I want this... but do I need more than 2 seats?

>>17641633
2nd gen Ford Probe. Even the i4s are fun. And they have 4 seats. Plus, massive trunk. Me and my brother are both bassists, and we can haul all 3 of our basses and 5 people in the car. Not the most comfortable, but you get used to it.

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I don't know nigga, it's fun af to drive but you're asking us if this is right for you and we have no idea about your life.

So we'll use my life and experiences. I owned an MR2 AW11 in highschool and that thing was fun af, especially when it rained. However, unless your a faggot with no friends 2 seats will not be enough. If you ever want to hang out you need two cars for your group because you're the fag with only 2 seats and not even a trunk for a third small person.

The AW11 is a bitch to work on just because it's so fucking small, it's like a fucking toy I'm not kidding. Parts aren't that easy to find at a junk yard and it's an old fucking car so price of upkeep is up there. There's a reason these are called money pits. Read the sticky fag.

>>17641633
E36 318ti.

Super fun suspension design, comfy, reliable once the cooling system is refreshed, hatchback will almost fit 2 sets of wheels with the seats down

It's like a comfy E30

>>17641661
I have no problem with mechanical repairs
but you are right I couldnt take my whole band :(
>>17641665
I can't tell if the E36 is a meme car or not- Id prefer something rear-engine

>>17641695
>Id prefer something rear-engine
>wants an MR2

underage pls go

>>17641698
sorry, shouldnt been clearer. not front engine.

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>>17641695
>>17641700

>>17641814
see, you kid, but I would actually consider something like this. My only specification was that it had to be *fun*- be interesting, not just a way to get from point a to point b. Admittedly I was a little dismissive of >>17641665

>>17641695
The E36 sedan/ coupe are pretty different to the hatch. Just do the full cooling system and you're golden.

Why do you want rear engine specifically? You should base your car buying around things like fun or handling dynamics not where the engine is located.

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>>17641836
The only non-mom car I've ever driven was rear engine, and I know how to too-gay in a rear engine. I'm not so sure if the techniques would be so different, but I think I should go for something that feels natural to drive.

>>17641828
Wait so you want something interesting? Not necessarily fun? Because they are very different things.

Just remember anything 'interesting' will be expensive and hard to maintain.

>>17641861
Sounds like you've got no idea what you are talking about desu.

Engine position definitely plays a part in how a car handles but it's setup and suspension design play a bigger part. Well designed front engined cars are renowned for being predictable on the limit which is exactly what you want in your first fun car

>>17641862
hmm, I suppose interesting would be inherently fun to me. My dad owns a mini cooper LS- its slow as fuck, tiny, no air conditioning, if you turn too tight the wheels scrape the wheel well and the engine is the most unreliable piece of british engineering in the world- but god damn, is it fun.

>>17641866
hmm, youre maybe right to be honest. Ive never driven at any kind of speed in a front engine car, its probably the same. I suppose I just hear people talk a lot about there being an astronomical difference.

>>17641873
I'm not saying it has to be fast to be fun but a Kombi van is interesting, not a whole lot of fun to drive.

You need to do some more research and drive more cars. If rear engine or mid engine was that much better than Toyota would have made the GT86 mid engined, BMW would have made all they're M cars mid engined, etc etc. Other factors have a bigger difference

>>17641885
how do I drive more cars? :( none of my friends drive and Im only allowed to drive 3 of my parents cars

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>>17641828
i'm not even kidding
i'm a drummer with a wifev and two kids and i kind of half daily a T3 camper like pic related
i love it, except for the gas mileage (1.9L gasoline)
maintenance is piss easy too, and parts are plenty and cheap
huge helpful online/offline community is a plus
i'm yuropoor tho

>>17641862
>Just remember anything 'interesting' will be expensive and hard to maintain.
false
i could sell my T3 today for twice the amount i got it two years ago

think things through, op
don't rush into anything
you'll find what works for you

>>17641885
>not a whole lot of fun to drive.
i beg to fucking differ desu

>>17641894
woah... how does it handle off-road?

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think about it this way, op, i'll spell it out for you:

a fucking bedroom inside your car

>the possibilities

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>>17641906
but theres a bed in my car already

>>17641901
mine is 2WD, and it's plenty enough except when it's crazy steep
i mean, it's a camper van, not a fucking Unimog

but you can get a 4WD 2.1 if you really want off road, or swap for a Subaru 2.2

stock is mostly hassle free (no turbo, no electronic injection, no nothing)

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if you want fast, there is always this:
>Porsche has created a version called B32 in a limited edition. The van, based on the luxurious Carat model, was equipped with the 231 PS (170 kW) 3.2 liter Carrera engine and was originally developed to support Porsche's testing activities in Algeria. Ten of these were built, with some sold by Porsche to special customers. Porsche themselves also used the Porsche-engined bus to transport staff rapidly.[3] Top speed was around 135 mph (217 km/h), although Porsche only claimed 116 mph (187 km/h) to ensure that the numbers could be replicated with nine people in the car and with the air conditioning on full.[3]

>>17641960
god didnt intend for this

>>17641899
compared to a miats, mr2, old bmw or literally almost anything on a twisty mountain road??

come on now

>>17641979
>when you gotta go fast with the horn section

>>17641987
what do you mean by fun?
racing everywhere like a retard?

i enjoy my slow super comfy armchair ride on springy oldschool shock absorbers, *especially* on a twisty mountain road

i avoid city and highway driving like the plague, tho

>>17642032
Fuck off old man. i don't race everywhere like a retard. This kid you're suggesting a car to has even said he's been on a too gay. now get off you're high horse and understand that OP was asking about an aw11. I can therefore assume that when he said fun he meant involving to drive hard and good handling.

