Besides the GT86 being slow, what else is bad about it?

>>17776702
boxer engine. that is all. if it had even the v6 camry/aurion engine it would've been awesome.

Does it not use prius tires as well?

>>17776711
prius tires are just for the easy to drift meme.

>>17776702
Boxer 4, yet has no torque. Who doesn't turbo their cars in this day and age? Also is very ugly.

>>17776702
The owner community is full of fags in denial

>>17776740
I think the BRZ community is worse.

>>17776723
much better looking than literally any hatchback

>>17776702
It's bland as shit while also being offensively ugly.

>>17776702
it's not cheap enough yet for all the poor highschool bus riders on /o/.
in 10 years they'll be all over it.

>>17776757
This

>>17776711
In what alternate reality does a Prius come with summer tires?

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>>17776702

>Same price as a WRX
>Objectively inferior in every measurable way

Really boggles the ol' noggle

>>17776709
Apart from high-maintenance-interval items, that's really not an issue. Subaru gaskets haven't been an issue since the early 2.5L EJ series.
>>17776723
I'm confused, /o/ worships the s2000 yet it has less torque through most of its powerband than the BRZ twins do, but hates the BRZ for a bad torque curve/small torque figure?

>>17776774

S2000 is a car from 2000

FR-S is a car from 2012

People were expecting improvements in a car 12 years newer.

>>17776777
The s2000 also cost like 50000 dollars in today's money. And didn't have backseats or a roof. Granted, it did have nicer suspension geometry.

>>17776769
Except the WRX is an understeering pig

>>17776777
The S2000 competed with the Boxster and Z3/4, it cost nearly twice as much as the BRZ

>>17776774
If I wanted a high maintenance, underpowered, overweight, slow rwd coupe, I'd get an RX8. They're both torqueless pieces of shit.

>>17776787
I don't think you quite understand how unreliable and maintenance heavy RX8s were

>>17776702
For a lightweight, 2.0 4 cylinder car the fuel economy is terrible. Worst part is it needs premium fuel, what a joke.

>>17776801
>FRS makes 100hp/L
>waah it's too thirsty!
>ND Miata barely makes 77hp/L
>wow what an under powered piece of shit!

I fucking hate no cars

>>17776750
Maybe, but for a coupé it's not very pretty.

>>17776702
What hurts it the most is the price. Its a bit pricy compared to an older car with either the same specs or better. Hell you can get a c5 corvette for 10k. Once it hits the 10k mark, people will be all over it

>>17776809
>used cars are cheaper than new cars
Wow

>>17776801
You need to burn more fuel to make more power, and there's no replacement for displacement

For example, 600cc motorcycle engines rev nearly three times as high as engines three times the size to make slightly less horsepower and a half the torque. So a 600cc i4 motor making 120hp/60lbft (at 14k RPM) gets 35-40mpg, and a 1.8l corolla makes 130hp/100lbft at like 5k RPM.

For a 2.0 4cyl to make serious power it's going to burn serious fuel, rev higher to reach peak power, or do both.

>>17776808
there hasn't been an attractive looking coupe in a decade

>>17776807
My 3.8 litre V6 17 year old landbarge sedan uses barely any more fuel than an 86, and my cars runs on standard unleaded. (my car is VT commodore)

>>17776815
>nearly double the displacement
I wonder why...

>>17776812
but the transmission and motor in a 1.8l corolla weighs as much as an entire motorcycle

>>17776815
blame ecology

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>>17776702
Slow
Premium Fool
Expensive
Weird
Cramped Seating
Embarrassing
Hard Suspension
Hard to drive
Expensive for what it is
Basic
Won't hold value at all

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/toyota/toyota-gt86-review/

Everyone who falls for this sucker is eternally retarded

>>17776885
Post your bus

>>17776757
this.
Its the new 200sx/silvia/ae86 replacement

I love the gt86 unironically and I think its one of the best sports cars that is not a convertable ever made.

>>17776787
What's high maintenance about it?

>>17776702
I find that the interior really sucks, its all simple plasticy shit. The sound system sucks and the speakers will resonate if you turn up the radio a little louder than normal which pretty much means anything with any sort of bass will just get drowned out in shit.

Next I really hate the fact that they put this thing on these dinky prius tires like wtf they could have put normal tires like on other sedans but NO they fucking didn't.

