Rally

>>17706195
Pic obviously related

Grou b obv
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiTtgq2Pcow

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>>17706233
>group meme
wrong

>>17706233
>t-they were so fast that they just kept killing themselves! obviously its the best, amrite?

>>17706306
>yeah, the new wrc is much faster and totally harder than old group b and a.

>>17706255
The only good thing that came out from group a was pic related and tme evo. Ford and corolla were nothing compared to rs 200,mg megtro, 037 and other cars from that era.

>>17706511
New WRC cars are much faster than any Group B "monster".
The difference is new WRC cars are stupidly fast thanks to technology advances, Group B cars were stupidly fast because they had way too much power for their own good and the drivers were complete madmen.

>>17706519
Yeah cause they have lots of electronical helps that didn't even existed back in the day. I would die to see some modern wrc driver drive an Audi quattro or a 037

>>17706525
They would be able to with ease, are you blind to the fact that they are still amazing drivers?

>>17706540
I highly doubt that they can.

>>17706525
what electronic helps do you think they have you donkey

>>17706255
That 306 Maxi is mean AF

>>17706577
You don't follow racing very much, do you?

GROUP B

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>>17706233

>>17706615
Enjoy your boring and souless wrc

>>17706306
Yes.
If you're not plowing through spectators and sacrificing drivers to the god of traction every race, you're some kind of commie (not the cool rally lada kind either.)

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>there are people who bitch about current WRC
>they bitch saying how they miss when cars had no traction control, stability control or ABS
>FIA WRC rules specifically state no computer related assistance

How to tell a poser thread?

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>>17706591
>>17706519

> Appendix J – Article 255A, 5.1.1, E. Any electronic driving aid system is prohibited (ABS / ASR / EPS…).

http://www.fia.com/regulation/category/119

Do you even follow racing?

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1960-1965

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I made these for a /o/ webm thread but I'll dump em here

>>17708999
Are you really comparing the difficult of driving a modern focus wrc against a 037?

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>>17709279
>got BTFO about electronics
>now goalposts
Just admit it, you don't follow WRC, you never have. You are just a poser.

Reminder that /ovg/ has a league for wannabe dirt rallyists.

https://www.dirtgame.com/us/leagues/league/15874/ovgwrc

>>17709287
>b-but I swear wrc is better!
Fucking wrcuck. You are the poser, enjoy your shittier races.

50-70's were cool but slow as fuck

shit got real and fucking crazy in the 80's and the 90's was lit the new stuff now doesn't appeal to me like the older stuff did, just not interested in the current line up, safety regs also neutered some aspects of it too

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>>17709039
>lada mating dance

2017 has been fantastic so far

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>>17706516
>The only good thing that came out from group a was pic related and tme evo
>not the Escort Cosworth
>not the Delta
>not the old '95 Impreza
>not the Celica

>implying the only cars that matter in group b isn't the S4 Delta, Quattro or 205

>>17708999
>electronic driver aids are the only technology advances since the fucking '80s

>>17712082
Even the stratos was in group a, if I remember right.
Well yeah they were the cars that won more, but cars such as the mg metro, renault 5 maxi turbo, ford rs 200 and others were really good.

>>17708999
Uh, which is the pdf where it says that? Can you screencap it?

>>17712113
don't think so, the longest the stratos was in rally was till the late 70s in group 4 for the WRC iirc

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>>>/wsg/1827618

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>>17712275
That's some funny shit

>>17711098
Thanks. Never saw this due to all the fucking shitposting.

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>>17712125
The 2016 255A PDF

>>17712093
Outside of tires there haven't been much advancement in the last 20 years of suspension work.

>>17711098
That hasn't been active in nearly a year.

>>17706195
To get all the purists and technologists riled up and fighting each other, implying left and right, you asked the correct question. There are strengths and weaknesses to each era.

I think a new question is in order... what is the worst rally class era?

