God Tier Engines

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>>17753586
If we're ignoring wear and tear and looking at actual performance, this small package.

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>>17753616
good post

>>17753586
shit tier design, no benefits, annoying to change spark plugs. NEXT

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>>17753586

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B-Series is the best series.
Reliable, excellent hp/L for the time, extensive aftermarket.

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>>17753639

>>17753639
all honda engines are the same

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>>17753586
Make way peasants, royalty coming through

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>>17753586

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God tier you say?

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The Renault engine inside this.

>1.6l
>v6
>Turbo
>900+hp

Any engine that produces less than 100hp per liter is a piece if shit. Period. Any engine (like those muritarded 8.5l with 300hp) are scrap metal. Lawnmower tier.

>>17753691
My dude those things require rebuilds every race because precision tuning and shit and before you go on saying that I'm ass blasted or some shit nah road car engines are built with reliability in mind as well so quit trying to shit up threads pls

>>17753710
Ameritards could build tiny overstressed engines that supernova every few hours of use but that wouldn't be very useful in work vehicles that need to provide 300-400 horse power and 300-800 torques reliably for at least 250k miles before blowing apart so that hard working people can do thier jobs keeping the infrastructure of the economy functioning. To do that you need a larger overall mechanical robustness to hold together.

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>>17753586

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>>17753586

>>17753586
Sneeze near OP's engine
head gaskets explode

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surprised this hasnt been brought up

>>17753586


>boxer
>good

yeah, having the valvecovers sideways so oil can pool in one corner constantly creating a oil leaking headgasket blowing monstrosity is a good design. Subaru is easily the shittiest Japanese manufacturer minus their straight 4 engine vehicles which are actually good. Boxers are junk

id even call Boxer engine Subaru shittier than Isuzu and Suzuki vehicles and thats saying something

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>>17753644
Why stop doing something right once you figured it out? Oh right, they actually started doing that when anything remotely cool had to come with a turbo to be fast. Simple honda was their prime game.

>>17753792
Your engine is pointed the wrong way.

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>>17753787
>boxer
>bad
Wew lad

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>>17753844
whoops, sorry about that

>>17753874
Well damnit, now your bonnet is missing. What is going on here mate?

>>17753858
Looks like it's missing a team of huskies

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>>17753889
whoops, sorry about that

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>>17753858
Looks like anakin hasn't finished his pod racer.

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>>17753901
Well I am just flabbergasted! There is a hole in your hood and part of your motor is sticking out! I mean honestly. This is just unreasonable.

>>17753586
Ej207?

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>>17753919
whoops, sorry about that

>>17753943
I just, that can't be, why? The whole front end of your body work is gone! Damnit son! What are you thinking of!

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>>17753955
whoops, sorry about that

>>17753630
Thats a nice set of memes you've got there

>>17753999
That reply thread made my day. Also, sick trips

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The M10, M20, and M30 are all god tier (particularly the super eta 2.7i conversion)

>>17753642
>Spoon
Nutted

>>17753691
Top bad the Renaults make subpar power - way less than the 900hp Mercedes and Ferrari. Also, they tend to break the most often, which is costing RB a lot of points.

>Le hp/meme
Epic man.

>>17753784
Anon, this is an engine thread, not a boat anchor thread.

>>17753787
Boxer engines are even worse because their width usually requires suspension compromises, unlike V engines.

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pic related

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>>17754613
4A is dogshit compared to the 3S

Any engine that can go over 250k miles with no issues is god tier in my mind.

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>>17753586
The 350, (and most SBC's really). Ridiculously cheap, dependable, easily fixable on the side of a road with whatever half-assery you can manage, and tried and true performance and ability to take abuse.

NiBBA I like boxers a lot but calling the EJ series god tier is a big stretch.