Also the price isn't that great, this thing really shouldn't be 26k, should be like 24. So i you're interested in buying one of these, always buy used because the price is ass

OP, the car is a manlet mobile. how anyone can be comfortable in that is beyond me if you are taller than 5'6

>>17776924
Oh yea one last thing, if you're over 6'2'' you'll probably hate this car. Head room and leg room are strained in this car.

>>17776885
>Won't hold value at all
No car holds value you fucking retard

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>>17776761

>>17776924
The economy tires make sense for a car that can be used daily. The mistake is not offering or advertising a factory wheel/tire package with wider wheels that fit the arches better and sticky tires.

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>>17776928
Obviously you don't own anything worth a shit. Plenty of cars hold their resale values very well. But of course you probably considered the GT86 so no point responding to a subhuman

>>17776928
>No car holds value you fucking retard

Really joggin the noggin

>>17776937
>The economy tires make sense for a car that can be used daily.
No it doesn't make sense. I don't want to pay for slicks for my car, hell many other sporty cars like this come with slicks, like the Civic Si comes with slicks, the WRX comes with slicks, etc. For a car that touts itself as super agile in the turns the LAST thing you want is a lack of traction

>>17776940
No you are fucking retarded, all cars depreciate the moment you drive them off the lot.

>>17776945
>my car magically gains value the more I drive it.

>>17776937
No it doesn't make sense at all. It hurts performance in every way. Which means hurting handling in emergency situations like panic stops or swerves. They did it so this underpowered POS can oversteer some.

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>>17776947
Really made me think

>>17776953
>my ultra rare super car is an exception to the rule but I don't want to be reasonable in this so I'll project that since the Ford fucking GT does it, that means EVERY car must do it like a GT86 or a civic or any other car of the sort

>>17776946
>>17776950
In this age of benchracing I suppose it might not make sense. I run BFGoodrich Radial T/A tires. Are they the most grippy? Fuck no. But since they're not showing cords, they're still safe to drive and can be made to squeal on twisty roads while not having to go fast enough to ensure my death, only increase my chances of it. I'm not a professional racing driver running at 10/10ths competing for prize money and continued sponsorship, so I don't mind having a slightly suboptimal setup for performance when it means I find it more fun. What tires do you guys run? Sorry to get off topic.

>>17776963
Its not even about "professional driving" the compound of summer slicks is much different from shitty all seasons and its very very noticeable.

>since they're not showing cords they're fine
don't go by this, actually measure how much tread you have left because thats not a good indicator, cords showing is WAY too late.

The tires I have on my WRX are Michellin pilot sports and they're amazing compared to the all seasons I tried to do 2 years ago.

>>17776937
>>17776924
Primacy HPs aren't economy tires, I have them on my Porsche

>>17776936
>Outside the US
It's fucking nothing

>>17776971
Lmao I've got years before I even hit the wear indicators with these bricks of tires, was just trying to say any decent brand tire that isn't fucked will be safe.

I just bought one new. It's faster than anything else I've driven but I didn't prioritize speed. I wanted a smaller, nimble, rwd, good handling, fun to drive car that I think looks good. Besides the miata I can't think of any other car that has what I was looking for new.

>>17776946
Go back to your containment thread. You are out of your league. Holding resale value better than other cars != appreciate in value.

>>17777006
>wow my shit sucks slightly less than other cars
>wow my car depreciated only 13% instead of 15% last year this is so amazing I'm going to say this is the general rule of thumb for a "good" car what ever that means, doesn't matter when I can just say "nah you're out of your league" as I post extraneous examples like a ford fucking GT

>>17777006
So what cars do hold value better than others?Certainly not any AMG. Porsches on the other hand do

And for some reason Ridgelines. Go compare a Ridgeline to a similar Pilot and it'll be twice as expensive

>>17776702

Brz's get shit on alot, think their pretty decent cars wouldnt buy one though I think the ND i got was the better choice.

Toyota is silly, I have no idea why they let subaru put unboosted boxer engine. They should have found a way to put in a camry engine in it and put an agressive tune. It would have made the car way better

>>17777312
Tell me what you think is wrong with the boxer layout?

