Motors n stuff

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The LS platform

>>17677145
Nice, have you done much work on them? Or just enjoy the driving experience?

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literally the best engine ever invented

Iron Duke

I identify with it a lot. It's slow, it's heavy, it's boring, and no one told it it should have died twenty years ago so it keeps showing up to work anyway.

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>>17677202
2nd best

>>17677204
Thats dark... I like you

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VVTI 1JZ

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thank you based crazy engineer.
honorable mention to hungarians

why? because water is a jews thing

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H22 muh rpms

>>17677218
Looks clean, I like the blue accents on the piping

>>17677239
Ah yes, the dreamy and memey VTEC
All jokes aside its actually a pretty clever/interesting design

>>17677232
Looks like I have some reading to do, don't know much about 356's desu

>>17677218
Why do you like it better than 2jz?

>>17677116

The V6 is the worst engine platform. It lacks the balance, smoothness and simplicity of an inline 6 and the torque and power of a V8.

>>17677286
H4 is worse
Literally every single drawback of a v6...
Plus all of the drawbacks of an I4, and none of the advantages...
...With an even worse power to weight ratio....

>>17677286
>worst
No, not worst, not ever.

They aren't the best for reasons you described but modern technology produces very smooth v6's which are light, compact, fast revving, powerful and economical which makes the ideal for higher end passenger cars.
There is a reason EVERY SINGLE MANUFACTURER now makes a quad-cam alloy v6 with 200+ kw - Ford, GM, Toyota, Nissan they're all making v6s and it's not because they are the "worst".

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>>17677312
>subie owners talk about their car's boxer as a positive attribute

>>17677318
No, it's because muh packaging and that's it

>>17677286
to be fair you can fit a v6 in basically anything with any drivetrain layout the same can not be said about i6 and most v8s

>>17677340
Plenty of engines are compact.
Why do all these manufacturers choose the v6 over say a v4?
Because it's not just "muh packaging" you delusional faggot, the v6 is a good engine and if you'd ever owned one you know that.

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S54B32, remarkable engine

N52 is my second favorite, most reliable I6 ever

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>>17677424
>>>17677340 (You)
>Plenty of engines are compact.
Yeah a .9l i3 diesel is smaller than a 9l v8 bbc, doesn't mean it's the ideal choice for a sports car
>Why do all these manufacturers choose the v6 over say a v4?
Because if they're gonna be retarded and make an unbalanced engine that's gonna shake itself apart, why be extra retarded and make everything harder and more expensive than an i4 while losing power and efficiency
>Because it's not just "muh packaging" you delusional faggot, the v6 is a good engine and if you'd ever owned one you know that.
That's where you would be wrong kiddo, but you would know that if you ever owned a car. Ive owned 2 v6s, one sports car one small suv, and the only reason they used them was muh packaging so they could shrink the size of the engine bay and so they could be shared with the rest of the transverse fwd cuckfleet. V6 does aboslutely not a single thing better than i6 other than be shorter.

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My favourite. Sure working on her is a bitch, but it's all labour of love.

>>17677934
How hard is it to work on?
Do you need to take the manifolds out to change the sparkplugs?
What about the air filters?

>>17677909
Your post doesn't even make sense, but I suppose that's the kind of cognitive dissonance you need to think an engine which all manufacturers are increasingly moving towards is"the worst".

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>>17677210
pic related is best dorito
>930 hp @ 10500 rpm
>titanium rotors
>silicon carbite apex seals
>BRAPNRAPBRAPBRAP

>>17678070
>individual throttle bodies
>variable length intake runners
>3- spark plugs/rotor
muh dick

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Audi gets a lot of shit on here, but you've gotta respect the old straight-5 turbo. Sounds mean as hell and plenty of people have gotten 900hp+ out of them. Reliably.
From 2.2 liters.

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>80 mpg (gas) without hybrid
>no tarbos
>just works forever since understressed as fuck
>forged internals and only 15 m/s piston speed at max. rpm
>cheap spare parts for tuning (cylinder head for 50€, headgasket for 5€)
>works with every shitbox oil from 15W30 to 0W20
>sounds awesome

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>>17678159
>they even improved fuel economy

>>17677204
Iron Duke was kinda smooth for its time. Way smoother than the 2.0 or the brash quad 4.

