>335 HP HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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If its priced right and comes with three peddles it'll BTFO everything
It wont be any of those things though

>>17699105
>>17699139
That is about as much power as the new S2000 is going to have. It (and) BMW's Z car will get BTFO.

>>17699105
If it is priced around 50k and has 335hp/335tq, sounds fine to me

>>17699166
and weigh 3200 or less.

>>17699139
Didn't they just announce it will only come in an automatic?

Pity really.

>>17699166
>if it is twice as expensive as a mustang gt and has over 100 fewer hp, sounds fine to me

>>17699206
>and 500lbs lighter if 3200lbs
>Will probably be better balanced and have better suspension setup

Nothing screams benchracer like focusing on HP and nothing else.

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>>17699231
still won't outdo a Camaro for the same price.

>>17699139
its auto only

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>>17699392
except the camao is literally trash no matter where you see it?

>b-but performance
it's slower than a superbike

>>17699404
lol nope

This is a bigger disappointment than the new NSX lmao.

>>17699176

It's going to weigh closer to 3400-3500lb. No way it's going to be that much lighter than a C7.

I'm hoping it's going to be good. The RC F is just out of my price range, so I'm hoping the Supra will exceed my expectations.

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How did we go from this

to this? >>17699105

what did they do to supra? his smile and optimism is gone

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This car is supposed to be a Grand Tourer not a hard hitting sports car.

Its a shame fags, but the supra for the most part has always been a GT car

>>17699418
lol yup

sperg more

I'm guessing the LC-F is the true successor.

>>17699445
The 90s were a happier time.

>>17699404
>it's slower than a superbike
Did it post a faster time around the ring?

>>17699404
mfw the poopra is slower than a superbike.

>>17699445
>>17699464
Look at the faces of cars, they reflect the cultural mood of the time.

>auto only
d r o p p e d

>>17699105
If its like 40k MAXIMUM I could see people buying it.

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>>17699471
I yearn for the days when cars had no faces.

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>>17699510
I thought that was an Eagle from the thumbnail

>people believing that "leaked" document
the document also lists 2 USA X4 models with manual transmissions.

lel

>>17699510
Still has an expression, albeit a very neutral one.

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>>17699512
>yfw you find out where the Eagle brand came from

>>17699105
How long till someone swaps a 2JZ in it? I give it 5 months from launch.

Also, Toyota, please bring back the 2JZ. Fuck emissions, I want my meme engines back

Ill be laughing when i get catless downpipes, toss in some ethanol and flash tune it and btfo any lard barge in a straight line

>>17699560
*3JZ

>>17699560
remember this is a BMW Z roadster platform so swapping in a JZ engine might royally mess things up as far as handling goes.

>>17699569
The engine will probably detonate itself since it's BMW.

>>17699105
Looks like they took the from of an RX8, the top of a viper and the ass of a BRZ/FRS

The fuck is this thing?

>>17699459
What LC-F. Lexus has said they're not making one.

Looks like an uglier Mitsubishi Eclipse

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>>17699404
Worthless bikeposter go back to your containment thread

>>17699472
this. toyota are shitting the bed if they aren't offering a 6-speed. the FR-Z 86 is successful enough to make that plain.

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>>17699159
>That is about as much power as the new S2000 is going to have.

>>17699105
>>17699176
This is starting to sound more and more like a 370z competitor than anything else.

>>17699683
Hey, we don't want his fag ass either.

>>17699853
If it is similar weight but turbo, it will be leagues better.

I can only hope.

>auto only
FOR WHAT PURPOSE

>>17699105
Going to cost more than 370z, how would it be better? Obviously supra will be heavier too

>>17699911
3 extra horses tho

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D-don’t worry guys, Mazda will our savior with the RX9, right?

>>17699922
It will be auto and overpriced

Jesus the front end on that thing is hideous. I wouldn't buy it if it was 500whp manual and free

>>17699844
http://blog.caranddriver.com/more-details-emerge-on-hondas-s2000-revival/

>>17699922
that would imply mazda would have enough money to even fund research into building a new sports car

>>17699449
Then why do they make the RC of LC?

>>17699965
They are building a billion dollar factory in the states. Now hopefully they can stop getting fucked by the yen exchange rate and make some actual money and bring us the rotary we lust for

>>17699945
Those. That powerbulge either needs to move way the fuck back or just disappear.

Looks like an R8 facefucked a Beetle.

>>17699922
yfw they don't build it

>>17699105
It looks like a Ferrari Enzo that's having an allergic reaction to some peanuts.

>>17700128
The president said they'd only do that if their 3's and 6's sold really well and they've been getting blown out

>>17700128
>They are building a billion dollar factory in the states
>tfw people could be asking "where were you when mazda made america great again?"

Go figure muh power fags are children who cap spam haha

>>17699105
That's more than the last one had.

>>17699922
And then GM will put the cherry on top by allowing me to purchase an LS1 and switching out whatever dog-shit Mazda puts in there.

>>17700192
15-23 years later depending how you look at it.

>>17700198
That "dog shit" has won le mans
Has a gm engine ever won le mans? No?

ROFLMAO

>>17700215
Oh yeah, man, thanks for reminding me. Can't wait to win my local Le Highway.
>won le mans
>thinking anyone that actually buys it is gonna do pro racing with it

>>17700223
Rotary run faster 1/4 passes than any ls1 engine
Stay btfo

>>17699105
Disappointment of the century. I don't even care about the 335hp. The lack of a manual will kill all the hype for this.

