Can we have a mitsubishi thread? I really like them and want

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>>17751069
>Can we have a mitsubishi thread?

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isn't it sex?

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>>17751080
how could someone consider this dumpster trash

>>17751069
Mitsubishi? The television manufacturer? What di they have to do with cars?

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>>17751113
They used to make very cool cars

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Shitsubishi should just give up and commit Sudoku already. They insult us by trying to shovel this garbage onto the market.

>>17751126
cool WRX bro

>>17751139
I choose to believe they do this so they can pay for better cars in the future.

>>17751153
>Exec 1: Lets build a new eclipse.
>Exec 2:Lets make it a crossover!
>Exec 3: That's what the millennials like, right?
...
>actually does it

Yeah, you keep living in your fantasy land. Mitsubishi is too far gone man. They're just building shitty crossovers and the mirage now.

>>17751094

It is ultra rare.

>>17751193
It's unfortunate but at least I still have the older ones.

>>17751193
they aren't Porsche

they killed everything but econoboxes.

>>17751234
*in North America
Their factory 4x4s are fantastic. I just hope their excellent but aging 4M41 in the Montero is replaced by the 4P1x diesel doing the rounds in the Fuso Canters.

I daily an evo.


No regrets

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these are cool but i dont think i'd really want to own one

>>17751801
I hear 3k gts (GTO) have a lot of electrical problems, otherwise they were top.
Honorable mention for the Starion.

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I don't think they're too bad, I drive a Mitsubishi Colt and it's pretty fun. Sad to see the state that the company is in however, they always did make some sweet looking cars back in the 90's.

>>17751817
Starion was similarly as bad, albeit for other issues.
And you're right, they tried too hard with fancy knick-knacks on the GTO.

>>17751337
dad is that you?

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I dd this Mitsubishi was good

>>17751323
ok, I can definetly give you that

I just cant imagine the '17 mirages are selling well in the USDM

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>>17751801
>>17751817
>>17751969
despite how cool the 3000GT VR4s were, they had so many goddamn problems that id feel safer and more confident in a land rover discovery.

the AWD system could sometimes malfunction and lock up all tires, and this most often occurred at highway speeds. also, mitsu had a habit of plugging their ears and pretending nothing was wrong and no recalls would need to be issued.

>>17752041
My ex had one of the pre-facelifts GTO's, 4th gear exploded cruising on the motorway, 6 weeks later Mitsi gave her a new box. 2 days after that was installed, the flywheel shattered.
They're a nice car, a bit heavy and eat gas but not too bad. I'd just never buy one except on Gran Turismo.

>>17751113
different company

Mitsubishi makes the best angry cars. At least it used to,

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>>17752072
>ANGERY

>>17751337
model and year?

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>>17751323
>Their factory 4x4s are fantastic.

The new pajero sport looks awful, who thought those rear lights were acceptable?

In an alternate universe, Mitsu is making epic hybrid rally cars with precise wheel speed control instead of "lol lock the rears in hairpins".

>>17752446
>too poor to afford an SUV so I'm going to sourgrape

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thig

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>>17751069
perfect thread

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>>17751069
I don't care how bad it is, I still want one.

>>17752446
I personally beg the differ, and reckon the whole thing looks fantastic. Although I agree it's an unconventional design that does cause contention.

But then if something as trivial as styling is your only complaint, then I'll still chalk that up as a win.

>>17751139
Don't they already have the fucking Outlander Sport? why do they need another subcompact crossover?

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>>17751069

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I have an old motor trend magazine that has an ad that is relevant to this thread today. Too bad pretty much all of Mitsubishi's new cars in the US market aren't that interesting (I guess the Lancer is alright, too bad they got rid of the evo)

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>>17751139
Oh my god that's probably the ugliest rear end I've ever seen

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>>17753200
Here's a better scan

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>>17753223
Inside when you unfold it.

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My friend's dad got him an '09 Lancer hatchback as his first car. Are these things any good? I don't want him to talk shit about my car and brag about how his car is 11 years newer than mine and how it has a 6-speed so it's faster.

>yes, it's an automatic
>yes it's the base model
>yes, he's going to add an aftermarket muffler, wheels, and suspension

>>17753296
Base model Lancers (even the Ralliart) are pretty much just shittier Imprezas.

>>17753202
Subtle Pontiac AzteK vibes here and there.

>>17752356

06 MR

>>17752020

No but I am disappoint anyway

>>17751069

I think I speak for everyone when I say that I love Mitsubishi, but they're such trash nowadays. After the LanEvo died they died too.