No doubt I've always wanted a kombi ute, I think they are cool as fuck. But would I buy it because it is fun? fuck no.

Learn to interpret

>>17642056
you sound super angry for some reason

>>17642056
well yes you are mostly correct because I think that having a car that can t o o g a y will keep me interested in it.
HOWEVER, I don't mean to exclude cars that dont necessarily go fast- as long as it's interesting and will make me want to continue to drive for enjoyment I'll drive it. Though that does mean that typically yes the car needs to be fun and that typically means a car needs to be fast/have good handling.

>>17641633
try fitting a bass in the trunk. I can't fit a bass in my miats trunk but the passenger seat can fit a passenger and a bass if you need

>>17641861
>>17642056
wtf is 'too gay'?

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>>17642074
>im not the newest fag
feels good

>>17642070
well said, op
fun ≠ fast

>>17642080
thanks for the help

>>17641633
OP, you will be fine. The trunk in an AW11 is bigger than it seems. Fits golf clubs just fine. You can fit a bass in there. If you empty out the frunk (no spare) you can fit an medium sized amp in there (I've done it). And two seats is all you need. It gives you the perfect excuse not to ferry people around.

AW11s are substantially more practical than Miatas. I own both and I can tell you that the AW11 has more interior space and doesn't feel cramped, and WAY more trunk/storage space. My AW11 has also never left me stranded. Even the time it blew a headgasket it drove me home with two of its cylinders.

>>17642074
>>17642080
>>17642086
nevermind, i found it
>峠
>as expected, that's retarded

>>17642097
this is the response I was hoping to hear, but I'm trying to avoid my confirmation bias. If I wasn't going to get an aw11 it was probably gonna be a miata but I'm too insecure about my manliness to own one yet

>>17641633
>>bassist in a band
dropped
>>17641649
droppd you and your bro as well

>>17642116
don't worry rhythm guitarist I'm sure you'll be important some day

>>17642116
thank you for your contribution to the thread

My coworker has a 93 turbo and it's fun as fuck to drive, but there is literally no space for anything. Also if one of your friends is overweight good fucking luck

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>>17642056
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTg5JpBi5Ls

OP get a celica supra

>>17642178
I was thinking about it. anything I can listen to 1980s japanese city pop in is a great car

>>17642115
A Miata won't fit your bass in the trunk, an AW11 will.

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>>17642226
really? it seems kinda big in pic related but I suppose it's just deceptive. problem is though is that I have to fit a bass amp as well, which I'm positive Id stuggle with in the AW11 just a little at least.

>>17642258
Probably not because the AW11 has two trunks.

Also if you have a spare in the Miata you eliminate all your trunk space. If you have a spare in an AW11 it only takes away frunk space, not trunk space

>>17642258
C E L I C A S U P R A

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>>17642269
have you previously owned one anon? what's it like? are you >>17642097
>>17642280
I SAID ILL THINK ABOUT IT

>>17642258
>a bass amp
well you're fucked

>>17642301
its only a combo. still considerable though, 150w

>>17641633
>I want a fun car but I don't want a fun car

You're the cancer that's driving the CUV phenomenon.

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>>17642337
see, I can have fun in lots of ways. I think writing is fun. I enjoy watching fashion shows and sketching designs. I make little wooden nick-nacks with a wood turner in my shed. okay, sure it's not downhill BMXing or stratosphere skydiving but I still think they're fun.

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>>17642296
I am both of those posts, and I've owned two AW11s, and done just about everything on my current one.
I am from Pennsylvania but I go to the University of Alabama and I survived all year with my AW11. The girlfriend adored it. Regularly drove it for an hour and a half straight on the weekends to go into Birmingham.

The only time I ever wished I had more room, was when I was moving stuff out of my apartment and into my storage unit that was 15 min away. It took 4 trips in the AW11 and would have taken 1 in a SUV or two in a midsize sedan.