>335 hp
>automatic only
>hybrid engine
I bet this new Supra gets walked by a Mustang GT or even a Camaro SS. Fuck you Toyota. Just let the legend die.

The Supra was cool back in the day because it had a nice design and could hang with the higher end cars in terms of speed.... while also being REALLY GOOD VALUE.

That's what I love about older Japanese cars and American sports cars. Here's a car that can go fast, hey also you can actually fucking buy it. Not just a poster on your wall, but a car you can actually get. That, for me, is a lot of what makes me consider a car good.

This car.... eh. It just hangs on the brand name, without retaining anything cool about the Supra. It's not that fast, it doesn't look good. At it's price range, you can do much better even on the euro end. What's the point.

>>17699105
Jesus fucking christ, it's so fucking ugly.

>>17700303
it's the NSX all over again

>>17700327
The point is that it's not marketed to people like us anymore. I think at one point car culture had more adults in it who actually liked the specs of it, you know? I think it's marketed towards those who can afford it no problem, and will just fall for it because "durr supra fast, the guy from fast n fursona drove it"

to me, the supra died years ago

will buy

>>17699404
you fuck, literally 99% of production cars are slower than superbikes up to 186mph. Only reason bikes cant post decent times on the furburgring is because its a literal shit-track with bumps everywhere.

>>17700466
>furburgring
Is that salt on your jelly there?

>>17699560
The 2JZ is a fucking boat anchor, why the fuck would you do a 2JZ swap??
Just swap in a S54

>>17700232
Rotary also runs faster out of apex seals than any other ls1 engine

>>17700466
You clearly have never been on the nurburgring then

>>17700327
You're looking at it with revisionist glasses. The Supra, Skyline, RX 7, NSX, shit even the S2000 weren't as cheap as people remember them being. They were still expensive, and adjusting for inflation, their around the same price range, give or take 10k.

>>17700303
Nothing wrong with Auto, just shouldn't be the only option, but hey, if speed is what they want, you have to ditch manual

>>17700393
New NSX is great. I don't see why anyone would be disappointed by it

>>17699863

But it fucking won't be at that horsepower output. The 370Z is a fat pig that can't outpace a goddamn Challenger R/T. The Supra is going to be trash because the fucking Nips forgot how to sportscar.

>>17700477
Because 2JZ is one durable ass, legend of a Japanese engine. Also, it'd keep in line with the aristo/Supra mark 4.

Also, because muh 1500hp

>>17700505
overhyped as fuck.
the s50/s54 is objectively better, 2jz is more affordable and available though.

>>17700507
>BMW
>Better than Japanese engine

Pick none. Fucking kek dude, those things a re a bitch to maintain

>>17700509
nah, BMW n/a inline 6 engines are some of the best/easiest engines to work on, and also some of the most durable engines ever.
As I said the 2jz is quite popular because it's cheap (at least it used to be)

>>17699445
They should just use that chassis, upgrade the metals used, and call it a day. Fuck, the mk4 Supra is a thing of beauty

>>17700303

Also front-wheel drive

>>17700521
Yeah, 2JZ isn't as cheap as it once was. Shame, but eh.

Anything German always gives me pause, especially here in North America where parts cost a shit ton, and German cars are always breaking something (including the engine). I'll take your for it though, and seeing as how the new Supra is using a BMW engine, I hope you're right

>BMW B58 engine

So basically BMW with a Toyota Supra body kit

>>17699105
If you want a NSX or a GT-R competitor from toyota look at lexus LC F

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>>17700524
>this must be a troll
>look it up
>it's true, the new Toyota Supra will be FWD

HAHAHAHA

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>>17700527
BMW Sxx engines are quite expensive but the 2.5 litre M50B25 (non-vanos) is probably the best German block you can buy for the money.
80% of professional drift cars (nissans, volvos, bimmers, benzs etc) are running turbo'd M50B25's because that engine is ridiculously tough and very cheap
the other 10% are BMW V8's and the final 10% are LSx's

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>>17700539
>FWD
>Automatic
>hybrid engine
>335 HP
WEW
E
W

Anyone that buys this over a C7 is a huge faggot

>>17700539

Source? Got to be baiting me. Fwd supra makes as much sense as a crossover z

>>17700539
Nipponfags on suicide watch
>w-why can't japan make good cars anymore

>>17700561

https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2017/08/leaked-bmw-model-codes-document-suggests-upcoming-supra-will-not-get-a-manual-and-will-only-have-335-horsepower/

>>17700575

Not seeing "fwd supra" fampai

No manual makes it a fucking joke though

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>>17700539
Bmw has no drivetrain for an i6+hp8 to make it fwd and no i4 tarbo engine to put out 335hp

>>17700600
It's a totally different collaborative project.

>>17699159
The difference is that the S2K will be 1K lighter and the Z 500 because Toyota can't into lightweight.
>>17699951
>8 speed auto
welp

So basically this is the new 370z with a drivetrain that will fall apart

cool

>>17699922
Yea brah it'll be a quad rotor quad turbo HCCI 2500lb godmacheen

>>17700617
Yes, but they are still using bmw's drivetrain
The mentioned model codes include the 40i, which is the b58 engine.
Does toyota even have a fwd drivetrain putting out that much power?

>>17699105
>335hp
I take a wild guess and say thay they'll offer a performance pack with 360hp, like on bmw's current i6 engines

>>17699105
If its priced at base Ecoboost Mustang + Performance Package it would be perfect car.

