Thoughts on the SFR concept?

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Btw dis oc.

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Peeked it at Megaweb

From FR-S to S-FR.Toyota really can make up great names.

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>>17699991
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>>17699982
>4 persons
How?

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>>17700000
Back seats fit 2 dakimakura pillows comfortably, nice quints

Looks great imo until you get to the ass. Front fascia could use revision too perhaps

>>17699978
I dont really like the look of it, but I love the idea of a lower cost 86

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Rear is definitely weak but I like the proportions overall.

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>>17699978
Toyota Anguri Furogo a cute

would buy

>>17699978
Personally the miata is small enough for me and i don't care for a smaller car than that. why would you even want smaller than a Miata? if you are looking for the lightest tin can possible couldn't you just build a really cheap kit-car and deck it out with whatever creature comforts and 4pot engines you want?

>6 speed manual
>cute boxy proportions
>probably an N/A i4 or i3 with tuning potential

me want
probably wont release it in north america knowing nip manufacturers

>>17700008
if they made it happy instead of angry then it'd be a bit more appealing IMO

>>17700014
a new miata is stupid expensive, this specifically states low cost as one of its defining features

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>>17700014
Someone not on mobile should compare the dimensions to a miata. The interior looked bigger because they didn't have to squeeze in room for a retractable top.

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>>17700000
dank get

>>17700034
slightly longer and taller, slightly skinnier
generally about the same though

>>17700034
ND MX-5:
>http://jalopnik.com/these-are-the-first-official-specs-of-the-2016-mazda-mi-1630375801
>Length: 3915mm
>Width: 1730mm
>Height: 1235mm
>Wheelbase: 2315mm

S-FR:
>http://www.sfrforums.com/forums/showthread.php?10-Toyota-S-FR-tech-specs-revealed-(130-HP-2160-lbs)
>3990 mm length
>1695 mm width
>1320 mm height
>2480 mm wheelbase

the only way they can make it better is a TRD supercharger factory option

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>>17700045
Nice post. It's a good bit wider than miata

>>17699978
>Thoughts on the SFR concept?
Never ever
I adore it though
Tiny bit of hope that they actually go through with it when they retire the gt86 in a couple years

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>make a car designed to go after the miata
>make it fuckugly
>worst color imaginable
>90s archaic bubble styling

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>>17700068
>ugly

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>>17699978
I want my Gazoo noooooooooowwww

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Bonus me not realizing Megaweb is one stop from Comiket and regretting everything.

>>17700083
If you ignore the catfish grill the rest of the car looks very 911

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What the fuck is up with Toyota's fetish with 2+2? If the MR2 came back they'll find a way to put in some useless rear seats.

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>>17700083
This bit is hot. Just make the front and back look less downy.

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>>17700108
>>17700142

>>17699990
>>17699988
Why is it so angry?

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It wont get made.

>>17700154
see:
>>17700159
unfortunately. it will most likely not happen.

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>>17700177
It might happen. It just won't make it to the states...

>>17700188
why is the driver sad?

>>17700177
>>17700188
what is this sorcery

2 consecutive dubs?

>>17700200
This was a get thread in disguise. Nice dub.

>>17700193
Journo knows he'll never see it stateside

>>17700152
I would buy the unliving fuck out of that car.

>>17700014
>miats
>155HP out of a 2litre in 2017
Yeah Toyota can actually make decent power out of their piston engines bud, this car will probably be aimed at people who expect engine technology to have actually advanced in the last 30 years.

>>17699988
oh dear lord, I think this is the first time I have ever laughed at a grill
I didn't want to become this type of person

>>17700142
Agreed, the form looks fantastic, but the design in the front and rear is just retarded.

I would still buy it, tho. Who the fuck cares about how the car looks. Other than women.

>>17700014
>miata
enjoy your women's car, faggot

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>>17699978
>Thoughts on the SFR concept?
I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT SOOOO BAD
For me it's perfect in every single way and I love the styling though it could use a better rear.

