Who has the best Gasoline?

>>17654383
Chevron for that 94

>>17654390
Nah, Shell puts that V-Power stuff only in their Premium. V-Power is better than Chevron's Techron.

>>17654394
Shell doesn't sell 94 where I live only Chevron

>>17654383
Costco

>>17654405
Costco Gas is shit. Source: I used to use it.

Why do you think it's so cheap?
No Free Lunches in this World

>>17654406
>tfw I use Sam's club gas
STOP BULLYING ME

>>17654409
Hey, it's your cars valve's that get clogged, not mine.

>>17654383
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDL9bdp6u9A

Does anyone know who has the best 87 octane. My car uses 87 and I've always wanted to find out. I know everyone says that Shell is number one but Shell only puts their additive in Premium. Chevron puts Techron in every gallon of every grade. Anyone know?

>>17654383
Sonoco, that's why everyone in NASCAR has to say it every other sentence.

>>17654445
I'm talking about regular gas not racing fuels.

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>>17654415
>Hey, it's your cars valve's that get clogged, not mine.
b-but I buy the 91 octane

>>17654455
Still Sonoco. NASCAR wouldn't use it if it wasn't best across the board.

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What is the use of 89?

>>17654482
Who's second because Sonoco isn't in my state? Shell or Chevron?

>>17654489
That's what I'm wondering!

>>17654482
We're talking about normal gas that you buy for a normal car you autist

>>17654406
>>17654383
All gas comes from the same loading rack, the only difference is the additives they put in.
Source: I used to deliver said gas

>>17654563
Ok, well which company has the best additives?

>>17654565
I don't know I don't bother with additives, shit doesn't matter.
All I put in my car was additive free gas and it has shiny ass pistons that looked brand new at 250k miles.
The cars tune gas more to do with carbon buildup than the gas id say.

>>17654558
Sonoco 87 octane. I heard it on NASCAR.

>>17654573
Cars tune has *

>>17654573
Good to know, thanks

>>17654573
Isn't Shell's Gas Nitrogen enfused or some shit? How could it come from the same pipe?

>>17654586
I never delivered shell, they have their own trucks and don't contract work out to other trucking companies afaik, but I'd imagine that's just an additive as well.

>>17654597
Who'd you work for? Just curious, I used to haul gas for Western Refining.

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I get all of my gas here. Top tier for the lowest price.

>>17654604
More than one company, last was wasatch tank lines tho

>>17654615
We don't have Kwik Stars in Arizona.

Since we're taking about gas, how about gas station hot dogs?
Rate them.
Best: maverik, pilot, quicktrip
Worst: flying j/mortons, arco

>>17654656
no one likes you

>>17654684
Looooooooool thanks for the (You) and thanks for exposing your rustled rear

>>17654438
as an aussie, I never realised that there was anything below 91 octane. Over here it goes 91, 94, 98.

>>17654746
You use a different rating system, US uses RON+MON divided by two, everywhere else uses straight RON
It all has the same resistance to detonation, just rated differently.

>>17654656
tbfh burger gas station food is a sad, sad joke compared to what europoors get on the highway
>>17654573
where ever did you find additive-free gas? retail gasoline requires a minimum level of additives due to government regulations. 'top tier' is another such standard over and above government minimums but the extent to which it is better is difficult to determine
>>17654445
honestly if someone in nascar has to say something every other sentence, it's probably because money is changing hands as part of a sponsorship deal
>>17654597
this is an interesting argument for shell

honestly in my experience my suspicion is that there are only a few refineries that produce retail gasoline, especially here in the land of maple syrup and high prices. the quality of your gasoline probably has to do a lot with which refinery or refineries the station does business with, which will vary based on your location. i would expect that how well the particular franchise owner maintains his shit probably factors in to it as well. personally i just buy my gas from costco because up here it's usually 50-70 cents cheaper a gallon for premium

>>17654406
Costco gas is top tier and has a decent additive blend.
Source: I used to drop the additives myself.