>>17753747
wtf is going on with the pulley

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>>17754544

>>17753664
How is this a god-tier engine whatsoever? Name one engineering quality that this engine posses that was either an advancement in the field of automotive engineering, or was an accomplishment of any kind, whatsoever.

the only argument for this engine is
>muh power/size, price/performance

The "power" the ls engines make is the same as a literal fucking truck engine. They only exist because GM decided a long time ago to put a truck engine in a cars body and call it a sportscar. That is why the ls exists and the corvette exists. Nowhere in there is anything worth mentioning engineering wise.

price/performance
Ls swaps usually cost over 20g if they're going to be anywhere near the "not half-assed" threshold, and for 20g you can pick almost any common engine, get the same output as an ls and the same reliability which, is honestly fucking garbage. They have cooling problems, oiling problems, oil cooling problems, bent pushrods. etc etc. The fact that people glorify them as much as they do and they don't even come with forged connecting rods is just proof at how overrated these garbage ass engines are. Anyone who says they're anything but is a fucking idiot and doesn't know anything about cars or engineering.

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/thread

>>17755135
INDY engine?

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>>17753858
>turbo
no thanks

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>>17755096
The SBC is hands down the cheapest and most reliable way to break 1000hp. I'd say that's a pretty good engineering quality. Awww boo hoo you have to drop a couple grand at JEGS to make a junkyard engine put out supercar hp reliably waaaaahh.

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>>17755096
>Melting down this hard over the God Engine LS

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hnnng

>>17753729

The actual work vehicles use detuned engines than those found in your cuck wagon trucks.

I mean if those 21 ft box trucks break 250 hp that's considered a hot rod in the truck world.

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55hp
550cc
60 lbs

Pretty efficient package.

>>17755364
Almost forgot.

60lbs including transmission.. since it's a bike engine.

>>17755096
I known people that have done LS swaps for less than $2000. I can't see any done being over 10g unless you're pushing 1500hp or throwing it into something stupid like a civic

>>17755364
>magnesium
hnnnnggggg

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Come on guys

>>17755398
Only the grey painted parts. The cases are Aluminum.

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3S-GTE

>>17755471
>that feel when gen 4 3SGTE
feels good

>>17754902
>painted literally everything... including water passages, exhaust ports and mating surfaces

i mean sure the exhaust ports will burn off but wut

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>>17755405
>>17753616
>>17753624

>>17755498
>engine that would have survived le mans twice
>laugh harder.gif

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>>17755096
>doesn't know anything about cars or engineering.
>to put a truck engine in a cars body

The SBC existed in GM cars before it was in GM trucks.

>>17755096

Yet you'd defend a plane engine in the worst place to mount an engine.

>>17754862
3S before coil-on-plug were all dogshit

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>great power
>one of the best engines ever for torque at 3k
>it's not a real hemi, it's actually just a pentroof porsche design

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>>17755096
>mfw he didn't post an LS engine
>mfw this melt down over LS engines anyway
>mfw this entire post

>>17755233
>>17755395
it's not an LS you busriders

>>17755550
You're thinking of the 5S you stupid yank twat

>>17755179
>The SBC is hands down the cheapest and most reliable way to break 1000hp.

aftermarket support is its only redeeming quality.

a corvette engine like the one in your pic is 5k for a thrashed one with 100k miles on it. if you are getting el cheapo SBC's like >>17755395 has seen they are almost invariably out of a truck and, fully dressed, are X-box fuckin' huge (by almost 6 inches in every dimension).

meanwhile, you can get a 1UZ that weighs 200lbs less, has smaller fully dressed dimensions, and makes similar or better stock power. not to mention you can get it for 900$ that has less than 35k miles on it and comes with a warranty.

the days of the SBC being cheap power are gone. its for overpriced antique boomer mobiles and hobbyists that just like to throw money at their projects.

>>17755179
Wrong
5.7 hemi is cheapest way to hit 1,000hp

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>>17755096
umm sweetie... that's not an ls... it's a 350

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>>17755630
>a corvette engine like the one in your pic is 5k for a thrashed one with 100k miles on it
huh

>>17755689
are you trying to prove my point or what?

thats 6500$ for an engine thats not even fully dressed.

>>17755703
bro it's got a 200$ mail-in rebate.

