White House opens review Obama mandated Fuel Economy Standards

We know for a fact Trump neither read nor would understand what any of that shit means.

>>17803290
lol fuck drumpf, am i right?

>>17803290
The reason the various departments exist is the president and congress don't have to do everything

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>4 posts in
>braindead republicans already triggered

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>>17803361
>First post
>Angry libtard who can't accept defeat
I didn't vote for the faggot but let it fucking go already.

I for one welcome back our gas guzzling overlords.

tired of every single car being a 4 cylinder cuckbox that needs to make the car look angry to match the driver's emasculated feeling of driving it

>>17804522
I would prefer they demand cars be made extremely lightweight and unsafe to crash but with active crash prevention. Gas costs money after all.

However, the current rules are causing all the shitty useless crossovers, so we might see some significant improvements in what cars can do anyway.

>>17803883
>republicans throw a massive tantrum during 8 years of Obama
>but let it fucking go already.
Nah. fuck trump and enablers like you

>>17804564
They would have to outlaw crossovers at this point. Light cars will never be a thing anymore. Look at the miata and brz, they're "light" but only by today standards also they're not cheap.

>>17804522
The design of the car won't change. You'll still see 4 cylinder econobox and the shape of the car won't change. This only affects gas mileage regulations

>>17804566
>Enabler
Please fuck off to /pol/ and stop larping here.

>>17803290
Neither do 90% of citizens. We shouldn't be ruled by laws we don't understand.

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>shitbarge SUVs already get a pass with 15 fucking MPG
>shitbarge trucks literally get cheated to false MPG numbers by having flexfuel capability
>"neeeeeeehhh this is still too harsh on poor Detroit, the good boys deserve to burn as much fuel as they want"
Drive 8 MPG crapbuckets if you want, but don't come whining about how the rest of the world doesn't buy your garbage.

>>17804585
What I hope is they fix the epa mpg tests so that they're more realistic towards the average driver. The current epa test has an average speed of 48mph when the average highway speed can be 70mph+

>>17804570
The Miata is as light as the original, what are you smoking?

>>17804742
The miata na is 2100lbs

The new miata is 2330-2380

>>17804753
>comparing the ultra spartan nippon NA with the Amerilard ND filled with luxuries

>>17803240
>>17804522
>>17804564
>>17804570
>>17804585
>>17804669
>>17804680
>>17804734
>>17804742
Why not remove the gas mileage regulations, reduce taxation on cars and tax fuel more?
That would be kind of more effective and efficient.

Also make the tests different:
>EPA gets randomly selected sample car
>EPA tests fuel consumtion from 10 mph up to 90 mph in 5 mph incements
>on purpose build circular wind shielded road
>EPA plots a graph and puts that on a sticker
You can´t realy cheat on that.

>>17804566
There wasn't literally street violence and Russian conspiracy for months after bongo.

>>17804786
That's piss easy to cheap on
Mitsubishi cheated by over inflating their tires. VW cheated through fancy software that could detect an EPA test through steering angle input and run a special profile

>>17804794
>by over inflating their tires
The EPA gets the car and performs the tests itself.
Things like that would have to be checked anyway.
>fancy software that could detect an EPA test through steering angle input
That could be a problem, but since that is done on a actual road this software can´t do much.
Also the VW software cheated on emissions, not fuel consumptio by injecting less adblue.

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Post YFW trump abolishes all regulation on cars and brings about a new golden age for cars

>>17804814
Thing is your idea isn't an actual road, it's a super easy to predict indoor loop

VW never used Adblue in those cheating models
Also,
>cheated on emissions by injecting less Adblue

>>17804818
Golden age for cheap garbage ripoffs maybe. Enjoy your cars costing the same as right now but having crash ratings, emissions and fuel economy from the 80s.

The regulations are a waste anyway. Demand for high mpg cars will do all the work without any regs

>>17804793
Nope, just "not my president" demonstrations and "muh Obama birth certificate", you both sides are the same.
>tax fuel more
We don't wana become Europe my man.