>28kMSRP
>Much Lighter
>Sameish HP
>Smaller wheelbase

As long as it has a conservative base engine with a turbo with plenty of room for power on stock parts

Judging by the current known specs, I'd say the new Supra competes with the Civic Type R. So I'm hoping it's priced similar, around 36K starting with some option higher trim levels. If Toyota goes full retard and prices the supra in the 45K to 50K range, this car is deader than the NSX.

335hp is just for the ICE, you retard.
It's going to be a hybrid, which will undoubtedly add a lot more power.

>>17700796
>It's going to be a hybrid, which will undoubtedly add a lot more power
I want to believe too.

You guys need to calm down a bit

Leaked documents show that the supra will be at the very least built on a rwd platform,
It will have an inline 6 like everyone wanted
It probably won't be hybrid
benchracers will make fun of the low HP but this points to a more modest price point, like 40-50k for the top spec to compete with the corvette or 350z, so it won't be a retarded 300k halo car like everyone was afraid of
It looks pretty good imo
The designer was intending to make it lightweight, specifically mentioning the Porsche Cayman and boxster as some inspiration

Only downside that I can see is the fact that they seem adamant about using a stupid automatic, which would give new meaning to the word autotragic since that choice will probably make it break the cars success. The z4 will get a manual tho so don't give up hope yet, they may hear the collective moan of everyone lampooning them about their autotragic and bring one to the car in its second model year

It's not going to be another nsx flop don't give up yet

>>17700140
kek'd

>>17699105
Supra? slow piece of shit...i can smoke the fuck out of this in my 1994 EG hatch with a couple of simple mods:

- 10 point cage with Parachute
- 3 piece discontinued JoJo frontend
- spec-R full drag suspension
- Fuel cell with -8 lines from tank to motor
- 1 044 bosch pump
- 1200 rc injectors
- golden eagle sleeved block
- cp 10:1 pistons
- Eagle rods
- arp headstuds
- oem h22 headgasket
- Balance shaft delete
- competition clutch twin disc
- Port and polished head
- skunk2 valve springs and retainers
- Str cam gears
- crower stage 1 cams
- aluminium radiator with slim fan
- gsr transmission with itr lsd.
- qsd h2k intake manifold adapter
- k20 rbc manifold
- qsd throttle body spacer
- blox 70mm throttle body
- 4bar omni map sensor
- 6al msd with coil and cap. 3 step launch control
- hks bov
- Garret 102mm turbocharger.
- Custom t4 front facing turbo manifold with 44mm flange
- 44mm tial wastegate
- Custom water to air intercooler set up
- aem eugo wideband w/ gauge
- tuned on chipped p28
- 13 inch volks drag rims
- 2 15 inch volks rear rims
- arp extended wheel studs
- si cluster
- 150 shots of nitrous

im making 348 horsepower to the FRONT WHEELS because thats the only place the power should ever be

>>17699105

If they are using the engine that makes '335hp' then it will be a straight six that is easily tuneable for more power. It seems too good to be true

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>>17700402
>to me, the supra died years ago
iktf

>>17699105
lol I love it when people cringe at cars with less than 6,000HP.
It isn't all about power.

>>17699449
Isn't it only a 2 seater?

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I'm fine with 335HP if it's the lighter than the Mk3/Mk4 and gets a manual tbhfam. I don't know why it would be auto only, the chassis accomodates a stickshift and the people buying this car grew up on Fast n Furious.

>>17699404
yeah but your superbike is slower than a SU-37 and it doesnt come with ECCM and air to ground missiles

>2017
>being a bikecuck when you could have a superior russian fighter jet

>>17701063
*faint BBRRRRRRRRRRRT in the distancs *

>>17701022
To be fair, the Supra is literally all about power.

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>>17699404

Is this what peak shitposting performance looks like?

>>17701069

*BRRRRRRT slowly intensifies*

>>17699404
Superbikes are actually slow as fuck. They're just cheap.

>downforce
Not an option
>two wheels
Even less grip now
>mid/mid-rear engine, rear wheel drive
*front end rises*

Serious race cars outdo superbikes at every turn unless it's on a tight track made specifically for bikes or gokarts where the motorcycle's superior turning radius and quick turn-in reigns supreme

until someone brings in a really fucking faster gokart

>>17699404
http://archive.4plebs.org/o/search/filename/1496253584078/

Fuck off

watch, what we're gonna hear is "bmw sourced straight six only makes 335 horsepower but costs 40-60k"

what we're gonna get is "turns out the engine has fully forged internals and the fuel system is oversized for a bigger turbo"

one can dream at least

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>>17699139
>it'll BTFO everything

>>17700543
shame its horrible on maintenance compared to either the 1/2JZ

>>17700215
they're putting the 4 rotor r26b in it?
of course not, so no the meme engine in the rx9 hasn't won shit

I'd honestly be fine with a 335hp coupe with a manual shift, if it didn't look that fucking horrible.

>>17700553
>Anyone that buys this is a huge faggot
fixed

>>17700748
>deader than the NSX
not possible

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>>17699105
>less hp than a genesis coupe

>>17701425
>NSX sells worse than the Viper
Literally impossible

>>17699445
In fairness, it's gotta be hard when you have something old that's basically a masterpiece and you're told to make up a new version to be its successor. It's like trying to make a sequel to a legendary movie. Damn near impossible to do it well.