>>17755630

I don't know how stock power output is relevant when talking engine swaps. The whole LS swap meme usually entails pulling a 5.3 truck motor, dressing it up with performance parts then dropping it into something. That's the budget route. You'll never reach this performance to price ratio with any Jap or German V8.

If you got the money then you do an actual corvette LS swap or use a alloy crate engine.

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>>17753616

>renesis
>good

>>17755772
>hey i know, lets shove these big 427s in everything

he was truly a madman and we love him for it

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fuck you guys shes perfect

>>17755712
>I don't know how stock power output is relevant when talking engine swaps.

because thats the reason LS1 swaps were attractive in the first place. they were good power right out of the box.

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>>17753586
>ej
>god tier
How bout no

>>17753699
Came here to post this

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This, but only if you ignore the shitty, shitty exhaust manifold.

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>>17753631
wtf is that garbage?

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>>17756026
Piece of shit compared to pic related

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>>17755096

First of all
>SBC is not the same as an LS. In copany literature, thay call them "Generation III and IV small blocks," with the old 1955-1998 small block retroactive called "Gen 1." But the Small Block Chevrolet (265, 305, 350, and many others) and the LS-based engines have practically nothing in common. I don't understand how lump those two together.

Now then. Why is the Generation 1 (the original "small block Chevy") so innovative? By today's standards, nothing at all. But in 1955, it was a masterpiece of engineering. There were no engines could combine all these qualities at once: power and displacement with that low weight and outside dimensions.

This engine put Chevrolet as the America's biggest auto manufacturer until the Oil Crisis

>>17756099
You leave my Vortec 4200 alone. I6 for lyfe.

>>17756115
>This engine put Chevrolet as the America's biggest auto manufacturer until the Oil Crisis

yeah 130HP out of 5 liters displacement. Truly the binnacle of bongineering

>>17753630
>T. Someone who can't remove four bolts to get the washer fluid reservoir and intake box out of the way
Imagine being such a meme

>>17756137
And what was your 2 liter putting out in the same year? 60bhp?

>>17756130
An arbitrary configuration doesn't make it good. Although all the Vortec engine regardless of cylinder count are good at what they do.
>>17756115
This.
>>17756194
Don't respond

>>17755907
the wrist pins only let go when you tune the tits off them without replacing any internals. it's the same crowd that manage to blow up civics that go winding 30PSI of boost into an already high compression engine and wonder why it doesn't last.

>>17756211
Yeah, I know I6 doesn't mean anything. It's just what my Envoy runs over the V8 ones.

>>17755816
Because fuck IAT's

>posts a pic of an ej
>in efficient can't break 400 without building the motor
>glass transmission
>God tier engine thread
>OK is a faggot

>>17756257
just preheating the intake charge bro, its cool
just like when you preheat the bbq before you throw steaks on it

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1100hp of pure Scandinavian goodness

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Lister LT1
>can operate for 10 years without an air filter in red soil country
>only needs a little cleaning to free up the fuel pump of silt
>1L/hr fuel consumption
>5kW-6kW in a small package you and your drunk buddies can lift

>>17756259
>STI
>glass transmission
Since when? I must have missed something about the 6mt. Had OP posted an ej205 I'd agree with the glass transmission statement.

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>>17755488
Heads had the plastic covers they come with from the factory, oil pump surface was taped off completely, water passages don't matter a single fuck.

>what is a pneumatic grinder with what is basically a scotch brite pad
It took less time to grind everything clean, which needed to be done anyways, than it would have to tape it all off.

>>17753651
930 best deathtrap

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F.

>>17755558
It's a semihemi, not a pentroof. You can't have a pentroof design without four valves.

>>17755651
Wrong. A 5.3 truck motor can easily hit 1000hp with rings, studs, heads and a turbo. Hemisphere are much more expensive to begin with, and much more expensive in terms of aftermarket parts. The big advantage they've got is their great heads, but that doesn't always weight up against the LS in terms of performance per dollar.

>>17755689
You can get an LS1 for 3K though. 5K should get your a warrantied used LS3.

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What are you fags talking about?

