1st car in Canada?

>>17601986
half of 3k civic

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>>17601986
Subaru wagons

For $1500 You're pretty much looking at anything that runs. Where I'm at the only thing you can buy for $1500 are beat to shit farm trucks and end-of-life dodge neon-tier cars.

>>17602273
i see a lot of shitty toyota echos, riced out civics and rolling shells..

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>>17602312
Echos can be made fun if you know what you're doing. Toss a supercharger at the 1.5L, some came, suspension mods. Can have a legitimate fun car, especially if you get the manual 3 door hatch. The hatchback models were exclusive to Canada.

>>17602356
>some came
*cams.
JUN makes a performance set of cams for the 1NZ-FE engine

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>>17602356

>>17602356
the hatchback echo is not that shitty. theres a RS model too just so you know. but yeah, for a first, ill probably buy it

>>17601986
shitbox corolla/civic/echo
yeah it's not a "fun" car, but you learn basic maintenance, and you won't be missing it if it gets destroyed somehow.

you can have fun in any car, really

>>17602403
even the sedan and coupe would do in a pinch, but the hatch is more desireable. The aftermarket support for them comes from their sister cars, the Scion xA, and first gen xB, neither of which were sold in Canada, so you'll have to import parts from the USA.

>>17602417
the scion xB was actually sold in Canada :)

>>17602407
that is very true. but if the opportunity comes, ill buy a car more desireable

>>17601986
>1500$
Festiva or Geo Metro

they are the ultimate poorfag shitbox

>>17602471
jokes on you theres no ford festiva where I live and ive never seen a geo metro running on the road

>>17602436
only 2010+ models, which were trash.
The 2008 design is completely unrelated to the Echo

>>17602471
try Aspire or Suzuki Swift

>>17602669
thanks! ill consider it.
oh and the Aspire is not available where i live

>>17602856
please note the Canadian Suzuki Swift+ is just a Chevrolet Aveo and should be, generally, avoided

>>17603014
noted.

>>17602356
THIS
>>17602403
THIS
>>17602407
and THIS.

The Toyota Echo, 1st gen, is pretty much top for a poorfag 'as fun as your dollar can go' in Canada.
>but but MIATA IS AL-
Theyre 8000 here for an NA. They may be cheap as dirt in the US, but they're fucking overpriced here.

They're pretty nippy stock, but slap a JUN cam on it and a decent set of Tiens and you're looking at a 4 seater go-kart.

>>17601986
Save more money and keep taking the bus for another year

>>17603302
true. a miata in Canada is between 5000 and 11 000$ with over 150 000km!

>>17603311
no

>>17603323
And if you live in a shit province (NS) like me, it's still a shitshoot as to whether it's got frame damage or not.

With my Civ', it was a bad call. Buts it's all fixed now, so I guess it's all good if you're determined.

Also, EM2s are fun to toy around with, just avoid the autos like the plague, and buy one that works. Trust me.

>>17601986
What city? We'll have a look on Kijiji for you.

>>17603371
i wont say my city but i can travel. im in Quebec

>>17601986
I have the perfect first car for you. I got into my first accident with this car. Kept me safe as a pet rock at 60mph. Barely any damage. Other car was totaled (Jetta).

This car will give you endless fun. Big as fuck, lots of space for girls and friends, and also, good power for spirited driving, or I guess, the illusion of power.

Things to beware of:

>Gas cap rusts so it looks ugly
>Catalytic converter and head gasket problems will arise

That's really all that went wrong with mine.

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>>17603531
>pic related

2004 Chevrolet Impala. I would try to find an LS, but the Base is fine. Get an aftermarket head unit, or just get a Retrak Cassette Aux cord for $15 from Best Buy and you're golden.

>>17603507
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-autos-camions/ville-de-montreal/2007-saab-9-3-aero-berline/1284311356

>capcha: ontario park

>>17603542
thank you anon! really appreciate the suggestion!

>>17603584
damn thats a really good price for a car like this. plus, it comes with 4 winter tires thats cool!

>>17603586
If you're looking at at, just about any of the W-body platform cars will do.
Cons:
>FWD
>automatic only
>unreliable automatic transmissions

>>17603586
No probs! It's my go-to first car recommendation because that thing is a tank. I had the Base with the 3.4L making 180hp and 205tq, but the LS is the mid trim with the 3.8L making 200hp and 225tq, the Impala SS makes like 240hp and 280tq which was epic.

Whichever car you pick, make sure it's big, since it's your first car. Big because it's safer than most "sub compact" piece of shits on the road.

>>17603671
ill search for big GM cars
not a toyota yaris-like shit car

>>17603671
what about a Crown Vic?