>>17700495
>You're looking at it with revisionist glasses. The Supra, Skyline, RX 7, NSX, shit even the S2000 weren't as cheap as people remember them being.
They were expensive but outperformed family sedan, the supra, 300zxtt, and certainly the NSX we're punching in exotic territory at half the price. They were comparable to top end vettes and 911 turbos,not a fucking charger or taurus.

>>17701457
they were expensive, for a Japanese sports car
compared to their European competition, they were a steal.
I remember when my dad got sent a VHS tape from Acura about the NSX and it's starting price was 60k, about the same as a 911 C2, but the NSX was the NSX

So this is what the BR-Z/86/FR-S should have been, but worse. Nice job, Toyota.

>>17700495
>if speed is what they want, you have to ditch manual

>>17701434
Genesis Coupe is garbage though. Sample a sports car from every other country and then drive a Genesis Coupe. It's trash.

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>>17701434
>less hp than pic related

It's a turbo engine with strong internals. I'm sure they could crank it up to 350+ without any issues. So far they've only put the B58 into their non-performance models, so no need for an aggressive tune.

>>17700215
citing le mans wins is worse than citing nurburgring track times, and that's saying something

>>17701341
except the non vanos M50 needs literally 0 maintenance
it can even run 500+hp on old oil

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>>17700484

>>17699853
nah it's a cayman competitor

>>17699105
Jebbus that is ugly. Is this abomination the reason the FRS is so fucking anemic? Fuck this gay earth. Why not just make the FRS with different power/equipment trims like with the mustang/camaro/challenger?

>>17701875
Realistically it's going to be way too heavy for that.

>>17699105
That roof looks autistic as fuck. Who the fuck wants their roof to look like it's been dented in?

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>>17701899
>not liking double bubble
Neck yourself

>>17700527
Memes, perpetuated by fags like you with only anecdotes from normies who can't into preventative maintenance or just caring for a vehicle. Enjoy your 3k Civic

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>>17701729
>BMW Engine
>From 1990
>needs no maintenance
c'mon pham, its a tinker toy compared to the 1JZ, plus it was only made for 2 fucking years before the TU came out

>>17699512
It's what the Eagle was based off of.

>>17699105
Supra then
320HP/300lb-ft

Supra now
335HP/330lb-ft

It's an improvement.
And we know how Supras are tuned already.

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>>17702135
>US-Spec figures
Sad.

>>17702286
Fucking Saab and their torque monster turbo-4s. Makes me wonder how hard it is to keep them going in a straight line under full throttle.

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>pleb NSX then
>270-290 HP/210 lb·ft-220 lb·ft

>Best NSX now
>570 HP/ 470 lb-ft
How did based Honda do it?

>>17702311
meant to reply to>>17702267

>>17702292
The stage 1 $80 ECU tune change those 370Nm to 440Nm.
Don't know if they work on the Hirsch one since they have a few different other settings.
Though my ethanol converted one that is manually tuned gets 546Nm out of 320HP.

>>17702311
I like both the pleb and the new one. But the new one have a way more interesting engine.

>>17702311
>makes almost 100hp less than an ecomeme ferd without electric motors to help power ratings
>weighs 800lbs more than it's predecessor

How did Honda do it indeed, they went full retard.

>>17702267
>5% improvement after 15 years

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>>17699105
is it just me or does the front end look like the new 86?

>>17702433
5% engine improvement in power, 82% improvement in efficiency and 157% in emissions.
200+% improvement in comfort
1000++++% in technology

>>17702464
wouldn't surprise me being as how Toyota has been putting their design language on every model so every fucking car looks similar to each other in the front

>>17702500
Almost like BMW, Audi, GM and many other brands.

>>17702311
>160k base price
Gosh, I wonder anon. The real question is how they managed to make a non-GT supercar weigh nearly two fucking tonnes.

>>17702311
Meanwhile in America
>2002 Mustang
>260HP
>2018 Mustang
>460HP

>>17699183
>>17699401
Why do they do this???

>>17702527
did I give them a pass?

>>17702324
>>17702406
>>17702533
You guys realize he was mocking >>17702267 right? He isn't actually praising the new NSX.

>>17702556
Did Toyota care what anon thinks?

>>17702564
Did anon try to directly communicate with Toyota?

>>17702564
should a company that designs products worry about what potential customers might think?

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>>17702562
There's more to a car than horsepower.
It just takes an educated American to understand what the rest of the world knows.

>>17702579
Should a company have an easy recognizable design?
>I don't want this car X, it looks too much like car X, I want car X but it should look like car Y, even though I could've just bought car Y since I like how car Y looks like.

>>17702597
should the recognizable design be horrid?

>>17702581
Yes there's more, but honestly there wasn't much more to the Supra. It was the closest thing to a Japanese muscle car at the time. Big, fat as hell, and lots of power for the time.

>>17702603
Should the brand cater to an autistic minority?

>>17702615
should the anon underestimate the amount of people and reviewers who share the same opinion?

>>17702613
Times have changed, even if America have done below recognizable change, the rest of the world have halved their fuel consumption and emissions, while USA have changed the looks of their oversized pickups while polluting the same as always.

>>17702626
>Times have changed

Yeah, sport cars have gotten more power.

>>17702636
read
>>17702626
Then realize it's ENGINE have 335HP, the electric MOTORS help giving it more HP, at instant torque.

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I just want a practical, well-built, decently quick sports car I can daily drive with a manual transmission. I'd rather get something with weeb cred and good build quality over a Mustang if I can. Supra is my last hope since we all know pic related isn't happening.