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>>17804818
We're already in a golden age of cars. A fucking V6 Camaro with some race bits can be had for just over $30k and is an absolute track monster that punches way above its class
Ford makes the GT350 with a fancy, and big, flat plane crank V8 that revs to 8250rpm and sounds like a banshee. They could have just gone memeboost, but they didn't
FCA make the last true muscle car. A land barge that makes close to 800bhp with a factory warranty and costs well under $100k

Everyone here is just too poor to afford them

>>17804820
The software injected less adblue when it detected that it was not beeing tested to increase refilling intervall distance.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abgasskandal#Manipulationen_bei_Dieselfahrzeugen
The function was called "Untere Kilometerschwelle für Deaktivierung der Akustikfunktion"

>>17804839
They should have never bothered, everyone disables adblue anyway because it's a broken piece of shit

>>17804825
abolishing crash safety and emissions regulations or at least severely curyailing them would bring back 90's shitboxes with 50mpg, and allow the rotary to come back in full force. Cars like the mr2 aw11 could be bought again.

>>17804846
No they wouldn't. People who can afford cars don't want those things

>>17804843
They did bother since some weird goverment regulation in the united states requires some weird maintainance interval length that wasn´t coverable without changing parts of the car otherwise.

Officialy they retrofit a "flow homogeniser" in the air intake (snakeoil to make people belive they actualy changed something) and deactivate the "Untere Kilometerschwelle für Deaktivierung der Akustikfunktion" leading to a slight increase in ad blue consumption.

>>17804825
Didn't some honda civics and toyota corollas from the 80s and 90s have 40-50MPG? Just get rid of these superfluous crash and rollover requirements and we can have the ultra featherlight cars that save lots of gas. Modern engines do a pretty good job at saving gas despite the heavy crash protections they have to lug around. Imagine the efficiency of a modern engine with a light body.

MPG regulations for small cars are a joke anyways when most people are buying trucks and SUVs which are more or less exempt from those MPG restrictions

>>17804866
Lol no. Only tin can death traps with lawn mower engines like the Gero Metro could get like 40mpg if you drove like a grandma
Now days you can buy a light weight Miata that also gets 40mpg while making plenty of power and torque throughout the power band, is faster than an S2000 around a track, has much lower emissions, and doesn't even use an over drive (6th gear is 1:1)

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>>17804786
Basicly it should look like this:

>>17804866
>Didn't some honda civics and toyota corollas from the 80s and 90s have 40-50MPG?
My simmilary siezed 2000s hatch gets 80mpg in real life on a tank without any hybrid/tarbo/direct injection or other shit.

It is just:
small
light
and has a compression ratio of 10,5:1

>>17804866
Maybe the hybrid Insight from 1999 could get 50mpg on a bad day, but that's an outlier

>>17804851
That's not true at all. People love low belt lines because they're comfortable and I hear normies complain about car styling looking like shit these days because !manufacturers are forced to have super high belt lines and thus all cars look the same

>>17804866
Honda ef hatches supposedly got 55mpg city

>>17804914
>muh anecdotes
Normies also want safety, and will willingly take high beltlines for a safer car

>>17804903
>first gen insight
>only 50 mpg
They average around 80 mpg in real life:
https://www.spritmonitor.de/de/uebersicht/18-Honda/1111-Insight.html?vehicletype=1&constyear_e=2006&powerunit=2

Can we get a twin turbo v6 sti now?

Pruitt is the most based cabinet member. He's btfo obongo's faggot epa facism everyday.

>>17804925
>on a bad day
Dead battery and CVT will still get 50mpg

>>17804923
Then those ppl will stick to crossovers, meanwhile a slackening of regulations makes it far easier to make cheap lightweight sports cars like the miata and mr2.

>>17804933
>CVT
Even they get 60 mpg on average
>dead battery
That is not a bad day, that is a damaged car.

>>17804937
And no one will buy them because people who want them can barely afford a $3k car

>>17804940
It would be a pretty bad day for the owner

>>17804922
Now imagine sticking a modern Honda civic engine into a modernized body as light as the EF and EH hatches. The modern civic gets 32 city, 42 highway and the body is 3000lb. What would those figures be if the body was only 2300lb or lighter? It would rival or even surpass the Prius in terms of MPG

>>17804944
Not realy, most of the time just one or two cells dried out.
You can refill/replace these cells and the battery will work again.