>>17755477
>>17755816
>>17756026
>>17757248
Boat anchors get out

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>>17753586
I like how all the engines posted in this thread, are the exact same engines posted in the engine hate threads.
Really makes me think...

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>>17755179
The cheapest way to 1000 hp are 2 13b-MSP Renesis, 12 apex seals and a centrifugal supecharger ported welded together.
That "20b Renensis" won´t be any relieable, but should exceed 1000 hp easy.

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>>17757254
>muh aluminum block
>muh weight distribution

>>17757312
What's the use of a 1000hp 2JZ or Barra, when they're only good in a straight line?

>>17757322
Because it's fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnN2gcC-XpY
This doesn't look very straight to me.

>>17757334
>implying drifting an oversized landbarge is impressive
Name one thing that a 2JZ has which a similarly built V6 or V8 doesn't have. Pigfat boat anchors like that have nothing but a good stock bottom end, which is easily outdone by modern motors.

>>17753710
F1 doesn't allow rebuilding the engine. Only a few components can be replaced, and even then, not every race.
Stop talking about subjects you don't know, burgerman.

>>17755505
>such a piece of shit not even Mazda makes them anymore
lol

>>17758279
Yea and then they get swapped out with a new one and toss the old one out pretty much so burger man is not that completely wrong

>>17758318
They last at least 3 races, which by F1 standards is a fucking lot.

>>17758318
You're "only" allowed to use 4 entire drivetrains for the entire season, 5 if there's more than 20 races scheduled.

>The engines, now referred to as power units, are divided into 6 components: the internal combustion engine (ICE); turbocharger (TC); Motor Generator Unit-Kinetic (MGU-K), which harvests energy that would normally be wasted under braking; Motor Generator Unit-Heat (MGU-H), which collects energy in the form of heat as it is expelled through the exhaust; Energy Store (ES), which functions as batteries, holding the energy gathered by the Motor Generator Units; and Control Electronics (CE), which includes the Electronic Control Unit and software used to manage the entire power unit. In 2015, each driver is allowed to use up to four of each component during a season that is up to 20 scheduled races in length; a fifth power unit (and its components) may be used without penalty if more than 20 races are scheduled to take place. A ten place starting grid penalty will be applied for the use of a power unit component used beyond the established allocation; a pit lane start for entire unit changes beyond the limit.

>>17758324
>>17758318
3 races is a lot considering the old qualifying turbo engines had about a lifespan of 3 laps. That's Top Fuel levels right there.

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I like to post things amerifats don't have a clue about.

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>>17758353
>XE
>not LET

>>17758364
I'm a modest guy

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>>17755471
>>17755476
>what is the 503E?

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>>17753651
>>17753662
>best VW engine

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it comes from a timeline you cannot comprehend.

>>17755581
i'm not, gen 1-3 3SGTE barely cracked 200hp and weighed over 400 pounds

>>17758600
What kind of head is that?

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>>17758609
A special kind of Apfelbeck head with different intake runner design.

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>>17758609
Triflux.

Basically, you have four valves in each cylinder. Top left and bottom right valve are intake, top right and bottom left are exhaust. In a regular 4 valve head, left is intake and right is exhaust (or the other way around).

It's got a two-stage turbo setup, the right turbo being smaller than the left unit. Right turbo creates throttle response, left turbo takes over at high RPM for big airflow.

>>17758636
you forgot about the head not having such a big temperature difference (between intake and exhaust side)

>>17758607
>barely cracked 200hp
Gen 1 maybe, but Gen 2 was over 200hp and Gen 3 was 252hp, and came with pent roof heads
4A's also weigh the same as the 3S
Don't post if you have no idea what you're talking about

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>3.2 MW

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>>17755364
Husa(((burg))) holy crap. This much shilling for Isreal? Plus you do know the first part of the name is for Husain. So you got Husain Zukkerburg Motoworks corporation LLC. Wake the fuck up man!

>>17757339

its cheap


I think the 2j remains the most reliable 800hp engine for less than $5k including cost of the longblock.

>>17758785
>5K USD, 800whp 2JZ
>reliable
Pick one.