>>17677286
Engine configuration does not dictate torque.

>>17678179
Displacement, volumetric efficiency, combustion and compression do, no matter how the cylinders are arranged.

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>>17678070

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Old Chevy straight 6. Smooth as glass and can run with no oil. It makes its own oil or something. Not a powerhouse but it will outlast the vehicle by orders of magnitude.

>>17677444
>>17677460
>>17677934
>>17677145
>>17677202
Great answers. Any love for the BMW v10? Or the Toyota century v12?

>>17677232
yes, YES
air cooled all the way
trust me I am a home made hungarian

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non W12 cucks need not apply
look at this powerplant, its not an engine
>12
because fuck you 12 is more than 8
>W
because fuck you vv is more than v

chevy small block cucks 8 cylinder ONLY cucks BTFO

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>>17678320
You are like little baby
Watch this

>>17678320
V12>>>>>>W12

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>>17678293

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>>17678201
Can vouch for this.
Muh truck was parked in a field for 20-30 years, and my friend who I got the truck from got it running in the field by pouring a little oil in it, and gas down the carburetor. Its still running great since then with no carburetor rebuild or engine rebuild needed.

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>>17678068
>Everyone is doing it, so it must be good!

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gm btfo

>>17677116
>V6 "motors"
lmao

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>>17678293
>those welds on the carb

>>17678641
>carbs
These are throtlle bodies for a EFI system...

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>>17677218
>>17677239
Why is tarbo close to exhaust side

>>17678668
Because tarbo uses exhaust gas to compress intake air

>>17678655
shit
still those welds are horrendous

>>17678668
The closer it is to the exaust, the less the exaust gases cool down before entering it.
The less they cool down the more booost you can get.

>>17678637
what the fuck are you even trying to say dumb memester?

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>>17678741
>he still thinks they're motors

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>>17679520
get out.

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>>17678320
>>17678330

What a fucking boat anchor. 1600hp from that? Heh.

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>>17679546
they're better because they're not lazy boomer amerishit pushcuck lol boatanchors unlike every american engine ever

>>17679558
>all these buzzwords
Come on soviet, you can do better than that.

>>17679567
sorry that i like good non shit tier engines, americans are shit even if they have more power the motors are worse

>>17677145
lol btfo by anything, shitty engines made by shitty americans a d15 is better

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>>17679573
"Non shit" as in being huge as fuck, Weak and unreliable? You could keep a promod going with the amount of yearly maintenance required on a Chiron.

>>17679585
>pushcuck delusion

>>17679585
yeah lol, too bad you get btfo by any supra because of your slow push cuck delusions

>>17679585
stay btfo

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It just sounds so good, I'd take that over a B16 anytime.

Also, there aren't many 4 bangers with ITBs from the factory.

>>17679540
>elecuck
no, you fuck off
engines a best, but calling them motors is a shitty practice. All engines are motors but not all motors are engines.

>>17679623
These engines are good in stock for, but make shit for power unless you replace the ITBs with a standard manifold and throttle body

>>17679558
fuck off alphonse

>>17679642
>he can't differentiate between Alphonse and Soviet

>>17679585
>You could keep a promod going with the amount of yearly maintenance required on a Chiron.
You could keep losing races to a Chiron putting the amount of yearly maintenance required on it on modding an americunt car

>>17679639
you dont know what you're talking about, do you

>>17679649
>implying it's not the same guy
the dogfucker already exposed him >>17657011

>>17679649
>>17679658
and in this post too
>>17669712

>>17679658
why is alphonse/ soviet such a slut for fomoco?

>>17679639
Yeah they're not good for making any more power than what they left the factory with, not without expensive mods. But it is to be expected from a small engine with a high specific output.

Not sure what you're talking about with the ITBs though, I've never heard of anyone retrofitting a single throttle body on this engine.