>>17654983
I'm just fucking around, I've never gotten gas at Sonoco once. Watching NASCAR is just sad, especially with commentators name dropping sponsors out of place for no reason so often. Do the sponsors not realize that drives people away?

Might as well consider gas a homogeneous good. They are all the same for most intents and purposes.

>>17654383
I get shell because of the fuel rewards that gives me 5 cents off a gallon for doing literally nothing

>>17654983
>quality has to do with the refinery it came from
This is correct. My old man was an engineer for chevron working in both oil fields and refineries for 30+years
Pro tip; Costco gas is the worst you can buy across the board

gas is a homogenous good beyond the additive package.

if you buy top tier gas then you buy gas that meets the standards of quality for BMW, GM, Fiat Chrysler, Honda, Toyota, Volkswagen, Mercedes-Benz, and Audi, among others.

If a gas station is top tier then all grades (octanes) of gas meet top tier standards:
http://www.toptiergas.com/licensedbrands/

the only thing to consider potentially is ethanol free if you drive an older vehicle, drive certain types of vehicles (e.g. snowmobiles), want to use it in an appliance with a small engine (e.g. generator) or will keep the gas for a long period of time (e.g. in a gas can, not to be used for a long time). top tier gas doesn't have to be ethanol free.

>>17655058
in NY it's only 3 cents a gallon and they charge so much more for the gas vs. similar competitors that it's not worth it. hell, my credit card gives me 5 cents back per dollar at any gas station. the additional 3 cents per gallon isn't worth keeping another plastic card in my wallet. BP is similar but lets you register your credit card so swiping your credit card automatically applies your rewards for earning/redemption.

>>17655197
Are you buying 87? If so that's why, 87 you get 3 cents, 89 you get 5, and 93 you get 10.

>>17654406
>>17655169
Little known fact: Costco is a top tier gas licensed brand.

>>17655212
I generally buy 87 octane, there's a posted discount of 10 cents for 93 if you buy at least 10 gallons but no mention of an increased discount for top tier

but I try to fill up more often at sunoco (which is the gas station at most rest stops on garden state parkway/new jersey turnpike) or costco (just over the border in connecticut, 93 octane at Costco in CT is 10-15 cents cheaper than 87 octane at shell in NY).

>>17655220 here
>increased discount for top tier
whoops, top tier on the brain. shell doesn't mention a 5 cent discount for midgrade octane

when I do end up going to shell the family usually has about 70 cents to $1.30 off a gallon in stop & shop grocery points so I use that instead most of the time.

>>17655214
Not every single drop of gasoline that you get from a Costco pump is tested and ensured to be Top tier

>>17655341
pretty sure that's true of every gas station senpai

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>>17655341
Really?
You're really gonna go that route?

>>17654656
I'm gonna need you to go rate gas station sushi sold by indian managers.

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>>17654656
Love's is bretty gud, and they usually have a decent variety.
>>17655491
>gas station sushi
Anon...

>>17654383
I've always prefered Mobile. Chevron is good. I don't like Shell and they get their oil from Venezuela.

>>17654656
>/ck/

>>17654771
still you can convert one number to another
91 AKI is equivalent to 95 RON which is the worst you can get in Europe except for I think Germany where you can get 92 RON which is about 87 AKI

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>>17654406
Top Tier gasoline brands have varying amounts of detergent additive up to 4X the required minimum. Cosco states on their website they use 5X the required minimum.

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>tfw have had no issues with cheapo unbranded haji gas and just put in a bit of MMO in there every month
Why are you guys falling for this "premium" jew?

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>>17654656
Roller dogs may be old, but I like them because their skins are a bit dried out, so they have a better snap than hot dogs that were boiled. Grilled dogs are better if done right but often they get too burned and become last place for me.