>>17699105
cool so more that 100hp less than a base vette
surely the starting price is less than a base vette, correct?

>>17702683
Surely the starting price is based on the cost it takes to build a car in a factory that have workers that have paid vacation days, health insurance paid by the company, etc etc.
Yeah, a car built by humans usually end up costing more than a car built in a shed by slaves.

>>17702683
40-60k, so squarely in the Vette's firing line.
It's DOA.

>>17702668
S-stop saying that anon

>>17702668
The 370Z already exists

>>17702701
butthurt
>>17702702
pathetic. i really want to like it, but why would they make it so low on power.

>>17702719
>butthurt
Actually no, I sit in a very comfy seat in my car because it's built with safety and comfort.
You shouldn't project your feelings from your experiences onto others.

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>>17702719
Pic related sells fine and is way down on power as well, compared to the Vette.

~50k for a Toyota though...

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>>17702659

>>17702732
>mad because the Vette is still The Best Value In Automotive History Ever™

>335 hp and $50k
>Not even a manual option
So this is the car that kills Japanese sportscars.
All they had to do was make it around 400hp and it'd be golden. As it is now it's going to get slaughtered by a comparable Corvette or Camaro.

>>17702734
I don't think they're selling as well as they used to. People don't want a turbo four, they want an N/A flat six.

>>17702732
more butthurt
>>17702734
vette sales decimate that

>>17702701
Were you under the impression GM employees were slaves in a shed or something? I mean I hate GM to but seriously m8.

>>17702750
>As it is now it's going to get slaughtered by a comparable Corvette or Camaro
And then it'll sell like shit, and Toyota will never make another Supra ever again because "the market simply isn't there for it".

>>17702734
It's also lighter and way smaller. If every previous Supra is any indication, the new one is going to be an obese landbarge that really needs all the power it can get.

>>17702746
>electric engines give full torque
Source Google and every other site that have information about electric motors.
>>17702750
>The 2017 Supra is going to be equipped with a 2.0-liter twin turbo inline-4, which will be quite different than the original inline-6 unit. The new engine will be able to generate up to 360 hp and 300 lb-ft of torque. Paired with this engine will be two electric motors, each powering one of the back wheels, allowing the new model to send all of its power to the back wheels. The total combined output is estimated to be more than 450 hp
>450HP
>All they had to do was make it around 400hp and it'd be golden
Car has around 400HP, yes.

>>17702766
>>electric engines give full torque

No you idiot, I mean a source on the Supra having electric motors.

>>17702758
Hence "the car that kills japanese sportscars".
You can't release a follow-up to a car that's basically legendary at this point and then give it power you could find in an N/A V6.
>>17702766
Produce a source or leave.

>>17702758
If this is how they want to bring the Supra back, good.

>>17702713
>370Z
That car is literally a decade old at this point. It's massively outdated and Nissan refuses to do anything about it.

>>17699951
>I'm never going to buy new car
>Sees new s2000
hmm maybe
>8speed auto
Fuck nvm

>>17702770
>>17702771
https://youtu.be/wtLZ6WASxkY?t=258
Here you have, you idiot.
Since googling the car must've been too hard for you, since you obviously can't read.
Now you know it have electric motors, learn how to source yourself you retarded piece of shitheads.

Would anyone else here take a 335HP Supra over a +450HP Supra Hybrid? I don't want heavy and expensive EV shit in my sports car.

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>>17702406
>>weighs 800lbs more than it's predecessor
>AND gets better MPG
wow Honda is fucking genius!
>>17702562
I'm>>17702311 and i am praising the new NSX. its a fantastic car.

>>17701007
You're right, nothing will ever be the same

>>17702792
You probably could've saved yourself a lot of asshurt if you had posted this from the get go.

>>17702803
I overestimated your skills on typing "Supra 2017 engine"

>>17702786
The article also says Honda is going to turbo AND supercharge it.

>>17702807
You dumbass, it's not that we can't type it, we wanted you to post what you should've in the first place.

>>17702798
How many shekels is Acura giving you to shill that dumpster fire of a car? first it was Doug and then it was engineering explained how it's random fags on /o/. This is worse than shareblue

>>17702812
>should've
Entitled little trash, it's pretty much a given that people that posts in a supra thread about the new car have at least SOME information about the car before starting to shitpost.

>>17702822
This is /o/ you moron, that absolutely is not the case. You can get asshurt about me or anyone else being entitled, but you brought this on yourself with your shitty reading comprehension.

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>>17702816
What ever gave you the impression that i was shilling anon? i just recognize a good car.

>first it was Doug and then it was engineering explained how it's random fags on /o/
They all saw the light.

>>17702829
>asshurt, still projecting I see.
Whatever makes you feel better in your dream world bubble.

>>17702840
What does the new NSX offer to potential buyers (who want <200k supercars) that the R8, Huracan, and 570S don't? A few MPG's and some liberal cred? Because it's not the performance, driving experience, interior, sound, exoticism, or styling.

>>17702840
They were both literally paid to shill for it by Acura or an Acura dealer. The comment section a are filled with anger about it because it's so obvious they're trying to get those stupid pieces of shit off thier lot. Maybe they'll make a good 7,000 hoon car one day but they're shit rn

>>17702862
>n-no u!

Nice try.

>>17702863
>What does the new NSX offer to potential buyers (who want <200k supercars) that the R8, Huracan, and 570S don't? A few MPG's and some assumptions, assumptions, assumptions, assumptions, assumptions, assumptions, assumptions, assumptions, assumptions, assumptions, assumptions, assumptions or assumptions.