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>>17642371
Thanks for the insight anon. I think I'll get one

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>>17642296

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>>17642499
>>17642504
W-WHAT ADVANTAGES DO YOU HAVE O-OVER THE M-MR2

>>17642507
>more space
>more comfy
>not prone to snap oversteer
>could put a JZ if you wanted to
>looks pretty nice on 14 inch wheels

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>>17641633
I just miss being able to throw a bag in the backseat more than I miss passengers
Its kind of irritating having to lift up the cover everytime I want cargo....but hey
Mad skids and cargo space should I need it

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>>17642510
>more space
thats true
>more comfy
that's entirely personal. I have back issues so maybe it's different
>not prone to snap oversteer
I dont drive like that
>could put a JZ if you wanted to
I'd rather not but ok
>looks pretty nice on 14 inch wheels
personal preference

I raise you this: does it come with a t-top roof?
>>17642521
gday ausbro

>>17642529
>does it come with a t-top roof?
sawzall and an afternoon

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>>17642534
>destroying a car
y-you havent done this, right?

I would ask why are you going out of your way to accommodate other people?

If you are running the show and have something monetary to gain from it then you could justify the band's transport but some earnings have to go back into the transport to cover that service.

Even if everyone agrees to chip in most of the cost is still going to be on you and it is not unlikely someone will find many excuses to consecutively not add to pot.

I had an octavia wagon when I was a guitarist in a band and we could have carried nearly everything but I was an "asshole" and insisted we hired another friends van on those nights. My car was for my shit and when we split the costs evenly it was significantly less than me driving since our friend gave us a preferential rate but enough that it was still worth his time, so he worked along with us and provided an actual service. And most importantly it was fair.

>>17642569
I like driving with other people. every now and then I go driving late at night with my buddies either to parties or to the city or just to fuck around. MR2 means only one person.

t.has a crippling fear of lonliness

>>17642581
>MR2 means only one person.
Celica Supra has 2 rows of seats anon

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>>17642597
I see your point, but I raise you this; why would'nt I just get a 280zx

>>17642602
i6>v6
inherently balanced
more room in bay for werkin
s130 a shit and is more cramped in the back

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>>17642605
Very good points... I'm gonna have to sleep on it though anon, I have a test tomorrow I didn't study for. Have a good one~

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>>17642613

>>17642597
>>17642605

280 and celica supra are both i6

>>17642887
oh I thought they had the vg30
either way, 280 isn't a Toyota = 9/10 times it's going to be in worse condition

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>>17642371
Mind posting a picture of your car from the front. Your paint job intrigues me

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>>17642977
I painted the car, because when I got her she was a total rust bucket. I did a lot of body work. The fenders were rusted out so I don't feel bad about the flares. This is a picture after the paint had cured before someone trim went back on like parking lights.
The roof in my previous picture was plastidipped black for shits and giggles to see if I liked the look. I think the black top half looks great now.
When I finish college I'll be able to finish all the body work fiberglass the flares into the body and then get her a real paintjob.

>>17642977
Btw do you own that car? Do you have an Instagram I can follow? I have an Instagram for my AW11 and WRX

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>>17643119
Not mine sadly, I found it on a mr2.com thread. I'm planning on painting mine similarly but with a dark blue/light blue instead of red and black.

I can't come to a decision on which body lines to follow and where to change colors.

I'm considering buying one too. I got a thing for the first gen, although I want it as a car I use solely for meets, and hopefully a car to add some mods to(exhaust for one).
How easy is it to work with these cars? What's the maintenance like? The cost for upkeep?

>>17643145
Good luck m8

>>17643313
There are two things that make these cars difficult to work on.
1. Midengine
2. Rusty/seized bolts

If you have long and skinny arms, or you have a decent lift, the midengine won't be much of a problem at all. I know it isn't that big of an issue for me.
The bigger issue is the same thing you'll have with any other 30yo car. Shit gets Rusty and bolts like to seize and break off. With a small engine bay like the AW11 it's almost impossible to drill a broken bolt out. So buy lots of PB Blaster, and don't use an impact gun. Use a breaker bar because you can feel if and when a bolt is going to loosen or break.

Otherwise repairs are very cheap, parts are plentiful because the 4age is a common engine and there were a decent number of AW11s sold.

Cost of upkeep just depends on the condition of your specific car. 30yo parts tend to break once and a while. The powertrain is fantastic and almost bulletproof. Stuff goes like the alternator and igniter and shit like that. But it's easy and quick to fix.
The engine is hillariously simple so there isn't a lot that can go wrong. Stuff is easy to diagnose. I mean how many CEL codes does an OBD11 car have? The AW11 has 10 CEL codes total.
Mine was expensive initially and since then has been dirt cheap. And by expensive initially I mean about $1000 in parts and a ton of my time. But I bought two shit heaps and used the one for parts for the other. Worked out great.

>>17643450
Thanks, if this threads still alive I'll post a picture.

I'd just add that the mid engine difficulties on repairs, to me, are less intimidating than newer cars. The simple fact that I can see sunlight or my garage floor through the engine bay is heaven compared to most cars around these days.

Alternator likes to die because the hood dumps water on it

Looking to buy an MR2, there's a great deal that's quite a few states away from me. Does anyone have advice on getting a car shipped/moved for me? I could obviously fly there and drive it back but this would help me work around my business/school.