>>17777312
THIS
the Toyobaru twins should have came with the 2GR, but Subaru execs are as big of fags as WRX owners as wouldn't dare put anything interesting in it that would overshadow the WRX
Such a shame

>>17777323
He didn't mean the layout itself, just the choice of engine, if it was an H6 or a H4 turbo this would have been a non-issue

It was a hail mary for Scion
Toyota didn't want to let Scion die and partnered with Subaru to attempt to salvage it.
The car is gimped purely by existing because of the retarded choices made in almost every area

>>17777332
Then he should have said FA20, although I fail to see what's wrong with a 200hp N/A engine in a little sports car.

>Loses in every way to a poorfag's $4000 Z28 that's 17 fucking years old
You tell me

>>17777419
>Hail Mary for Scion
Yes and no. Akio Toyoda decided Toyota must have a sports car, and so partnered with Subaru because (A) Toyota owns a portion of Subaru, and (B) they wanted a boxer engine that would sit low in the engine bay, and would also be a callback to the Sports 800.

In the US, it was rebadged as a Scion to inject some new life into that brand, but that has nothing to do with its development.

You guys realize that the 86 engine is very easy to mod right? Heck, a simple remap is guaranteed to fix the torque dip and yield an easy 10 to 15% improvement across the bands.

>>17777589
So does a new miata but /o/ loves the miata.

>>17777686
i respect that mazda still uses the same formula with their niche cars. miata, small lightweight rwd, rx car... wankel but i could never get over the rear meme doors. just looked like a fucking saturn ion to me

>>17776702
>muh spiritual successor to AE86
>it's trash

what did toyota mean by this???

>>17778542
>exactly in the spirit of the ae86
>costs the same, inflation adjusted
>runs right with the Miata, the closest thing it has to a market competitor
>it's "shit"
what did anon mean by this???

>>17776769
Okay I'll bite since I test drove them both before getting a BRZ

>Better handling
>Higher revving/better sound
>More reliable (n/a)
>Better driving position/feel by far
>Better interior in limited trim
>Doesn't look like a typical corrola tier car

I don't give a shit about 4 doors and I'm in a climate where AWD isn't needed. I put good wheels and tires on the BRZ and love it (the Prius tires meme is real). Only thing I miss out of the WRX would be tarbo, but DESU I'm really enjoying revving out the BRZ. I thought I would for sure slap a turbo on eventually but now I'm thinking about keeping it NA and driving it like an s2000 or Integra R.

>>17776925
I'm 6'1 and have plenty of headroom m8. Do you drive in tractor position like a fag?

>>17776774
>I'm confused, /o/ worships the s2000 yet it has less torque through most of its powerband than the BRZ twins do, but hates the BRZ for a bad torque curve/small torque figure?
The s2000 had double-wishbone front suspension because it didn't have a fucking boxer engine, unlike the "good-handling" BRZ.

>>17779444
Don't some Porsches use Mcstrut?

>>17779450
Yes, because Porsche has built itself on making sports cars that are also practical in daily use, and double wishbone suspension would eat into the trunk space at the front of the vehicle.

This is why you put the engine in the front and you don't using a fucking boxer engine.

>>17776793
I know the RX8, much more than emissions regulations, killed off the rotary. The RX8 was legendarily bad, it makes the Yugo look like a Toyota.

>>17779472
Sooooo what makes an 86 not a sportscar that's practical? You make mcstruts out like it's the worst thing in the world in your earlier post too, really the 86's biggest front suspension problem is the positive camber stock.

the area between the rear of the door and the rear wheels is too big, makes it look bloated, all because it is a cuck-tier 2+2 coupe

>>17779439
>>Higher revving/better sound
Its the same engine

>>17779439
so literally nothing but your uninformed opinion

>>17779487
>Sooooo what makes an 86 not a sportscar that's practical?
It's a practical car that isn't sporty enough to be a sports car.

It isn't faster than a typical car in a straight line, and its cornering ability isn't strong enough to make up for that like in other cars such as the Miata. A car that can't do either of those well isn't a sports car.

What the GT86 actually is, is an econobox that has the looks of a sports car. The former actually makes it similar to the AE86, but the latter is essentially false advertisement.

