Thoughts on the Mazda MX-5 RF (2017)?

It's a miata with a hardtop. More expensive and heavier, but still has the miata magic. Apparently the top down experience is worse than the soft top though with the fancier bodywork behind the driver.

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>>17689267
Muh dick

>>17689270
If I had one I'd probably never have the top down anyway, all I've ever wanted is a Miata coupe and this is the closest we can have in the US market.

Newbie here, how is it in comparison with a BMW 1 Series of this year?

>>17689267
I really thought about buying one at one point. I think the design is sexy af. But I decided to wait tell the used ones start hitting the market. The asking price for them is a little too high.

the folding hard top is a better design than my Z4 imo because it doesnt fuck up the boot aperture.

There's a mazda garage near me, looks nice in person.

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Goddamn, just check these seats!

It's a miata with a nice hardtop.

I might consider buying a new miata because i like it so much, but I'm not married and single guys buying a miata screams gay eternal bachelor.

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>>17689411
>gay eternal bachelor
Just dress well, and you will be a gentleman.

JUST MAKE A FUCKING FIXED ROOF MAZDA
that's what everyone wants anyway. waste all this money developing this compromise-roof that no one asked for. the fuck? coulda done the same thing without all the seals and motors and hinges and fucking garbage. i don't need a convertible because i'm not a faggot, I just want a good small rwd car. this is why the toyobaru blew you out of the fucking water

>>17689276
The 1 series is way heavier but is more powerful. You definitely would want the 135 over the 128 because of the down the road tunability of the 135 and inherent limitations of the 128. I'ld stick with the miata for sure. Cheaper to buy and to own, lighter, more fun, more reliable.

>>17689552
>blew you out of the water

Miata is 500 lbs lighter and way easier to add a turbo to. Out of the box a brz is probably better and better looking but im going with the miata every time.

>>17689604
>im going with the miata every time.
too bad people actually buying cars didn't. miata getting outsold every year since the 86 came out, even 2016 and 2017 when miata numbers should've been highest

>>17689661
Well the brz is the first real competitor the the miata for a while. No matter what it is itll cut into sales because the market is only so big. I feel like people assume the brz is a more "serious" sports car as well. Im just hoping used NDs drop in price enough where i can get one.

>>17689267
MIATAS ALL NEED HARDTOPS

Would it be a good first car for a single guy?

>>17689604
30k for 155 hp is pathetic and not attractive

>>17689686
Its also under 2400 lbs which is insanely light. Thats what this car does best.

>>17689686
>t. not even owning a driving licence

>>17689267
I just want a cheap convertible
or any convertible for that matter
the Miata seems to fit the bill

>>17689552
Or even better they could just make it a fucking targa top.

If there was a targa miata I'd buy it in an instant. But instead I have to go all the way to a Corvette for that body style.

Less power fron a DOHC N/A 2 litre than my 1990 MR2, how does Mazda do it?

>>17689270
Hardtops are objectively better looking than softtops.

>>17689692
It's about as heavy and powerful as a 90s honda civic that isn't boosted off its nuts.

No matter how you try and get around that fact and scream about muh RWD sports car it's pretty weak shit.

>>17690830
>it's pretty weak shit.
People who actually buy and own cars usually don't care about meaningless numbers.
They care about having fun while driving, which miata gives big time.

>>17690865
Modern cars are the most soulless possible driving experience though, so even muh fun really isn't that valid. An older miata with thinner doors and larger windows and not a single electronic nanny device in sight would probably be 'more fun' along with literally every pre-2000 shitbox by virtue of not being made lame and painfully boring in the name of safety.

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>>17690830
>Online bench racing kid detected

Miatas handle like a 80k+ car, and it's absolutely fun to drive full throttle.

Have fun arguing over lap times online you autist.

>>17690913
>muh handling

>using 80k car as a unit of measurement when it means literally nothing as there are plenty of 80k cars that drive like shit but are simply rare or old

It's a car that barely competes with civics a fraction of the price that can corner just as hard with a competent driver but civics are actually practical and rarely associated with the gay community.

>>17690934
>associated with the gay community.
How insecure are you?

>>17690894
I can't really compare ND to older miatas, reviews usually say it's still pretty damn good, but I feel you.

>>17690946
Quite confident in both masculinity and sexuality.

Doesn't mean stereotypes don't exist, or that any of the multiple points I've made against it aren't valid.

They even dropped 'Miata' off of the entire car just to move away from that feminine stereotype. It's not that they can't be good cars but the most recent one is way overpriced for what you're really getting out of it.

>>17689604
>nd
>easier to add a turbo to
what the fuck are you smoking

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who /fiata/ here?

the body work is much more aggressive and masculine than the ND's angry eyes and it lacks all the gay stigmas >>17690946 you guys are all concerned about.

>>17691109
riceshit

>>17691134
>italian body kit for a Japanese car is rice shit

wait wat

>>17691109
it literally looks like garbage on wheels. if you like this car you undeniably have absolutely shit taste and should proceed in killing yourself ASAP.

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>>17691109
The coupe looks better. Reminds me of the Fairlady Z.

>>17691368
Fiat doesnt make a Coupe yet, but they should to meet the needs of people like >>17689552 that dont want a soft top or a heavy, expensive targa top.

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>>17691109

you exchange the gay stigma with a fuccboi stigma.

congrats

>>17689900
Bait? This thread is literally about the miata rf aka the the targa top miata that is currently on the market.

>>17691047
I4 vs H4. Both have stupid high CR.