>>17654656
>how about gas station hot dogs?
>Rate them.
>Best: maverik, pilot, quicktrip
>Worst: flying j/mortons, arco

I prefer costco or sam's club hot dogs not just because they are bigger, but they also come with a large drink. It definitely costs less than the gas station dogs.

Since both costco and sam's club have gas stations and hot dogs, they should be included even though you have to get the dogs inside their storefront. In my area, both Costco and Sam's use their hot dogs plus large drink combo at $1.59 as a sort of loss leader to get you to come inside the store. Costco loses $88 million dollars per year on the rotisserie chickens, but that is their other loss leader.

>>17654383
>Who has the best Gasoline?
Who has more ethanol in their premium especially at NON-top tier gas stations? Ethanol has a higher octane number and can be used to raise the octane number. Ethanol has a lot less energy than gasoline, so that means the fuel has less total energy.

>>17655214
Funny that things like qwik mart gas are so called top tier.

I'm not ever getting gas there

This top tier shit is a complete insider shill operation, where you paid a fee to get on the list to trick normies

>>17654394
Chevron is superior and I drive out of the way for it. I used to only use v power but I can get 25 extra miles out of a tank of chevron.

Whatever is the cheapest and has lots of traffic (fresh gas).

I put 2oz supertech TCW-3 in my gas each fillup and that ashless oil has plenty of cleaning properties. Engine runs quieter with the subtle fuel system lubing and with the head off things look new.

>>17659411
>This top tier shit is a complete insider shill operation
Then that means you are calling Costco a liar. While one can easily distrust the "big oil" companies, at least Costco has been a consistently good company run with benefits to its membership in mind. It's quite different from Sam's Club which is more geared to simply selling whatever it can do so profitably.

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>>17659411
>This top tier shit is a complete insider shill operation

But other organizations have investigated and determined Top Tier gasoline is a good thing. It is NOT a standard made by gas companies to sell products. It was created by a group of car manufacturers concerned that the EPA (after lobbying by oil companies) created a minimum standard that was too low for modern engines. So it's the opposite of shill since it compelled the gas companies to have fuel of better standards and more consistent quality. It also put an end to the use of ethanol above 10% being used to boost octane.

AAA is a reputable car consumer support organization. Consumer Reports is a reputable consumer support organization known for both reviewing products and product investigations.

Check out the archived thread on Top Tier gasoline. It has plenty of explanations.

http://archive.4plebs.org/o/thread/15660567/#q15660567

>>17659449
Really, so Chevron Premium is better too. I know that Chevrons 87 and 89 beats Shell.

I've got a V6 Engine. Do I need Premium or no???

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>>17660948
>I have feet, do I wear shoes or shoes?

>>17660954
What I'm trying to say is if my V6 engine would benifit in any way from switching from 87 octane to 91 octane?

>>17657436
Agreed, roller will always be superior, wish I could make them myself but the investment is large and it's just not practical.

>>17657495
Man I love those sams club hotdogs, Hebrew national and Nathan's iirc, at Costco and sams club.
Excellent hot dogs also they have those pretzels and churros and stuff.
I often go into sams club even tho I don't have a membership card, I just tell them I'm going to the cafe and they let me pass.

>>17660966
I'm right there with you, Costco food is the best. I used to go to Sam's Club to get some food until I found out one of the workers was jizzing in the ice cream machine at the one near me. I dont go there anymore.

>>17660961
What car?

>>17660979
2003 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo

>>17660978
What the actual fuck? How did you find that out?

>>17660988
Just use the lowest octane, your engine isn't 'built' for high compression/advanced timing or overly lean conditions, so the ECU couldn't give two fucks. Save your money, run 87.

If it makes you feel better, run 91.

>>17661004
I'm not in the business of throwing money away. I'm gonna go with the 87 octane. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing out on any performance but if it's no gonna make a difference, why waste the money.

>>17654482
>>17654491
Lucky me, I have 4 Sunoco stations within 10 miles of my house.

>>17661022
Damn man, hell you live at?