Now, the key difference between the GT86 and the AE86 comes down to potential. The AE86 had a lot of potential to be a good cornering vehicle in its day because of its good chassis for its price and large aftermarket support. The GT86 doesn't have that kind of aftermarket support, and it never will because it doesn't get used in racing events like the AE86 did.

The engine choice is what truly gimps the car. You cannot put truly good suspension in the front of that vehicle as long as it has that boxer engine. You will have to swap the engine. If you're going to swap the engine and swap the front suspension with something completely different to bring out the car's potential, you may as well have just started with a more expensive vehicle in the first place.

>You make mcstruts out like it's the worst thing in the world in your earlier post too,
The front suspension is less important in rear-engine cars than in front-engine cars. Front-engine cars have more weight upfront, which means better suspension upfront makes a bigger difference.

>>17779552
>It's a practical car that isn't sporty enough to be a sports car.
Not him but based on what?

>its an econobox
based on nothing but your uninformed opinion. It isn't advertised or designed as any kind of economical MPG friendly vehicle

>The AE86 had a lot of potential to be a good cornering vehicle in its day because of its good chassis for its price and large aftermarket support.
So does the GT86, its been around for more than 5 years and the aftermarket support is as big as any other sporty-er car of the type.

>you can't have any kind of suspension
sure you can, multilink or wishbone doesn't magically make the car good and it already has a good suspension that gives it great agility.

>theres a lot more weight in the front

the weight distribution of the BRZ/86 is 53/47 its really not that big of a deal.

>>17779552
it is a v good sports car. Only bad thing about GT86 is the looks don't match the performance, specifically the enigne. They need to tone down the sports look a bit. Little more mature

>>17776815
Fucking boong spec max kek

>>17776746
It is, but your average GT86 owner is a bit of a wank too. There's a few good ones who can take the banter, but plenty are real touchy about it being slow.

>>17776769
Also a totally different car to the WRX. Good buspost, friend.

>>17776958
>being this autistic
top zoz

I have to ask, would ayone be against it if Mazda somehow got their hands on the GT86 platform and used it to make the new RX-7? obv with Mazda styling and body panel design.

>>17779552
Do you listen to yourself speak?
>cornering ability isn't strong enough
Is that why it hangs right with a miata that's equipped with better tires?

A rwd, mechanical linkage shifter, lightweight chassis, balanced chassis, small coupe body, and a small engine pushed close to the engineering limit of its cylinder count isn't a sportscar?

>The ae86 had potential
Uh, you know it had a live rear axle and mcstruts up front as well right?
>more weight up front makes front suspension design matter more
Literally what
The Porsches I was talking about have mcstruts in the rear.
Jesus fucking Christ you have to be a troll.

>>17776702
The owners are the biggest gimps, probs rivals or even beats Evo owners

there is nothing wrong with the Toyobarus that cannot be fixed with better tires and an ecu flash.

It is the car that /o/tists claim they always want. Though given some out of the box handicaps because mpgeees.

yet as always. /o/tists complain that a car that starts below 30k, is not ZO6 fast.

>>17776702
The interior is cheap rattly garbage
It has a Subaru engine that's unreliable and hard to service
It doesn't have any normie appeal, so used ones are all trashed by boy racer faggots

>>17779871
What makes the FA20 unreliable or hard to service? You have to get a bit more intimate with the car every plug change but small stuff is actually easier than ever with nice things like a top mounted oil filter.

When it is sold as a drivers car that was "born to be on a track" yet can be outperformed by a 7 year old used Audi A4 sedan for half the price...

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>>17779881
Probably because used cars are cheaper.

>>17776702
I unironically bought a 2010 rx-8 over a gt86/toyobaru/brz.

much cheaper price even when paying out of hand for a compression test during purchasing, cheaper insurance (4door+small 1.3L engine), more bhp stock, a little bit more on gas but well worth it when you factor in insurance savings, actually makes me learn about the car so you don't fuck it up, great handling.

>>17776750
Except you are really wrong. The looks could be the only reason to spend money on this car but unfortunately it isn't. Looks like someone redesigned a refrigerator. Made it sleek so the new kids would like it. At least the interior could be decent but it also isn't. I haven't seen a single good interior in a 21st century Japanese car.

>>17779896
I don't think rx8 gets LITTLE BIT less gas milage.
I driven rx8 before and they are not fast at all. Rev all the way to moon without any power. Frs with simple mod would kill it

>>17779976
Not on the track.