>>17702883
>Using the ">n-no u" on others.
Ironic.

>>17699166
>$50k
>priced right

Jesus christ lmao

>>17702891
>pulling out the desperate "ironic" card

Wew lad.

>>17702901
Keep trying, retard.
or should I spoonfeed you some more on how to treat your illiteracy?

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>>17700140

>>17702922
>Keep trying, retard

Wew lad, not THAT's ironic!

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>>17702863
>What does the new NSX offer to potential buyers
Its very comfy. its more livable regarding maintenance than the others especially Mclaren.
>A few MPG's
it gets a whopping 7 MPG city more than the R8.
>exoticism
This technology especially at this price-point is very exotic.
>styling
It looks gorgeous.

>>17702873
>The comment section a are filled with anger
That's just paranoid fans of the original who can't believe someone would dare like the new one.

>>17702933
*now

>>17702886
>styling
It looks as uninspired as a supercar can be
>sound
It clearly sounds worse than a screaming V10
>performance
Look at the numbers,
>interior
Look at the interior (also, chintzy feeling paddles is a complaint in several reviews)
>driving experience
Watch videos of people driving the NSX, then watch people driving the other cars I listed. "This is pretty fast, steering is direct, sounds alright" is different then "HOLY FUCK THIS THING IS AWESOME!"

>>17699105
slower than a camaro

>>17702950
Everything under 150k is slower than a Camaro, there is no purpose in trying to beat it in performance.

>>17702935
The car is so bad it's impossible to like that's why They have to pay youtubers to shill their colossal failure of a "supercar"

>>17702933
>>17702941
Your illiteracy is going full throttle.

>>17702957
>there is no purpose in trying to beat it in performance
Then there is no point in buying anything else, is there?

>>17701897
what's the weight ? cayman aren't pretty light
and doesn't they will include some kind of hybrid system in the new supra ?

>>17702491
none of that shit matters in a damn sports car

>>17702668
Type R?

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>>17702547
Take a guess.

>>17703330
I'm tired of FWD and 4 cylinders, no.

>>17703372
Seriously get a 15-17 mustang GT performance pack

The new ones are much more expensive as is a comparable car

>>17703403
How is the build quality? I like my Fiesta ST, but it's far from well made, multiple rattles at 10000km.

>>17703408
Its very solid. Some exceptions from an honest owner: if you get in a hot car and turn the AC on the temp change will be dramatic enough to eventually give a creak but never otherwise. My E39 creaks much much more

There is some driveline lash you will occassionally hear if you don't have good enough pedal control

Some people don't like the transmission . Drive the 6MT and decide for yourself

Overall just drive one and compare to other cars you test drive. At the prices they go for it's hard to resist

>>17702547
Japs pretty much only drive auto anymore anon.

>>17702547
Japs drive manual even less than Americans now. Toyota is also kind of deaf when it comes to car culture (they don't understand why people fix up old Landcruisers when they could buy newer, better ones)

>>17702135
for the price of one 1jz/2jz you can buy 10-20 M50 blocks lol.
If the M50 is not powerful enough look up the S50 or S54 - more hp than the 2 turbo 2jz from a naturally aspirated i6.

>>17703359
Americans know that Autos are superior?

>>17703528
The automatic shifting mechanism isn't superior

The number of gears and gearing ratios are

>hurr all manuals need to have distant gears and five/six speeds and an H pattern style shifting instead of a sequential because its muh tradition
>auto:
>sequential shifts
>8 close gears
>you could have this in a manual but no, because....
Muh tradition. Number one thing holding manuals back. Nobody knows how to fucking drive a traditional stick anymore so they can take risks again, fucking hell.

>>17703550

>8 close gears

Not only that, but with lock up torque converters, you essentially have 16 gears. 8 in slip, 8 in lock up, so you can be in a gear that's 90% optimal for load and speed for the vast majority of the time you're driving. It's how autos have started beating sticks in MPG ratings.

With Koenigsegg pioneering controllable variable slip torque converters, it's probably only a matter of time before some clever engineer figures out how to make a converter that has controllable 25%/50%/75% slip levels in addition to a lock up mode, at which point autos will have perfect power utilization in every scenario, while being perfectly smooth, and the manual will be well and truly dead.

Though in theory, CVTs do the same damn thing with a fraction of the effort, so those will probably end up taking over instead.

>>17702547
Because automatics are more efficient in virtually every aspect. The "manual is best!" is a meme and that's why several manufacturers are almost phasing manuals out.

>>17701604
Four doors -> not necessary

supra is rice
rice is short for ricer which is when a white guy likes modding his asian shit box.

>>17700232
For one pass. It's a shit street engine. Real shit

>>17702944
> tfw when no more VTEC V6 screaming at every gear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekJ4lX579dI

>>17704039
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZEFr7XC6No
The VTEC scream is still there and it sounds pretty similar from the inside. only difference is the extra sound deadening in the new one and 7500 redline instead of 8000.

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>>17700499

>"nips forgot how to sportscar"
>develop a car that hasn't changed for 64 years yet is still faster than the main competitor (the Focus RS) to 60, 100, 130, the 1/4 and has a larger spoiler

Pic related. The GOAT Japanese sports car, and the second GOAT sports car of all time, next to the ZR1.