Also Lithium conversion...

>>17804948
Not really, aerodynamics play a key as well. Those older engine could run leaner and put out more emissions while doing so

>>17804950
Lithium conversion are expensive

>>17804958
im talking about the new civic engines. They have low emissions AND they have decent MPG

my argument is that they should not force a one size fits all approach. this is why you dont see so many V8 cars anymore, and why Ford low-key wants to replace the V8 Mustang with either an electric version or a ecoboost 4banger.

fuel prices skyrocketed in the mid-late 00's into the early 10's, so people wanted fuel efficiency. but then Uncle sam stepped in and made it a mandate. 50mpg city by 2025.

Instead of leaving it to demand like it should be.

what they SHOULD do, is keep the fuel efficiency standards, but specifically create a class of car that is considered "fuel efficiency vehicle" and apply the standards ONLY to those so-classified vehicles.

AKA stop penalizing a carmaker if they want to make a V8, as long as

A. they have an alternative fuel efficient option,

and

B. that fuel efficient option falls within the govt's efficiency standards

>>17804680
>but don't come whining about how the rest of the world doesn't buy your garbage.
why do i care about the rest of the world?

>>17804948
>reach or surpass Prius
>prius gets an average of 5,16 L/100km or 47mpg
https://www.spritmonitor.de/de/uebersicht/49-Toyota/439-Prius.html?vehicletype=1&powerunit=2

That isn´t even hard, lots of microhatches do that:

https://www.spritmonitor.de/de/uebersicht/49-Toyota/773-Aygo.html?vehicletype=1&gearing=1&powerunit=2

https://www.spritmonitor.de/de/uebersicht/36-Peugeot/858-107.html?vehicletype=1&gearing=1&powerunit=2

https://www.spritmonitor.de/de/uebersicht/12-Citroen/680-C1.html?vehicletype=1&gearing=1&powerunit=2

>>17804958
>aerodynamics
That is what makes the first gen insight so efficient, it has a cW of only 0.25 and a verry small frontal area.

>leaner burn makes it more efficient
That is true, but it is more about where it is efficient, not about peak efficiency.

>>17804980
Basicly like japanese kei-cars, just with fuel efficiency as only regulation?

>>17805003
im not sure how kei cars as a class work. care to enlighten me?

>>17805009
They are tax reduced and don´t have to fit certain regulations when they fall in that class.
To do so they have to be small, 600 cm3 and maximum 68 hp.

>>17804942
Autism isn't a competition you know
>>17804948
I'm wet just thinking about that

>>17804948
>EF or EH hatch
The CRX is even more aerodynamic than EF or FH

I´d like to see a ED9 with a more modern engine like the 1,0L ecoboost or a high compression low duration VVT/L naturaly aspirated Inline 3

>>17804522
Same. Who gives a fuck about fuel consumption?

Give as many fucks about emissions as you want (except for carbon dioxide, nobody cares about that shit, if it scares you plant a fucking tree) but let me burn my gas in peace.

>>17804834
Adjust the prices of old 80s and 90s 100hp japanese sportsboxes for inflation. We could never afford the good cars.

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>good infidel, don't bother with fuel efficiency standards and buy more oil

>>17804851
They can.

But now they're buying motorcycles.

>hey, if it's a car, it has to be safe
>because stacy wants to buy the sporty one and still be safe
>but if it's a bike wha hey
>enjoy going from 0 to 60 in 2.8s while wearing nothing but a helmet and boxers

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>hire on a guy that has a degree in PoliSci and communication as the head of the EPA
>he just wants it to be one big free for all

it's cool, we don't need clean air anyways

>>17805081
>mfw early 80s
>mfw 2-smoke
>mfw drum brakes
>mfw cable operated

Bikes are also pretty efficient.

>>17805018
huh. I guess?