>>17753858

they are junk. i will still fight to the day straight 6 is the best engine design and boxer engines are complete shit.

>>17758710
>involving strawman engine as counterpoint
never said anything about 4A, stop embarrassing yourself

>>17758826
>straight 6 is the best engine design
Polar moment of inertia would like to disagree with you.

>>17758843
>strawman
You said the 3S weighs over 400lbs, all I said was the 4A weighs more and is a small displacement engine with nowhere near the power potential, that isn't a strawman, that's called a comparison you fucking idiot
Funny you didn't refute what I said about the 3S-GTE power levels, but that's ultimately due to you being a blithering brainlet

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>>17755096

This is why you fail
>>17755561

>>17758899
comparing dogshit to horseshit doesn't warrant a valid argument in favor of dogshit over better engines, and the middling output of an ancient engine design has nothing to do with whether or not it's an effective or efficient powerplant, so refutation of horsepower figures (lol) not being the focus, you're still embarrassing yourself

>>17759097
>much subjective opinion matter more than yours
Go back to fapping to shitty cam in block engines, Cletus
>dogshit engine over better engines
Explain why and give examples of a better engine
The rest of your post is utter nonsense filled with words that you got from a Thesaurus to make yourself appear like you know what you're talking about, that's embarrassing

>>17758866
>Polar moment of inertia
can you explain this in relation to i6?

>>17759244
A I6 is longer than most proper engine configurations (I4, V6, V8), and therfore has a center of gravity further forward of it's mounting point. This, combined with the added weight compared to a V6, causes understeer in FR cars.

>>17759270
>causes understeer in FR cars
That depends on the placement of the engine, if you put parts of it in the gearboxtunnel and use a transaxle gearbox, you can get a well ballanced car.

>>17759270
thanks for the info anon

>>17753941
EJ22 from a 22B

>>17759298
If you use a transaxle gearbox, a V6 will shift more weight to the rear compared to a similar I6. It will also have a better polar moment of inertia (closer to the centre of the car).

If you put the engine in the transmission tunnel, you're intruding on passenger space, which engineers rarely do on consumer vehicles. It's a maintenance nightmare according to some, and it poses significant problems when designing the engine to move under the vehicle in the event of a crash, before it goes into the cabin and hurts someone.

Even so, if you set back a V6 as far into the firewall as you would with a similar I6, it would result in a better car, since the weight is shifted rearward and the polar moment of inertia improves.

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12 valve is best valve

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>>17759270
>>17759298
Another Idea would be to build a transverse MR with the transmission behind the engine in the same block to reduce parts and increase block stiffness.
A positive side effect would be that the driveshafts could be of equal length.

>>17759363
>transverse inline six
Dear lord no. Ever worked on one of those Volvo's? They're a mess, and they're so wide that they need suspension compromises (usually struts instead of wishbones) to get them to fit within the width of a decent car. This would be even more critical in the rear suspension of an MR car with a heavy rearward weight bias, or it'd result in a lot of sudden oversteer.

>transmission and engine in one unit
Great idea mister Issigonis, we should do that more often.

>equal length driveshafts
Please explain how a transverse engine with an offset transmission (like in your picture) would have equal length driveshafts.

An MR V6 would still be better. Better at centralising weight, better at not requiring a suspension compromise, and better at weighing less. NSX for example proved that the layout is very effective, and I can't think why a transverse I6 would be any better. Hell, even the I6-fetishists at BMW didn't make the M1 transverse, and had to use a longitudinal setup - and there too a V6 would be superior.

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351w is my favorite I've owned.
But im a truck guy

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>>17759400
>on one of those Volvo's?
>suspension compromises
The engine on these Volvos is on the front axle, it has to account for steeing etc.
My design would put it slightly in front of the rear axle, allowing wishbones since there is space behind the engine and the suspension doesn´t have to account for steering.

The V-6 has the problem of beeing less ballanced, heavier and having a more complex valvetrain.