When I find out they're not going to sell it in the US I'll probably kill myself.

>>17699978
I'd be interested in it if the bumper cover wasn't 200% grille

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>>17700120
Japan loves 2+2s, the 2+2 s30s are more popular over there while nobody likes them in the US.

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I would buy it if they FUCKING sold it

>>17700031
25k is cheap for a "sports" car in 2017, same price as a new 86.

>>17700492
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>>17700552
Yeah but it weighs like 400lbs

>>17700562
Yeah but that an absolutely shameful amount of power to get out of a 2 litre DOHC "sports" engine in the year of 2017.

>>17700574
But muh balance

>>17700724
But they could have the same balance plus 50HP if they had a clue how to make decent piston engines.

How much would these actually cost?

MX-5s are way too fucking expensive, and even second-hand 86s are still pretty pricey.

If they can get it to the low $20k AUD range I'll buy one.

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>>17700120
This is the best photo I can find showing the rear seats, but they actually look usable.

Somehow, this looks like it has more legroom than an 86.

>>17700000
Japanese people are fucking small

>>17700729
At least they're having a crack. Last time they just outsourced it to another manufacturer and we ended up with 200hp at the crack and a massive torque dip around 4000 rpm.

>>17700778
200 crank horsepower sounds alright, what car was that?

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>>17700781
FRS/GT86. Have you not been paying attention?

>>17700786
Toyota is doing alright, I was ragging on the new miata: 155hp....

>Cute
>Smol-ish
>Manuel
>Right wheel drive
>There are people who don't want Toyota to make it
I just don't get it

>>17700799
My apologies, must of jumbled up posts and thought you were talking about the FRS. I hear the drive-train is very efficient though, less than 10 percent loss. I've been in the 1.5 and honestly its not bad, super responsive.

>>17700818
I'm sure it's a good car but I just don't understand how they can get less power out of a 2 litre DOHC in 2017 than say.... A mid 90's 1.6 litre 4AGE 20v...

>>17700154
Toyota SadFrogReeeeeee

>>17700778
>massive
15% drop for 500rpm "massive"

>>17700000
>2 persons and 2 midgets

This thing is smaller than my Scirocco and even in mine people over 1.7m will barely fit in the rear. Behind me only someone smaller than 1.60m will have enough space.

>>17699978
>buy one
>swap to SR20DET
>...
>win

>>17700885
Is Toyota releasing the supercharged engine from that new Yaris hot hatch?
That would be perfect imo.

>>17700883
The rear seats don't have to be comfortable. They're for the rare times when you do want to carry three passengers for a short distance.

>>17700799
MPG and emissions standards are a bitch. The 86, for instance, gets 24 combined MPG, and is LEV-II, which is not allowable past 2020. The Miata gets 29MPG and is ULEV125, which is barely acceptable past 2020. Things get even tighter in 2025, which is why Mazda is going hard on HCCI.

Yeah I accept that's why the 4UGSE makes less power than the old BEAMS 3SGE, but 155 is too low... is Mazda even trying?
Do they even have variable valve timing?

>>17700895
But there's a difference between being able to carry someone uncomfortably on rare occasions and being able to fit someone in the rear at all.

Regarding the engine: I read it should get some revised na engine from a corolla but that info is pretty old by now.

>>17700933
Are you an idiot? Of course they have VVT.

>>17700933
Why is 155 too low? The car is tiny.

>>17700994
Well then they have no excuse for making such low power.

>>17701177
I'm not saying it's low for the car, but it is low for a performance DOHC 2 litre engine.
Toyota made 200hp out of a 2 litre nearly 20 years ago.
Honda made 240hp!
Mazda makes 155 today..... sad!

>>17701292
That's because those engines make like 10 times the pollution of those old engines and Mazda's engine is tuned for more midrange torque and not peak horsepower, because you're going to be using to mid range in every day driving
Not to mention the ND Miata gets like 40mpg on the highway with a 1:1 top Gear whereas the the S2000 gets only slightly more than half of that with 2 over drives

Oh and stock for stock the ND is faster than an S2000 around a track because its an all around more modern car

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>>17701292

if you want power in the miata get the edlebrock e-force supercharger, which will come with a 3 year $16k drivetrain warranty

s2000 costs $40k in todays money when adjusted for inflation

Miata RF + SC installed is about $40k. $35k if you go for the standard roadster instead.

