Suzuki Swift

>>17724361
Because theres no need to have small cars when your single lane is the size of two lanes in europe.

>>17724370
what about fun

because it's the land of free but you're not really free desu

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Post things Bugers cant have.

>>17724376
Civic, mx5, golf, focus, fiesta. Plenty of them

>>17724383
>Civic, golf, focus
2big4me

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>>17724381

>>17724361
Just economics I suppose. Only 3% of Americans could fit in one of these and so from a profit and loss perspective it didn't make sense.

>>17724387
Yeah, well, thank those people who forced safety ratings. Newer cars are bigger on outside but smaller on the inside. No ones going to import car just for you. Fiesta looks good to me.

>>17724402
>No ones going to import car just for you

very sad...

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>>17724389
why are u doing this to me m8

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Do Americans get the Jimny?

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>>17724451

>>17724458
We don't get any Suzuki, it's fucking bullshit.

>>17724383
aside the miata those cars are fucking boats

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only real swift.
the other is just a car with a swift badge but it aint.

>>17725617

ayy, ive got a blue Geo Metro im rebuilding right now. Engines getting a complete overhaul, and itll need new shocks. Its a great little shitbox.

>>17725642
if its the geo metro thats actually a swift why not get swift hood and lights? or is it that one with the retard bug eye tail lights.

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>>17724381

>>17724361
Suzuki's car division pulled out of the US because nobody was buying them.

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>>17724381

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>>17724381
It literally fucking hurts

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>>17726928
Outside of the rear suspension not being as good as the SVT it's pretty much the real rebirth of the MK1 Focus. Since the Mk3 is pigfat

I promise I'm not trolling or being a dick or anything here.

But do men in Europe unironically drive what's being posted here?

How can women find someone driving in one of these toy cars at all attractive?

I'm not trying to start anything, but I mean, really?

>>17726961
Most guys who drive the Fiesta ST have it between 290 and 400hp.

Which is rather fucking silly in a 2600lb kart.

>>17726988
>Most guys who drive the Fiesta ST have it between 290 and 400hp.

>400 HP

Sigh.... No, they dont. Anyone that serious about power gets at least a Focus ST or RS GTI or Golf R. . the 1.6 in the fiesta is not making 400hp under any circumstances.

Most of them have some cobb tune stage 1 or 2 and stage 1 only picks up 2 hp and 19 ft/lbs.

Suffice to say the fiesta ST is not a tuners car. Its nice cheap tossable car but no one is making 290 HP, at least not without a turbo swap.

>>17727036
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO1iNG_ipaM

Actually they do, As it doesn't require jack shit to get the car more powerful.

Also who wants a car that weighs 3200lbs+ vs 2600.

Seriously, those cars are fucking pigfat and also have literal garbage tier rear suspension. At least the shitty suspension in the Fiesta is countered by its light weight.

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>>17724361
We got the Aerio's which are basically the same but with a bigger engine. There's always the SX4 too though it's barely a Suzuki technically.

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>>17724381

>>17727048

>293 BHP.
>Hybrid Turbo
>Literal shit ton of mods $$$ + labor.
>reliability, there is none, not a daily driver.
>Stage 4.

GTI
>316HP/381 TQ crank and dynos 290+ WHP.
>APR Stage 1.
>$600, thats it.

Also, one of the top comments:
> With all the mods on this and the price of it new, he should've just got a Golf 7R.


Look, I know its fun to mod "muh fiesta ST" beyond reason because well, who doesn't like modding. But lets be real, it makes zero financial sense and you are modding it to its absolute maximum limits at 293 HP. You will not find "most guys" driving a stage 4 hybrid turbo fiesta. You're gonna find that one guy and its only 293 hp. Not sure where your 400 hp claim came from.


I dont have to tell you that better cars exist for less money that would serve the purpose (hot hatch/modding/performance).

>>17727180
>goal posting

>>17724361
>check price list
>starting at 14k€ for the base model, going up over 20k€ for the 111hp 6-speed-auto
>sport will be like 22k€ before options

I figure nobody in the US would buy a $24k fwd ecobox which will be slower than a brz?

>>17727232
Im just being real.

Your local vape lord (or "most guys") in a FiST does not fucking run 290-400 hp. Thats the point.

Anyway, it doesn't matter any more. Ford changed the engine to a fucking 1.5 liter 3 cylinder (a big FU to modders). and it wont even be available in the US anymore.

>>17727246
>well the majority won't mod it
This applies to all vehicles jack ass. Nice strawman though.

>>17726937
Yeah the Titanuim hatch is pigfat but the a MK3 SE Sedan (sedan model is lighter than the hatch) 2.0l with 5-speed manual weights the same and makes the same power than the old MK1 SVT and retains the god-tier IRS the Focus is well known for.

>>17727249
And just like you can mod it, you can mod the better platforms ( FoST, GTI, etc...).....

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>>17727256
>160 hp @ 6500
SVT is 170 @ 7200
> 2,960 lbs
SVT is 2750

>>17724370
We also have them in australia

>>17727265
You can get the 20 extra HP on the Mk3 with a flash and CAI.
> 2,960 lbs

That's the hatch, sedan is lighter.

>>17727269
Yeah but you can do the same to the Mk1 right?

>>17725642
K20 it

>>17726961
Heavily depends on what part of Europe we talkin about. Im from Eastern side, so theres not much of these hot hatches. Generally A6, 5 series and Passats. Our roads are not as narrow as in France or UK and theres no taxes on power/displacement, so we can afford both bigger and faster vehicles than 1.3l quad turbo pocket rockets. In Western europe, I THINK hatches are more popular. Less space, more people overall, tight roads, taxes on power.

>>17727509
Here in spaghettiland half of the cars are small hatches. No other choice really when the streets are as wide as grocery store lanes. Also you won't find anything particularly powerful because anything past 250hp is taxed like crazy here and 20-30 yo can't really afford it ..

>>17727685
Also Eastern europe here
Easily over half of the cars are hatches(youngster) and wagons(elders)
~1/4th are sedans owned by businessman wannabes
Rest is mostly coupes for people with middle-age crisis and racebois(most of the second group will sell it in the first year because of insurance costs)

Woops, >>17727724 meant for >>17727509
, Not >>17727509

>>17727727
I'm fucking retarded

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>>17724381
They got so close, too.

>>17727234
Probably includes VAT and a bunch of other taxes.

>>17726961
Yes, women in Europe are attracted to men whose sexual identity isn't based on transport.

We used to get the swift, hell you can still get a geo metro used.
Also Suzuki was cheap shitbox stuff people no longer wanted once koreans and Americans started to increase their quality.

>>17728023
19% VAT, yes
There are no other taxes I'm aware of

>>17728158
Which country are you getting prices from? Germany?
You could probably compare prices before and after VAT of a Fiesta ST and see how much difference that makes.

>>17724381
this is fake.

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>americans dont get this mega qt
shame. happy little car with a high revving 1.6 thats pretty nice to drive

>>17729909
You can only get the new Twingo as a GT version (120 hp), no RS version.

But it still has Renault Sport badges all over it.

>>17727269
>that's the hatch
No, the hatch is 3200.

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>>17724361

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>>17724361
>>17731858

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>>17724361
>>17731858
>>17731865

t. very satisfied owner of a 2013 swift sport

>it's another "Europoors pretend their 1.3L econoboxes are of value" episode

>>17731878
The base model would be the swift sport would be priced sold for like 15k in Canada but they the newer one wont get the 1.6 instead they are getting a cuck tier 1l turbo and nothing else.

>>17727509

You forgot that most drive like idiots and "muh germun badge".