>>17704464
That isn't a sports car. It is a sporty/performance car

>>17704464
But it's not. Stop taking times out of your arse

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>>17704475

I simply can't believe what I'm reading here.

How is the STI not a sports car? Name one (1) car that is a better blend of raw, emotion evoking driving with a no frills approach (to not compromise the driving experience) under $70,000.

The sacrifices the STI makes to be the top tier performance car are exactly what makes it a sports car.

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>>17704464
>next to the ZR1
Which ZR1

90s Lotus ZR1 or the 2000s whiner?

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>>17704490

I'm glad you said this. According to Car and Driver, literally the first result that came up, the STI is
>faster to 100mph by 1.3 seconds
>faster to 130mph by 2.7 seconds
>faster to the 1/4 mile by .1 seconds

Those are absolutely enormous differences when comparing the 0-100 and 0-130 times.

Source here:
http://www.caranddriver.com/ford/focus-rs
http://www.caranddriver.com/subaru/wrx-sti

>>17702292
A little difficult in 1st and 2nd. If you are not used to torque steer it can be a little shocking in 3rd and 4th as well.

>>17704475
You're one of those faggots they say a challenge isn't a sports car.

>>17704554
>>17704490

>>17704554
>>17704490

>>17704554

The reason you aren't aware of this is because this board (and many paid reviewer) is heavily infested with Ford paid posters. The reason the Focus RS is universally praised and the WRX STI is constantly hated on /o/ is because of these people. Do you notice how no one ever talks shit about the CTR or Golf R? It's because the Ford shills do not consider it a threat.

>>17704505
$70,000?
Youre asking a pretty subjective question but I can name a few
Hellcat, GT350, ZL1, everything from the BMW M line up (except the m6).
I could go on for days about cars on the used market, but I think those prove my point. The STI is a competent vehicle, but let's not pretend like it punches up that far out of the price bracket.

>>17704607
The challenger not being a sports car would be more of a legitimate argument. it really is one of the last true muscle cars left with how its setup.

>>17704607
How is it a sports car? It's made literally for straight line performance and highway cruising.

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>>17704667
>>17704475

Ok, so to clarify, you are saying that an STI and a Challenger (Hellcat, Demon, etc.) aren't sports cars...?

Are you sure you're thinking this through?

>>17704650
>>17704667
>>17704679
A challenger Hellcat had a faster lap time than a 4C on the nurburgring. It's a sports car.

>>17704679
Calm down man. It's just memes. Don't fall for such blatant trolling.

>>17704693
Hahahahaha are you fucking serious?

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>>17704693
Just because the 4c sucks dick to the moon and back (fuck off alfa shills) doesn't mean the hellcat is a sports car

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>>17704554

The Focus RS is also slower in the head since it's a Ford.

>>17704725
>NSX
>673 HP
You might've had a bit too much redbull when you made this so id go back and edit it a bit.

>>17699404
so is the supra you stupid weeaboo toyota just can't compete

>>17704725
>beats a sports car on a track
>n-no it's not a sports car!
Make up your mind nigger.

>>17699166
Then it end up being barely better than a 370z

>>17704725
Where's power to weight

>>17699445
Those headlights and fat shape put a smile on my face. Wish supercars nowadays are this cute

a subaru is not a sports car
its a mistake

>>17705024
Except it will be turbo and anyone that knows anything about tuning turbo cars will put a callers downpipe on it, raise the boost a bit in tuning and make 350+/350+ to the wheels all day.

The only way to do that with a 370 is dump 14k into it with a Stillen or GReddy TT kit, then deal with it being no where near as reliable.

That's why I think 335/335 is just fine. And who knows how aggressive of gearing they are gonna use with that 8 speed. It could be very quick.

>>17706320
Catless *

>buy one
>rip out the heavy ass battery packs and emotors, and stick in a 2JZ with a few simple mods
>Suddenly 3000lb car with 400hp

>>17699105
Thought it was an RX-8 when I first saw that...

didn't think it was possible to make it even uglier.

>>17699206
>a new supra which was never powerful stock, vs a stang which handles well only in memes and marketing brochures

>>17700521
BMW i6 cars after 10-20 years: 500 euros
Toyota i4 rwd cars after 10-20 years: 4k starting
Just because you live in a cucked country where people pretend bmw's and audis are rare, exclusive and expensive doesn't mean they actually are.

BMW is slow as shit and pigfat. We had e90 and e46, both with 3 liter engines and after driving just 10km of twisties our 3 japanese veryhandles had to spend an entire smoke break waiting for them to catch up.

>>17703640
>t. can't drive a manual (or is really bad at it)
That's not entirely true especially comparing manual to CVT, you "might" get slightly better fuel economy in certain specific conditions but that's about it. I think at the end of the day a manual just adds that little something to the driving experience that so few truly appreciate. 95% of people aren't taking their performance cars to the race track, or if they did it's strictly recreational with no scores being kept, so what does it matter if the auto is fractions of a second faster """on paper"""? This of course in addition to all the electrical driving nannies that they put in cars now, it's completely removed the need for learning a skill now. From here I guess it'll be self driving cars, and /o/ will be full of shitposting like "lol you fags still driving with steering wheels and pedals? Computers are faster and better just give up on driving already and stop being dinosaurs"

>any motorcycle
>puts your 500k$ car with its HP/kg to shame

cuckcagers will never understand

>>17706446
computers are allready faster and better at driving, audi made a self driving race car that learns as it goes and i can drive at its limit consistently 100% of the time.
Bench racing is poinless every single human on earth is slow.