>>17759463
It's not that wide because it has to account for steering. It's that wide because the I6 engine itself is physically too wide to make fit between double wishbone suspension pickups. You can only fix this by widening the track, or going to struts, and this applies to any transverse application of the I6.

Moving the engine forward is not a valid solution, since it would mean increasing the wheelbase. Even in your current pic, the gearbox would interfere with the suspension.

Final drives don't work like that, and there's no gearbox following that design. There is no transverse engine setup that allows for equal length driveshafts, period - unless you want to offset the engine, and create a left/right weight imbalance.

>balance
Only relevant for lifespan and RPM. A modern V6 can have a lifespan exceeding it's chassis, and we can easily make a 15K RPM V6.
>heavier
No. Imagine the V6 and I6 as being two I3's joined together. Since the V6 can share the bottom end of those I3's, it can reduce the weight of the webbing, and be lighter overall. It can also use a lighter rotating assembly, since there is a lower torsional loading.
>more complex valvetrain
More parts, not more complex. V6 valvetrains can be designed lighter, and with a lower inertia, than I6 counterparts, again due to the lower torsional load.

>>17758695
>>17758636
>>17758628
>>17758600
Seems like it would be kind of heavy for the size? Probably really expensive too. I've never seen this engine before, so I'm totally uneducated otherwise.

>>17759500
But what if you put the timing chain in the center of the i6?

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V10s makes me weak in my legs

>>17759500
>the I6 engine itself is physically too wide to make fit between double wishbone suspension
That depends on bore and block sieze, since you can connect the wishbones to the block as well, the can fit.
>in your current pic, the gearbox would interfere with the suspension
No, it would be under a part of the wheel.
>Final drives don't work like that
They can work like that, just use 1 cog on the gearbox and one on the differential.
>there's no gearbox following that design
That doesn´t mean there can´t be one...
>There is no transverse engine setup that allows for equal length driveshafts
This one does...
>ballance Only relevant for lifespan and RPM
Also vibrations...
>bottom end and rotary assembly
1. the block is shared with the gearbox
2. the V-6 has much heavier valvetrain due to additional timing chains and cogs
> V6 valvetrains can be designed lighter, and with a lower inertia, than I6 counterparts
If you use simmilar valvetrain components the V-6 ends up with all components doubbled, except for the camshafts, wich are basicly cut in half.

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>>17759526
thats what HONDA did

>>17759523
These engines are racing engines, BMW made 1400 hp with one of these, with only 1,5 L displacement during qualifiying in the early 80s.

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Mechanical 12 Valve Cummins

>>17757254
>Doesn't know one of those was actually aluminum block

>>17755624
Arguably the most reliable engine ever made

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>>17759523
Not really heavy, since there's as much parts in the head as in a ''regular'' twinturbo multivalve I4. It is expensive and niche though, which is why it stayed a Group B prototype.

>>17759526
Pic related. Alfa and Bugatti both did this on straight eight engines in the interwar period. It fell out of favor, because it's an extremely complicated setup - although perfectly suited to combining two inline fours, like Bugatti did.

>>17759570
If your bore is small enough to fit an I6 between double wishbones, you have a really small engine.

You can't put a gearbox under a wheel.

The differential needs a different rotation though.

There is no gearbox that allows a transverse mounting with equal length driveshafts, without any downsides to it. Your would be severaly increased wheelbase, and significant internal losses.

Vibrations? Doesn't matter in a pure sportscar, and you have engine mounts for that. NVH engineering is exceedingly good nowadays, to the point where we need to pump engine noise into the cabin to prvent the driver from being completely isolated.

Block and gearbox can be much more easily shared between a V6, due to the narrowness in a transverse setup.

A V6 valvetrain is lighter. Sure, there's a bit of extra chain (or belt), but that's rotating inertia, not reciprocating inertia (the main contributor to valvetrain inertia). Those cogs only have half the loading, and can thus be engineered to have half the mass. The cams themselves are less than half the weight, because the torsional load is much, much lower.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HltHVmQXeyo

I6 cams are subject to very high torsional loads (even during installation), which means an engineer has to overbuild them. This is why you can make them a lot lighter in a V6. This same loading is also placed onto the crankshaft, which means I6 cranks have to be overbuilt as well.

