the front if it can be done. The front is planted as fuck but it can be like shoving a whale around at lower speeds. Stuff weight in the back and all of a sudden it's like a madman.

I just want muh itbs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPMs2zljKmg

>>17822550
i was looking for closer to 2500lbs, yeah i know that is a big ask, but that would make it undeniably a fantastic car.

>>17822603
meh My old EJ22 with a 12.5lb flywheel and the valves lashed down was more angry and responsive out of gear. Maybe in gear is a different story for that.

>>17822640
Isn't it great when you hit about 6-6.5kRPM and it almost feels like it becoming weightless? Such potential.

>>17822640

The stock front seats alone are 83lbs. Rear seatback and bases are another 20 or so. Emptying trunk is another 36. A BBK is another 20 lighter. Getting a single-exit cat-back is another 30lbs.

So if you go with lighter aftermarket seats, exhaust and headers, battery, rear seat delete, you're knocking on 2500lbs without removing any of the plastic or interior. Haven't even touched infotainment.

>>17822665
I'm not kidding btw. About half of my passengers expressed a squeal of delight and glee when I had some reason or other to get it up to 6k+

It's not necessary for rolling around town, but what if you could do that at 4k or even 3k?

>>17822603
https://youtu.be/RKFTYe0Ony8?t=40m7s
at 40:07
want