>>17690934
>corner just as hard
Except that civics are front heavy and FWD. Miatas are balanced and RWD. Those are two advantages that you cant mod out of a civic.

>base Mustang GT
>35k
>base Miata RF
>40k
Is this just Canada or is it priced like this elsewhere? I'd be willing to try "slow car fast" but that much for 155HP is fucking retarded.

>>17691956
Buy a used older one, they are all similar enough.

>>17691956
my local Mazda dealer in Trumpland has Miata RF's starting at $32k while Ferd has Mustang GTs starting at $35k.

>>17691956
>>17692019
Here in Spain Miata starts at 25k Euros, Mustang is 40k at the very least. And used Miata in good condition is betwen 5k-10k

>>17692177
>used Miata in good condition is betwen 5k-10k
¿Los de este año?

>>17689267
i want it

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>>17689267
I seriously, seriously considered this car. The fold away targa roof is my dream convertible configuration. If they could have just fixed a few fucking things, I might have bought it.

>>17691109
Right here my friend, now with red accents

>>17693122
>fixed a few fucking things
like what?

Regular soft top looks better and is much cheaper. I know plenty of people who daily drive Miata soft-tops through Canadians winters without issue.

>155 HP

>>17693315

1.)I hate the how the front end of the ND Miata looks. The slant/squinty headlights. The proportion of the grill. The way the hood slopes down. I know that bit is subjective and tons of people like it, but I hate it. Not something I realistically expect Mazda to 'fix' but it was a factor in my decision making

2.)Everyday ride quality. The 124 is more comfortable on the highway as an everyday DD (while still having less body roll when you get to corners), and whichever car I bought was/is going to be DD'd through the summer/spring/fall

3.)The 124's interior is nicer, and even if it's just cosmetic, Fiat did a better job of making it feel higher quality than mazda and the body colored plastic they put in the ND's interior

4.)No performance trim. If Mazda had/would offer a Mazdaspeed version of the RF, I would have legit had to agonize over the ND vs 124 question

>>17691956

Fucking this. The RF and the MX-5 in general is stupidly expensive in Canada. I can't see them selling very many. The NC PHRT wasnt much more than the soft top. For the price of the RF GT you could have :

Evolution final edition(kek)
WRX STI
Mustang GT track pack
Camaro SS
Golf R
Type R
Focus RS
Almost 2 Fiesta STs
BMW M240i
5 new Nissan micras
1 FRS and 1 base model Corolla

I like miatas, I owned an NC2 for years but the new cars are incredibly overpriced for what they are.

>>17689267
Just makes me wish Honda would make a S2000 with a convertible hard top.

>>17693613
If you believe Honda, the S2000 is coming back in 2018, with a BASE price of $50,000 USD

>>17693448
You know what else is stupid expensive in Canada? The Challenger. It's supposed to compete with the Mustang and Camaro, but unless you want the 5.7L boat anchor, you're paying a lot. The base R/T 392 *starts* at 50k, the T/A and SRT 392 is a good 60k. For 50k you could get a fully spec'd out GT Premium, or an SS 1LE.

>>17690969
It's still called Miata, and when you stop caring so much about what other people think of your car, you'll be well down the path to losing your virginity.

>>17694110
it's not so much about "caring" at this point as simply stating facts and explaining to others.

Mazda dropped "miata" with the NC to have a more 'globally unified' model name. "Roadster" as a model name wouldn't work so well because in english that's a type of car, so MX-5 makes sense.

Americlaps who insist on the name 'miata' certainly aren't helping.

>>17694054

I know, it's hilarious. To get a car comparable to a 37k Mustang GT you need to spend at least 13 grand more. I see very few challengers around here and I'm sure the price is the reason.

>>17693385
>3.)The 124's interior is nicer, and even if it's just cosmetic, Fiat did a better job of making it feel higher quality than mazda and the body colored plastic they put in the ND's interior
see >>17689357

test

>>17689267
Have they fixed the gearbox not being able to handle the massive 148 ft·lb of torque when coupled to an LSD?

>>17695629
I-is this real?

>>17695879
Google ND 2nd gear. Spirited driving is more than it can take, and it strips the teeth faster than a $3 ho.

>>17695879
The updated transmissions for 2017 supposedly fixed it.

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ITT: WE POST SEXY RF PICS NAOW

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>>17696078

>>17690830
And yet faster around a track than an S2000 in stock form

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>>17689357
the interior is all pretty much the same on those two cars, the biggest difference is the two tone leather seats and alcantara on the Abarth while the MX-5 has those body-color matching door panels.

>>17696446
Just curious, why the MX-5, Abarth, Fiat... have the same body? I am a noob, you know. Synergy between companies maybe?

>>17696542
The 124 and the Miata share the same plataform. The 124 is literally a Miata with a different engine and some different body panels.

>>17696561
>>17696542
Forgot to say, it's cheaper for Fiat to just buy the rights to use the Miata plataform than to develop it's own from the ground up. That's why they did it

>>17696572
its kind of the other way around, Fiat funded much of the R&D money for the new platform while Mazda handled the actual manufacturing.

all MX-5s and 124 Spiders are built at the same plant in Hiroshima, Japan; under the skin the body platform is almost entirely the same and the interiors share most components. Miatas are built with their own Mazda body panels and engines while Spiders use Fiat's multi-air turbo engines. the Abarth models are unique in that they are only partially built in Japan, then shipped to Italy to be completed with a few higher trim niceties and the more powerful Abarth tuned engines.

>>17696607
Didn't know that, nice
thanks anon