>>17661011
It'll say on your gas cap and/or owner's manual if you need to use high octane gas. My BRZ says to use premium unleaded, meaning the highest octane I can find (91 in Cali). The dealer also told me that the car needs premium gasoline before I drove it off the lot, but maybe that dealer doesn't suck complete ass. If your car does not require high octane gas then you are wasting money getting high octane gas

>>17656570
Scandinavia also has 92 RON, although it's mostly used to power older shitboxes.

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>>17654383 >>17660766
>Who has the best Gasoline?
The same pipeline delivers different fuels since a signaling "plug" separates substances in the pipeline. Thus the same pipeline can deliver low sulfur fuel to a set of storage tanks, higher sulfur cheaper fuel to a different set of tanks, and proprietary fuel for a certain brand to yet another set of tanks.

Gasoline is a mixture. It is not a uniform product. Besides the idea of "adding" with additives, things like sulfur are also subtracted from it thru refining. At some point, refining stops when the mixture is good enough to sell. It varies by manufacturer since they own different refineries and the ingredient percentages vary all the time because the crude oil sources are highly variable in content.

Thus pipeline gasoline from refineries will vary in the amount of other solvents and impurities mixed into it. Top Tier gas doesn't use MMT or Ferrocene. Top Tier octane is boosted by ethanol, toulene, and xylene.


Gas formulations change. Here is ARCO year 1998 gasoline:
Ethanol: 0 - 10 percent
Benzene: 1 - 5 percent
n-hexane: 1 - 2 percent
Cyclohexane: 0 - 2 percent
Ethylbenzene: 1 - 3 percent
Toluene: 7 - 14 percent
1,2,4-Trimethylbenzene: 0 - 5 percent
Xylene: 8 - 15 percent
MTBE: 0 - 15 percent
Gasoline mixture: XX remaining percent


ARCO year 2012 gasoline:
Ethanol: 0 - 10 percent
Benzene: 0 - 3 percent
n-hexane: 1 - 2 percent
Cyclohexane: 0 - 1 percent
Ethylbenzene: 0 - 2 percent
Toluene: 4 - 11 percent
1,2,4-Trimethylbenzene: 0 - 3 percent
Xylene: 4 - 11 percent
Naphthalene: 0 - 0.5 percent
Gasoline mixture: XX remaining percent


ARCO year 2015 gasoline:
Ethanol: 0 - 10 percent
Benzene: 0 - 3 percent
Cyclohexane: 0 - 1 percent
Ethylbenzene: 0 - 2 percent
Toluene: 4 - 11 percent
1,2,4-Trimethylbenzene: 0 - 3 percent
Xylene: 4 - 11 percent
Naphthalene: 0 - 0.5 percent
Gasoline mixture: XX remaining percent

The above data is what the company furnished to the US Government as a matter of public record.

>>17660996
He got some salty cream in his cone.

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>>17660966
>I often go into sams club even tho I don't have a membership card
Your access may also depend on your state's laws. In my state, no pharmacy selling to consumers may limit access to members only. It's a semi obscure law and probablly the door checkers may not realize it. I tested the Costco door checker and was refused access to the pharmacy until i showed my card. Does a law help you if the door checker doesn't remember all the things in that costco employee training binder?

Anyways, that means anyone can at least walk inside to go to the pharmacy, buy alcohol, or use the eyecare prescription services since most (if not all) states do not allow membership clubs to restrict access to medical type services.

Google the following phrase "can warehouse clubs restrict access to pharmacy from non-members?" to see what items costco and sam's are required by law to allow non-members to purchase without extra fee. Also, things that are subsidized by taxpayers are not allowed to be restricted.

I have an expensive HMO on a corporate plan. But the Sam's Club eye exam was more thorough and better performed for up and down eye movement focal length changes. Sam's fixed what my HMO did not. I will go to Sam's eye care from now on. Since I have both sam's and costco memberships, I'm tempted to see if the prescription lens selection is better at costco.