Mine is Group N

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>>17706586

Right now

>>17713210
They're active right now.

>>17713335
>active right now
I don't consider 1 event out of 36 months "active"

>>17713335
Also who cares about it? the top board is usually some faggot who spent 10 hours running the course over and over before finally setting his time.

>>17713431
>he cant run a respectable time in one try so he talks smack
Apply yourself drivelet

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Mid-Late 90s, because in Canada we can get very similar cars on the cheap from Japan and drive them on the road.

>>17713460
Are you new to Dirt Rally? That's all anyone does for the no reset tracks. They see the track and the car go to a single event and run it over and over and over until they have it memorized.

It's why its so poorly designed.

>>17706525
>I would die
So would they

>>17713479
60 hours and counting, no idea what you're on about desu, i can make poll/podium on most of my leauges by doing blind runs, aswell as finishing in the upper quarter during the dailies.
And if what you're saying is true, what's stopping you from copying them and out-driving them if you want the win so badly?

>>17713507
Simply put, I would rather work on my actual car then spend hours on hours perfecting a single course so I can get my epeen in a game no one gives a fuck about.

>>17713492
Underated

>>17706233
>that beat to shit m1 trying to rally
M O I S T

>>17713507
>tfw I wanna play dirt rally so bad but I can't cause I have a potato pc

>>17706306
>implying the spectators standing in the road and getting killed wasn't an excuse to kill group B as the manufacturers wanted while the drivers wanted to keep driving
Follow the money.

>>17713514
Then good for you, but dont lambast other players simply because they beat you.
>>17713527
I'm running it fine on a single core, though i also have an R9 270x to back it up, so it's bottleneck city for me.
Codies games have always been very undemanding if you ask me

>>17713546
Anon, you must be really very new to the game if you honestly think a driver is 30 seconds faster than another without practing the track before hand.

>>17708959
I usually bitch about the tiny chassis rule change making all the cars samey as well as the homologation rule changes meaning none of these things should even be allowed to rally in the first place.
>subcompact shitbox a vs subcompact shitbox b
>with a body kit you'll never see and power trains that exist solely in WRC
This shit is gayer than fucking aids.

>>17712082
>implying the groub b porsches don't give me violent erections

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>>17713572

>>17713561
Circumstances.
If i can make top 200 globally on KB+M, with the Kadett no less, then surely someone with a radical VR wheel setup can glass my time like nothing.
Or am i just naturally modest or something

>>17713588
Ayy tryhard KB+M crew. Though I do Assetto Corsa.

>>17713588
>top 200 globally
>205 people play the game
Not much to be proud of.

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>>17713588
>top 200
Not really saying much

>>17713603
I did the first 20-30 hours of the game on KB+M, after that i decided to get a cheap off-brand gamepad because my fingers were getting a bit tired of the tapdancing.
>>17713613
>>17713618
Those times start from the games incecption though, iirc there are more than 10k recorded times in that leaderboard.

>>17713621
>2 years since release
>only 10k records
Yup, dead game is dead. your position doesn't mean much

>>17713629
>game is dead
It's not dota m8. Niche games are niche.

>>17713629
Top 2%, dunno about you anon but in my book that's quite ridgeydidge.

>>17713621
I got a gamepad a while back as well but I just couldn't get used to it. Tried for a week but I couldn't even drift, not to mention hotlap so I haven't touched it since. I'll probably get myself a decent wheel someday but I wanna get a bike before that and university isn't helping the financial situation.

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>>17713651
>top 2%
Wow, I mean that's amazing you are top 200 out of 10,000 players.

Come back to me when you are top 200 out of several million.

Why isn't rally a major thing in America?
You have diverse climates and terrains for race stages.
Was it because your cars were too big?
Or locals believing that itsy bitsy cars have no place off asphalt and should leave the dirt to trucks?