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I absolutely adore the Eclipse 4G. What a gorgeous car. Too bad they weren't sold here in Germany.

Yes, it's FWD. Yes, it may be a bit slow and heavy. I don't care. It's beautiful. I'd buy 5 in 5 different colors for each day.

Maybe one day I'll import one, though the costs would be insane compared to what I could buy instead.

They closed their plant in Illinois and my family business suffered as a result.

Fuck them.

>>17752034
Yeah, but your rebadged Sebring is not one of the good ones. The last good Mitsu was the Evo IX, the last good Eclipse was the 2G DSM.

>>17751801
They're excellent cars...when they're working. My old roommate had one. He once let slip that he'd spent at least 10k on repairs over the years, which I think it what he paid for it in the first place.

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This a good deal?
https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/cto/d/2016-mitsubishi-lancer-es/6273938008.html

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>>17755865
Posting rare Evo III ute

In related news, Mitsubishi Owner's Day was in Philly over the weekend. Didn't go this year but MOD a best.

Also the release of the Eclipse Cross is the absolute wrong direction Nissan should be taking Mitsubishi.

In good spirits of this thread because I love good ole Mitsu I'm gonna post dank Mitsus

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>>17756000
Trips Diamonds Confirmed

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I want one, it's not fair

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MIVEC>VTEC

>>17756031
They're not the same thing

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>>17756035
No, they're not. One is smooth between efficiency and performance.

>>17756051
Yeah, i-VTEC

>>17756035
Very similar actually, here are the minor differences between them on a Mitsubishi forum funny enough
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/04-06-ralliart-general/339485-mivec-vs-vtec-wtf.html

Seems actual Mitsubishi owners can appreciate both systems instead of flinging shit

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>>17756080

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>>17756064
You can accept it as subjective.

>>17751139
Is this the return of the AMC Eagle?!?

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Can't have a Mitsu thread without the Chan.
https://track4.mixtape.moe/ircdnx.webm

>>17752446
>>17752546
I don't know what they cost or how they are as vehicles, but those tail lights look like they're crying blood.

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>>17756118
Thunderbolt will forever be my favorite /o/ movie. Mitsubishi fanwank with Jackie Chan fight scenes.

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>>17756118
Has a good handful of custom built Mitsubishi's

>>17756000
Evo ute is cute.

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Why do I really fucking love the 3door

>>17755893
>40k miles in ONE YEAR

>>17751139
>women and beta males unironically buy this inbred cumstain of a "vehicle"
Fucking why niggers
If you want off-road get an off-road vehicle, not some """""sporty""""" minivan

>>17756064
>i-VTEC
>activates harsh at 7000rpm with a 7500rpm rev limit
Well done Honda. Retards.

>>17756121
Montero Sport. Literally an SUV version of an L200/Triton. Priced about 10% cheaper than the fullsize Montero.

>>17756530
>I have no idea what I'm talking about: the post

>>17756584
Right back at you faggot. Have you ever actually owned anything with i-VTEC?

>>17756620
Sadly I only drove a Porsche. But my mom's Accord does have a K24 and I'm familiar with it

>>17756629
My old CL9 too had a K24 (A3 to be specific) of which I set valve clearances twice while I had it. It indeed had the traditional larger cam lobe between the two default lobes on both cams. And these were designed to be engaged, as did with my car, at 7000rpm. 500rpm before rev limit.
I'll wager your mom's never driven you around at 7000rpm to know any different, Mr know it all.

>>17756650
Having said that I will concede those Accord Euros are an absolutely spectacular mid size sedan and better than anything Mitsubishi made of similar size short of an Evolution or RalliArt Lancer... Infact, apart from the power deficit, I'd rate the garden variety CL9 over the RalliArt.

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>>17756544
That Montero Sport is a fucking husk compared to the old timer.

>>17756675
In what way? The PA is completely redundant in the presence of even the PB/PC Sports, let alone the new PS Sport.

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>>17751801
it feels a bit like an evo with a body kit
not sure of its point

>>17755881
my senpaitachi pajeeto cost 3x its purchase price in engine repairs (warped cracked head)
but to be fair it was second hand and covered quite some more miles before it broke

>>17755406
my nigga

>>17756714
Which engine was it?
Sadly as with any alloy headed iron motor, if it only marginally overheats, the best case scenario is a blown head gasket. On another note, friend of mine has a later model SOHC 24v 3.5L that's done just north of 440,000 unopened kilometres, although he's been avoiding the valve stem seals for the last year...