>>17706451
> any jet plane
>puts your subsonic victorian contraption to shame
ants will never understand

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>>17706459
>subsonic victorian contraption
>mfw
why don't we build more super sonic ground vehicles?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT0SvoFS5hs

>>17706446
It's literally how it goes with every generation. Some new technology comes around and it scares the current generation of gearheads.

EFI IS THA DEVIL, YOU CAN'T EVEN TUNE IT WITH A SCREW DRIVER, YOU NEED A FANCY GOMPUTER. MY CAR MAKES PLENTY OF HP WITHOUT IT

Is it fun? Sure. Does it take some level of skill? Absolutely. Unfortunately it's becoming obsolete and an "option".

>>17706482
carburators are dogshit but manuals should never dissapear as an option

Its about the way you control the car.
Forcing you to get an automatic is like a dull electronic throttle or steering by wire.
I mean I'm doing a fucking power steering delete because fuck you nanny state.

>>17706495
but is it really the nanny state and not the car manufacturer?

>>17699922
Mazda only builds crossovers.

>>17706482
Carbs are shit though and can never be as good as well set up EFI

Manuals can be just as good as automatics, if not better in the weight department, but those good race-spec manuals aren't the manuals we're sold because they're harder to shift without literally destroying the gears in two seconds flat and "obnoxious" to DD for people used to the old four on the floor plus one or two shit.

>>17706320
>335/335
If it's the same tune as the M240i, it'll be 335/370. All the B58 engine tunes I've seen bring it past 400HP.

>>17706444
what does BMW being ''slow and pigfat'' have to do with the M50 engine being cheap and durable you fucking mong.
There are no noteworthy cheap RWD toyotas btw.
We used to have a stock Nissan 200sx and it would overheat every 2nd lap with the stock cooling system while our E36 328 coupe could run on a hot day all day long.

>>17706482
I think the argument is different this time compared to when computer engine control came out. EFI honestly changed the driving experience for the better and it really truly is better almost any way you look at it. Having an engine and trans that shifts for you and does things like rev-matched downshifts without driver input (or skill) takes away from the fun factor imo and it's just another baby-step toward driverless cars for the sake of being faster on paper. If I want to just sit there and get tossed around I'll go ride a rollercoaster, but when it comes to cars give me a steering wheel, three pedals, and a short throw stick any day of the week.

>>17706556
"Race spec" manuals would be more hassle than they're worth on a daily driven street car. For occasional use sure, put in some monstrosity with face plated straight cut gears, but don't pretend like that wouldn't be a complete pain in traffic on a daily basis.

>>17706539
Nah, Mazda is just frugal. They build what sells, and what sells is small cars and SUVs. We ought to congratulate them anyway, for making hatchback econoboxes and cuckmobile child-haulers that corner and handle like modest sports cars. It's the automotive holy grail of having your cake and eating it too.

>>17699139
>>17702547
Because modern auto and cvt are much more efficient, in a world with growing efficiency guidelines, why wouldn't they? Why would they invest time and money into making a manual option just for ~5% of the consumer base for autists who want to drag race at the green light on the way to pick up groceries?

Face it, manual is outdated.

>>17706689
I forgot to mention, modern automatics (such as BMW) are faster than manual too, so there is even less reason to buy a manual.

>>17706692
>I forgot to mention, modern self driving cars (such as BMW) are faster than manually driven cars too, so there is even less reason to buy a car that still has a steering wheel and pedals.

You in about 10 years

>>17699926
It would come with a manual but it also will never exist

>>17706692
who the fuck cares faggot.
Computer driven cars are faster and more safe than human driven cars. Go ride a bus you retarded cunt.
I'll enjoy my fucking manual with no driver aids and yes I fucking do double clutch through every single gear at every red light in traffic.
Because sportscars are meant to be fun not please some autists who scroll past them in fastlaps.com.

Suck a dick.

>>17702464
better than their dogshit looking X lexus grills

>>17699905
Better stats. 0-60 or 0-anything, and any laptime numbers are always better with robo transmitions. The car is going to be heavy and shitty and they need to squeeze every imoressive number enough to make it look like a decent car on paper. Same reason other driver aids are so common.

>>17699922
Lol no its also getting cucked with a hybrid system. Itll be shit.

>>17706783
Except when the street signs are not perfect or the system malfunctions or a security hole is found :^)

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>modern car design
what went wrong

>>17706692
>modern automatics (such as BMW) are faster than manual too

What a fair comparison when BMW has no manual of their own to compare it to.

>>17700521
>n/a
Lol

>>17700529
>4000 lbs
Lmao.

>>17699176
>and weigh 3200 or less.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>this is what weebs actually believe
It'll be 4k+

>>17699922
>http://blog.caranddriver.com/more-details-emerge-on-hondas-s2000-revival/
>mazadacucks
>our savior
Fuck off faggot

>>17700495
>New NSX is great. I don't see why anyone would be disappointed by it
Yeah great as in it cost $175k and get trashed by 100k cars.

>>17702668
>I just want a practical, well-built, decently quick sports car I can daily drive with a manual transmission
Camero MemeT1

>>17702433
>mazda

>1990 mx5 1.6 - 115hp
>2005 mx5 1.6 - 110hp

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>>17706783
>being this insecure over your interests
>having a toxic meltdown over a post on a Korean basket weaving imageboard

>>17707070
>well built

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>>17699105
Oh my god it looks like utter fucking shit.