>>17603746
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI2ctRRtQXo
just because it's a big car doesn't mean it's safer than a smaller one

>>17603714
ignore that guy. He has no idea what he's talking about a big car is no safer than a small car. It's all in how well it's designed.
Realistically speaking, you're safer crashing a Smart Fortwo than a Ford Crown Victoria

>>17603639
>>unreliable automatic transmissions
They are all in junkyards already. Any 4T60E still rolling will overlast the car

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>>17603867
>implying the 4T60E is the only problem child transmission
There's also the 4T65E (standard on 3.8L cars), and the 4T65E-HD (standard on 3.8L supercharged cars)

>>17603802
im sorry im a begginer in car design/mechanic. i like them a lot but i really dont know all of it. in my head it made sense that bigger vehicles = safer vehicles

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>>17603875
What ever variant. They all have been trashed for a long time. Only strong ones still run.

>>17601986
1500 loonies is really tight. I think you want 2 or 3 grand at least

An older Accord is your best bet. Under 200k kms is nice, but being well taken care of and serviced is even more important

>>17603891
It does, don't listen to the cucks. The more mass you have, the harder it will be to stop you.

Crash a bonneville in a echo and the crumble zone will be the ecuck driver.

>budget of $1500
>posts a $5000 car

>>17603927
its just a random 180sx that i found on google images calm down

>>17603910
yeah i should save a little longer to get a better vehicule

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>>17603891
A Smart Car is LITERALLY safer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoG2W7l5XhM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP6YYCcvwPs
Size was a talking point repeated by the media for years to help promote sales of fuck-huge SUV's that flipped over at the turn of a hat.

>>17602356
LMAO didn't you crash this thing.

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>>17603956
wat

>>17603948
>Crashing a car at low speed in a barrier

>>17603973
31 MPH is the speed most average crashes happen at.
>but that's not fast enough to cause harm to people!
bullshit. Stop talking out your ass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_r5UJrxcck
There's your fucking mass argument
>They don't make them like they used to!
Thank fucking god.

>>17603948
thank you for your information! but, i dont have the money for a smart car and i dont think its my type of car. it may be safer but its a bit too small

>>17603948
>Compares a 50 years old car
20 years old wbody has crumble zones and they would still crush you in your ecuck

>>17603984
Was just making a point. Don't let these mouth breathing retards scare you into thinking you need some fuck-huge land yacht to you safe.
Do research. There are modern cars today that are unsafe as fuck to drive... Most of them are Chinese but still.

>>17603993
Same arguments can be levied with small cars anon.

>>17603981
bullshit yourself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExQUGk12S8U&t

>>17604010
So it seems mass does matter after all.

>>17604010
>>17604083
It does, but nowhere near as much as they make it out to be. The goal of safety features is that you walk away from an accident. Small, or large, depending on what speed you crash at, you will.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnI-LiKCtuE

>>17604103
Crash a smart in a full size sedan and you are jello. Stop trying to deny the laws of physics.

>>17604254
That crashed it into a fucking Mercedes S-class, the biggest sedan they make. You'll be fine

>>17604261
And the occupants would be dead if both were going at only 20 mph.

>>17604265
no. they wouldn't. Stop making shit up because your opinion has been disproven as untrue.
Part of being a mature adult means admitting when you're wrong. Is the occupant of the S-class safer? Yea. I never disputed that, Does that mean the occupants of the Smart car are automatically dead? no.
I actually took physics anon. The Smart car redirects the energy elsewhere.

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Smarts are total shit at safety. They had to drop the manual in favor of the weirdest automashit ever designed because even a 5 mph crash resulted in severe injury.

>>17604291
>calls smart car shit
>posts chinese car that is CLEARLY not a smart car
The tail lights tell us anon

>>17602471

>geo metro

Can confirm. Bought mine for 200 bucks and needed new tires, shocks, tie rod, brakes, and eventually engine rebuild.

Normally this would be a horrible investment but geo metro parts are cheaper then dirt and readily available. The car is very easy to work on and I've fixed all of the aforementioned issues, added sway bars off a sedan, rear spoiler off a turbo model, center console from a dodge neon and seats from a Suzuki Esteem for $1100 including purchase price.

>>17604298
>VW crossfox
>chinese

good job autist

>>17604342
meh. Don't blame me for not 100% IDing a car. I just knew it wasn't a smart. Neither America, nor Canada got the VW Fox.

>>17604411
lucky you, it is a fucking cuckbox in every sense of the word

To the retards in here trying to kill OP by telling him to buy a smart car, fuck off. Larger vehicles will ALWAYS be safer than smaller vehicles. You and me go head to head, you in your smartfortwo and me in my Impala and you will die, or walk out of your car, sorry, get dragged out of your car, with pieces of your car lodged inside your abdomen, and glass cutting up your face, plus a bruised arm and likely a broken knee, maybe even a leg. I on the other hand will walk away with a small ache, which will go away in a few minutes.

Larger cars are always safer than smaller cars, head on into a wall, or head on into other cars.

This is because in a larger car, the body has more reaction time to settle during the moments of impact, which allows the body time to brace for impact, more time than a person would have in a smaller car, where impacts are instant to the person inside and where they will harm the occupants.