Over here in Ausfaggot land it's usually cheaper and easier to simply buy a second hand motor... With the later NL (usually gen 2.5 blister guard) its easy enough to swap in a later model 3.8

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x-post from the 3 car garage thread, what do you guys think of my choice?

>>17756761
That's a like from me. As much as like the L300 Delica though, the L400 is too much of an upgrade for me to go past.
Dat 4M40

>>17756650
>>17756620
You know that i-VTEC has 3 phases right?

>>17756772
And the third phase is redundant.

>>17756785
Not unless you wanna run at the top end

Mitsubishi also made variants of MIVEC with 3 phases

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>>17756751
been a while
near as I can make out its the 2.5 diesel 4D56
too small and underpowered for the wagon so either v6 seems the better one
and later on the tax on diesel registration made the fuel savings not worth it

nice interior tho
better than what Honda or Toyota offers
a little closer to Nissan in some ways

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BWAAAAAP

>>17756789
>Not unless you wanna run at the top end
...the top 500rpm as governed by the limiter? Pretty useful when second gear is twice as tall as first, dropping you back under 4000rpm. It was only good for achieving a heady marketable peak number on paper. Shame as its otherwise a fantastic engine.
>>17756793
Ah, there you go. The 4D56 really was a bucket of snot. Literally an Astron with a diesel head and high compression pistons. The 2.8l 4M40 is the bee's knees with diesel Montys.

I'd rate the luxury pack GLS on par with a Sahara J80 Landcruiser,just a bit smaller.
The Montero is basically a Prado size wagon with a Landcruiser sized drivetrain.

>>17756848
Isn't peak power without sacrificing the bottom end drivability the whole point of variable valve timing? No soccer mom is ever going to redline their econobox

>>17756848
>>17756785
3 cam profiles let you have a smoother transition between profiles so you don't have that sudden jolt of it kicking in but still get the same power gains
Honda was working on a continuously variable cam profile, no idea what happened to that

>but what's the point in an econobox
There isn't any. We should all just stick to old designed that chock up at the higher end right?

>>17756875
>Isn't peak power without sacrificing the bottom end drivability the whole point of variable valve timing?
Maybe if the peak power is actually usable as opposed to flashing up for a fraction of a second to attain a dyno number... Unless you enjoy showing off the factory figures in your handbook more than driving the thing.
The only thing i-VTEC does is bump you into the rev limiter quicker than expected.

>>17756901
There's only two profiles you clown.

>>17753296
I have the Sedan 09 Lancer. Lancers aren't fast, but they're relatively beefy in the engine for their size and weight so they'll climb a hill or tow a light load just fine. It's also a pretty standard DOHC engine and CVT transmission so repairs won't really cripple you if needed.

Mileage is pretty decent, I get 7 litres/100km if I'm driving without heavy traffic. It's a pretty featureless interior and doesn't have a lot of nice little extras, but all the standard quality of shit like power windows, aircon, heating etc is obviously there. Not a bad car for what I paid. Definitely a capable and economical commuter that looks a little more special than a Corolla.

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>>17756901
later versions of vtec can move only two of the valves into high lift and duration
.eg the pin only engages the centre and one of the two fingers

>>17757104
That sounds pretty neat. Any source?

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>>17753359
>>17756919
Thanks for the info!

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>>17757192
its a little hard to pin down

Valve Idling
http://blog.caranddriver.com/timing-changes-how-hondas-vtec-variable-timing-system-works/

and here is a two to four valve operation
http://www.triodriver.com/preporucujemo/vtec/
http://www.triodriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/vtec_triodriverblog_02.jpg

but what I can remember sounds abit like
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VTEC#VTEC-E

or
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-stage_VTEC
that has parts of VTEC-E operation built into it

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my evo 5

>>17757104
Higher end K series motors still use 3 phases, or used to before turbos

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>>17756904

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>>17757455
Show me the three cam profiles you fucking mongoloid

>>17755865
Can you tell me where i said my car was good?

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>>17757518

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>>17756901
>>17757455
>>17757518
3 stages dipshits

>>17757533
>profiles=stages
Lol
>not an i-VTEC
Try again fuck face.