>>17779506

It's not. The fa20 has a higher compression ratio, higher redline, and direct and port injection. Literally spend 2 mins behind the wheel

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>>17779927
Let's see a better interior in a sub 30k car

>>17776924
>you can buy any car used and put new rubber on any car
>unless its gt86 because I need to find more excuses to irrationally hate it

>>17776702
>what else is bad about it?
I personally like it, but everyone I know that has one leaves them stock. I don't know why you would buy a car that has a selling point of being a tuner car and not actually do anything with it. A guy at my work bought one and would not shut up about it for months. When I was finally able to see it about a year later, the damn thing was still stock.

>>17779773
When will they accept they're driving a overpriced 80's car with a "modern" look

>>17779881
but it's a lot more enjoyable around a track than a shitty audi a4

>>17780493
>modding
>this engine

I mean as long as you keep it naturally aspirated, otherwise boosting it is asking for a spontaneous detonation event. I don't see why they just didn't make a bitch-version of the STi's engine, not that those are terribly reliable though.

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>>17780870
that's my scirocco

>>17776702
Being slow is not a bad thing in this context. It's like complaining that an MX-5 isn't quick enough. Besides, it's not even that slow. 200bhp is more than this sort of car usually gets.

>>17776761
In Europe-world, where basically everyone has a set of winter tires and a set of summer tires.

If I buy a BRZ, will girls think I'm gay?

>>17780989
200hp is decent but is it worth the money when considering all the other options?

>>17780989
This. Too bad a lot of /o/ feels like lap times are the true measure of a car, even though most drivers will probably never set foot on the Nurburgring.

>>17776702
>20 years ago
>nobody cried about the 240SX or Corolla Memeo being slow, only praised for their handling and pricing

>2017
>a car built with a similar spirit
>TOO SLOW TOO SLOW TOO SLOW
>but it handles great and is affordable for young people
>REEE I BEAT IT AT STOPLIGHT RACES

>>17781010
You say that as if horsepower is the only reason to buy one car over another. If you want to go fast in a straight line, don't buy an 86. If you want great handling, buy an 86. It's pretty simple desu

>>17781010
Apart from the Fiata, there aren't any new RWD manual transmission cars on the US market that can be had for less than $30k. That selection narrows to just the Toyobaru if you want four seats.

>>17781028
>that can be had for less than $30k
EcoBoob Mustang is similarly priced

>>17781028
Technically there is the non-v8 camaro and mustangs, but youd be a fool to buy one.

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>>17780165
For a budget of 30k you can have a car that not only won't hurt the eyes..

>>17781014
No, I haven't said that. Let's not go off-topic, we aren't talking about straight line performance here.

>>17781028
I honestly don't understand why people are limiting themselves into the brand new car market. You people are polluting the planet with your demand for new crap. Do you also crave for the day when only EV's will be allowed?

>>17781093
The GT86 is one of the few remaining "old" cars you can buy. It's also one of the only new cars I actually like. No doubt i'll probably be getting a used one in twenty years.

>>17776781
the s2000 was around 35k in the mid 2000's so it would probably be near 40k in today's money.

It's funny how people compare the 86 to the s2000 but the honda was in a completely different price bracket. Is the honda the better car? Yeah, but is it 10 thousand dollars better if both came out at the same time? That's debatable.

If you think about it, most japanese sports cars since the 90's have not been truly beautiful, the only one that does fit the bill is the FD rx7 but what else is there?

>>17781136
The FC, the 80's MR2. I fucking wish the wedge shapes would make a comeback but "m-muh pedestrian safety"

>>17776702

It didn't live up to the touge meme despite being better than its "predecessor " in every aspect

>>17781121
The build quality should be pretty good if you anticipate that there will be something left to buy after 20 years.

>>17781136
I'm pretty sure that the RX-7 is a 90's car.
If we are talking Japanese cars in general then I like the exterior of the FJ. Can't really think of anything else.

>>17780329
The point is for 27k the car should have come with summer slicks

>>17780136
Yea it is the same engine, the WRX uses the FA20 as well

>>17781161
My current car is from 1995. Twenty years, in my experience is the sweet spot where cars are old enough to be cheap but still work the majority of the time. Twenty years isn't that long in car years.