>TLDR
If you want to walk away unscathed, get a big car.
If you want to walk away with broken bones and stitches with internal bleeding and organ damage than get a small car and pray your driving skills are good enough to use that small Hyundai Accent with it's shittiest of the shit tires and brakes to avoid a collision.

Only fucking fags drive small cars.

>>17604444
And if anyone tells you that big cars kill, yes, they kill the retards in the small cars they crash with. The point of the game is to make sure that YOU walk away, YOUR family walks away, and YOUR loved ones aren't being carried away in body bags.

You owe nothing to these Liberal goat fucking fags who think it's your duty to lower your safety preparation so they can feel safe with their backwards ass phone using retarded fucked up driving skills.

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>>17604444
No one is telling OP to get a smart car.
context > you
It was an example in an argument for the retards who said only big vehicles are safe and you'll always die in a crash with a small car> The Smart was chosen because it's one logical extreme. An extremely well engineered and built teeny tiny car.
OP would be perfectly fine in the Toyota Echo we were actually pushing for before the retards came in with "You need a car the size of a battleship to be safe" which is not true.
Is there some validity to the theory that bigger cars with more mass are safer? Yes.
Is it the end all be all? Fuck no. There are PLENTY of safe small cars that hold their own against cars 3 times their size/mass.

>>17604466
>these Liberal goat fucking fags who think it's your duty to lower your safety preparation
My first car was a big W-body coupe like the one retard who started the big vs small argument recommended. They're VERY safe cars.
Do I feel safe in big cars? generally yes.
Do I feel safe in big trucks/SUVs? Fuck no. It always feels like it's going to tip over regardless of whether it's a Suzuki Samurai or a Ford F150.
Do I feel safe in small cars? depends on the car. The newer the car, the safer it feels to me.

But your feeling of security has no real bearing on how safe you ACTUALLY are. which is also a point.

Arguing safety is fucking stupid anyways unless it's a major concern for someone. OP didn't even mention it until that one retard chimed in. We're auto enthusiasts. Driving dangerous cars because they're fun to drive is par for the course.

>>17604546
I think the guy said big car because OP has never had his own car yet and is likely a newbie driver.

>>17601986
>i live in Canada so all europeans cars are non-existant here.
What the fuck are you even talking about

>>17604331
noted!

>>17604631
i was talking about peugeots, renaults, skoda, citroen and so on. you get it now?

>>17604707
So you're conveniently ignoring FIAT, Merc, BMW, VW, Ferrari and all the other ones?
>you get it now?
I guess.

ive had my license since march and ive been driving since approx. 5 months. i just need recommandations and help from you guys. not a semi truck VS a european VW. if you guys want to argue between big and small cars. make another thread please.

>>17604716
not at all. i dont think you get the point of my reply.

>>17604725
before the retards got involved we recommended the Toyota Echo. We still stick to that recommendation

>>17604735
thank you

>>17604760
Toyota Echo is a car with no power, man. I would go with something a little more interesting.

Get the Impala, you won't regret it, it has seating for 6 people if you go with the column shifter. Bench seats up front are extremely rare to have, it's something special. An Echo is a shit. Not worth $1500.

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>>17604789
>I would go with something a little more interesting.
hear you were talking shit like I wouldn't find out

>>17604794
I've driven the Echo m8, it's a terrible car. No passing power, small wheels, hella noisy, car wobbles at highway speeds, the plastic bumper pieces shudder at highway speeds, and it's tiny, definitely not a car for four people.

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>>17604807
it has aftermarket to fix all that. I know the Impala. The only aftermarket it has is for the engine, nevermind the transmission that shits itself

A Supercharger and JUN cams change the 1NZ-FE. upgraded suspension changes the wobble. Wheels are usually the first mod anyone does, and the rest can be fixed by applying more sound deadening material like dynamat.

>Definitely not a car for four people
good.

>>17604816
This guys budget is $1500 MAX. Do you think he wants to spend time taking apart his fucking doors to add fucking sound deadening?

Fucking troll.

>>17604842
over time you fucking moron. find a good Impala in beaver-fucker-land for that price that isn't rusty or doesn't have a dying tranny.
You can easily find an decent Echo at that price
Fucking troll.

>>17602356
Or save that rice money and get a better car.

>>17604858
right. something that doesn't have an interior rejected by Fisher Price.

>>17604854
>beaver-fucker-land
i love my thread

>>17604864
>>17604854
He wants you to waste your life away toiling on a fucking Toyota Echo. Echoes are what you'll. e hearing when you show up to college with a fucking Echo. Echoes of your buds fucking grade A pussy while you weep in your car from the parking lot.

Get an Echo and consider yourself an actual cuck. Like this faggot over here is apparently.

>>17604870
this shit is fucking gold

>>17604870
If you need a car to get pussy, you can't get a woman anyways. Stay beta, cuck.

Buy a '98-'02 Corolla.
Almost every nigger in Rexdale drives one of those - I feel like royalty when I drive my '05 in their presence.