>>17661082
Very Well Written. So do you know which companies exactly have the best gasoline?

Whoever sells Top Tier branded fuel.

http://www.toptiergas.com/licensedbrands/

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>>17661238
>not this thieving bastard.
>mfw the tanker drivers ratted him out.
>tenk yoo, please come again!
>sad really, he served a mean roast goat sammich.

>gasoline

>>17661396
Ranbir Thankur seems to have had financial pressure on him (bad hotel purchase) due to excessive greed elsewhere causing him to use his two gas stations fraudulently to make money.

https://cases.justia.com/iowa/court-of-appeals/2-908-12-0441.pdf?ts=1354205092

Nothing on him at:
http://www.ripoffreport.com/
But then again, not that many people use that site to document unsatisfactory dealings.

The only two gas stations near my house are GetGo (owned by giant eagle)
And ExxonMobil, GetGo is ten cents cheaper per gallon for 87 and 89, how bad is GetGo gasoline exactly? And how bad is ExxonMobil?

>>17662430
Only you know what gas your local franchise operator provides to you. It's possible he cuts corners to make extra profit by getting cheap gas and selling it as top tier. see >>17661359

Top Tier gasoline sets limits on the amount of sulfur compounds. Cheap gas has no similar limits. Since there is a lot of high sulfur crude oil out there, it stands to reason that there will be cheaper gasoline made that has a lot more sulfur content than gasoline refined to top tier standards for sale to top tier stations.

So where does that higher sulfur gasoline go? Probably to walmart, sam's club, and supermarket gas stations.

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>>17654656
Shell 91 nitro is all I use in my scooter, but damn quick trip heard up a mean jalapeno hot dog.

>>17663763
I knew there was something up with Costco and Sam's Club gas. No way they can be that cheap.

Who has better 87 octane?
Shell or Chevron?

>>17654383
While we are on the topic of gas, how do I find ethanol free stuff?

>>17665867
Wawa

>>17654383

jesus christ in australia 91 is the cheap trash fuel you put in your shitbox

Shell 87 with the 5c discount makes it cheaper than a non top tier gasoline, this is why I think shell does not meet a top tier quality in the 87.

>people think Costco gas is shit when their entire business model is being upscale and picking what they resell carefully
We used to sell product within Costco, do vendor song and dances that sort of thing. The requirements are not trivial and Costco has a lot of say in what you can even say let alone sell in their stores.
We were kicked out nationally for about a year and some change. They don't mess around.

Mobile because it's the cheapest/closest aside from a Chevron that's literally 20-30 cents more a gallon despite only being a mile away.

>hurr cornered that mile up the road market

>>17666038
Costco even told Coke to fuck off. Coke was selling their products cheaper to WalMart. Costco wanted the same price, Coke told them no, so Costco told them to fuck off and stopped ordering Coke products. 3 months later Coke changed their minds and sold it to Costco at a cheaper rate than Walmart. Costco has too much buying power and their name is associated with quality, they can't be seen selling cheap shit gas.

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>>17654406
Don't ever fuck with Costco.

>>17654563
>All gas comes from the same loading rack
That's in your area. These terminals and tank farms are different depending on who owns them and how much land they have to install separate tanks for different products. A pig or smart pig is put into the pipeline between different products. When the pig arrives, the load for that tank is cut off and measured. The new load then goes to another tank as appropriate.

>>17665986
>kangaroo fuckers don't understand the difference between AKI and RON

So whose got a better 87 octane? Shell or Chevron?

They're the only 2 Top Tier Gas Stations near me and my car uses 87 octane.

>>17654394
wtf techron is literally the goat

>>17654394
fuck your nitrogen snake oil shill

I've been pumping shit Regular Arco gas on my dd 2000 Toyota Celica GTS(it requires premium but I'm a cheap fuck) for over 10 years , car has 187k miles on it . It Runs perfect , no problem hitting lift . For that reason I believe all these additives are bs.