>>17713663
Well with your help Anon, we might be able to get together a community drive to have more people play the game, that way i can push to 2% out of 10m aswell!
>>17713662
I have a history of console racing aswell so i suppose that kinda juts me in the right direction while on gamepad.
The only time i've ever tried a wheel was back in like 2007 on a friends old PS2, was a hunk of junk though.

>>17713665
Because legal reasons. It's not because we don't get the cars, it's not because it's expensive to move them.

It's purely legal ramifications of spectators getting injured. That is it.

Here in the US we have the most bullshit lawsuit system for injuries and property damage. FIA will not touch it.

>>17713665
Because stock car racing morphed into going around a damn ring.

>>17713989
>Because stock car racing morphed into going around a damn ring.
With cars that don't even remotely resemble the production cars they're supposed to be "based on" besides the branding.

Sad.

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>>17706195

Group B

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>>17706516
>Ford and corolla were nothing compared to rs 200

oh come on

>>17714101
>people claim gas tanks can't explode

>>17714432
just mention the Pinto to them next time

>>17714101
and people say cars exploding in movies is fake

>>17706516
Thanks for recognizing the Evo TME was legendary. ;)

But I agree, group a wasnt at all the best time for rally, but it had its gems.

>>17713681
yet, Pikes Peak exist, with the spectators all getting a full view of the cars crashing into ditches or going at full speed past them. And the US do get some rally events here and there. they just don't get enough traction for some reason. I don't think organizers would be allergic to making events in the US just because of that

>>17706519
>they had way too much power for their own good and the drivers were complete madmen.

Your opinion is trash.

>>17715196
I would like to drive one so bad..

>>17706541
Holy fuck you are ignant

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>>17715196
>>17716520
>when you drive one everyday
evo 5/6 really are the best evo's

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>>17716589
>>17712275

>missed the 90s

fucking hold me car culture will never be the same

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>>17714015
Such a shame, I would watch the shit out of real production "stock" cars racing each other. Sounds really fun

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My favorite rally moment is when Makinen ripped a wheel off and they had to chase down his three-wheeled Evo V to let him know he's DQ'd because it was illegal to drive on the roads dragging half of a car corpse. It was a glorious scene.

>>17716877
Another glorious one was when wes tommi was leading the championship and he had to just finish the rally, but somehow he managed to fuck up. So he retired. Sainz corolla was 500m away to finish the race when the engine broke. This kinda predicted toyota legacy at le mans

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>>17706195
pre 1970s
has more road cars
1990s devolved into a two horse race

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>nonconformist teens on /o/ are hating on group B now

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>>17717081
wht chu knw bout tit ?

>>17716877
>>17717008
it was the same event
Great Britain round of WRC 1998

>>17716829
You can go watch stock cars racing in pretty much any Motorsport branch any day, it's boring as all fuck.
There is a reason why the only place where stock cars race nowadays is the amateur scene.

It's heaps of fun for the people involved because, you know, they are racing and not spending a fortune, but the races don't really have much show value. It's a bunch of slow-ish cars with a bunch of amateur drivers. People don't give a shit about Average Joes racing random cars.

>>17713201
>Outside of tires there haven't been much advancement in the last 20 years of suspension work.
LOL
Yes there has. Cars are way more planted.

http://youtu.be/NAOyWHq2ts0

Divine

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best era

>>17717994
Suspensions haven't changed anon. The tuning has yes, But that isn't technical.

The biggest change in all motorsports is tire technology and damn near nothing else.

>>17718334

Shock absorbers have advanced quite a bit since then. The group B cars had quite a bit of rebound to worry about compared to modern WRC machines.

>>17718334
Brakes, Dampers, springs, Packers and bump stops have all evolved during the years and it isn't just "theoretical" tuning as you seem to imply.
Materials and construction techniques have also changed, not to mention all the clever solutions to speed up the replacement of parts during service.

Just because a McPherson is still a McPherson doesn't mean everything inside the suspension hasn't changed in the last 30 years