>>17679653
Yes, I know that you can stroke them and cam them, but it's more money than you would spend if you were going to turbo one of them, and in order to that reliably you have to delete the ITBs and replace them with a conventional IM and TB because the plenum box can't handle the boost and trying to tune ITBs for FI is a HUGE pain in the ass

>>17679666
Seriously? People who have tried to use the 20V head in turbo setups get conventional IMs and TBs because the ITBs are a bitch to tune for a turbo setup

>>17679665
he's contrarian and knows the majority loves chevy

>>17679699
>gm fangirl delusion

>>17678058
Late answers but no and no. Only one spark plug is fucked stupid to replace, it's behind the + post and nigh impossible to access unless you take out either the + post or remove the intake air temperature sensor and backplate from the intake manifold.

Aside fr that and generally being scarce in terms of space, it's quite easy to work on. Way more reliable than what memes and /o/ make it out to be too.

>>17679634
Im not the cuck telling someone they are wrong for calling an ICE a motor

>>17679706
>delusion

>>17679731
I'm not the cuck calling an engine a "motor" as if it belongs on the same league as those electric abominations. My home A/C has a motor, my car has an engine.

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>>17678668
because it runs off of exhaust gasses? Do you not understand how a turbo works?
>>17677281
Comes with a more efficent stock single turbo. Combine that manifold design with the 1JZs shorter stroke and you get a motor that sounds better in stock form. A vvti 1j is probably the best sounding stock inline 6 turbo that has ever come out of Japan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VOtIFfE_jQ
>eggsauce sound on a stock straight piped vvti1j for reference

vvti 1jz also comes with variable valve timing which helps it spool turbos quicker. Makes 280hp and 280tq @ 2400rpms and holds it through out the powerband. Non-vvti JZs tent to have peaky power and torque curves. Good for top end speed but in most forms of motorsports, a 1jz-vvti will out-perform a 2jz from a supra if the power levels are equivalent.

>>17680204
Also that power figure is wrong, it makes closer to 320hp stock, I say this because owners of stock VVTi 1JZs have dynoed their cars with the stock ecu at anywhere from 250-270hp on the dyno

>>17680223
Well yeah most performance Japanese motors were slightly under-rated from the factory because of that gentleman's agreement. I turned the boost up to 12lbs and threw on some basic bolt-ons and made 319whp on my 1j. Great platform for cheap power

>>17680204
Good points but vvti 2jz exists.

>>17680251
Fuck yeah it is, that's why I want to swap one into an E36
What is your 1J in? Chaser? A70? IS?

>>17678594
Why not a 3S-GE or a 2ZZ-GE tho

>>17680255
vvti 2jz is okay but has a number of limitations. For one, the twin turbos it comes with stock are pretty shit and it's hard to make power with them. Sending them out to get rebuilt/upgraded is nearly 2x as expensive as upgrading the vvti 1jzs ct15. The VVTI 2J also has a smaller intake plenum and only 3 coil packs instead of 6. That and the aftermarket for the vvti 2jz is slightly smaller than the vvti 1j. You have less options when buying cams for the vvti 2j than the vvti 1j.

VVTI 2j is pretty solid but I'd still rather have a VVTI 1j unless I was building something like an aristo

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>>17680275
1jz is in a JZX100. Actually it currently is out and is in a million pieces. Doing a basic refresh and slapping on a top mount garrett GTW3884r and supporting mawdz

>>17680204
No need to be an asshole about it. And two people already answered.

Was wondering why as it currently requires 9001 ft of intake piping that way.

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>>17680275
also, JZ swaps in BMWs are my fetish
>>17680306
I would rather have 9001 feet of intake piping than have the turbo further forwards and be running a weird extended exhaust manifold set up. The way you worded your question seemed like you did not understand the basic principals of how a turbo works.

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>>17677145
fpbp

>>17680295
What do you do insurance wise if someone were to crash your chaser? Trying to wrap my head around grey market cars and the insurance logistics.

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>>17680295
>Florida plates
Nigga, you have got to tell me how you got that registered
>>17680329
>JZ swap BMWs are my fetish
Pic related

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>>17680359
Oops, well kinda wrong pic

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>>17680338
Pray, mostly. Im Insured through USAA but I have very limited coverage on the car (and a decent amount of liability) for a reason. It's legal when I get pulled over but if I ever had to file a claim for my own car I would rather pay out of pocket than risk it getting red flagged by the insurance agency and then seized. It isn't a daily so I don't worry too much and if I had to pay for someone elses damages my insurance would still cover it. I could probably manage to fly under the radar so long as I dont try to get them to repair the chaser.