>>17665708
Its an easy way to sell memberships and get people inside buying stuff.

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>>17665968
>tfw michigan
>tfw no wawa
>tfw no sheetz

Is Techron better than V-Power???

>>17660961
Use what ever your car manufacturer says to use. If your car says to use 87 it needs 87, if your car says 91 it needs 91.

Most people don't understand the difference in the numbers they just assume a higher number just means it's better gas. What people don't know is those two types of gas function slightly differently. Your octane rating is the gasses resistance to detonation though compression alone, which causes knock. The higher the number the more resistant it is, but it also requires a stronger spark from your spark plugs to detonate properly. So if cars engine has low compression and uses spark plugs with a large gap you will need 87, using 91 will be more difficult for you spark plugs to detonate therefore you car will not run as efficiently as it would with 87. If you have an engine that has high compression and a tight gap on your spark plugs you need 91, using 87 could cause the fuel to detonate prematurely do to the engines compression causing knock.

And then there's 89 not really sure what the deal with it is.

>>17668365
Thx for the info! I'm definilty sticking with 87 octane as that's what the owners manuel says.

So who has better 87 octane?
Shell or Chevron?

Chevron puts Techron in their regular. Shell has V-Power but they only put in their premium.

I don't know, who owns 76?
I usually use them since it's near my house and on my way back from work.

>top tier gas

>Days since last Jewish trick: 0

>>17654489
To mix with 93 to make 91 (source: most audis I've driven recccomend 91 and most pumps only have 93/89

>>17655197
Uh which card is this?

>>17657426
Back to /pol/ with your misinformation

>>17669209
>Being this uneducated about the world

>>17668365
People have tested higher octane in the VW 2.5l 5cyl and found the ECU likes to adapt to it and can (very slightly) increase power and mileage. This is apparently only true for cars that have ECUs that actively adjust to octane

Does it even really matter what octane you get

>>17665986
You fucking moron. Go back to your containment thread

>>17667164
Nice anecdote. Let's all go with that and throw logic to the wind!

>>17669233
Depends on the car, most cars no

>>17669233

Not really.

Pretty much any vehicle made in the last 15-20 years is smart enough to adjust timing/fuel when it detects engine knock.

If you need 91 according to the manual and put in 87, you might notice marginally less power (I think my car it results in a 6% power drop), and slightly worse fuel economy, but that's about it.

You won't roast the motor (as long as it's stock and not running some horrible custom tune), won't ruin anything, you'll just make slightly less power and use more gas.

>>17669219
>Thinking memes=education

Truly man, back to /b/ with this shit. 4chan isn't some secret society with all the answers, if you're deluded enough to think it is, then you're just as bad as people who believe cable news

>>17654405
This

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Can I put 87 octane in a C5 vette? I wanna buy one but 91 octane costs 30% more and that's gay. I don't care if I lose 20hp.

>>17670510
Wow quit being such a jew. Its literally a few bucks more per tank

>>17670510
there's a good chance you'll get engine knocks and pings

>>17670794
No it's fucking not.

$50 tank -> $65. At 27mpg I use $450 of gas per month. Using 91 octane will cost me over $1500 extra per year.

>>17670856
Also I spent $5040 on gas last year. That's at 27mpg, a vette will let closer to 20mpg.

$5040 + 30% = $6550.

Getting 20mpg, using 91 octane will add over $2000 per year over 87 octane. Basically if I use 87 octane I can buy a new fucking engine every year.

>>17670820
Most modern vehicles have anti-knock sensors though
But it's fucking retarded to have a high compression sport car and not running it like a commuter because you can't afford the fuel

>>17670976
I'm delivering pizza. Corvette just makes the most sense as a DD to me format wise, but I don't need 350hp at all times.