A TRD of one of these would be cool to do some tuneup on and sick mawds

>>17699982
I'm kind of surprised by the length, it's actually a about 2 inches longer than the Miata.

Still very smol, but I assumed it was shorter.

>>17703170
It's a 2+2 no?

>>17699978
Cute as fuck (no homo)

https://youtu.be/HBxn56l9WcU

Anyone have the edit where it looks happy?

Friendly reminder that the real benefit to the rear """""seats""""" is superior seat adjustability compared to the Miata.

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>>17703205
And insurance, same reason why this turd has 3 doors and a hatch

>>17700857
Closer to 1000 rpm right in the middle of the powerband, nearly every journalist agrees it's significant and noticeable.

>inb4 journalists don't know shit about cars

They know more than you

>>17700120
They fit a couple, and a child seat, with some space to spare. It's perfect for the Japanese lifestyle.

>>17699978
>>17699988
>>17699990
>>17699999
>>17700007

what sort of faggot ass miata and mini roadster lovechild shit is this??

Why the fuck cant the Japanese make real coupe's anymore?

>>17703323
Agree when is jap going to learn.
They need to take school from GM and ford.

>>17703356

You need to take school from an English teacher

>>17701471
s2k being 40k LMAO, honestly americans crack me up. Tfw i can get an s2k tomorrow for like 5k euros. What a life americans live.

>>17703373
he means MSRP when it came out with inflation included to compare it to the prices of modern cars.
irl an s2k is about 6k in us used most times I see them.

>>17703493
alright, but a few weeks ago I saw some guy saying his s2k is worth like 30k or some shit and he wasnt joking.

>>17703205
And storage space.

>>17703373
tell me where to find one for that price with the wheel on the left, come on

Never going to happen.

>>17700152
reminds me of a z

>>17704568
Toyota have already stated that they are definitely bringing out a sports car that's smaller and cheaper than the 86, it's just a question of whether it's this or another MR2.

>>17699978
side profile looks lame.

what's the point of the backseats

look at this spunky little fucker

i'm down

How the fuck could Mazda even compete

>>17700004
lmao it has the cover over the floating caliper so it looks like an opposed
pretty gay desu

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>>17699988

>>17700060
But it's thinner...

>>17699978
This thing looks like an autistic rendition of the Alfa Romeo 4C and the Mazda Miata, and just like the FR-S, will also probably get it's ass kicked by a minivan in a drag race.

>>17705006
I have low reading comprehension gomenasai

>>17705176
Minivans have to move 800+ lbs of American children from 0-60, of course they can accelerate well.

>>17700729
It's a "guy doesn't understand why Mazda isn't competing in the HP wars" episode.

>>17700083
I hated the REEEE design in the front before but it looks cute with the little eyebrow vents too

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>>17700034
It looks a bit like an older rounded out 911. You can still see the slightly exaggerated headlights.

>>17699978
goofy looking little turd

>>17699978
don't fucking care if it weighs as much as MRS and has at least 120 horsepower it is great.
Looks adorable too, like an angry little ribbit.
It's fantastic.
Id love one just for a purpose stock race car.

I'm actually really digging it. If it's lighter than the 86, and they tweak the front end a tad so it's not an angry frog, I'd definitely consider it.

>>17700933
wtf faggot, my MRS has 140 horsepower and know what, it's just enough.
You can beat cars wiht 5x your horsepower as long as your good and your car handles wella nd is light.
You faggots just mad cause it requires skill, knowledge and practise and you retards just want to mash gas at stoplights against some hyundai veloster to prove to yourself that you should not commit suicide today.