>>17781167
Same crank, different everything else.

>>17781181
>the build quality of the current car market is the same as it was in early 90's
Are you allowed to buy alcohol?

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>>17781195
>cars in the nineties are more reliable than the equivalent car made today
You and I both know that's bullshit.

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>>17781218
Nice car, buddy.
Why are you so against logic? I bought a well maintained 18 year old car two years ago. Even on the second technical inspection no faults were found. The mileage is in km.

>>17781270
Read my posts again carefully.

>>17781187
This. They have different compression ratios, bore/stroke, and not to mention the gearing of the vehicle is different which effects peak power.

>>17781273
I don't really want to.

>>17781277
Fun fact, the block is different too. A wrx engine won't bolt up to the brz trans.

>>17781279
That's why you're confused.

>>17781284
Probably.

>>17780870
it's also faster on the track

>>17776940
>Hold their resale value well

The depreciation is the last thing, or even a thing, you should being thinking about when buying a car unless your leasing you little mong.

>>17781035
Good reasons to own a non-V8 Camaro or Mustang
>lesser price
>more reasonable street power (3XX HP is still a lot, more than many pony cars of old)
>less thirsty
Good reasons to own a V8 Camaro or Mustang
>sound
>having a shitload of horsepower
>winning dick measuring contests

>>17781035
Honestly if my used FRS wasn't so much cheaper than an ecoboost mustang I would have gone the mustang.

>300HP or close to 400HP with the $600 tune from Ford Racing was really appealing, but not at all worth 26k+ after TTL

>>17780165
>Posting a phone screenshot
Just post the picture jfc

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>>17776885
>Telegraph.co.uk

i think it's ugly as all fuck.

it looks disproportionate, and i cannot stand this "make the front wheel arches taller than the rest of the body" meta

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>>17781540
Its really a honeypot car. Get the ricers and retards to flock to a shitty car so they don't buy enthusiast cars and fuck those up. It's slow enough that they won't kill others. And they can hang out on their messageboard safespace to stroke each other off on their 'great' choice.

I hope Toyota continues production and does the whole car community a big service!

>>17781136
Skyline and the S2000 at the very least look really good

>>17781768
And they are both from 90's.

>>17779856

I know, like what? A cheap sports car isnt fast what a damn outrage!!

>>17782910
What is
>3k civic with a couple of simple mods
>Turbo'd Miata
>350z
>S15
>Dodge Neon
>WRX
>RX-7 FD
All cars from 2000's (for those "muh reliability" or 2old4me fags) that can go way more fast AND handle better than BRZ/GT86 shitters for the same money.

Rx8 even with a rebuilt engine is still cheaper and performs better than the toyobaru.

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I love my GT86 and no one can stop me

[spoiler]it's auto as well, get mad[/spoiler]

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>>17783947
>automatic 86

>>17776702
Just buy an RX 8. It does everything the 86 does for a fraction of the price. Even if you put in a brand new r3 renesis, it still wouldn't even cost you 10k total.

>>17776702
there's no bad points
literal god machine

>>17782910

If a Volkswagen or Audi family station wagon outperform it, is it even worth being called a sports car?

>>17785952
Can't tell if someone is seriously that dumb or it's just an edgy humor.

>>17779976
>Rev all the way to moon without any power.
>Doesn't realize the rotary doesn't make good power until 5k
You never drove one you benchracer

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>>17781013
>this
People need to stop comparing the cost of these cars new too, because buying new cars is stupid.
The used car market for the scion FRS is fantastic, you can easily find cars with around 20-40k miles for 15k and under, and Subaru brats being who they are, have the BRZ's listed around 15k with upwards of 70k on the clock. Since the GT86 wasn't the brand in American until Scion's collapse, finding them are much harder.
Regardless, this is exactly the kind of car anyone who's into tuners/imports would enjoy, a low cost, high(er) revving car that has good handling. The only thing I understand people bitching about is the fact they went with a boxer motor, which I'm personally not a fan of.
People just get sensitive when "MUH ENTHUSIAST CARS" like >>17781573 or "MUH DISPLACEMENT ON MUH BOAT" nerds try to point out why they don't like the car.
If you like boxer motors, or a nicer looking rwd car with ez drifting abilities or just something sportier for tougeing, these things are great.