>>17670976
Anti-knock sensors will reduce your car's performance SIGNIFICANTLY. Its not good to run your car in such a gimped state

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>>17671103
>Corvette just makes the most sense as a DD to me format wise

>>17671135
Liftback

2 seats

About the same size as a new Civic

Fiberglass body panels can't rust in Canada

Highly reliable (for a sportscar)

Removable targa hard top

Engine has massive potential and tons of parts

Only 3150lbs so better in city driving than most other V8s

Pricing out regular parts like a brake and rotor kit for all 4 wheels is only about $70 more than my accord

Out of reach of teenagers to beat on, only garage kept by boomers and kept mostly pristine.

No old $2000 turbos to replace

Could go on forever.

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>>17671103
Pizza dagumi C5 fugggg!

>>17671184
or you could just drive a civic for 3k, save all the gas in the world. NOT run the car in gimped mode thats really not good for the car and not damage or ruin your corvette.

>delivering pizza
>drives a corvette
bait

>>17671209
Well, if I save $2000 each year using 87 octane I can replace the entire engine every 1-2 years, or after 5 years buy a whole new Corvette, just from the savings of not using 91.

I have a 10k accord already and don't need a 3k Civic. This is about balancing fun and cost.

If it can be detuned for 87 I will save nearly $12000 over 5 years.

>>17671224
Made $4k cash delivering pizza in June. A c5 vette is only like $13-16k.

>>17671228
use the accord and save all that money, no need to fuck your corvette up, ruin its value and pocket all that money.

>if it can be detuned
you're a fucking retard

>>17654383
>techron
>v-power nitro +
are you seriously stupid enough to fall for marketing tactics

>>17671256
It can be tuned for 87 according to vette forums so my question is answered. Some people swap base maps between 87 and 94 apparently.

>NE Ohio
>Plagued with Speedway / Marathon
>2 Speedways in city block
>Only choice for 87 and 93

How fucked am I?

>>17669440
my wife bought herself a merc GLK. She put 87 one week and it ran like shit. Same thing with a friend and his E series. Tried to be a jew and ended up driving like shit for a week. Just put whatever's is on your gas cap.

>>17670510
Don't buy a car if you can't afford the right fuel.

>>17671315
ADDITIVE PACKAGES ARE REAL

WHAT THE COMPANIES CALL THEM IS THE MARKETING

CHEVRON > SHELL FYI

>>17670510
>Can I put 87 octane in a C5 vette?
You can but it will force the computer to retard each of your cylinders' unique ignition sequences. This of course results in lower MPG and lower power and lower acceleration. The lower accel may even cause you to stomp the pedal more thus increasing fuel consumption.

Another way to look at it is:
a. 91 octane costs 30% more at arco
b. 87 octane results in 12% (guess) lower MPG and 25% lower mpg only when accelerating.

So your net savings in cost is not 30% but probably around 21 to 22%. You'll have to measure out your actual results. I assume you know the MPG you got with 91 octane. So once the tank is about empty you can refill with 87 octane and see the MPG difference averaged across the whole tankful. Since you have the cost per gallon, that gives you the dollar savings.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-technology/news/a18008/premium-fuel-futures/

As to whether or not the engine life is decreased if you run the lower octane, my GUESS is that you are okay as long as the knock sensor is working and there is not even the slightest knock. Can there be knock or ping you cannot hear with your ears? Yes. But the computer, if the sensor sensitivity is working properly, will retard until there is none.

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>tfw have to use 89 or 93 octane in my shitbox or my knock sensors get pissed the fuck off

Thanks toyota.

>>17669079

what the fugg

here in Canada we basically only have 87, 89, and 91. some of the stations in Toronto will have 94 for rich arabs in their lambos, but that's about it.

89 is a waste of money, no car has ever recommended "mid grade" fuel

>>17674436
The manual says you can use 87 but 91 is recommended. After a lot of reading on forums it seems a lot of people use 89 in their vettes with no noticable difference, but some notice pinging and massive losses of performance with 87.