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>>17699990
>angry headlights
Literally why. I can see how it was designed to be a cute blob with happy face but execs were no we need a angry face like everyone else.

>>17699999
Why has no one checked these quints?

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>>17699999
Nice get

>>17700004
>4 bolts
Into the trash.

Looks like a knock off sports car you'd see some in a low budget movie with a spicy Spanish lady driving in Rio

>>17699999
>>17700000
Consecutive quint's what a time to be alive

>>17699999
at least its ass is happy

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>>17699999
>>17700000
Quints for clown car.

>>17700000
>5 repeating digits
How?

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>Toyota makes this car mid-engine
>Call it the new MR2
I know it will never happen but I can dream dammit.

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>>17699988
>>17699999
>>17700000
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>>17700799
>>17700933
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>>17706855
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>>17710433
I think this is enough of a sign that the SFR will succeed

If its cheap it will be the greatest car ever.

Unless you're a 5'5 samurai manlet, you won't fit in this piece of shit.

>155hp
>honda could make a godtier lightweight sports car with a 2.0L 240hp NA motor if they wanted to
>keep making civics worse instead
I have an 8th gen civic si and this upsets me

>read thread
>wonder why are ppl like babies when it comes to cars
>remember sporty cars are for man babies

>>17699978
So they're trying to make a smaller, chubbier MX-5 NB? I mean don't get me wrong, I'm totally down for that and all, but why that specific styling for the concept?
I mean, I guess I'm glad it's just concept and could get ironed out a bit like the Nissan IDx needed, but of the two I'd probably end up buying an IDx.

Shit, all that aside, A for effort.

Looks fun to drive and affordable to own. It's also not a TC, so that's a plus.

>>17710479
Fuck, I knew someone else had the same thought I did.
Seriously, how fucking big do they want to make that grille? It looks like it's an intake on a jet engine, but not in a cool rocket car way.

Overall I'm coming around on it's design. I don't think I'd buy one if they put it in production, but I'd grab one in Gran Turismo or Forza or whatever.

>>17700740
>If they can get it to the low $20k AUD range I'll buy one.

No. You literraly wont. You'll add it to whatever shitty list you have and never buy it even in 10 years as 3rd with 100kmiles for 500

>>17699999
>>17700000
WITNESSED x2

If it ever exists it will be a tossup between it and the ND.

>>17704550
Not him but I just looked it up for fun. Here in Germany the lowest price on a platform for used cars is 8k€ for an S2000 from 2001 with 170k km. Most go for about 10k as it seems.

>>17700193
because hes driving a miniature NSX

>>17710729
Not while making 30+ mpg combined with a ULEV certification. It's why Honda has given up on making any kind of power with NA engines.

>>17700829
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>>17700552
The engine is tuned for plenty of mid-range torque while meeting modern emission standards and getting 40mpg in a convertible with no overdrive, And yet it still manages to be faster than an S2000 around a track

Anyone have the edit where it looks happy?

>>17699978
looks like they mated a bug with a 350z

>>17699978
Looks like a chode. Sick color though. Like an antibiotics yellow

>>17699990
Literal meep meep with autism

>>17714233
That 8k car is RHD, still has UK papers and it's softtop is also in a shitty condition.
LHD ones in good condition that are not riced out start at 14-15k. Don't believe his lies.

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>>17700000
Nice gets
also because the Japanese trend towards the small side

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This car WILL get released

IT WILL HAPPEN

ITS GOING TO HAPPEN

>>17699978
I desperately fucking want one of these. Please Toyota. Please.

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don't remember where I found it but this was suppose to be closer to what the production car was going to look like.

>>17720092
it'll be released but it won't be what you're hoping it'll be

>>17700108
It needs a whaletail wing

>>17700234
4age predecessor?

>>17720580

Cars never deliver exactly what you want

cuz of regulations, safety bla bla


MIata ND is the most recent example I can think of that delivered, essentially gave us an awesomely updated version of the NA with all the nice modern stuff and safety.

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>>17720711
yeah but it looks too angery

granted, side profile looks pretty though