>>17759580
The M12/13 never used an Apfelbeck style head, nevermind a Triflux.

>>17759602
Even with an aluminium block, I6 engines are pigfat, with bad packaging and mass centers.

H6 > I6

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>>17759413
>>17759565
Stop posting crap guys

>>17759718
you first

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>will happily put out all of 110 HP (on a good day) until the eventual heat-death of the universe.

But goddamn is it slow.

>no straight 5

Seriously upset in everyone

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>>17755574
Piston and rotary fags BTFO

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I'm thinking of making a i30 engine where the block runs through the center of the car into the cabin and out towards the backseats/trunk. There would be two transmissions for the front and back 15 piston heads. That way the car could have both full front and rear wheel drive. I don't know how practical it is, but if a person could teach themselves how to work with two gearshifts then it may turnout to be a revolutionary evolution in automotive engineering.

>>17763493
Shifter linkage that is connected to both transmissions at once?

>>17755096
donno shit about torque

>>17760366
It was never meant to be fast. It does exactly what it was designed to do, and does it damn reliabley for 400k+. God tier in my book.

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R series, for what's it's used for its compact and clean as hell. Not setting any land speed records or generating lots of torque. However it will run 24/7 with no fucks given.

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>>17753586
The LT1 350 small block is GOAT. Plus easily the best sounding engine note ever

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>>17753586
you are all faggots

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>>17765614
except this guy>>17760366
this guy knows

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>>17755624
I agree, I feel like it's underrated

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>>17753586

>>17755096
>mfw this was likely bait
>noface.jpeg

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Small block a best

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beside the 1G this is the first reliable twin turbo. why so underrated?

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>5 millions units produced by 2013, spanning various brands
>the most compact 4 cylinder diesel engine ever made
>excellent torque for its size
>flat torque curve
>variable geometry turbo
>chain driven
>smooth
>reliable
>won engine of the year award

You literally can't argue with that.

>>17766025
FIX

>>17766006
Because most Americans don't know about it, but it's shit because VVTi 1JZ best 1JZ

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42 liter flat 12 turbo diesel 2 stroke.

>>17766031
why are 1UZ's so much cheaper than 1/2JZ's?

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>>17766080
Because they were in 3 very popular vehicles that were made for over 10 years, except the 2nd gen GS
Nothing wrong with that, I want to put a 1UZ VVTi in a RX-8 shell and boost it to hell and back

>>17766118
you know that supercharging it is almost an order of magnitude cheaper right?

>>17766137
Yeah, with the fish plate I know
Keep forgetting about that

>>17766137
What's the best centrifugal that will hook up to it?

>>17766235
>centrifugal
no. you get a cheap ass Eaton off Ebay.

>>17766260
>positive displacement
Ok but
>roots
Come the fuck on anon

>>17766276
you'll spend double the engine price doing a centrifugal set up.

>>17766307
Might as well flip the headers and fab up a manifold then, way better power for the money than any Eaton setup

>no AMC 4.0 liter

>>17763493
Make one transmission automatic, or just combine the clutch and shift linkages.

>>17765598
The early LT1 is literally the worst small block to ever small block.

>>17766006
>posting boat anchors in an engine thread

>>17765614
>>17765624
>>17765967
>posting reverse flow boat anchors

>>17765980
Small block = small cock

Last 15 or so years:

3.7L GM LLR I5 (Pic related)
6.0L GM L96 V8
6.2L FMC "Boss" V8
6.8L FMC "Triton" (3 Valve) V10
2.7L MB OM617 I5
2.7L Toyota 2TR-FE I4

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>>17767355
>Dropped the pic on dubs

End my life senpai

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surprised I didn't see this one

>>17766066
>90 psi of boost

pls

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Be all end all

>>17765980
hows the nova doing friend

>>17767649
>8V
>SOHC
>God tier

I love it, but no

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Will rev to 9000 all day until it seizes on your way home from buying more oil.