And this is coming from a Mazda fanboy
>pic related

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>>17780165

>>17787426
>22,000 Euros for that massive hunk of shit
Are eurocucks this desperate for nip cars?
300ZX's are 150k mile ticking time bombs

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>>17787439
>mileage
Just a random example. Would you rather spend 30k for the br86?

>>17781013
>>17787418
this
>20 years ago
>nobody cried about the 240SX or Corollo being slow, only praised for their handling and pricing

>2017
>a car built with a similar spirit but has the same 200hp, is ugly and cost more than the still usable cars build 20 years ago
>>>>

>>17787418
Scion no longer exists in the US.

>>17787527
no shit sherlock, i said that, but there are still scion cars

>>17783281
>>17784576
Fuck off with this meme. An 86 is faster in every aspect. It corners better, handles better, and is even faster in a straight line.

>>17776885
They aren't that slow and they ahve held value quite well.

>>17779842

They dont need the platform at all. They have the ND platform which I believe has certain advantages, and resulted in 2300 lb miata. A full and fleshed out car that weighs 2300 in 2017 is absolutely insane.

They are going to use the ND platform is planned to be used on the rx-9, seems like everything is ready to go except the rotary engine itself

>>17783267
S15
>not available anywhere that is left hand drive.
neon
>disposable boy racer. incredibly awful to drive. build quality is meh when new
FD
>rare, expensive unless clapped out
wrx
>i'll give you that, but not as fun to drive
350z
>money pits. they're either autotragics are clapped out boy racers too.

>>17776807
>Hp/l

You hate all cars. You are the antifa of the auto enthusiast spectrum. You burn down immigrants' limousines and property while insisting every white person is a nazi. Please kill yourself.

>>17788730
>Neon
>incredibly awful to drive
Only when equipped with an automatic
This is how I can tell you have no clue what you're talking about

>>17776702
everything.

>>17788613
rotary isn't happening until they finish developing a hydrogen fuel cell powered one, and then figure out how to shove that system into a light chassis without creating an exploding deathtrap that makes motorcycles look so safe that controlling soccer moms across the country will simultaneously give their husbands the green light to buy that kawasaki H2R they've been wanting

I wish it had a new Toyota i4 in it but the car is good. Honestly.

After driving different cars with more power, being lightweight and simplistic like these cars are generally just makes them more fun to drive than a pigfat car with a shitload of power and creature comforts

The fact you can get this platform at that pricepoint is amazing. People compare it to the s2k but that car was essentially twice what this thing costs new adjusted for inflation

It is tremendous bang for your buck.

>>17779856
it is a cool car and all.

Out of the box leaves something to be desired, and mods are really expensive for what you get.

way better value propositions. Especially since the car not a great DD. Miata+Mustang or RX8 + beamer combos can be hand for under 15k. for two awesome cars. Spending 30g's on something that is fun around bends with a shit interior doesn't get me hard.

The GT86 is a good car when you LS swap it.

>>17776702
Owned predominately middle aged men going through a crisis....

>>17790959
>People compare it to the s2k but that car was essentially twice what this thing costs
>was

>>17791032
>uses cars are cheaper than new ones, more news at 11

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>>17791078
>gets my point

>>17781002
>>17776973

>>17788775
Would you rather the 2 litre 5 banger only make 150hp instead?

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>>17788613
>They are going to use the ND platform is planned to be used on the rx-9

hello

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>tfw there will never be an 86 shooting brake
>tfw there will never be an S-FR

>>17776769
WRX is pigfat

>>17776702
That retarded boxer increases polar movement of inertia and leaves no room for proper suspension in the front, so they resorted to machpherson struts. Fail.

>>17776702
Gayburu

>>17776757
basically this. It's not even that expensive second hand anymore it's just that neetbux wont cover the payments so it's "shit".

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>>17776769

>>17776783
>>17779439
>>17779780
>>17794593


>nobody brings a legitimate opinion to refute this post

Hard to argue for the GT86 when it's that bad.