89 is fine since it's only like 15% more and not 30%

>>17654656
Pilot flying j are the same company

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>>17654383 >>17661082
>because of the additives they put in.

Fuel Addititive reviewing site:
http://www.fuel-testers.com/review_gas_treatment_products.html

As for water removal, your E10 gasoline removes water because ethanol is hygroscopic. It's when you have too much water that the ethanol in your tank becomes "overloaded" with water. When that happens, it no longer mixes with the gasoline and separates out. This is the dreaded phase separation problem. But it is really a non-problem in modern cars because your gas cap fits tightly on and doesn't really let more air in (thus no more water vapor). The gasoline in the tank evaporates and that is what compensates for the vapor pressure as gas is sucked out of the tank.

Here's what gasoline phase separation looks like:
http://www.fuel-testers.com/remove_water_gas.html

http://www.fuel-testers.com/is_gas_additive_safe_with_e10_list.html

>>17654383
Neither. Gate has ethanol free

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Is this stuff just a meme?

HOW IS THERE NO YOUTUBE OF MOBIL'S DRIVE YOUR ENGINE CLEAN COMMERCIALS

>>17676208

lol i JUST BOUGHT a bottle of that today. gonna try it out tomorrow. not expecting a whole lot but lets see

>>17676233
Lucas Fuel System Cleaner is the one with PEA detergent. The Lucas fuel injector cleaner has no PEA.

I get dat RaceWay 87 swill.

What should I run in a 2.0 turbo?

Anything special?

>>17676233
It's hard to notice something when it takes so long to work. You have to use a borescope to peer into a cylinder.

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>>17676386
>What should I use with a 2.0 turbo?
Synthetic oil and top tier gasoline of the proper octane your manufacturer recommends. Good turbo cars spool down when you shut off the ignition. That reduces turbo heat soak degradation of the oil, but you can improve the situation by using synthetic oil.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_oil

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>>17678538
>HE DOESN'T PULL HIS SPARK PLUGS AND CHINK-SCOPE HIS CYLINDERS AFTER EVERY TANK

YGSIU PLEB

>>17680108
Chris-Fix did his tests of various types of fuel additives. In general, they only have a small effect. The one he liked the most was SeaFoam but adding it to the manifold is pretty extreme way of using additives.

To find his additive test videos where he uses a borescope in every cylinder before and after testing, just google "youtube chrisfix techron" and the other additive videos will probably show up on the sidebar as related links depending on what google thinks of your past search history.

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>>17680108
With a cable like that, it seems more like someone puts it inside ductwork to spy on people's bedrooms or bathroom.

>>17671228
>save $2000 each year using 87 octane
You drive 150,000 miles each year?

>>17654573
Beg to differ here, kind of.

Less popular gas stations are ones I personally avoid.
>Road tripping across the states to visit some friends and family
>Decided to get off the interstate and run down the highways for a bit
>Come across construction and detour signs
>End up in the middle of nowhere, low fuel light comes on
>Find a small Mobil and fill up with premium, as usual
>Before I got out of the parking lot my CEL came on
>K line was going crazy, knock sensor was going nuts
>Heard a ton of pinging under load
>Drove easy until finding a Wal Mart

Had other issues with bad gas at a small station before buying the Subaru as well.
>Visiting friends and family, friends told me to avoid the BP
>BP is the only gas station that carries Boston Cream pies so I ignored their advice
>Parking lot is deteriorating, everyone else was going to the shell across the road
>Filled up from e and the car started running weird
>Difficulty starting, rough idle, hesitation
>Problems went away on the next tank

>>17657436
>Tornados
God yes.

Little sister works at BP and gives me the roller items if I stop in during rotation time.

Around 8pm she takes the old stuff off and gets the new items going.

I've walked in and received an entire roller full free due to nasty snow storms.

>>17682093
The gas sits longer in slow stores.

I personally know people whose vehicle was trashed by old E85.

Apparently the gas station hadn't gotten a new fill of e85 reserves in over a year