>>17753699

Nice miata bro.

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>>17761895
All of my this

>>17767355
>6.8L FMC "Triton" (3 Valve) V10

That fuel guzzling, spark plug shooting, gutless piece of shit? Yeah Nah.

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Highly underrated

Shit will run forever and is more motor than most people with a truck will ever use. Unfortunately the gearing on trucks with it was...well not chosen well...at all...even a little...srsly 3.21 gears?

>>17767355
>3.7L GM LLR I5
Please justify this in comparison to it's contemporary equivalents.

>>17767892
Guess you never witnessed the power of the almighty Lima
https://youtu.be/Uf1ShwOousI

>>17753858
That's a 180° V12 though

This old guy doesn't even flinch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gP2KKMa5As

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>>17770789
noice

>>17769256
Decent power and torque, more reliable than the I6 Atlas. It was better than the 3.5, and unfortunately it saw limited production from 2007 to 2012.

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Everybody move aside, Twingo god tier coming right up

>>17770789
Judging by his proximity to the headers, he's likely deaf.

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Will it ever be topped?

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13b

https://youtu.be/A9RELD4ucfg?t=3m50s

The modified Zvezda M503 As used by the Dragon Fire team.

It doesn't look to impressive by itself if you've never seen tractor pulls, until you see how comparatively bad (weigh distribution probably) 2-3-4 turbine engines competitors do, or 4x supercharged V10's etc.

>>17753630
300hp 4cyl
>shit design
>no benefits
>annoying to change spark plugs

good design, lowering a vehicles centre of gravity, go back to your ls1 fag.

>>17753679
Yes daddy!

>>17772257
>300hp 4cyl
wowitsnothing.jpg

>lowering a vehicles centre of gravity
There's still an oil pan under there, so the crank centerline can't be any lower. It's only the heads that are lower, which makes for only a marginally lower CoG. Meanwhile, the whole engine becomes so wide you have to compromise the suspension into struts for it to fit. Add to that Subaru (or Audi) engine positioning, way over the front axle, and all that lower CoG does is terminally understeer.

>>17772170
confirmed god tier

also just throwing this madman's engine in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2IFWveYBRs

1400hp n/a, 15.7 liter 12 rotor wankel engine
>will it fit in my miata?

>>17755816
needs to be a 265

>>17772170
>>17772272
I5 is literally a shittier engine. None of the packaging of an I4, none of the balance of an I6, heavy as fuck (even compared to an I6), and pitiful power density.

Volvo should have never abandoned them, and you can't call something a Quattro without an I5T though.

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>>17753586
no turbo buick v6? why not?

>>17772285
That setup looks rather nice, never heard of it though. Elaborate please?

>>17765412
first r18s are actual shit though anon.

first for briggs and stratton

>>17772757
I just had to replace my head gasket on a 3 year old B&S engine, that had barely any hours on it.

Biggest piece of shit engines ever.

>>17772283
Shut your fucking whore mouth.

>>17753586
2zz

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You fucking suck /o/

>>17772318
The engine from the GNX.

>>17773112
Read the second sentence.

T5 engines are objectively shit, but they're still great.

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This thing. They only put it in trailblazers and rebadges, but it was way better than the shit 3.5-3.7 I5 in the Colorados that cocked out.

>>17753955
The front body panel goes on right before the race.

>>17773086
but they're cheap af
you could compare them to a sbc in that way

>>17773155
Except the 3.7 actually fixed the gasket issue and was more reliable than the other I5 and the I6 Atlas.

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There's only 1 god tier engine faggots

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>>17753586

>>17773155
this would be a good engine to swap in various cars. too bad there aren't any here in Yurop. also, no manual transmission that bolts straight up?

>>17773086
meanwhile the 30 year old B&S in my lawnmower still works as good as new

>>17773947
If the Atlas uses the same bell housing as the 3.5/3.7, then the Aisin AR-5 from the Chevy Colorado/GMC Canyon or Hummer H3 should do the trick, but if you have a choice get the Hummer version because it has better hardened syncros

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Umm, guys.