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>>17803883
>anybody who doesn't like my meme candidate is a liberal

>>17805093
>bikes are efficient

Not sportbikes, that's for sure.

>600cc
>120HP
>35mpg

>>17804980
I also want this with safety. And make "unsafe" cars limited to one passenger, with all other space being legally non-human cargo only. This law would also reach back so unsafe cars would need seat deletes to stay street legal, retroactively making them faster. Also having interior cargo racks with tie downs and compartments and shit would be baller

Every sportscar a mclaren F1 by 2025.

>>17805249
>200hp/L
That is not "sports", that is racing...

>>17805077
you do realize, dont you, that most US oil is domestic?

In 2016 only 25% of US oil was imported.

of our imported oil, the majority, (40%) was from Canada. Saudi Arabia is only 11%.

they account for a minuscule amount of our imported oil

>>17805262
what if they did that thing the Dodge Demon does, where it's only 1 seat, but you can order the extra seating separately?

because limiting cars to 1 passenger is dumb

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>>17805263
No, it's a $12,000 commuter bike for college students.

If you're poor you can always get a 90HP three cyllinder. Theyr'e like 8 grand.

>>17805265
Not much longer if all your shit gets 12 mpg again.

>>17805285
Because if you're going to drive a deadly metal box you shouldn't be allowed to talk people into it when normies are dumb and assume cars are safe because they are boxes. And if you drive kids around in something like an AE86, fuck you.

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>>17804522

>Every new car from now on will be an SUV

THIS JUST IN: RETARD TRUMP IS FUCKING STUPID AS SHIT


JUST LIKE THE REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED FOR HIM

WIN OR LOSE, A RETARD IS A RETARD

>>17805316
fracking, my friend. There's a reason our oil is so cheap since last summer. the US, the Saudis, and Iran got into an oil war, putting out an oversupply trying to make the other guy go bust.

The US won that trade, because Fracking is an extremely cheap operation to set up and take down, whereas traditional oil operations are costly endeavors that would go bust under the strain of an oversupply.

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>>17805215
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kei_car

>>17804786
Remove all gas milage restrictions and people will buy the biggest, most powerful car with the most dumb electronics in it they can because they "might need it" or want to "one up" the people they interact with. People are very short sighted and bad at math-the cost of an inefficient car won't hit them until they have to fill it up, and by then they've obliged themselves to use it.

Therefore, in the interest of reducing pollution, it would be ideal to encourage the production of smaller, more efficient cars and price them much lower than larger ones, because that's all you need most of the time. Motorcycles would probably be better for that goal because they also result in more death which is better for the natural environment, but I don't hate people that much.

>>17805551
>>17805582
How about smaller parking spaces for small vehicles and a tax/regulation exemption for sub 1000kg cars?

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>>17805316
>guys oh fuck we've got 12 mpg cars again
>let's not expand our fracking

>>17805090
>Implying the EPA isn't comprised of hundreds of employees with scientific or health backgrounds

The "head" of the EPA is just a glorified liaison between the white house and just tries to promote the president's policies, not actually doing the ground work and crafting it.

>>17805623
Until the deposits dry out and the costs exceed the return and you either start importing foreign shit again or prices rise until no one buys 12 mpg shitbarges anymore.

>>17805582
Motorcycles produce a shitload of smog compared to cars though

You don't get to 200hp/l at 14,500 RPM without farting out a few hydrocarbons

Maybe an ultra efficient scoot like a future NC700 would be better, but most bikes people actually want and actually ride (it's all cheap = why not get the good one?) are very polluting.

>>17805678
Motorcycles are worse than cars with four occupants but better than cars with one occupant.

>>17805582
fuel efficiency and emissions are two different things.

>>17803240
>fleet vehicle efficiency needs to be some arbitrarily high figure like 50mpg
>companies buying shitty two seat electric vehicles that don't even get used just because of government regulation
>complete waste of money
>manufacturers cheating on emissions tests
>guidelines established are totally unrealistic and would cripple industry if actually enforced

ICEs aren't even close to being replaceable, batteries aren't high enough energy density to make electric vehicles viable to the average person.