>bitching about VTEC in a Mitsubishi thread

>>17757551
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol3nWQbatrQ

Pretty sure the other guy meant to say stages instead of profiles but whatever

>>17757589
And the conversation also stemmed from i-VTEC specifically... which is simply continuous timing advance and a single cam jump.

>>17757607
>The performance i-VTEC system is basically the same as the DOHC VTEC system of the B16A's; both intake and exhaust have 3 cam lobes per cylinder. However, the valvetrain has the added benefit of roller rockers and continuously variable intake cam timing

>>17757616
uh, yeah? And?

>>17757622
>3 cam lobed per cylinder for intake and exhaust
>somehow only a single cam jump according to you

I think you're thinking about the economy i-VTEC system
>The economy i-VTEC K20A3/K24A4 engines is more like the SOHC VTEC-E in that the intake cam has only two lobes, one very small and one larger, as well as no VTEC on the exhaust cam

>>17757633
>3 cam lobed per cylinder for intake and exhaust
Are you implying those three lobes have their own profiles?
And I'm referring specifically to the "i-VTEC" system on the K24A3.

>>17757640
It's almost as if the K series is a DOHC engine and has a separate came for the intake and exhaust valves or something...

>>17757640
You mean the economy variant of i-VTEC that only has camlobes on the intake side and no VTEC on the exhaust side?

>>17757651
Er, my K24 definitely had VTEC on both intake and exhaust camshafts... Three lobes on each camshaft per cylinder, with the two outers identical default lobes with the single middle performance lobe.
Again, that's on each camshaft.
And again, there's only one single phase to the performance lobe. Not a staged "one then two valve" jump.
...Where does this motor fit on the scale?

>>17757678
So something like this >>17757533?

You know there are multiple intake valves per cylinder right?
>low rpm, one valve cracks open
>mid rpm, both valves crack open
>high rpm, both valves open fully
Wow, 3 stage VTEC

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>>17751081
its a copy of the e39

>>17757688
>So something like this
"Like", yes. Exactly, no. The locking pins are literally engaged across all three rocker arms on each each camshaft in one single movement.
Again; up until 7000rpm, all valves follow default lobes. Over 7000rpm, all VTEC pins are engage and all valves follow the middle lobe. Where is that mysterious third stage?

>>17757945
High lift lobes are active at 6000rpm
single lobe is active under 2200rpm

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>>17757941
>copy

More like E36 coppied this

>>17757979
e36 and e39 and z3 were designed by a japanese guy he mightve done mitsubishis i dunno

>>17757960
Given the valves are actuated by a roller rocker that is in contact with the default lobes, I don't see how that's possible unless the rockers magically disappear at idle, only to reappear at 2200rpm.

>>17758002
Yes anon they magically disappear

>>17751069
>Has there been a cooler Jap brand?
Mazda

>>17753200
>>17753223
>>17753254
thinking emoji

>>17756530
>>17756650
>>17757945
>VTEC engaging at 7000rpm
>when several variants of the K24 have 7100rpm redlines

How does it feel to not have any idea what you're talking about?

>>17758006
You have no other explanation?

>>17758035
You won't listen to any explanation so I'm not going to waste my energy any further

>>17758029
Oh yes, mine redlined just after 7000rpm with the limiter coming in at 7500rpm. That was my whole point you fucking mouth breather.

>>17758067
And you still think VTEC engages at 7000 rpm? How stupid are you?

>>17758067
I'll correct myself, it was engaged at 6000rpm. Which given the wide gearing was near on useless.
>>17758041
I've been listening to you misinterpreting your own copy/paste posts, and that's about it.
Still care to explain how my engine dropped a valve under 2200rpm? As I'm genuinely interested to see how I missed that. Given that when you hand rotate said engine both camshafts turn, with all lobes being fixed, with all default lobes running the fixed rockers that in turn open every single valve.
I'm aware Honda used such a VTEC system you're trying to describe in some of their motorcycles for a brief period (namely some VFR800s), but that is not the case in this particular example.

>>17758109
Hondata flash drops VTEC engagement to 4500rpm, stop being a mangina

>>17758067
you're fucking stupid if you think vtec engages at 7k RPM

lmao

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>>17756761
I approve. If I had access to mspaint id post one but Id Daily an EVO 8 MR, weekend warrior a built 6G75 MIVEC AWD boosted 3g eclipse, and garage baby and car show the fuck out of a Pride and Joy Evo 4.5 coupe

>>17757314
Excellent. Evo 4-6 a best

Also I love the half educational half shitposting MIVEC/VTEC banter that makes half this thread