>>17776702

Boxer engines are complete junk. it makes no sense to have the pistons sideways for "weight distribution" so oil can pool in one corner of the valve covers. Boxer engines are the shittiest engine to come out of Japan right up there with half of Suzuki's engines and Isuzu's engines

>>17795346
Its shorter than an i4 and has a low centee of gravity. Boyracers abusing the engines doesn't make them bad. Subaru uses them so they fit in the front of the cars with the transaxle.

>>17776801

Thing has a compression rate of 12.5:1, any engine with a compression this high needs premium fuel, or else it'll pink like a motherfucker with regular.

>>17776757
>t. BRZ owner
Nah fuck off. If in 10 years /o/ likes it, it'll only mean there's nothing else better.

>>17795323
Alright I'll bite if you promise not to sperg out, with experience with both BRZ/WRX I have come to the conclusion that the BRZ has much better seating position,direct steering/corner entry (does not understeer), no rev hang, and has alot more aftermarket than current WRX. With that said the WRX has advantages over the 86 being faster,more stable at high speeds,much better grip, and easier power to be made just a few thoughts before I get back to work, take care anon!

>>17795605
Looking at archives with that image, that guy is one of the busriders who only shitposts that has chosen to remain anonymous. Don't bother.

>>17795605
The 2018 wrx doesn't have Rev hang

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no scoop no buy

>>17795718
No turbo no buy

My options are limited for a feasible sports coupe?
I hate stangs/chargers/challengers/camaros, Genesis coupe is bland as fuck, and the Miata is a worse daily.

Toyobaru is just exotic enough for me in a sea of plain jane shitboxes

>>17795742
A 350z or 370z

>>17795718
I hate that this looks so good to me.

>>17795747
370z is out of my price range, and I am not buying used.

If I had an extra 6k lying around I'd totally opt for the 370z, but that just isn't in the cards right now.

>>17795761
Why not used? You seem to be pretty Gung ho about buying a brand new car that is pretty prevalent on the used market for significantly cheaper.

Find a used brz with all the service history with it and absolutely no mods. Get a car fax so what ever you need, inspect the car head to toe like you would any other car and feel for abnormalities in the clutch, engine sound etc.

Absolutely no mods, no cobb tuner shit either

>>17795747
>Less trunk space than a miata

>>17795809
>BRZ
>No mods

Sold off the same lot as the sportbike without a fender eliminator and loud ass muffler.

>>17795817
>>Less trunk space than a miata
Who fucking cares dude what could you possibly bring?

>>BRZ
>>No mods
>Sold off the same lot as the sportbike without a fender eliminator and loud ass muffler.
Unmodded brz aren't hard to find there's tons of them, what's your zip code you can find tons on true car and other used auto website

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>>17795826
>Who fucking cares dude what could you possibly bring?

>>17795761
then be patient and save up. Saving an additional 6k shouldnt take that long anon

>>17791479

Makes sense too, they invested a ton in the ND platform and even got investments from fiat to help complete it.

Also rumours from anonymous sources within mazda have been saying the same thing about using the ND platform, apparently its going to be slightly enlongated a little bit to fit the longer planned body of the rx 9.

Mazda also has alot of RX-7 fanboys high up within the company that have been putting alot of pressure on the company to make a rx-9.
Basically, get excited because mazda is going to come out with a some kind of larger performace vehicle(if it isnt rx-9, could be a new mx-3)
Forgot where I read it, but mazda is working on an interesting performance engine that isnt meant for the usual line up


TLDR: Mazda is making a full sized bad ass performance car and theirs alot of rumours and official engine patents to back this up.

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>>17797175
Dude stop holding your breath.

Mazda already announced they would not be making a RX9.

If you haven't checked recently, Mazda is in the fucking red financially. What makes you think they will offer a Miata, Miata RF, AND a RX9 considering the shape they are in?

>>17797821
A Miata RF is just a Miata trim when you get down to it, I don't know why you're treating it like an entirely different car.

>>17797175
The rx9 is dead man, it's not going to happen, let it go.

>>17795742
>I hate stangs/chargers/challengers/camaros, Genesis coupe is bland as fuck, and the Miata is a worse daily
Damn, you really killed your options. I would say maybe an RX8, but you have to deal with the rotary bullshit.

Factory clutch is junk, shit engine bad gearbox.

>>17799251
Adjusting the clutch helps a lot.

What's shit about the engine?

The gearbox is better than most cars under 50k