>>17680359
People in Orlando helped me out with the titling. Lots of grey market imports here.

>>17680380
But the JZX100 isn't even 20 years old, how did they bypass the 25 year rule?

>>17677116
Where are the pushrods? How does that even work without them?

>>17680393
The magic of putting the cams in the heads.

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>>17680388
Florida state laws allow for the car to be titled even though it is federally illegal. Compare state titled grey market cars to recreational marijuana. The laws allow it in certain states even though there are federal laws banning it.

Cops don't care about the legality. When they stop you they ask for license, registration and proof of insurance. I have all of that so it has been a non-issue so far.

>>17680416
Fuck, VA has the 25 year rule

>>17680441
Only places where you commonly see grey market cars are Florida and Texas. I have definitely seen some from Colorado, Ohio, Pennsylvania and New York though. I don't know exactly how the paperwork goes but I know it is easier in some states than others.

>>17680457
At least I can get the engines, so E36 1JZ is more likely anyways

>>17680416
Also in Florida there's no emissions testing so I run off-road longtube headers

>>17680468
do it m8. I know they make adaptors for the BMW ZF trans to vvti 1jz. Probably full swap kits out there I'd imagine.
>>17680482
based florida. I run 3in turbo back straight pipe with a fender exit 44mm wastegate. Sorry baby seals.

>>17678627
>everyone is doing it so it's shit!
Why is this board so fucking autistic

>>17680525
nice strawman

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Because feels.

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>>17677116
Subaru EZ36, by far.

>>17680532
>nice strawman
*tips fedora*

>>17680651
>*tips fedora*
*unzips urethra*

>>17680585
Nice campfire tender you have there,

>>17680635
3.6R Master race

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>>17678070
Das it maign

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I love carbed 302s. Don't have to fuck with EFI complications and get a nice American v8 sound. Parts are everywhere for them. Easy to work on.

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N52B20

I like the 5.0

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>>17681104
The boxer 6 is literally the best engine configuration, so long as whatever car you're working on makes it easy to remove it.
>low centre of gravity
>perfectly balanced without weights

The problem is that the manufacturers who build them are retarded with their CC on occasion though.

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Detroit 71 series
Two stroke diesel available in inline config with 1, 2, 3 or 4 cylinders and V config with 6, 8, 12, 16 or 24 cylinders. Intakes through a roots blower and also has turbocharged models. Lasted from 1938 to 1995

>>17681222
Fuck off you schizophrenic faggot

My favorite

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>>17681414
Oops lol

>>17681075
>throw motor in fire
>dig it out of the ash the next day
>disassemble and clean everything
>replace everything plastic
>put it back together
>it runs

Nice try

BMW m30. The "big six" made from late 60s to early 90s in one way or another.

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>>17681065
underrated

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>>17681222
>I am not alphonse you sperg
>minutes after: >>17681336

>>17678641
You are so fucking stupid as fuck bro

Did you just say carb because you don't know shit and wanted to sound cool?

Or are you really that old that itbs looks like a fucking carb to you?

>>17678668
>>17678655
Are you two the same idiot

>>17677312
H4 is not as long, has a lower center of gravity and is balanced. Wtf are you talking about lol.

>>17680277
Cause the 4AGE is a classic.

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Have some deezal love

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>>17677116
The mighty Barra

>>17682240
3S is way better tho

>>17679685
Okay, but going turbo with that engine is just plain stupid, it doesn't take boost well, at all.

>>17685776
Are you fucking serious? The 4A takes boost like crazy, it's an iron block and specifically in the later version, a 7 rib design which makes it really fucking stout
The only reason the 20Vs have issues with boost are the plenum box and the ITBs

Never really fixated on an engine, but if I had to choose a favorite, it'd be either a 4A-GE or 1JZ-GTE
Toyota fanboy through and through

Big fan of k24 and ls1.

K24 best DD engine with enough torque to not suck. 7200rpm redline, good mpgs. 200hp out of a low stressed 87 octane engine.

I've always liked inline 5 engines. Almost the power of a 6cyl with almost the gas milage of a 4cyl. Nice balance and nice sound.

Toyota's 22RE and 5SFE, along with the 4.0L inline 6 that Jeep used, are great for their robustness